I have a question for all round earthers who are so certain that I must be crazy. If, for a minute, we could forget all about NASA and the school teachers we had indoctrinating us from the age of 5. I mean forget about them for a minute, just try and block out that part of your minds. Forget them and the media channels just while you're reading this. Lets pretend that you've just woken up from a coma and have absolutely no idea where you are or what's happening. You wake from a coma and are gradually nursed back to health by someone who happens to believe in flat earth. So while you relearn most things about the world and life and what you do and do not have to do, the one thing you are taught differently is that the earth is flat and stationary. Would you disbelieve it? I reckon you wouldn't? Would it be so hard to believe? I don't think so. Now imagine that after 10 or so years, someone tells you the earth is a ball! Some people are walking around on the 'underside' of it, it's actually spinning at 1,000mph around it's own centre and hurtling through space at 60,000mph! O, and that sun you see move above your head everyday is actually perfectly still and 93,000,000 miles away.You forget that believing FET requires a belief in a essentially global conspiracy, including everyone who has ever been into space lying, everyone who claims to have circumvented the globe in the sense we believe to have lied, and basically just dismiss everyone that has taught us anything as lying or lied to.
Come on people, when you look at it like that, what one really sounds like the fairy tale? Can you honestly put your hand on your heart, look yourself in the mirror and swear on a bible that the globe earth sounds more feasible? Honestly? And remember, you need to try and forget NASA and school books for this one.
When it comes down to it, all that anyone knows is what they are taught. Unless we take 10 minutes to lie down and actually question what we're told. I remember all my teachers taking an instant dislike to being questioned, and my sons teachers now seem to be the same. I don't pretend to KNOW anything, but I know what I believe, I have a strong grasp on my perceptions and I trust my own senses over anything the ITV News can show me.
I know its hard to admit that you may have been fooled, but I think we have. I was a round earther up to a few months ago. I would have laughed at the suggestion of a flat earth. But after looking at the arguments and 'evidence' from both sides, I can honestly say that I believe I was told one huge stinking lie about our world.
You forget that believing FET requires a belief in a essentially global conspiracy, including everyone who has ever been into space lyingJust wrong.
everyone who claims to have circumvented the globe in the sense we believe to have lied,
and basically just dismiss everyone that has taught us anything as lying or lied to.
It depends on my new personality, but i first believe the Earth is round by the Sun and Moon.
The shadow on the Moon have curve, hence it's spherical and it couldn't hurt to think the Sun was round too,
and if the Sun and Moon were round, why wouldn't the Earth be?
*cracks my brain knuckles*
Alrighty, flat Earthers. I have a challenge for you. If you don't take my challenge, go home. Start where you're at, and move east. Keep moving east until you arrive at your starting point. Then explain to me why you were able to do that if the earth is flat. Quantum portal bordering the edges of the earth? A magic force, looping you to the other side? This is legit, I'm not flaming you guys, just challenging you. If you can explain this to me and back it up scientifically, I'll become a flat Earther.
In the conventional model, you are tracing a concentric circle around the north pole. It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Let's imagine a round Earth for a moment for illustrative purposes. You are standing exactly thirty feet from the north pole. You travel due east until you get back to your starting point. Did you travel in a straight line, or in a circle?I don't think I asked about circumnavigating a round earth. :O I asked you to tell me whether moving east on a flat earth will bring you to the other side, or the edge. Gee, are we circumnavigating the challenge I proposed?
It's pretty difficult to travel east standing at the north pole, even 30 feet from it.*cracks my brain knuckles*
Alrighty, flat Earthers. I have a challenge for you. If you don't take my challenge, go home. Start where you're at, and move east. Keep moving east until you arrive at your starting point. Then explain to me why you were able to do that if the earth is flat. Quantum portal bordering the edges of the earth? A magic force, looping you to the other side? This is legit, I'm not flaming you guys, just challenging you. If you can explain this to me and back it up scientifically, I'll become a flat Earther.
In the conventional model, you are tracing a concentric circle around the north pole. It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Let's imagine a round Earth for a moment for illustrative purposes. You are standing exactly thirty feet from the north pole. You travel due east until you get back to your starting point. Did you travel in a straight line, or in a circle?
In the conventional model, you are tracing a concentric circle around the north pole. It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Let's imagine a round Earth for a moment for illustrative purposes. You are standing exactly thirty feet from the north pole. You travel due east until you get back to your starting point. Did you travel in a straight line, or in a circle?I don't think I asked about circumnavigating a round earth. :O I asked you to tell me whether moving east on a flat earth will bring you to the other side, or the edge. Gee, are we circumnavigating the challenge I proposed?
It's pretty difficult to travel east standing at the north pole, even 30 feet from it.
In the conventional model, you are tracing a concentric circle around the north pole. It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Let's imagine a round Earth for a moment for illustrative purposes. You are standing exactly thirty feet from the north pole. You travel due east until you get back to your starting point. Did you travel in a straight line, or in a circle?I don't think I asked about circumnavigating a round earth. :O I asked you to tell me whether moving east on a flat earth will bring you to the other side, or the edge. Gee, are we circumnavigating the challenge I proposed?
I'm sorry, I assumed that since you asked a question about our model, you were familiar with our map. In the conventional model, the north pole is in the center and the south is around the edge. So going due east, you are traveling in a circle, which is exactly what you are doing on a round Earth. Again, it's not a difficult concept to grasp, but it does require making at least a miniscule effort to understand the model. Please read our FAQ and check out our wiki, and if you have any questions that aren't answered there, feel free to ask.I didn't ask to be directed to your wiki. I believe I asked for your first hand proof~ I mean, if you're too scared to go to the edge of the earth in the name of science, I won't waste my time or yours asking anymore questions. ;3
I believe I asked for your first hand proof~You actually did not ask that.
I mean, if you're too scared to go to the edge of the earth in the name of science, I won't waste my time or yours asking anymore questions. ;3What does this even mean? "Too scared" to do some unrealistic task suggested by some random Internet person who lacks a grasp of very simple concepts? Are you five years old?
I'm sorry, I assumed that since you asked a question about our model, you were familiar with our map. In the conventional model, the north pole is in the center and the south is around the edge. So going due east, you are traveling in a circle, which is exactly what you are doing on a round Earth. Again, it's not a difficult concept to grasp, but it does require making at least a miniscule effort to understand the model. Please read our FAQ and check out our wiki, and if you have any questions that aren't answered there, feel free to ask.I didn't ask to be directed to your wiki. I believe I asked for your first hand proof~ I mean, if you're too scared to go to the edge of the earth in the name of science, I won't waste my time or yours asking anymore questions. ;3
I answered your question. I can't help it if you can't understand it. I really don't care what you think about it either because you're obviously not too bright. If you're truly interested in answers to basic questions like the one you asked I have told you where to go. Have a nice day. :)So you're going to say I'm not too bright just because I prodded you for proof? Golly, maybe you don't actually believe in flat earth because you don't intend to back it up. You're just avoiding me and dancing around the argument because you really are afraid to be wrong. I'm not afraid to be wrong. I'm just here to see if you'll do anything to support your beliefs, but I see you won't. You rely on your wiki, which is just an attempt to divert anyone who disagrees with you so you won't have to face them head on. If you won't face me head on, how can you expect to convince anyone else? If I believed the earth was flat, I would put my money where my keyboard is. I would make myself a pioneer, be glad to prove it to others by finding that edge and claiming it in my name. I would be as rich as Bill Gates because I made that discovery. But I don't believe in a flat earth, because there is photographic evidence proving otherwise. So if you expect anyone to believe you, pack your bags, make that flag pole with your name on it, and get ready to set sail partner.
Actually, I did~ I proposed a challenge.I believe I asked for your first hand proof~You actually did not ask that.
Unrealistic? If the earth is flat, there should be an edge. It wouldn't be unrealistic at all. Hard maybe, but not unrealistic. You mad?I mean, if you're too scared to go to the edge of the earth in the name of science, I won't waste my time or yours asking anymore questions. ;3What does this even mean? "Too scared" to do some unrealistic task suggested by some random Internet person who lacks a grasp of very simple concepts? Are you five years old?
I have a question for all round earthers who are so certain that I must be crazy.
If, for a minute, we could forget all about NASA and the school teachers we had indoctrinating us from the age of 5. I mean forget about them for a minute, just try and block out that part of your minds. Forget them and the media channels just while you're reading this. Lets pretend that you've just woken up from a coma and have absolutely no idea where you are or what's happening. You wake from a coma and are gradually nursed back to health by someone who happens to believe in flat earth. So while you relearn most things about the world and life and what you do and do not have to do, the one thing you are taught differently is that the earth is flat and stationary. Would you disbelieve it? I reckon you wouldn't? Would it be so hard to believe?
Now imagine that after 10 or so years, someone tells you the earth is a ball! Some people are walking around on the 'underside' of it, it's actually spinning at 1,000mph around it's own centre and hurtling through space at 60,000mph! O, and that sun you see move above your head everyday is actually perfectly still and 93,000,000 miles away. Come on people, when you look at it like that, what one really sounds like the fairy tale? Can you honestly put your hand on your heart, look yourself in the mirror and swear on a bible that the globe earth sounds more feasible? Honestly? And remember, you need to try and forget NASA and school books for this one.
Lets pretend that you've just woken up from a coma and have absolutely no idea where you are or what's happening. You wake from a coma and are gradually nursed back to health by someone who happens to believe in flat earth. So while you relearn most things about the world and life and what you do and do not have to do, the one thing you are taught differently is that the earth is flat and stationary. Would you disbelieve it?
I have a question for all round earthers who are so certain that I must be crazy. If, for a minute, we could forget all about NASA and the school teachers we had indoctrinating us from the age of 5. I mean forget about them for a minute, just try and block out that part of your minds. Forget them and the media channels just while you're reading this. Lets pretend that you've just woken up from a coma and have absolutely no idea where you are or what's happening. You wake from a coma and are gradually nursed back to health by someone who happens to believe in flat earth. So while you relearn most things about the world and life and what you do and do not have to do, the one thing you are taught differently is that the earth is flat and stationary. Would you disbelieve it? I reckon you wouldn't? Would it be so hard to believe? I don't think so. Now imagine that after 10 or so years, someone tells you the earth is a ball! Some people are walking around on the 'underside' of it, it's actually spinning at 1,000mph around it's own centre and hurtling through space at 60,000mph! O, and that sun you see move above your head everyday is actually perfectly still and 93,000,000 miles away.This is a very good post and turns the whole global indoctrination on its head.
Come on people, when you look at it like that, what one really sounds like the fairy tale? Can you honestly put your hand on your heart, look yourself in the mirror and swear on a bible that the globe earth sounds more feasible? Honestly? And remember, you need to try and forget NASA and school books for this one.
When it comes down to it, all that anyone knows is what they are taught. Unless we take 10 minutes to lie down and actually question what we're told. I remember all my teachers taking an instant dislike to being questioned, and my sons teachers now seem to be the same. I don't pretend to KNOW anything, but I know what I believe, I have a strong grasp on my perceptions and I trust my own senses over anything the ITV News can show me.
I know its hard to admit that you may have been fooled, but I think we have. I was a round earther up to a few months ago. I would have laughed at the suggestion of a flat earth. But after looking at the arguments and 'evidence' from both sides, I can honestly say that I believe I was told one huge stinking lie about our world.
Compartmentalising is the key to why most people do not have to be in on anything. They simply do what they are paid to do and not to ask questions.I have a question for all round earthers who are so certain that I must be crazy. If, for a minute, we could forget all about NASA and the school teachers we had indoctrinating us from the age of 5. I mean forget about them for a minute, just try and block out that part of your minds. Forget them and the media channels just while you're reading this. Lets pretend that you've just woken up from a coma and have absolutely no idea where you are or what's happening. You wake from a coma and are gradually nursed back to health by someone who happens to believe in flat earth. So while you relearn most things about the world and life and what you do and do not have to do, the one thing you are taught differently is that the earth is flat and stationary. Would you disbelieve it? I reckon you wouldn't? Would it be so hard to believe? I don't think so. Now imagine that after 10 or so years, someone tells you the earth is a ball! Some people are walking around on the 'underside' of it, it's actually spinning at 1,000mph around it's own centre and hurtling through space at 60,000mph! O, and that sun you see move above your head everyday is actually perfectly still and 93,000,000 miles away.You forget that believing FET requires a belief in a essentially global conspiracy, including everyone who has ever been into space lying, everyone who claims to have circumvented the globe in the sense we believe to have lied, and basically just dismiss everyone that has taught us anything as lying or lied to.
Come on people, when you look at it like that, what one really sounds like the fairy tale? Can you honestly put your hand on your heart, look yourself in the mirror and swear on a bible that the globe earth sounds more feasible? Honestly? And remember, you need to try and forget NASA and school books for this one.
When it comes down to it, all that anyone knows is what they are taught. Unless we take 10 minutes to lie down and actually question what we're told. I remember all my teachers taking an instant dislike to being questioned, and my sons teachers now seem to be the same. I don't pretend to KNOW anything, but I know what I believe, I have a strong grasp on my perceptions and I trust my own senses over anything the ITV News can show me.
I know its hard to admit that you may have been fooled, but I think we have. I was a round earther up to a few months ago. I would have laughed at the suggestion of a flat earth. But after looking at the arguments and 'evidence' from both sides, I can honestly say that I believe I was told one huge stinking lie about our world.
No kidding. Human senses are the number one tool for exploring the world and interacting with it. it just makes sense that the earth was flat. And we can prove it! They just think our proof is stupid. but it even says in the bible that there will be those who doubt the truth. Love what you're doing to spread the world of the flat earth! amen.Prove it then, let's see the earth show it to us. I won't settle for less than pictures
No kidding. Human senses are the number one tool for exploring the world and interacting with it. it just makes sense that the earth was flat. And we can prove it! They just think our proof is stupid. but it even says in the bible that there will be those who doubt the truth. Love what you're doing to spread the world of the flat earth! amen.Prove it then, let's see the earth show it to us. I won't settle for less than pictures
Gday chaps, Im a Re believer and ibam no genius, but I have a question for the RE, if I were in a helicopter and traveled directly upwards for an hour, with the rotational speed being around 1,600kmh, would I be that far away from my original position?
Gday chaps, Im a Re believer and ibam no genius, but I have a question for the RE, if I were in a helicopter and traveled directly upwards for an hour, with the rotational speed being around 1,600kmh, would I be that far away from my original position?
You already posted this. There is no need to repeat it in another thread.
*cracks my brain knuckles*Both depending on your perspective.
Alrighty, flat Earthers. I have a challenge for you. If you don't take my challenge, go home. Start where you're at, and move east. Keep moving east until you arrive at your starting point. Then explain to me why you were able to do that if the earth is flat. Quantum portal bordering the edges of the earth? A magic force, looping you to the other side? This is legit, I'm not flaming you guys, just challenging you. If you can explain this to me and back it up scientifically, I'll become a flat Earther.
In the conventional model, you are tracing a concentric circle around the north pole. It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Let's imagine a round Earth for a moment for illustrative purposes. You are standing exactly thirty feet from the north pole. You travel due east until you get back to your starting point. Did you travel in a straight line, or in a circle?
*cracks my brain knuckles*
Alrighty, flat Earthers. I have a challenge for you. If you don't take my challenge, go home. Start where you're at, and move east. Keep moving east until you arrive at your starting point. Then explain to me why you were able to do that if the earth is flat. Quantum portal bordering the edges of the earth? A magic force, looping you to the other side? This is legit, I'm not flaming you guys, just challenging you. If you can explain this to me and back it up scientifically, I'll become a flat Earther.
Alrighty, flat Earthers. I have a challenge for you....Start where you're at, and move east. Keep moving east until you arrive at your starting point. Then explain to me why you were able to do that if the earth is flat.
Fine, but as I said in the previous post:Alrighty, flat Earthers. I have a challenge for you....Start where you're at, and move east. Keep moving east until you arrive at your starting point. Then explain to me why you were able to do that if the earth is flat.
I'm not a FE, but I can show you why your proposed experiment does not prove either side. You want to move East, always East, right? How are you determining your direction? Several methods appear viable, and all can be shown to be insufficient to prove RE or FE................................................................In cases 1 and 2 (and possibly case 3 but who's to say), both the RE and the FE models have you taking a curved path; the two models simply disagree on the direction of that curvature. RE have you turning down, down, down, going more or less 'upside down' from your starting point when you are halfway home, then more down, down, down until you have returned upright at the start. FE have you turning left, left, left, all the way around a flat track.
But, try that on the FE map in a North-South direction.
Yes, it HAS been done a couple of times, via both poles.
from: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-circumnavigation-via-both-poles-by-aircraft/ (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-circumnavigation-via-both-poles-by-aircraft/)
Captain Elgen M. Long achieved the first circum-polar flight in a twin-engined Piper PA-31 Navajo from 5 November to 3 December 1971. He covered 62,597 km (38,896 miles) in 215 flying hours.
from: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/17/world/charles-burton-59-a-pole-to-pole-explorer.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/17/world/charles-burton-59-a-pole-to-pole-explorer.html)Yes, I know you can't trust the "Guinness World Records", you can't trust the "New York Times" and you can't trust photographs, videos, eye-witness account (you do know that from a series of eye-witnesses you can get a multitude of stories!), you can't trust Scientists, you can't trust Astronomers and in particular you cannot thrust any that do not believe THE TRUTH.
Charles Burton, 59, a Pole-to-Pole Explorer
Charles Burton, a British explorer who took part in the first expedition to circumnavigate the globe from pole to pole, died on Monday at his family home in the English village of Framfield in Sussex. He was 59 and had suffered a heart attack, said his brother, Richard.
You ask: "Can you honestly put your hand on your heart, . . . . . . . ." My answer is a resounding yes I can "honestly put your hand on your heart, look yourself in the mirror and swear on a bible that the globe earth sounds more feasible"I know its hard to admit that you may have been fooled, but I think we have. I was a round earther up to a few months ago. I would have laughed at the suggestion of a flat earth. But after looking at the arguments and 'evidence' from both sides, I can honestly say that I believe I was told one huge stinking lie about our world.This is a very good post and turns the whole global indoctrination on its head.
In the scenario you put, there's no way in hell a person would believe in a globe that was spinning in space and people walking about all over it.
It just goes to show how strong mainstream indoctrination really is and how peer pressure and ridicule stops people daring to think for themselves.
Those who do, soon come to the conclusion that the reality is far different, just by using the basic senses.
If, for a minute, we could forget all about NASA and the school teachers we had indoctrinating us from the age of 5. I mean forget about them for a minute, just try and block out that part of your minds.Many, many years ago people already found out Earth was a sphere. Obviously, they were not the ignorant part of the population who just saw it from ground level and shout "FLAT!" while ignoring all the rest.
Would you disbelieve it? I reckon you wouldn't? Would it be so hard to believe?If I passed just one day doing some observations with some knowledge... Then probably yes.
Now imagine that after 10 or so years, someone tells you the earth is a ball!Yea, a similar shock may have happened when they told to "the masses" they are on a spinning globe. As many people believed more in a flat Earth because that's what their eyes were seeing. A surprise indeed.
Now imagine that after 10 or so years, someone tells you the earth is a ball! Some people are walking around on the 'underside' of it, it's actually spinning at 1,000mph around it's own centre and hurtling through space at 60,000mph! O, and that sun you see move above your head everyday is actually perfectly still and 93,000,000 miles away.It sounds incredible, isn't it? And it is, even for the most knowledgeable of the humans.
Come on people, when you look at it like that, what one really sounds like the fairy tale?
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart, look yourself in the mirror and swear on a bible that the globe earth sounds more feasible? Honestly?While for us, humans, believing that our Earth is flat is much easier to conceive (at first). It required from us some work for us to realize and understand it actually is not.