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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: The Terror on June 21, 2016, 04:42:29 PM
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So the referendum is on Thursday, and I'm still undecided on whether to vote to remain in the EU or leave.
If you are British, how are you going to vote?
If you are in the EU, are you going to seek vengeance if we do leave?
If you are American, are you really going to turn your back on your old comrades from such conflicts as Afghanistan and Iraq, and refuse to trade with us?
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America cares about this?
Huh... didn't know we had a stance. Figured we don't give a shit.
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Obama said he wanted the UK to stay in the EU and we would be "at the back of the queue" for a trade deal if we left. There was some suspicion that he was reading from a script since apparently Americans don't use the word queue?
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Americans say "line" not "queue." He was most definitely reading off a script. Obama's entire life is a script.
In any case, what happens to the UK after the vote somewhat depends on what happens in the US. If the UK decides for "stay" (globalism) and the US votes for Trump (Nationalism) then that would hurt you. If the UK votes "leave" and the US votes Trump then that would help. Contrarily, if the UK votes "leave" and the US votes in a globalist like Hillary she would most definitely punish you as much as she possibly can. Keep in mind when the EU says the UK will regret leaving, they're not just saying the UK will simply suffer economically; they're threatening the UK with economic suffering. The EU will try to punish the UK if they vote to leave, so be prepared for that.
This vote will change the course of Europe and the US. It's just as big, or possibly bigger, than the US presidential election. I'm very anxious as to what the outcome will be.
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I'm planning on voting 'Remain' with all the enthusiasm of doing the dishes - something that needs to be done because my world will be marginally worse if I don't.
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I’m in. With the rise of neo-fascism across the globe (Le-pen, Trump, Putin) we need a united Europe and you can’t fix an institution from the outside. Plus Stephen Hawkings says in, and if it’s good enough for Davros, it’s good enough for me.
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I think the EU in its current state is a total disaster. It has no business acting like a federation and should be preserved for economic benefits and nothing more. Brexit might hurt Britain in the short term, but I think it will be better for Europe as a whole in the long term. EU needs to be restructured entirely and Brexit might just be the catalyst to make that happen.
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I think the EU in its current state is a total disaster. It has no business acting like a federation and should be preserved for economic benefits and nothing more. Brexit might hurt Britain in the short term, but I think it will be better for Europe as a whole in the long term. EU needs to be restructured entirely and Brexit might just be the catalyst to make that happen.
Agreed.
I support Britain (and other countries, including my future home of the Netherlands) leaving the EU and remaining in the EEA for the trade benefits. There is no reason for there to be a level of government above national, let alone the cancerous one currently in Brussels.
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I’m in. With the rise of neo-fascism across the globe (Le-pen, Trump, Putin) we need a united Europe and you can’t fix an institution from the outside. Plus Stephen Hawkings says in, and if it’s good enough for Davros, it’s good enough for me.
Why would you let a physicist specializing in relativity determine your political stance?
Edit: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesola/2016/06/22/brexit-poll-shows-80-of-americans-think-britain-should-leave-eu/#23afee9062b6
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I’m in. With the rise of neo-fascism across the globe (Le-pen, Trump, Putin) we need a united Europe and you can’t fix an institution from the outside. Plus Stephen Hawkings says in, and if it’s good enough for Davros, it’s good enough for me.
Why would you let a physicist specializing in relativity determine your political stance?
Edit: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesola/2016/06/22/brexit-poll-shows-80-of-americans-think-britain-should-leave-eu/#23afee9062b6
Voted! In.
He doesn't determine my stance, he validates it by coming to the same conclusions and as he reminds me of Wall-e he gives me a warm feeling when he speaks.
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I finally decided to vote remain. I don't trust the conservatives to sort through all the legal ramifications for workers, they'd probably find some way to bring back serfdom.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Exciting times ahead, first sets of results should start rolling in in about an hour
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The pound is -7%
Market volatility is now twice as high as the 2008 housing crash.
Asian markets -5%
DOW futures market -2%
NASDAQ -3%
Banks (e.g. HSBC) are in freefall, HSBC currently at -10%!
Leave campaign currently at 51.5%. The markets are going ballistic. This is amazing.
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Remain has some serious catching up to do if this result is going to swing away from Leave.
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Leave is now leading by more votes than it requires to win. It's happening!
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Leave has won. The UK will soon become a non-member of the EU. Rule Brittania!
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Holy economic collapse, Batman
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Bastard! There goes the neighbourhood.
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Oh and David Cameron resigned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-results-live-brexit-wins-as-britain-votes-to-leave/
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Boris as PM in 3... 2... 1...
(I hope not)
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They should ask Trump whose the best pick.
Trump knows people. The best people.
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Even Crudblud couldn't contain his enthusiasm for the result.
<Parsidroid> Leave has won
<Parsidroid> Fuck yeah
* Crudblud has quit ("Leaving")
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(https://i.sli.mg/DJRxYy.png)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY
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Shit! It's crumbling fast. Cameron gone (well actually that's good), the Scots invoking the right to vote again for independence, The Northern Irish looking to the south again as a way back in. All the neo-facist's on the continent wanting their vote, so Europe fractures, nationalism takes over, every man for himself.
Trumps in Scotland mouthing off, not realising that Scotland wanted to remain (Hope they chop the fucker up and throw him in a bog) and I couldn't get a veggie somosa from the cob (type of sandwich) Van for the first time ever, Fuck!
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Also, Corbyn might be facing a motion of no confidence.
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Bastard! There goes the neighbourhood.
Why? It's not like a black person is taking over Britain.
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Also, Corbyn might be facing a motion of no confidence.
Labour MPs are idiots. They've clearly lost touch with their working class supporters, judging by the last election and this referendum. And now they're trying to get rid of a leader who seems to have reached these alienated supporters and won a landslide victory in the leadership contest.
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Don't you just love this shit!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36624697
America take note! Dumb people have voted and changed the whole game, I have had 3 people that voted us out of the EU come up to me today (after doing it for vaguely racist, puffed up, it will make the UK great again load of bollocks reasoning, ring any bells?) and say I didn't think this would happen, I suppose we will get a good deal with the EU now! I didn't hit them, but I did point out that the EU cannot afford to let us succeed on the grounds if those in, see us prosper.....? Two of them said (I kid you not) I hadn't thought of that, at that point I told one he was a fuckwit (the other was my boss).
If you are thinking of registering a protest vote cos' you are annoyed at politicians and you really don't know what the fuck you are on about, please watch what happens in the coming months and think, will this knob make things better.
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I dunno why people take what Farage says seriously anyway. He's in no position to make any promises. He's not in the government, he's not even an MP.
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Don't you just love this shit!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36624697
America take note! Dumb people have voted and changed the whole game, I have had 3 people that voted us out of the EU come up to me today (after doing it for vaguely racist, puffed up, it will make the UK great again load of bollocks reasoning, ring any bells?) and say I didn't think this would happen, I suppose we will get a good deal with the EU now! I didn't hit them, but I did point out that the EU cannot afford to let us succeed on the grounds if those in, see us prosper.....? Two of them said (I kid you not) I hadn't thought of that, at that point I told one he was a fuckwit (the other was my boss).
If you are thinking of registering a protest vote cos' you are annoyed at politicians and you really don't know what the fuck you are on about, please watch what happens in the coming months and think, will this knob make things better.
What didn't they think would happen? That the UK pound would fall?
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Everyone expected the pound to fall, it's just blatant fearmongering to not expect it to recover. It's already back to where it was at March of this year.
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The market is overreacting and the pound remains fundamentally unchanged. Europe, Asia, and America have to trade with the UK, and to trade with the UK you have to use the Pound. The Pound will rebound when the market stops freaking out like a bunch of schoolchildren. If anything, the Pound will now slowly gain value over time. It has never in the history of the UK been worth more than it was when the UK joined the EU in the first place. The EU has been devaluing the Pound, not Brexit.
Stop letting the EU's fear tactics riddle your head with economic lies.
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Labour MPs are idiots. They've clearly lost touch with their working class supporters, judging by the last election and this referendum. And now they're trying to get rid of a leader who seems to have reached these alienated supporters and won a landslide victory in the leadership contest.
Eh, it goes both ways. Many "common" Labour supporters are very upset about how little Corbyn did to support the Remain campaign (I mean, Cameron really shouldn't have been the face of Remain - Labour was the obvious choice). If he survives a leadership contest, fair enough, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he got ousted.
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Labour MPs are idiots. They've clearly lost touch with their working class supporters, judging by the last election and this referendum. And now they're trying to get rid of a leader who seems to have reached these alienated supporters and won a landslide victory in the leadership contest.
Eh, it goes both ways. Many "common" Labour supporters are very upset about how little Corbyn did to support the Remain campaign (I mean, Cameron really shouldn't have been the face of Remain - Labour was the obvious choice). If he survives a leadership contest, fair enough, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he got ousted.
I don't think he could though, it's pretty obvious that he's not a big fan of the EU and saw the vote to Remain as the best of two bad options. He seems a pretty honest guy, so I don't think he could have effectively led the Remain campaign without fully supporting it. The Blairites will take any opportunity to try to get rid of him anyway.
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he's not a big fan of the EU
That's my suspicion, too. But that makes him pretty much the opposite of what the Labour electorate wants. Ergo, a leadership challenge. Regardless of whether or not he's a good politician, he's not a Labour politician - he's some sort of socialist-protectionist who should probably join TUSC.
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he's not a big fan of the EU
That's my suspicion, too. But that makes him pretty much the opposite of what the Labour electorate wants. Ergo, a leadership challenge. Regardless of whether or not he's a good politician, he's not a Labour politician - he's some sort of socialist-protectionist who should probably join TUSC.
The problem is the Labour electorate is split. I know plenty of Labour supporters who voted to Leave - I live in the North East which voted 58% leave, and which is generally a Labour stronghold. But you also have London, also a Labour stronghold which voted heavily to remain. Corbyn couldn't satisfy both sides, so maybe keeping a relatively low profile was the way to go.
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Perhaps. I should point out that I'm not a fan of Labour (at least not Corbyn's Labour), so I may well be missing on some nuance. Nonetheless, it seems understandable to me that some people would be super-pissed and would want to oust Corbyn. Perhaps a new leader is exactly what's needed to reunite the party?
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I'm hoping you Brits will regain some of the freedoms you lost over the years now that you departed from the EU.
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I'm hoping you Brits will regain some of the freedoms you lost over the years now that you departed from the EU.
I doubt it, given how much of their nanny-statism is self-imposed.
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I'm hoping you Brits will regain some of the freedoms you lost over the years now that you departed from the EU.
Fun fact: the driving force for people voting to leave was due to wanting RESTRICTIONS in their country, not more.
Specifically the freedom of EU citizens to live and work in any country. 52% of Britans feel this is a problem. (Foreigners taking their jobs) and want to block that.
The main focus wasn't freedom from EU rules in general, just the immigration policy.
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Fun fact: the driving force for people voting to leave was due to wanting LESS freedom in their country, not more.
Specifically the freedom of EU citizens to live and work in any country. 52% of Britans hate that.
Go and read about what the EU actually is. Then come back and edit that post.
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Dave is in Norway, so naturally he has no idea what the EU even is.
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Fun fact: the driving force for people voting to leave was due to wanting LESS freedom in their country, not more.
Specifically the freedom of EU citizens to live and work in any country. 52% of Britans hate that.
Go and read about what the EU actually is. Then come back and edit that post.
That's the reasons I've been told via my UK friends.
As far as I know, the EU is a common set of trade and economic laws as well as a currency linking member states. Movement between member states no more difficult than moving from state to state in the US.
However, I will go read and edit accordingly.
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I have read. I made an edit but the general point is accurate.
Britians issue with the EU rules has is primarily the immigration policy. Yes they are now free to set their own rules on everything but from what I understand, the EU rules weren't an issue asside from immigration.
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I have read. I made an edit but the general point is accurate.
Britians issue with the EU rules has is primarily the immigration policy.
The Leave campaign's main point was that the EU is an overbearing federalist entity that frankly shouldn't exist at all. The EU is pushing Europe more and more towards a federal-state interaction similar to the United States. They increasingly treat Europe as one single entity moving forward rather than a collection of countries that each have extremely different expectations.
Movement between member states no more difficult than moving from state to state in the US.
That is the Schengen Agreement treaty, not the EU.
Fun fact: the driving force for people voting to leave was due to wanting RESTRICTIONS in their country, not more.
Specifically the freedom of EU citizens to live and work in any country. 52% of Britans feel this is a problem. (Foreigners taking their jobs) and want to block that.
The free movement of people and goods is set by the EEA, not the EU.
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I have read. I made an edit but the general point is accurate.
Britians issue with the EU rules has is primarily the immigration policy.
The Leave campaign's main point was that the EU is an overbearing federalist entity that frankly shouldn't exist at all. The EU is pushing Europe more and more towards a federal-state interaction similar to the United States. They increasingly treat Europe as one single entity moving forward rather than a collection of countries that each have extremely different expectations.
Movement between member states no more difficult than moving from state to state in the US.
That is the Schengen Agreement treaty, not the EU.
Fun fact: the driving force for people voting to leave was due to wanting RESTRICTIONS in their country, not more.
Specifically the freedom of EU citizens to live and work in any country. 52% of Britans feel this is a problem. (Foreigners taking their jobs) and want to block that.
The free movement of people and goods is set by the EEA, not the EU.
Thank you for the corrction
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Norway did a pretty great job of signing up for all of the Euro benefits without dealing with the EU's nonsense. That is, at a basic level, what the UK wants to do as well.
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I'm hoping you Brits will regain some of the freedoms you lost over the years now that you departed from the EU.
I doubt it, given how much of their nanny-statism is self-imposed.
Then it would be a huge waste then to leave in the first place other than their pound is going up.
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I've got my flag of Wangland all ready to go.
(http://i.imgur.com/qqMJWYym.png) (http://i.imgur.com/qqMJWYy.png)
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The "Brexit" referendum is unbinding. That is, it has no legal value.
If it really had any value at all, then the next day the British government would have sent the necessary documents pertaining to Article 50 (Treaty of Lisbon).
No Article 50, no exit at all.
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
Knowing these things full well, Cameron stated this back in February:
Then there is the legality. I want to spell out this point very carefully. If the British people vote to leave there is only one way to bring that about – and that is to trigger Article 50 of the Treaties and begin the process of exit.
And the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away.
Let me be absolutely clear how this works. It triggers a 2-year time period to negotiate the arrangements for exit.
At the end of this period, if no agreement is in place then exit is automatic unless every 1 of the 27 other EU member states agrees to a delay.
"would rightly expect" = actually never
But last week Cameron said this:
A negotiation with the European Union will need to begin under a new Prime Minister, and I think it is right that this new Prime Minister takes the decision about when to trigger Article 50 and start the formal and legal process of leaving the EU.
Article 50 will be dealt with sometime in the next months, by the new Prime Minister (it is noted that none of the possible successors are in any hurry to say anything about Article 50).
(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images5/EUnovote.jpg)
The EU is a Vatican project designed to accomplish two things.
1. To create a stimulus trap (money going to banks, no austerity there, while starving those areas of the economy which would have brought about prosperity and jobs)
2. To unleash on the protestant northern nations the african/middle eastern immigration wave
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3 of the 4 milkmen of the apocalypse! Spotted in rural Britain.
(http://toysaregoodfood.com/content/storypix/milkmen.jpg)
Corbyn has released his new cabinet, it contains 4 lego figures and a wooden spoon with a face painted on it.
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Fun fact: the driving force for people voting to leave was due to wanting LESS freedom in their country, not more.
Specifically the freedom of EU citizens to live and work in any country. 52% of Britans hate that.
Go and read about what the EU actually is. Then come back and edit that post.
No, unfortunately Dave is right. People voted Leave because they wanted to get rid of freedom of movement. The fact that that's an absolutely retarded reason to vote Leave changes very little about the fact that it still happened.
However, your advice still has some merit. Those voters should go and read about what the EU actually is, and then edit their position. Many already have, and the numbers seem to be increasing, at least among high-profile voters and campaigners.
Also, the pound keeps plummeting and now we're all some 20% poorer than last week. Woop de doo.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-vote-leave-wipes-nhs-350m-claim-and-rest-of-its-website-after-eu-referendum-a7105546.html
Fucking lol
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It's nice to know that you guys have such well informed voters making important decisions:
Brits Scramble to Google “What is the EU?” Hours After Voting to Leave It
Now they want to know about it.
A bit late, don’t you think? A report from Google shows the British are madly searching to figure out what the European Union is.
According to Google, “What is the EU?” is the second most searched term about the EU since the announcement of the historic Brexit referendum this morning. Oh, and in the hours prior to the vote, Google says one of the top questions was “What is Brexit?”
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I live amongst the dead! Pintrest & twitter junkies, Kardasians, cats & cakes, I had one person say to me it was a victory for the working man (?) and when I asked them if they thought Gove or Johnson knew or cared anything about the working man they said who's Gove! I'm moving to Iceland.
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'It doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes.'
The leave vote was much higher than officially reported: more than 70%.
"The difference between 52 and 51
As votes were being "counted" the published results were of the same type as the final result: 51 and two decimals.
If you round the LEAVE official results you get 52%, but the two digits that human perceivers are 51%, the rounding you get by simply ignoring the decimals.
And that is NOT a detail, because 51 not 52 is the number fulfilling this line in script: "LEAVE wins as close to 50-50 as it gets".
The next "decision" act, another referendum to silence once for all the 3 out of 4 britons who want to leave the EU, started minutes after the "results" were announced
Example, served as illuminati joke by using the words vote and count: "BREXIT: LEAVE VOTERS REGRETFUL, WISH THEY'D VOTED REMAIN. Among the reasons for regret: "I didn't think my vote would count.".
Isn’t is interesting to see how virtually every highly controversial poll or vote or referendum stacks up in such a way that the odds hover close to 50/50 either way?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-rigged_uk_57691efee4b01fb65864173f
Trick to falsify "elections" at will relies on two stages for simulated reality:
1. mass media
2, political parties and in the case of a referendum: additionally the leaders of the two camps.
Trick as simple as this:
- prevent anyone on stage to question to what lengths polls and published results are manufactured
- prevent verification of "results", starting with the people counting votes at each ballot box. In other words: conceal results for each ballot box.
Trick in two steps
1, have the media publish polls according to the script,
2. publish only the aggregated "results", alias what was in script.
BREXIT Reality: not too close to calll but more than 70% votes to LEAVE the EU
The script "LEAVE wins as close to 50-50 as it gets" is a psy-op.
The cast includes the media, the leaders of the two camps and a third stage where numbers are produced at will: financial markets.
The same goes for the leaders of both camps in a referendum, the ones who validate the fake aggregate results.
In other words: mass media and political parties are totally controlled same as the "financial markets".
These three entity types generate numbers at will: from polls to election results, from exchange rates to credit ratings and corporate earnings, from BIG Pharma to BIG Banks.
In the Brexit script the "financial markets" are used
- first to have people swallow the LEAVE victory with the fakke 51% instead of the real 75%.
- later to justify reverting the LEAVE decision ,in the coming second "referendum".
Repeat the referendum to have this time Britain "return" to the EU.
Setting the stage for this step will start immediatelu after the simulated LEAVE and the "markets reaction" will again be part of it.
The illuminati actors playing "far-right "anti-EU leaders" (Farage & Co) will play the same suicide bomber role as "leftists" Maduro in Venezuela. or Tsipras in Greece: create "echomich chaos"."
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I like how levee spouts these conspiracy theories off to people who either ARE british or KNOW british people who say exactly what he says isn't true.
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Dave... we've been over this several times.
Ikke svare på ham.
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Fun fact: the driving force for people voting to leave was due to wanting LESS freedom in their country, not more.
Specifically the freedom of EU citizens to live and work in any country. 52% of Britans hate that.
Go and read about what the EU actually is. Then come back and edit that post.
No, unfortunately Dave is right. People voted Leave because they wanted to get rid of freedom of movement. The fact that that's an absolutely retarded reason to vote Leave changes very little about the fact that it still happened.
However, your advice still has some merit. Those voters should go and read about what the EU actually is, and then edit their position. Many already have, and the numbers seem to be increasing, at least among high-profile voters and campaigners.
Also, the pound keeps plummeting and now we're all some 20% poorer than last week. Woop de doo.
I have to disagree with you. The immigration is destroying Britain, especially since they are unvetted.
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Dave... we've been over this several times.
Ikke svare på ham.
I was responding about him, not to him. :P
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I have to disagree with you. The immigration is destroying Britain, especially since they are unvetted.
Thanks for making my point for me. Leaving the EU does nothing to immigration, and yet here you are rambling about it. It's exactly this sort of misinformation that placed us in this conundrum in the first place.
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Immigration isn't destroying Britain, it's changing Britain and people are fearful of change. Like sexy says, bailing out of the EU will make little difference, the fruit and veg' growers are saying that without them we won't get the harvest as local don't want the work. The royal economic society says from 2004-2011 migrants from the EU added almost £5bn more to the economy than they received, of course there are problems but wrecking the pound doesn't seem a sane way of sorting it.
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The economic panic that ensued after brexit has been close to completely erased. The pound is almost back to where it was pre-brexit. I knew the repercussions would be short term but I didn't think it'd only last two days. Wall Street's short memory has hit goldfish levels.
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The economic panic that ensued after brexit has been close to completely erased. The pound is almost back to where it was pre-brexit. I knew the repercussions would be short term but I didn't think it'd only last two days. Wall Street's short memory has hit goldfish levels.
Uuuhhh...
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W
Is it?
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The economic panic that ensued after brexit has been close to completely erased. The pound is almost back to where it was pre-brexit. I knew the repercussions would be short term but I didn't think it'd only last two days. Wall Street's short memory has hit goldfish levels.
Uuuhhh...
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W
Is it?
The pound spiked just before brexit giving a false sense that the loss is greater. At 1.30-1.40 USD the pound is back on the trend line. The pound has been losing value ever since Britain joined the EU. Having it stay on an inflation trend isn't good, but it isn't any different from Remain winning.
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The economic panic that ensued after brexit has been close to completely erased. The pound is almost back to where it was pre-brexit. I knew the repercussions would be short term but I didn't think it'd only last two days. Wall Street's short memory has hit goldfish levels.
Uuuhhh...
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W (http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W)
Is it?
The pound spiked just before brexit giving a false sense that the loss is greater. At 1.30-1.40 USD the pound is back on the trend line. The pound has been losing value ever since Britain joined the EU. Having it stay on an inflation trend isn't good, but it isn't any different from Remain winning.
It's still a little low but yeah, I see what you're saying.
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I think this video would shed some light on the Brexit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y
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This is what seems from Turkey to UK.
British people voted the true.
United Europe idea actually depends on the mantality of "United States". If we will be strong like USA if we be a united states of Europe. But its not worked. The
nation-states did not disappeared, and one nation did not lead out.
This project is not worked except German's be lead the Europe and exploit others like colonial. on the other hand, dictator Erdoghan filling the Syrians to Europe and Ms Merkel strongly supporting this dictator. There is terrorism risk in everywhere on the Europe owing to Merkel's sympathy of dictatorship. Actually i don't understand how Germans choose this brainless woman as a leader but UK doesn't need to join this absurdity.
Congratulations to intelligent British.
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The economic panic that ensued after brexit has been close to completely erased. The pound is almost back to where it was pre-brexit. I knew the repercussions would be short term but I didn't think it'd only last two days. Wall Street's short memory has hit goldfish levels.
It's been halted by the numerous suggestions that the referendum may simply be ignored or the result otherwise blocked. It's a lose-lose scenario, since shit will likely hit the fan again once one of the two cans of worms is reopened.
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The economic panic that ensued after brexit has been close to completely erased. The pound is almost back to where it was pre-brexit. I knew the repercussions would be short term but I didn't think it'd only last two days. Wall Street's short memory has hit goldfish levels.
It's been halted by the numerous suggestions that the referendum may simply be ignored or the result otherwise blocked. It's a lose-lose scenario, since shit will likely hit the fan again once one of the two cans of worms is reopened.
Maybe they'll take a mulligan and have a referendum on the referendum
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Maybe they'll take a mulligan and have a referendum on the referendum
While this is still a very unlikely outcome, it does seem like pretty much everyone in charge is trying to pull something along those lines off.
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It's been halted by the numerous suggestions that the referendum may simply be ignored or the result otherwise blocked. It's a lose-lose scenario, since shit will likely hit the fan again once one of the two cans of worms is reopened.
I read a few headlines that said Parliament confirmed the referendum would be honored. If the next PM ignores the outcome all together, that would be extremely disturbing. A mockery of democracy.
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They could hold a revote in 6 months. Might be a very different outcome, given some of the reactions some who voted leave had.
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They could hole a revote in 6 months. Might be a very different outcome, given some of the reactions some who voted leave had.
You know I thought Levee was just being crazy Levee again when he claimed they'll just vote over and over again until remain wins.
(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images5/EUnovote.jpg)
I guess I'm the crazy one now, har har.
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They could hole a revote in 6 months. Might be a very different outcome, given some of the reactions some who voted leave had.
You know I thought Levee was just being crazy Levee again when he claimed they'll just vote over and over again until remain wins.
(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images5/EUnovote.jpg)
I guess I'm the crazy one now, har har.
Honestly, given what I've heard anecdotally about how some people reacted to their vote winning, (and from people I trust, not facebook) I really wouldn't be surprised if there is a call for it by alot of people who voted leave.
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It's been halted by the numerous suggestions that the referendum may simply be ignored or the result otherwise blocked. It's a lose-lose scenario, since shit will likely hit the fan again once one of the two cans of worms is reopened.
I read a few headlines that said Parliament confirmed the referendum would be honored. If the next PM ignores the outcome all together, that would be extremely disturbing. A mockery of democracy.
Parliament hasn't confirmed anything. It is the common opinion that the vote must be respected, but no one actually wants to go ahead and start putting it in motion. Legally, it needs to go to a vote*, which it hasn't yet, and the majority of MPs support Remain. I agree that it would be super-controversial if they blocked it, but it's very much a possibility. That's what I meant by "two cans of worms" - either we fuck ourselves up by actually going the Brexit route, or we fuck ourselves up by going the Remain route and dealing with the unrest that follows.
If the next PM is Theresa May, as is looking more and more likely, I wouldn't be surprised if she deferred the issue by calling a general election - in which case it would all be up in the air. The Liberal Democrats (not a party many take seriously these days, but still one of the bigger parties out there) have already pledged to ignore the referendum result if they happened to win. If Jeremy Corbyn is ousted, it's not entirely unlikely that Labour might do the same.
* - that claim is disputed, but the majority of experts seem to agree. Then again, this country has had enough of experts!!1!
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Meanwhile, Nigel Farage joins the Brexiteers' exit from mainstream politics. Literally none of them want to touch the shit they've created.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468
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Whenever the next election is, almost every leader will be new. The Conservatives, the Lib Dems, the Greens, and now UKIP have all seen their leaders stand down, it's looking increasingly likely that Labour will go the same way. If Scotland leaves, and Ulster goes back to Eire then the only major party with the same leader will be Plaid Cymru.
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And now the OnePlus 3's price is about to go up by £20 to reflect the plummeting value of the pound. This is what happens when we let backwater Northerners and Thork make the decisions.
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What the fuck is going on over there? Is Nigel Farage actually the biggest coward in the history of politics? Who devotes almost 2 decades to a cause and then backs off just when victory is at hand because now it's too tiring?
I was totally dumbfounded by his announcement, especially after his ultra-defiant and gloating speech to the EU. How are his supporters, in the party and on the street, reacting to this shitticane?
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Farage hasn't really got a role to play now. The Brexit will be negotiated by the Conservatives, they're obviously not going to involve him in the process. UKIP got what they wanted and they were starting to turn against him anyway. They'll probably turn to their next priority, stopping gay marriages from causing flooding.
Farage achieved what he set out to do, so why not step back and take a break.
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What the fuck is going on over there? Is Nigel Farage actually the biggest coward in the history of politics? Who devotes almost 2 decades to a cause and then backs off just when victory is at hand because now it's too tiring?
Remember: the Leave campaign never wanted to win. It was meant to be a political stunt that would elevate them to positions of power. "Victory" is the worst possible outcome to them, so they're all quitting before they start getting flak for potentially fucking over the country.
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What the fuck is going on over there? Is Nigel Farage actually the biggest coward in the history of politics? Who devotes almost 2 decades to a cause and then backs off just when victory is at hand because now it's too tiring?
I was totally dumbfounded by his announcement, especially after his ultra-defiant and gloating speech to the EU. How are his supporters, in the party and on the street, reacting to this shitticane?
He is still an MEP, he just isn't the leader of UKIP any more.
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No, unfortunately Dave is right. People voted Leave because they wanted to get rid of freedom of movement.
I'm sure some of them did. I'm equally sure 52% of Brits didn't.
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No, unfortunately Dave is right. People voted Leave because they wanted to get rid of freedom of movement.
I'm sure some of them did. I'm equally sure 52% of Brits didn't.
True.
Some voted as protest of government.
Some voted because they had no idea what it was.
Some voted out of nationalism.
Some voted because they think its better.
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I'm sure some of them did. I'm equally sure 52% of Brits didn't.
Correct, given that far fewer than 52% of Brits voted Leave we can readily assume that 52% of Brits didn't vote Leave for <reason x>. However, if we drop the cooltrolling for a moment, the reasons for people voting the way they did are fairly well-documented and public.
If your only response to that is "well I'm sure *someone* didn't do the thing", then I don't know what to tell you other than that your argument is not useful to anyone. It's especially useless given the context in which I wrote this post.
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Well we have just made a man that calls Africans "piccaninnies" and recited a limerick about the Turkish prime-minister fucking goats (in all honesty something similar not unknown in his own peer group) as our top diplomat.
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2016/06/149630674.jpg&w=1484)
WTFF !
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Don't underestimate Johnson. Underneath the façade of buffoonery, he's actually a very sharp, very cunning, and very nasty bully of a man.
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Don’t mistake me here, oh ghostly one! I have no illusions as to the self-serving cunning of the man, but in respect to this thread the UK’s ability to make a rational decision, re dealings with the rest of the world/venal populists, must have sunk almost as low as the USA.
Everyone would love an Uncle with Tourette’s, but not a receptionist.
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pasta!
TRIDENT is useless apart from making the Labour party look like pacifist weirdoes, one of Britain’s top generals has warned.
Experts increasingly believe the missile system has no value against conventional forces or terrorism but is 100 per cent deadly when directed at Labour’s electoral chances.
General Sir Norman Steele said: “All the Tories need to do is raise the issue then sit back and watch the devastation as Labour tries to be anti-nuclear, pro-nuclear and incredibly patriotic at the same time.
“As Labour starts arguing viciously with itself there’s likely to be an anti-Trident demonstration full of aggressive protesters and dreadful juggling hippies who instantly alienate normal people.
“Meanwhile, some Labour MPs will decide to support Trident because it’s the only way to appeal to moron voters who fantasise about nuking ISIS. They just end up sounding like shifty liars.”
He added: “It’s all a bit unfair really because everyone knows Trident is a huge waste of money. I’m only allowed to say it without being called unpatriotic because I used to shoot people with a tank.”
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Perhaps we need a general UK politics thread? This seems to be drifting further and further away from Brexit.
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What is the current state of Brexit? Seems to have quieted a bit.
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Officially, it's definitely happening, but there's no need to rush it. The government would rather take it slowly and get it right. The current plan is to invoke the process by the end of the year. Some speculate that this may turn into an endless procrastination, but it's way too early to be confident either way.
Personally, I agree with CGP Grey's guesses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3_I2rfApYk