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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: Earthisround on February 03, 2016, 03:13:30 PM
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I personally find this flat earth hypothesis ridiculous and stupid, but I do have one question I would like answered.
In your FAQ, you state that gravity doesn't exist, rather what we feel is the force of the earth accelerating at a rate of 32ft/second squared. This does not make sense at all, because if the earth is moving against the air in the atmosphere, how is it that the air does not escape into space? Air is a gas, which means that it expands to fill its container. If the earth is pushing against the air, then it would get compressed and spread to the sides. Since there is no gravity, the air is not held in and it would escape into space. Explain this please.
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I personally find this flat earth hypothesis ridiculous and stupid, but I do have one question I would like answered.
If you find the flat earth theory stupid why are you asking such stupid questions?
Maybe someone on this forum will be stupid enough to answer your stupid question.
At start all hypothesis that change our whole perception of the reality sound as madness so it's not that stupid to ask questions to transform that aparent madness into something possible, this RE'er may not be polite but developing new knowledge nowadays is about finding truth our of what seems madness, so plese, do not evade the topic, since your coment doesn't belong to the matter discussed it's most likely to be spam.
From my point of view the UA is not real, and clearly the notion of gravity is a better explanation for many more fenomena, so you may be right assuming that it's nonsense; also, FE'ers should be reminded that the use of Occam's Razor to justify FE model is wrong, the notions of gravity make matters much simpler, and others much difficult but since Occam's Razor doesn't really say that the simplest theorie is the true one we have to consider gravity notions true since they give a much better explanation to most of fenomena.
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No UAFE has ever managed to explain how the atmosphere is held together while the Earth is moving upwards.
Nor can they explain the CAUSE or the FORCE driving the UA accelerator: they have to resort, of all things, to a round earth concept, dark energy (which doesn't even exist).
But the FE is absolutely stationary, while the atmosphere is being held by a dome (aether barrier/shield).
Nor can the RE or the UAFE explain the barometer pressure paradox, one of the most devastating arguments against attractive gravitation or the UA accelerator.
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I personally find this flat earth hypothesis ridiculous and stupid, but I do have one question I would like answered.
If you find the flat earth theory stupid why are you asking such stupid questions?
Maybe someone on this forum will be stupid enough to answer your stupid question.
WOW. Just a typical flat earther, blatantly ignoring science and insulting someone for asking a perfectly logical question which is not answered by your Wiki or FAQ page. Not to mention, how you just deviate the subject and not have to answer what would obviously poke a gaping hole in his atom-thin balloon of a theory.
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No UAFE has ever managed to explain how the atmosphere is held together while the Earth is moving upwards.
Nor can they explain the CAUSE or the FORCE driving the UA accelerator: they have to resort, of all things, to a round earth concept, dark energy (which doesn't even exist).
But the FE is absolutely stationary, while the atmosphere is being held by a dome (aether barrier/shield).
Nor can the RE or the UAFE explain the barometer pressure paradox, one of the most devastating arguments against attractive gravitation or the UA accelerator.
Firstly, what is the UAFE? Nothing came up on the internet when I searched it. Secondly, RE does explain an answer to my question, which is gravity, a fundamental force of the universe and it holds the air at the pressure it is on the surface of the earth. The Wiki and the FAQ contain no information on a dome, so it seems like you FEers are just inventing this dome as a way to simply explain what your flawed hypothesis cannot.
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BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX
"It has been known now for two and a half centuries, that there are more or less daily variations in the height of the barometer, culminating in two maxima and two minima during the course of 24 hours. The same observation has been made and puzzled over at every station at which pressure records were kept and studied, but without success in finding for it the complete physical explanation."
First, the correct station pressure data as it is measured all around the world.
First reference.
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA:
The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall in due to the heating from the sun. Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m. The magnitude of the daily cycle is greatest near the equator decreasing toward the poles.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/yos/resource/JetStream/atmos/pressure.htm
Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m.
Second reference.
GRAPHS SHOWING THE DAILY SEMIDIURNAL BAROMETRIC PRESSURE CHANGES AT 10:00 AM/10:00 PM (MAXIMUMS) AND 4:00 PM/4:00 AM (MINIMUMS):
http://www.geografia.fflch.usp.br/graduacao/apoio/Apoio/Apoio_Elisa/flg0355/textos/Ahrens_cap9.pdf (PG. 211)
Third reference.
A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes. While the amplitude of these waves may vary greatly with latitude, with elevation, and with location, whether over the sea or over the land, the local times of maxima and minima are very constant.
http://www.archive.org/stream/bulletinobserv06terruoft/bulletinobserv06terruoft_djvu.txt
(Bulletin of Applied Physical Science)
A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes.
ALL LATITUDES, no exception recorded.
EVER.
Fourth reference.
It has been known now for two and a half centuries, that there are more or less daily variations in the height of the barometer, culminating in two maxima and two minima during the course of 24 hours. The same observation has been made and puzzled over at every station at which pressure records were kept and studied, but without success in finding for it the complete physical explanation. In speaking of the diurnal and semidiurnal variations of the barometer, Lord Rayleigh says: ‘The relative magnitude of the latter [semidiurnal variations], as observed at most parts of the earth’s surface, is still a mystery, all the attempted explanations being illusory.
Fifth reference.
The atmospheric pressure is greatest at about 10:00 a.m. and 10:00 pm. and least at about 4:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. The variations are primarily the result of the combined effects of the sun's gravitational attraction and solar heating, with solar heating being the major component.
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00001262/00001
THIS REFERENCE EVEN HAS A GRAPH ATTACHED WHICH DOES SHOW THE 10:00 AM AND 10:00 PM MAXIMUMS (PAGE 569).
The best reference from Soil Engineering.
The atmospheric pressure is greatest at about 10:00 a.m. and 10:00 pm. and least at about 4:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m.
Sixth reference.
The barometric pressure curve shows a portion of the normal twice-daily oscillation that occurs due to solar and lunar gravitational forces (atmospheric tides), with high pressures at approximately 10:00 AM and PM, and low pressures at 4:00 AM and PM.
http://info.ngwa.org/gwol/pdf/930158405.PDF
Seventh reference.
http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap01/diurnal.html
Surface pressure measurements in Taiwan (at 25 deg. N) are least around 4am and (especially) 4 pm Local Standard Time, and most around (especially) 10am, and 10pm LST; the amplitude of the semidiurnal cycle is about 1.4 hPa.
Eighth reference.
http://books.google.ro/books?id=vNkZAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA217&lpg=RA1-PA217&dq=barometer+pressure+semidiurnal+change+10+am+4+pm&source=bl&ots=zgQHfJMC_w&sig=NMbmgLuqwPVwEfGVp3WuSu8Mdgg&hl=ro&sa=X&ei=-As4UqWRL4qp4ATI2ICIBA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=barometer%20pressure%20semidiurnal%20change%2010%20am%204%20pm&f=false
THIS IS REAL SCIENCE: DAILY SEMIDIURNAL CHANGES IN THE BAROMETER PRESSURE READING.
Maximums at 10:00 am and 10:00 pm, and minimums at 4:00 am and 4:00 pm.
Ninth reference.
Humboldt carried a barometer with him on his famous South American journeys of 1799-1804. In his book Cosmos he remarked that the two daily maxima at about 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. were so regular that his barometer could serve somewhat as a clock.
http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/29_Atmos_Tides.pdf
Surface pressure exhibits a remarkably stable semidiurnal oscillation with maxima at 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. and minima at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m. local time. This semidiurnal oscillation in surface pressure is a universal phenomenon observed worldwide and can be identified even in disturbed weather conditions.
http://amselvam.webs.com/SEN1/bio2met.htm (section 2.5 with a graph)
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA:
The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall in due to the heating from the sun. Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m.
A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes. (Bulletin of Applied Physical Science)
ALL LATITUDES, no exception recorded.
Surface pressure exhibits a remarkably stable semidiurnal oscillation with maxima at 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. and minima at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m. local time. This semidiurnal oscillation in surface pressure is a universal phenomenon observed worldwide and can be identified even in disturbed weather conditions.
BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX
One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.
The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.
If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.
Lord Rayleigh: ‘The relative magnitude of the latter [semidiurnal variations], as observed at most parts of the earth’s surface, is still a mystery, all the attempted explanations being illusory.’
Currently, the barometer pressure paradox CANNOT BE EXPLAINED AT ALL.
Richard Lindzen tried, some 40 years ago, to include the effects of ozone and water absorption in the atmospheric tide equations; notwithstanding that in his original paper he did express some doubts, the scientific community happily concluded that the barometer pressure paradox has been solved.
Not by a long shot.
Here is S.J. Woolnough's paper detailing the gross error/omission made by Lindzen.
http://cree.rdg.ac.uk/~dynamic/index_files/papers/Woolnough_et_al_2004.pdf
While the surface pressure signal of the simulated atmospheric tides in the model agree well with both theory and observations in their magnitude and phase, sensitivity experiments suggest that the role of the stratospheric ozone in forcing the semidiurnal tide is much reduced compared to theoretical predictions. Furthermore, the influence of the cloud radiative effects seems small. It is suggested that the radiative heating profile in the troposphere, associated primarily with the water vapor distribution, is more important than previously thought for driving the semidiurnal tide.
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You've got it backwards. Our senses perceive the Earth as being flat
Yes, that is true, but that does not mean that our senses are always correct. We are not gods, we make mistakes and we are flawed, as are our senses. Just because the earth may look flat, it does not mean that it is. The earth has a circumference just short of 24000 miles. Looking at it from sea level makes it look like the earth is flat simply because its so massive and because we are so tiny. If the earth were flat, then how would the angles of shadows be explained? How would the constellations of the southern hemisphere be explained? If the earth were flat, you would be able to see all of the constellations, but we are not able to do so.
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I will remind everyone to keep it civil here. Debate is encouraged, but I won't have a lot of patience for personal attacks, or anything else that violates the rules. (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=977.0)
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I personally find this flat earth hypothesis ridiculous and stupid, but I do have one question I would like answered.
If you find the flat earth theory stupid why are you asking such stupid questions?
Maybe someone on this forum will be stupid enough to answer your stupid question.
WOW. Just a typical flat earther, blatantly ignoring science and insulting someone for asking a perfectly logical question which is not answered by your Wiki or FAQ page. Not to mention, how you just deviate the subject and not have to answer what would obviously poke a gaping hole in his atom-thin balloon of a theory.
To be fair, you insulted us first. There was no call for that.
There is also a page in our wiki that covers your question.
You're right, and I'm sorry, I meant to talk trash to that guy because he was just being stupid