The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Community => Topic started by: Flattie on January 13, 2016, 12:40:23 PM
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I have found a major stumbling block for flat earth. Although the Antarctic treaty is very suspicious and the land mass remains unmapped, only computer generated images exist there is a problem. There are flights from Johannesburg to Sydney direct which go over the Antarctic rim, there are hundreds of thousands of photos from commercial planes showing what looks like Antarctica, the flight time is also reduced. Obviously this isn't possible on a flat earth model, you would need to make a huge detour to go anywhere near Antarctica. Has anyone got any thoughts on this?
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Show me a flat earth map, and then the discussion can begin.
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Google it
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flat+earth+map
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flat+earth+map
None of those are flat earth maps, they are projections of the globe map.
Look up "azimuthal equidistant projection" As far as I'm aware there is no accepted flat earth map. ( For obvious reasons )
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I don't see how flying along the rim of Antarctica negates the flat-earth theory. Such a trip would be possible, regardless of the earth's shape. On a flat map, one merely skirts the edge, which may be thousands of miles thick.
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I don't see how flying along the rim of Antarctica negates the flat-earth theory. Such a trip would be possible, regardless of the earth's shape. On a flat map, one merely skirts the edge, which may be thousands of miles thick.
The problem for FE theory is more to do with distance travelled. Especially those who got fooled by the "azimuthal equidistant projection" or Gleason map.
Of course some versions of the FE model have Antarctica as a continent, the bipolar model for example.
It's an insoluble problem for the flat earth theorists, although they will never admit it, and go to quite ridiculous lengths to circumvent it.
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Obviously this isn't possible on a flat earth model, you would need to make a huge detour to go anywhere near Antarctica. Has anyone got any thoughts on this?
They are fake or nebulous half-truths at best.
There is no need to over-think this. They faked and continue to fake space travel. Why is faking Antarctica so hard to fathom??
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Obviously this isn't possible on a flat earth model, you would need to make a huge detour to go anywhere near Antarctica. Has anyone got any thoughts on this?
They are fake or nebulous half-truths at best.
There is no need to over-think this. They faked and continue to fake space travel. Why is faking Antarctica so hard to fathom??
Nope, the simpler solution is to come up with a proper flat earth map, that somewhat resembles reality. If the earth is flat, it should be much easier than a globe map.
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We should also remember that there are several maps that include two poles, and that distance is not the only determining factor for how long it takes to complete a journey. It could be that the accelerator for the Earth speeds up motion at the rim, or that rotational forces move faster the further out you are. Jet streams are common knowledge.
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Nope, the simpler solution is to come up with a proper flat earth map, that somewhat resembles reality. If the earth is flat, it should be much easier than a globe map.
Done and done.
Next?
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We should also remember that there are several maps that include two poles, and that distance is not the only determining factor for how long it takes to complete a journey. It could be that the accelerator for the Earth speeds up motion at the rim, or that rotational forces move faster the further out you are. Jet streams are common knowledge.
I don't think distances work properly on the bipolar map either, and I couldn't see the sun and moon paths working on a bipolar map, maybe someone has worked it out.
EA is probably best left to another thread.
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We should also remember that there are several maps that include two poles, and that distance is not the only determining factor for how long it takes to complete a journey. It could be that the accelerator for the Earth speeds up motion at the rim, or that rotational forces move faster the further out you are. Jet streams are common knowledge.
I don't think distances work properly on the bipolar map either, and I couldn't see the sun and moon paths working on a bipolar map, maybe someone has worked it out.
EA is probably best left to another thread.
I haven't seen anyone who's genuinely tried to analyze which maps are possible, there's typically just a cursory glance at the azimuthal projection that is not claimed to be accurate, with no thought given to subtle rearrangements of the continents. The bipolar possibilities rarely get a look-in, and when they do it's rarely in any detail.
The claim that distances do not work is likely impossible to prove. To try and do so would require proving a number of far trickier propositions.
The one thing I will say is to lose preconceptions. A bipolar map may prove more successful if the cliche of a circular path for the Sun is lost: a figure-8 path would explain midnight suns, and if the Sun's orientation alters it would remain facing the continents.
Regardless, as flight times depend on more than just distance, nothing has been proven.
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There is no need to over-think this. They faked and continue to fake space travel. Why is faking Antarctica so hard to fathom??
but.. but if Antarctica doesn't exist, what happens to all the cute penguins that live there? :'(
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Linked from other thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWKCnoKM_BI
Maybe it's time to get serious about trying to fix the map.
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I have found a major stumbling block for flat earth. Although the Antarctic treaty is very suspicious and the land mass remains unmapped, only computer generated images exist there is a problem. There are flights from Johannesburg to Sydney direct which go over the Antarctic rim, there are hundreds of thousands of photos from commercial planes showing what looks like Antarctica, the flight time is also reduced. Obviously this isn't possible on a flat earth model, you would need to make a huge detour to go anywhere near Antarctica. Has anyone got any thoughts on this?
It's not impossible on the Dual Earth model. The uniplanar FE model has been debunked countless times.
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We should also remember that there are several maps that include two poles, and that distance is not the only determining factor for how long it takes to complete a journey. It could be that the accelerator for the Earth speeds up motion at the rim, or that rotational forces move faster the further out you are. Jet streams are common knowledge.
I'm new here, can someone tell me what the "accelerator for the Earth" means?
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We should also remember that there are several maps that include two poles, and that distance is not the only determining factor for how long it takes to complete a journey. It could be that the accelerator for the Earth speeds up motion at the rim, or that rotational forces move faster the further out you are. Jet streams are common knowledge.
I'm new here, can someone tell me what the "accelerator for the Earth" means?
Are you familiar with the model of universal acceleration? The accelerator is simply the cause.
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OK, got it. Pursuing the hypothetical you suggest, that UA might be able to speed up motion at the rim: would this mean that apparent gravity would feel stronger there? Or that UA in the Z axis (up-down) has an effect on motion in the X and Y axes (north-south and east/counterclockwise - west/clockwise) that it does not have at more northerly locations on the disc?
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OK, got it. Pursuing the hypothetical you suggest, that UA might be able to speed up motion at the rim: would this mean that apparent gravity would feel stronger there? Or that UA in the Z axis (up-down) has an effect on motion in the X and Y axes (north-south and east/counterclockwise - west/clockwise) that it does not have at more northerly locations on the disc?
If the effect of acceleration acts in the horizontal direction, it wouldn't have any effect on the downwards force. The accelerator acts in the vertical direction on the Earth, but that wouldn't preclude a side-effect: I've seen many models in which it forms a dome-shape when the accelerator moves to form a single current above the Earth. Its flow was interrupted by the disk.
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Do you have a link to such a model? I am unable to visualize what you're describing.
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Do you have a link to such a model? I am unable to visualize what you're describing.
You just need to draw a semicircle. The straight line is the Earth, and the arc is the path of the accelerator.
The principle is like the below. It's a round object because it's the only thing I could find on google, but it's clear the same principle will hold. When a flow is interrupted, follow the path of the green dye. it splits for the interruption, and rejoins on the far side at a distance.
(http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/acd14-0078-010_0.jpg)
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I have found a major stumbling block for flat earth. Although the Antarctic treaty is very suspicious and the land mass remains unmapped, only computer generated images exist there is a problem.
You want to know what the biggest problem is? It is ruddy expensive to go live up there. Hence, impossible for the common man to verify anything.
Note to honest and honorable true-earthers:
You do not have to make the truth a scientific debate. You can control the debate by making it into what matters most about human activity and knowledge: money.
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I am an amateur sailer. I have made many Atlantic crossings. The way we cross the Atlantic is exactly the same from a Globe vs Flat Earth map. I have an idea though. I would be willing to save money for a real documented expedition. If we take the Flat Earth map...I should be able to set sail from the West Coast USA....take a straight West line....and hit Antarctica (on the flat map).
If Im able to keep the same heading, and NOT hit Antarctica, but instead hit China or SE Asia....then wouldn't that prove the Earth is a ball ? Or better yet..I could charter a boat from Chile, and see if I can go around Antarctica that way into the North Pole. Has nobody ever done this before >???
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I am an amateur sailer. I have made many Atlantic crossings. The way we cross the Atlantic is exactly the same from a Globe vs Flat Earth map. I have an idea though. I would be willing to save money for a real documented expedition. If we take the Flat Earth map...I should be able to set sail from the West Coast USA....take a straight West line....and hit Antarctica (on the flat map).
If Im able to keep the same heading, and NOT hit Antarctica, but instead hit China or SE Asia....then wouldn't that prove the Earth is a ball ? Or better yet..I could charter a boat from Chile, and see if I can go around Antarctica that way into the North Pole. Has nobody ever done this before >???
The best illustration would be to follow the edge of antarctica right around the world. If it's a globe the distance is dramatically shorter than if it's a disk.
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If Antarctica is around the whole world...I should hit it going West, then If i followed the edge...it should take me around the whole world. This would be the easiest way to prove / disprove either theory. Also a cost effective way too, since I know people who are more experienced than me with sailing / charting.
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I am an amateur sailer. I have made many Atlantic crossings. The way we cross the Atlantic is exactly the same from a Globe vs Flat Earth map. I have an idea though. I would be willing to save money for a real documented expedition. If we take the Flat Earth map...I should be able to set sail from the West Coast USA....take a straight West line....and hit Antarctica (on the flat map).
If Im able to keep the same heading, and NOT hit Antarctica, but instead hit China or SE Asia....then wouldn't that prove the Earth is a ball ? Or better yet..I could charter a boat from Chile, and see if I can go around Antarctica that way into the North Pole. Has nobody ever done this before >???
If you head west on a compass setting, you would be traveling an arc route. You wouldn't go south.
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I'll grant that nobody has flown over Antarctica (even though I dont know if thats true or not). But who has flown to and documented the edge?
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Money talks, people.
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
Go see for yourself. Be open to ideas that are not your own.
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In fact, the more you look, the more common flying to and over Antarctica is.
I'm afraid this piece of the argument is not valid.
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
All human creations are forms of manipulation.
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
According to who, and what?
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
According to who, and what?
That's a good question. The only one who have the means, motive and opportunity is the US government. What is your suggestion?
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
According to who, and what?
That's a good question. The only one who have the means, motive and opportunity is the US government. What is your suggestion?
And how did you come to the conclusion that the US government are the only ones with the means to investigate?
As far as I know, even Brazils space program has more activity than NASA. NASA depends on numerous contractors to function properly which makes the NASA fraud cover up even more ridiculous.
There's a lot of independent space programs and satellite operators out there. Even our universities have student built satellites in orbit mapping and communicating, and that's from a country with a population of only 5,5 million
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
According to who, and what?
That's a good question. The only one who have the means, motive and opportunity is the US government. What is your suggestion?
There's a lot of independent space programs and satellite operators out there. Even our universities have student built satellites in orbit mapping and communicating, and that's from a country with a population of only 5,5 million
Oh - so now you have students to backup your outlandish claim? Denmark never had, and will never have, a space program. (Especially if Trump will be elected ;-)).
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
According to who, and what?
That's a good question. The only one who have the means, motive and opportunity is the US government. What is your suggestion?
There's a lot of independent space programs and satellite operators out there. Even our universities have student built satellites in orbit mapping and communicating, and that's from a country with a population of only 5,5 million
Oh - so now you have students to backup your outlandish claim? Denmark never had, and will never have, a space program. (Especially if Trump will be elected ;-)).
College students are a more credible source than you are proving to be.
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
According to who, and what?
That's a good question. The only one who have the means, motive and opportunity is the US government. What is your suggestion?
There's a lot of independent space programs and satellite operators out there. Even our universities have student built satellites in orbit mapping and communicating, and that's from a country with a population of only 5,5 million
Oh - so now you have students to backup your outlandish claim? Denmark never had, and will never have, a space program. (Especially if Trump will be elected ;-)).
College students are a more credible source than you are proving to be.
I'd like to see the link to the students going to space..
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If your documentation is a tourist brochure, then I rest my case...
I'm glad you put it that way. Flat Earth maps are insufficient as well.
That might be the case, but at least FET are hones about it. RE maps are manipulated.
According to who, and what?
That's a good question. The only one who have the means, motive and opportunity is the US government. What is your suggestion?
There's a lot of independent space programs and satellite operators out there. Even our universities have student built satellites in orbit mapping and communicating, and that's from a country with a population of only 5,5 million
Oh - so now you have students to backup your outlandish claim? Denmark never had, and will never have, a space program. (Especially if Trump will be elected ;-)).
College students are a more credible source than you are proving to be.
I'd like to see the link to the students going to space..
Thats a great idea. In fact, you should do a bunch of research about space. About physics. About geometry. About the world you live in.
Hiding behind absurd notions will lead only to a wasted life.