The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Community => Topic started by: FE-Explorer on May 25, 2015, 05:17:05 PM
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Hello -
I have run across this topic (Flat Earth Theory) recently and I am finding it quite fascinating. I am planning at some point over the summer to do my own Bedford Level experiment with my daughters as a science project. I will be approaching if from the perspective of proving the earth to be a globe but I actually seeking truth and will not be surprised if the experiment confirms a flat earth. I actually think a flat earth would be - for lack of a better word - kind of cool.
My question is more philosophical that scientific however. I want to understand what would be gained (by the powers that be) from the "perception/belief" that the world is a globe vs. flat. What is to be gained (or lost) by that theory? I'm trying to understand who would really care and what impact does that have on our lives? It seems it is extremely important that we believe it is a globe - to the extent of trillions of dollars in the space program over the years all being for show. That's a LOT of investment in something that isn't real so there must be some reason why its so important.
Since 9/11 and the 2008 economic crash, I have become quite the skeptic and I now question everything. I am truly here on a journey for truth. I just would find it difficult to believe we would be sold on a globe if the world is truly flat unless there is some incredibly important reason to do so.
Thank you.
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I dont get why people are so obsessed with the Bedford experiment.
Quote from Wikiepedia(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment):
"If the measurement is close enough to the surface, light rays can curve downward at a rate equal to the mean curvature of the Earth's surface. In this case, the two effects of curvature and refraction cancel each other out and the Earth will appear flat in optical experiments."
This is also why the Laser experiments that have been done really provide no results at all.
If it works, FE will argue that this is proof of a flat earth by ignoring the effect of atmospeheric refraction.
If your expermients results indicate that the earth is flat you would also have to disprove atmospheric
refraction in order to _actually_ proof that the earth is flat and you did not misinterpret the results.
I have never seen a FE'er take this into consideration, you just take the results that suit you
and ignore the rest. This is just nitpicking.
not an anweser to the actual question, sorry, but if plan on doing this expermient just know
how to interpret the results.
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I am sure I am not alone, but for those of use who have or have had every day jobs it seems unbelievable that anyone would even think, much less believe, that the earth was flat.
Of course I am speaking of those of us who work or have worked in fields regarding aeronautical or naval navigation. Globe is not a theory. It is a fact. Flat earth is not even a theory.
I can possibly understand why those who have not have worked in jobs such as those mentioned above might have doubts about the shape of the earth. I can also possibly understand why they might have problems in understanding why those of us who have or have had jobs in those fields are so certain that we know the earth is a globe.
Just a couple of other flat earth ideas. It seems quite a few flat earthers have very little knowledge of how photography works. Of course if you don't have a job or a hobby in photography you wouldn't have a need to know.
The same goes for measurements by radio waves, such as radar, or by lasers would be another subject. But unless you have a hobby or work in those areas you wouldn't be expected to know how they work.
But flat earthers don't seem to have any knowledge of those areas and their replies are usually denial of facts or a lack of admitting they aren't familiar in those areas.
PS- Edited because of some typo errors.
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I am sure I am not alone, but for those who have every day jobs it seems unbelievable that anyone would even think, much less believe, that the earth was flat.
Of course I am speaking of those of us who work or have worked in fields regarding aeronautical or naval navigation. Globe is not a theory. It is a fact. Flat earth is not even a theory.
Good to see you keep such an open mind. ::) I doubt many FEers will bother engaging in a conversation with you. Isn't there a round Earth society you can go join?
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I am sure I am not alone, but for those who have every day jobs it seems unbelievable that anyone would even think, much less believe, that the earth was flat.
Of course I am speaking of those of us who work or have worked in fields regarding aeronautical or naval navigation. Globe is not a theory. It is a fact. Flat earth is not even a theory.
Good to see you keep such an open mind. ::) I doubt many FEers will bother engaging in a conversation with you. Isn't there a round Earth society you can go join?
There is no need for a round earth society. There is no question that the earth is a globe.
I think some flat earthers need to get into the real world. I guess I'm just too technically inclined, especially in those areas of photography and radio, and too much of a realist to engage in the flat earth fantasy.
If you are quite happy in your little world of the flat earth fantasy, I wish you well. But I have been quite happy and have had a fairly comfortable life and enjoyed my work and hobbies in the large real world of the round world. I assure you I am not alone.
Have a good day !
Re: What is the Advantage of a Globe Theory?
One more Advantage of a Globe Theory. Oceanic charts are used every day. Flat earth maps are never used as a source.
http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/APN/Chapt-03.pdf
One more thought. What kind of jobs do flat earthers have ? My jobs were all in the technical areas and I never met a flat earther. Or for that matter I have never met a flat earther except on this website.
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Isn't there a round Earth society you can go join?
Now that you mention it:
The International Association of Geodesy (IAG) is a scientific organization in the field of geodesy. It promotes scientific cooperation and research in geodesy on a global scale and contributes to it through its various research bodies. It is an active member of the International Association of Geodesy and Geophysics (IUGG) which itself is a member of the International Council for Science (ICSU).
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Isn't there a round Earth society you can go join?
Now that you mention it:
The International Association of Geodesy (IAG) is a scientific organization in the field of geodesy. It promotes scientific cooperation and research in geodesy on a global scale and contributes to it through its various research bodies. It is an active member of the International Association of Geodesy and Geophysics (IUGG) which itself is a member of the International Council for Science (ICSU).
Are there any Flat Earth Societies engaged in research such as this on a -quote- "planal"- scale ?
Uh Oh ! I just noticed a dirty word in that quote - "International Council for SCIENCE "!
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I am sure I am not alone, but for those who have every day jobs it seems unbelievable that anyone would even think, much less believe, that the earth was flat.
Of course I am speaking of those of us who work or have worked in fields regarding aeronautical or naval navigation. Globe is not a theory. It is a fact. Flat earth is not even a theory.
Good to see you keep such an open mind. ::) I doubt many FEers will bother engaging in a conversation with you. Isn't there a round Earth society you can go join?
jroa;Your signature line about the pancake and the orange is almost as bad as the one about Pope Innocent III and Hitler. I would be willing to bet that most second graders nowadays would choose the orange. Of course you might have to realize that most second graders have had a better education that most flat earthers .
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FE-Explorer.
Your question wasn't really addressed. It got lost in the fuzz of unrelated debate.
My question is more philosophical that scientific however. I want to understand what would be gained (by the powers that be) from the "perception/belief" that the world is a globe vs. flat. What is to be gained (or lost) by that theory? I'm trying to understand who would really care and what impact does that have on our lives? It seems it is extremely important that we believe it is a globe - to the extent of trillions of dollars in the space program over the years all being for show. That's a LOT of investment in something that isn't real so there must be some reason why its so important.
I had this very same question as I began to explore flat earth theory.
I wondered - What's the big deal? Why go through such trouble?
Here's what I have gathered doing a lot of research, listening to top videos of FE (sorry, there've been so many I do not recall exactly who said what to quote properly) and also from my own reflection.
So, the powers that be want to control the earth. that's not too hard to observe. I can see from your 9/11 comment that you're aware that the government is not out for the good of the people.
The powers that be are Luciferan - meaning their god is the Devil, essentially.
The basic activity of demonic energies is to thwart God's kingdom, plan, energies and "usurp the throne" so to speak.
By creating the notion of the globe earth, the earth goes from flat and geocentric, the center of our galaxy, to being
a speck in the great sea of the universe. And not just a speck but randomly created by spinning balls of gas, slowly over time from the big bang. And intelligent life, also the random selection and evolution over millions of years and many accidents. NO divine intent. No central importance of Earth.
A very fine dismissal of the overall importance of Earth, and... you guessed it... each of us on this planet.
This planet was created with very high intention by our Creator.
It was made to be flat and geocentric. Things revolve around us.
We're not going anywhere.
Therefore Globe earth theory (and I am not saying this about those who believe in it because they were taught it)
by the powers that be, I call them the Con Trolls, is to undermine this divine order and purpose for Earth
so that the notion of us careening through space, with random evolution since the dawn of time, undermines a Divine hand in the creation and purpose of Earth.
Atheism, is, in the end, the great plague of our time. The Devil loves to negate all belief in a Divine creator.
As Bob Dylan said "You gotta serve somebody. Well it may be the Devil and it may be the Lord, but you gotta serve someone."
By default, to believe in nothing, no Creator, is to leave a vacuum, void, into which the forces that wish to deny God's existence can enter.
I am not saying we need RELIGIOUS thinking. Just some nod of acknowledgment as to the endless beauty and majesty of this earth and the gift of life upon it, a true gift by nothing less than a Divine hand.
Flat Earth is a recognition of this Divine process.
Since I've recognized that are not a) spinning at 1000 mph b) careening around the sun through our solar system at ~67,000mph, and c) flying through our galaxy around Galactic Heart Center at God knows how many millions of miles per hour, I have found a greater level of peace... to go outside. to stand on the ground. To feel a stillness.
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Re:What is the Advantage of a Globe Theory ?
Elementary, My Dear Watson ! The Earth IS a Globe. It's not a theory. It's a fact.
If you don't believe in reality, there is really no use in trying to telling you why it isn't flat and why it is a Globe. Denial won't change reality. That is if you think you are smarter than all the astronomers in all the astronomical observatories in the world and you believe that everyone on earth except you and the Flat Earth Society is part of a vast conspiracy.
Do not worry. Those who work in the real world will keep the whole world working according to the laws of science....Sailors, aviators, navigators, and everyone else.
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Elementary, My Dear Watson ! The Earth IS a Globe. It's not a theory. It's a fact.
If you don't believe in reality, there is really no use in trying to telling you why it isn't flat and why it is a Globe. Denial won't change reality. That is if you think you are smarter than all the astronomers in all the astronomical observatories in the world and you believe that everyone on earth except you and the Flat Earth Society is part of a vast conspiracy.
Do not worry. Those who work in the real world will keep the whole world working according to the laws of science....Sailors, aviators, navigators, and everyone else.
Really? That's your argument?
I don't mind debating, that's why I like this forum and not ridiculous spaces like Eric Dubay's forum, where they immediately ban someone for arguing against flat earth.
But really? This is what the globe earth community has?
"because it's reality. It's not a theory, it's a fact. If you don't believe in reality..."
FE-Explorer, I am sure that is a really satisfying answer to your initial question.
See mine.
Something profound to sink your teeth into.
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Perhaps another way of putting is that one of the biggest advantages of RET is having a working model that matches real world observations.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
You navigated using a globe?
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jroa :Maps made from projections of a GLOBE !
Pray tell me that one of the only so-called " Unipolar Flat Earth Map" of the entire earth that has been presented on this website is not simply a copy of "The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection". Projection of what ? Answer: The globe.
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I see. So you navigated using flat maps, and this somehow proves that the Earth is a ball. You seem to be a little delusional, IMHO.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
I was in the navy too and I didn't see any globes on the bridge. Every map I saw was flat. In fact if you do some research they use to teach to navigate out to sea as if the world was flat.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
I was in the navy too and I didn't see any globes on the bridge. Every map I saw was flat. In fact if you do some research they use to teach to navigate out to sea as if the world was flat.
No they don't - http://www.sailtrain.co.uk/navigation/rising.htm
Also, the charts are flat but they're a projection of the globe.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
I was in the navy too and I didn't see any globes on the bridge. Every map I saw was flat. In fact if you do some research they use to teach to navigate out to sea as if the world was flat.
No they don't - http://www.sailtrain.co.uk/navigation/rising.htm
Also, the charts are flat but they're a projection of the globe.
Yes, it is called plane sailing
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
Stationed on a ship for six years, did you ever cast off? You don't seem to know what PLAIN sailing is.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
Stationed on a ship for six years, did you ever cast off? You don't seem to know what PLAIN sailing is.
Sorry, It was 5 years, i spent almost 1 year in school. Yes, it did cast off more times than I care to remember.
plane sailing
Word Origin
noun, Navigation
1.
sailing on a course plotted without reference to the curvature of the earth.
Does this help you understand plane sailing.
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It's always funny when a self-righteous asshole chooses to correct someone's spelling, only to find himself "correcting" it to a colloquial misspelling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_sailing
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
It is really useless to debate the point with flat earthers. I really believe there are really no real flat earthers on this forum . But here are some things for you to ponder.
Just one example of being in the navy would be enough to convince me we live on a globe.
You are the first person who served in the navy that I have ever heard that was not convinced that that we live on a globe.
Here are some things for you to ponder.:
The one word was "The Horizon"
Flat earth says that the horizon is just an indistinct blur that fades away in an infinite distance.
Round earth says that the horizon is a distinct line where sea and sky meet on the ocean.
Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
So, when you were in the navy, didn't you ever observe the horizon ? Or did you ever wonder why the crow's nest or certain types of radars were mounted on the highest masts on the ship ? Did you ever ask a Radarman (RD) why the range on some of his surface search radars was limited by the curvature of the earth ? Didn't you ever ask a Petty Officer or a Commissioned Officer how those flat oceanic charts were made and what was their source ?
One more thing. Did you ever notice that when you sailed out to sea, after a while you could no longer see the land ? And that if a ship sailed over the horizon if you looked at it through a telescope you could no longer see it at the point where it disappeared over the horizon ? Did you ever notice that the hull disappeared from view first and the last thing you saw before it disappeared was the top of the highest mast ?
I'm surprised if you really were in the navy why you would have any doubts about the earth being a globe.
If you will just think about it or do it yourself, I don't see why you would have any doubts that the earth is a globe. ::) ???
I served in the navy for just under four years. But only about three years was actual sea duty due to time spent in boot camp and technical training. My highest rating/rank was only as an ET1 so I am not claiming to be any expert on the subject.
And finally the bottom line is simply that there is ample credible evidence that the earth is a globe and absolutely no credible evidence that the earth is a flat disc surrounded by a ring or wall of ice and covered with a dome of ice.....and a few other flat earth fantasies , et cetera , et cetera and so forth.
Incidentally, if it is any consolation to you jroa I am thinking of abandoning this website. After a while it just gets boring from hearing all the flat earth replies over and over, ad infinitum , ad nauseum. ("Denial", "Fake", "Round Earth Conspiracy")So I will apologize to you personally and all the other flat earthers. I know I have probably been a bore to you, too. I won't promise this post will be my last.
I'll probably stick around just for the fun of it like a lot of others.
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This thread has gotten off topic, from the original question or wish of the person who started it.
"All paths lead to Rome."
It seems all discussion of any kind lead to FErs and GErs duking it out.
Do the arguments ever sway anyone?
I keep hearing GErs saying that all observable phenomena point to a Globe earth.
But I beg to differ.
When I observe reality, I see a flat geocentric earth.
I mean, when I REALLY look. There are so many things that Globe Earthers really have no good explanations for. -
When I think with the thoughts that were supplied to me to think with, then I have doubts about FE, because my brain bounces ideas off itself and my eyes look inward at the eyes, and I see nothing of the reality that is actually around me.
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This thread has gotten off topic, from the original question or wish of the person who started it.
"All paths lead to Rome."
It seems all discussion of any kind lead to FErs and GErs duking it out.
Do the arguments ever sway anyone?
Very true, and no one is ever convinced by the arguments for the other side. So what is the attraction of a flat earth? Is it just the conspiracy mindset, jumping at shadows?
Suppose for the sake of argument the earth really was flat, and there is a global conspiracy to hide the fact that it's flat, and what's more they fake space travel to make money.
So this all powerfull conspiracy has the power to convince (almost) everyone that the earth is a globe, but there is no agenda beyond that, what is the purpose of the deception?
DoctorMoe, has a religious view, and it's Satan, Mark Sargent thinks it's snow globe, controlled by Reptillian Aliens, Fuhrer Eric Dodo thinks it's masonic jewish something or other ( I couldn't bring myself to read it all)
So rather than ask, what is the advantage of a globe, I'll ask the companion question, what is the purpose of the conspiracy? Does it need to have a purpose?
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
It is really useless to debate the point with flat earthers. I really believe there are really no real flat earthers on this forum . But here are some things for you to ponder.
Just one example of being in the navy would be enough to convince me we live on a globe.
You are the first person who served in the navy that I have ever heard that was not convinced that that we live on a globe.
Here are some things for you to ponder.:
The one word was "The Horizon"
Flat earth says that the horizon is just an indistinct blur that fades away in an infinite distance.
Round earth says that the horizon is a distinct line where sea and sky meet on the ocean.
Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
So, when you were in the navy, didn't you ever observe the horizon ? Or did you ever wonder why the crow's nest or certain types of radars were mounted on the highest masts on the ship ? Did you ever ask a Radarman (RD) why the range on some of his surface search radars was limited by the curvature of the earth ? Didn't you ever ask a Petty Officer or a Commissioned Officer how those flat oceanic charts were made and what was their source ?
One more thing. Did you ever notice that when you sailed out to sea, after a while you could no longer see the land ? And that if a ship sailed over the horizon if you looked at it through a telescope you could no longer see it at the point where it disappeared over the horizon ? Did you ever notice that the hull disappeared from view first and the last thing you saw before it disappeared was the top of the highest mast ?
I'm surprised if you really were in the navy why you would have any doubts about the earth being a globe.
If you will just think about it or do it yourself, I don't see why you would have any doubts that the earth is a globe. ::) ???
I served in the navy for just under four years. But only about three years was actual sea duty due to time spent in boot camp and technical training. My highest rating/rank was only as an ET1 so I am not claiming to be any expert on the subject.
And finally the bottom line is simply that there is ample credible evidence that the earth is a globe and absolutely no credible evidence that the earth is a flat disc surrounded by a ring or wall of ice and covered with a dome of ice.....and a few other flat earth fantasies , et cetera , et cetera and so forth.
Incidentally, if it is any consolation to you jroa I am thinking of abandoning this website. After a while it just gets boring from hearing all the flat earth replies over and over, ad infinitum , ad nauseum. ("Denial", "Fake", "Round Earth Conspiracy")So I will apologize to you personally and all the other flat earthers. I know I have probably been a bore to you, too. I won't promise this post will be my last.
I'll probably stick around just for the fun of it like a lot of others.
I'm not going through all your miss guided explanations for a globe Earth, but one thing struck me was if you were in fact an ET you would certainly know why radar is mounted high on the ship. It is so the crew doesn't get fried on the main deck. You must have never heard, "man aloft, turn off all radar". I also have seen many ships go out of sight and using binoculars the ship would return setting just as pretty as can be before it disappeared.
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Don't let Googleotomy (aka Geekwhatever) get under your skin. We have been dealing with him for years. He keeps promising to go away, but never does.
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Don't let Googleotomy (aka Geekwhatever) get under your skin. We have been dealing with him for years. He keeps promising to go away, but never does.
Don't worry, jroa. And we "Round Earthers" have been dealing with jroa for years and we (at least some of us ) also know how to deal with him and this website for what it is.
Sorry to disappoint, you jroa . But I may be around for a while. For the reason, read my signature line on the other forum.
But maybe it would be better just to make these websites flat earth for flat earthers only.
I think the old "Moon Bounce" topic got a little under jroa's skin. I shall refrain from using any of the short hands for laughter on this post.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
It is really useless to debate the point with flat earthers. I really believe there are really no real flat earthers on this forum . But here are some things for you to ponder.
Just one example of being in the navy would be enough to convince me we live on a globe.
You are the first person who served in the navy that I have ever heard that was not convinced that that we live on a globe.
Here are some things for you to ponder.:
The one word was "The Horizon"
Flat earth says that the horizon is just an indistinct blur that fades away in an infinite distance.
Round earth says that the horizon is a distinct line where sea and sky meet on the ocean.
Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
So, when you were in the navy, didn't you ever observe the horizon ? Or did you ever wonder why the crow's nest or certain types of radars were mounted on the highest masts on the ship ? Did you ever ask a Radarman (RD) why the range on some of his surface search radars was limited by the curvature of the earth ? Didn't you ever ask a Petty Officer or a Commissioned Officer how those flat oceanic charts were made and what was their source ?
One more thing. Did you ever notice that when you sailed out to sea, after a while you could no longer see the land ? And that if a ship sailed over the horizon if you looked at it through a telescope you could no longer see it at the point where it disappeared over the horizon ? Did you ever notice that the hull disappeared from view first and the last thing you saw before it disappeared was the top of the highest mast ?
I'm surprised if you really were in the navy why you would have any doubts about the earth being a globe.
If you will just think about it or do it yourself, I don't see why you would have any doubts that the earth is a globe. ::) ???
I served in the navy for just under four years. But only about three years was actual sea duty due to time spent in boot camp and technical training. My highest rating/rank was only as an ET1 so I am not claiming to be any expert on the subject.
And finally the bottom line is simply that there is ample credible evidence that the earth is a globe and absolutely no credible evidence that the earth is a flat disc surrounded by a ring or wall of ice and covered with a dome of ice.....and a few other flat earth fantasies , et cetera , et cetera and so forth.
Incidentally, if it is any consolation to you jroa I am thinking of abandoning this website. After a while it just gets boring from hearing all the flat earth replies over and over, ad infinitum , ad nauseum. ("Denial", "Fake", "Round Earth Conspiracy")So I will apologize to you personally and all the other flat earthers. I know I have probably been a bore to you, too. I won't promise this post will be my last.
I'll probably stick around just for the fun of it like a lot of others.
I'm not going through all your miss guided explanations for a globe Earth, but one thing struck me was if you were in fact an ET you would certainly know why radar is mounted high on the ship. It is so the crew doesn't get fried on the main deck. You must have never heard, "man aloft, turn off all radar". I also have seen many ships go out of sight and using binoculars the ship would return setting just as pretty as can be before it disappeared.
It is a simple fact that the reason some surface radars are mounted on the highest mast is that their range is limited by the distance to the horizon which is limited by the height of the radar antenna. It is all part of radar theory.
It is also part of the spacing of microwave repeater stations on the earth. On the frequencies used on some systems the range is limited to line of sight which is the distances to the horizon.
The same reason why crow's nests are mounted as high as possible.
And you cannot restore a ship which has passed over the horizon with a telescope. Telescopes can only enlarge an object which is in sight.
Did you ever meet any "flat earthers" when you were in the navy ?
The purpose of this website is flat earth and posting of factual information is not going to change that. So it is really futile to post facts. I will admit I often wonder why "round earthers" do this. I suppose it's all part of some kind of a game if you don't take "flat earthers" seriously.
And you cannot deny the fact that the earth is a globe just as much as you can prove that earth is a flat disc.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
It is really useless to debate the point with flat earthers. I really believe there are really no real flat earthers on this forum . But here are some things for you to ponder.
Just one example of being in the navy would be enough to convince me we live on a globe.
You are the first person who served in the navy that I have ever heard that was not convinced that that we live on a globe.
Here are some things for you to ponder.:
The one word was "The Horizon"
Flat earth says that the horizon is just an indistinct blur that fades away in an infinite distance.
Round earth says that the horizon is a distinct line where sea and sky meet on the ocean.
Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
So, when you were in the navy, didn't you ever observe the horizon ? Or did you ever wonder why the crow's nest or certain types of radars were mounted on the highest masts on the ship ? Did you ever ask a Radarman (RD) why the range on some of his surface search radars was limited by the curvature of the earth ? Didn't you ever ask a Petty Officer or a Commissioned Officer how those flat oceanic charts were made and what was their source ?
One more thing. Did you ever notice that when you sailed out to sea, after a while you could no longer see the land ? And that if a ship sailed over the horizon if you looked at it through a telescope you could no longer see it at the point where it disappeared over the horizon ? Did you ever notice that the hull disappeared from view first and the last thing you saw before it disappeared was the top of the highest mast ?
I'm surprised if you really were in the navy why you would have any doubts about the earth being a globe.
If you will just think about it or do it yourself, I don't see why you would have any doubts that the earth is a globe. ::) ???
I served in the navy for just under four years. But only about three years was actual sea duty due to time spent in boot camp and technical training. My highest rating/rank was only as an ET1 so I am not claiming to be any expert on the subject.
And finally the bottom line is simply that there is ample credible evidence that the earth is a globe and absolutely no credible evidence that the earth is a flat disc surrounded by a ring or wall of ice and covered with a dome of ice.....and a few other flat earth fantasies , et cetera , et cetera and so forth.
Incidentally, if it is any consolation to you jroa I am thinking of abandoning this website. After a while it just gets boring from hearing all the flat earth replies over and over, ad infinitum , ad nauseum. ("Denial", "Fake", "Round Earth Conspiracy")So I will apologize to you personally and all the other flat earthers. I know I have probably been a bore to you, too. I won't promise this post will be my last.
I'll probably stick around just for the fun of it like a lot of others.
I'm not going through all your miss guided explanations for a globe Earth, but one thing struck me was if you were in fact an ET you would certainly know why radar is mounted high on the ship. It is so the crew doesn't get fried on the main deck. You must have never heard, "man aloft, turn off all radar". I also have seen many ships go out of sight and using binoculars the ship would return setting just as pretty as can be before it disappeared.
It is a simple fact that the reason some surface radars are mounted on the highest mast is that their range is limited by the distance to the horizon which is limited by the height of the radar antenna. It is all part of radar theory.
It is also part of the spacing of microwave repeater stations on the earth. On the frequencies used on some systems the range is limited to line of sight which is the distances to the horizon.
The same reason why crow's nests are mounted as high as possible.
And you cannot restore a ship which has passed over the horizon with a telescope. Telescopes can only enlarge an object which is in sight.
Did you ever meet any "flat earthers" when you were in the navy ?
The purpose of this website is flat earth and posting of factual information is not going to change that. So it is really futile to post facts. I will admit I often wonder why "round earthers" do this. I suppose it's all part of some kind of a game if you don't take "flat earthers" seriously.
And you cannot deny the fact that the earth is a globe just as much as you can prove that earth is a flat disc.
When I was in the navy I never thought about a flat Earth, therefore I never asked anyone about it. I'm sure you've heard of over the horizon radar. Another thing, How could you be an E6 in only four years without shipping over? ET must be a very critical rate now. Tell me this, If NASA never existed would you still be so convinced we live on a globe?
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
It is really useless to debate the point with flat earthers. I really believe there are really no real flat earthers on this forum . But here are some things for you to ponder.
Just one example of being in the navy would be enough to convince me we live on a globe.
You are the first person who served in the navy that I have ever heard that was not convinced that that we live on a globe.
Here are some things for you to ponder.:
The one word was "The Horizon"
Flat earth says that the horizon is just an indistinct blur that fades away in an infinite distance.
Round earth says that the horizon is a distinct line where sea and sky meet on the ocean.
Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
So, when you were in the navy, didn't you ever observe the horizon ? Or did you ever wonder why the crow's nest or certain types of radars were mounted on the highest masts on the ship ? Did you ever ask a Radarman (RD) why the range on some of his surface search radars was limited by the curvature of the earth ? Didn't you ever ask a Petty Officer or a Commissioned Officer how those flat oceanic charts were made and what was their source ?
One more thing. Did you ever notice that when you sailed out to sea, after a while you could no longer see the land ? And that if a ship sailed over the horizon if you looked at it through a telescope you could no longer see it at the point where it disappeared over the horizon ? Did you ever notice that the hull disappeared from view first and the last thing you saw before it disappeared was the top of the highest mast ?
I'm surprised if you really were in the navy why you would have any doubts about the earth being a globe.
If you will just think about it or do it yourself, I don't see why you would have any doubts that the earth is a globe. ::) ???
I served in the navy for just under four years. But only about three years was actual sea duty due to time spent in boot camp and technical training. My highest rating/rank was only as an ET1 so I am not claiming to be any expert on the subject.
And finally the bottom line is simply that there is ample credible evidence that the earth is a globe and absolutely no credible evidence that the earth is a flat disc surrounded by a ring or wall of ice and covered with a dome of ice.....and a few other flat earth fantasies , et cetera , et cetera and so forth.
Incidentally, if it is any consolation to you jroa I am thinking of abandoning this website. After a while it just gets boring from hearing all the flat earth replies over and over, ad infinitum , ad nauseum. ("Denial", "Fake", "Round Earth Conspiracy")So I will apologize to you personally and all the other flat earthers. I know I have probably been a bore to you, too. I won't promise this post will be my last.
I'll probably stick around just for the fun of it like a lot of others.
I'm not going through all your miss guided explanations for a globe Earth, but one thing struck me was if you were in fact an ET you would certainly know why radar is mounted high on the ship. It is so the crew doesn't get fried on the main deck. You must have never heard, "man aloft, turn off all radar". I also have seen many ships go out of sight and using binoculars the ship would return setting just as pretty as can be before it disappeared.
It is a simple fact that the reason some surface radars are mounted on the highest mast is that their range is limited by the distance to the horizon which is limited by the height of the radar antenna. It is all part of radar theory.
It is also part of the spacing of microwave repeater stations on the earth. On the frequencies used on some systems the range is limited to line of sight which is the distances to the horizon.
The same reason why crow's nests are mounted as high as possible.
And you cannot restore a ship which has passed over the horizon with a telescope. Telescopes can only enlarge an object which is in sight.
Did you ever meet any "flat earthers" when you were in the navy ?
The purpose of this website is flat earth and posting of factual information is not going to change that. So it is really futile to post facts. I will admit I often wonder why "round earthers" do this. I suppose it's all part of some kind of a game if you don't take "flat earthers" seriously.
And you cannot deny the fact that the earth is a globe just as much as you can prove that earth is a flat disc.
When I was in the navy I never thought about a flat Earth, therefore I never asked anyone about it. I'm sure you've heard of over the horizon radar. Another thing, How could you be an E6 in only four years without shipping over? ET must be a very critical rate now. Tell me this, If NASA never existed would you still be so convinced we live on a globe?
1.I am a old geezer of the dinosaur age . LOL. This was during the Korean Conflict.
The radar in question was a relic of WWII. The SG-1b. The characteristics of the frequency of its operation was line of sight and so limited its range was so limited to the distance to the horizon. We had to hoist the sails to get underway. In ET School the classes were held in caves and night classes were illuminated with candles and oil lamps. The winter uniform was Class A Bearskins.
Naturally if we were in port, you had to always check with the Officer On Deck to be sure there were no persons working on the masts before you operated the radar.
The height of the antenna was such that they might receive the radiation. The height was simply at the highest point for the highest range. Only persons working aloft would be in danger and that was the reason for not operating the radar in those instances. At least except in rare cases the radar operated 24/7 while underway at sea.
2. It was common in those days to enlist as an ETSR and "Make First Class" in four years. Just about all my ET shipmates were ET1's at the end of their enlistment. Most were in only because they were drafted but had the choice to enlist in the Navy. The re-enlistment rate of ET's on the ship on which I served was 0%. My promotions were regularly every year. This was nothing unusual. The only ETC's at that time were WWII veterans who were either on capital ships or instructors in ET School.
3.I had had enough studies in public schools and college in geography and a few courses in surveying to know that the earth had been thoroughly surveyed and - In the words of Colonel Pickering (LOL) - it was "common knowledge" that the earth is a globe. NASA seems to be the scape goat of the FES. NASA had nothing to do with my knowing that the earth is a globe. The service in the navy was just an opportunity to observe the obvious. Of course, I had been indoctrinated by those satanists and evil minds in school and college to believe in the globe. But I have at least several billions in the world who are also of like mind. And there are very if any real FE believers.
So much for the globe and my illustrious naval career. LOL. My apologies for getting off topic.
You can "believe" in a "flat earth" all you want, but that doesn't affect the fact that the earth is a planet in the shape of a globe- Just like Mercury, Venus, Mars.....etc.
Have a good day !
In closing:
Have you ever discussed your belief in a flat earth with any of your superiors or your Chaplain ?
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
It is really useless to debate the point with flat earthers. I really believe there are really no real flat earthers on this forum . But here are some things for you to ponder.
Just one example of being in the navy would be enough to convince me we live on a globe.
You are the first person who served in the navy that I have ever heard that was not convinced that that we live on a globe.
Here are some things for you to ponder.:
The one word was "The Horizon"
Flat earth says that the horizon is just an indistinct blur that fades away in an infinite distance.
Round earth says that the horizon is a distinct line where sea and sky meet on the ocean.
Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
So, when you were in the navy, didn't you ever observe the horizon ? Or did you ever wonder why the crow's nest or certain types of radars were mounted on the highest masts on the ship ? Did you ever ask a Radarman (RD) why the range on some of his surface search radars was limited by the curvature of the earth ? Didn't you ever ask a Petty Officer or a Commissioned Officer how those flat oceanic charts were made and what was their source ?
One more thing. Did you ever notice that when you sailed out to sea, after a while you could no longer see the land ? And that if a ship sailed over the horizon if you looked at it through a telescope you could no longer see it at the point where it disappeared over the horizon ? Did you ever notice that the hull disappeared from view first and the last thing you saw before it disappeared was the top of the highest mast ?
I'm surprised if you really were in the navy why you would have any doubts about the earth being a globe.
If you will just think about it or do it yourself, I don't see why you would have any doubts that the earth is a globe. ::) ???
I served in the navy for just under four years. But only about three years was actual sea duty due to time spent in boot camp and technical training. My highest rating/rank was only as an ET1 so I am not claiming to be any expert on the subject.
And finally the bottom line is simply that there is ample credible evidence that the earth is a globe and absolutely no credible evidence that the earth is a flat disc surrounded by a ring or wall of ice and covered with a dome of ice.....and a few other flat earth fantasies , et cetera , et cetera and so forth.
Incidentally, if it is any consolation to you jroa I am thinking of abandoning this website. After a while it just gets boring from hearing all the flat earth replies over and over, ad infinitum , ad nauseum. ("Denial", "Fake", "Round Earth Conspiracy")So I will apologize to you personally and all the other flat earthers. I know I have probably been a bore to you, too. I won't promise this post will be my last.
I'll probably stick around just for the fun of it like a lot of others.
I'm not going through all your miss guided explanations for a globe Earth, but one thing struck me was if you were in fact an ET you would certainly know why radar is mounted high on the ship. It is so the crew doesn't get fried on the main deck. You must have never heard, "man aloft, turn off all radar". I also have seen many ships go out of sight and using binoculars the ship would return setting just as pretty as can be before it disappeared.
It is a simple fact that the reason some surface radars are mounted on the highest mast is that their range is limited by the distance to the horizon which is limited by the height of the radar antenna. It is all part of radar theory.
It is also part of the spacing of microwave repeater stations on the earth. On the frequencies used on some systems the range is limited to line of sight which is the distances to the horizon.
The same reason why crow's nests are mounted as high as possible.
And you cannot restore a ship which has passed over the horizon with a telescope. Telescopes can only enlarge an object which is in sight.
Did you ever meet any "flat earthers" when you were in the navy ?
The purpose of this website is flat earth and posting of factual information is not going to change that. So it is really futile to post facts. I will admit I often wonder why "round earthers" do this. I suppose it's all part of some kind of a game if you don't take "flat earthers" seriously.
And you cannot deny the fact that the earth is a globe just as much as you can prove that earth is a flat disc.
When I was in the navy I never thought about a flat Earth, therefore I never asked anyone about it. I'm sure you've heard of over the horizon radar. Another thing, How could you be an E6 in only four years without shipping over? ET must be a very critical rate now. Tell me this, If NASA never existed would you still be so convinced we live on a globe?
1.I am a old geezer of the dinosaur age . LOL. This was during the Korean Conflict.
The radar in question was a relic of WWII. The SG-1b. The characteristics of the frequency of its operation was line of sight and so limited its range was so limited to the distance to the horizon. We had to hoist the sails to get underway. In ET School the classes were held in caves and night classes were illuminated with candles and oil lamps. The winter uniform was Class A Bearskins.
Naturally if we were in port, you had to always check with the Officer On Deck to be sure there were no persons working on the masts before you operated the radar.
The height of the antenna was such that they might receive the radiation. The height was simply at the highest point for the highest range. Only persons working aloft would be in danger and that was the reason for not operating the radar in those instances. At least except in rare cases the radar operated 24/7 while underway at sea.
2. It was common in those days to enlist as an ETSR and "Make First Class" in four years. Just about all my ET shipmates were ET1's at the end of their enlistment. Most were in only because they were drafted but had the choice to enlist in the Navy. The re-enlistment rate of ET's on the ship on which I served was 0%. My promotions were regularly every year. This was nothing unusual. The only ETC's at that time were WWII veterans who were either on capital ships or instructors in ET School.
3.I had had enough studies in public schools and college in geography and a few courses in surveying to know that the earth had been thoroughly surveyed and - In the words of Colonel Pickering (LOL) - it was "common knowledge" that the earth is a globe. NASA seems to be the scape goat of the FES. NASA had nothing to do with my knowing that the earth is a globe. The service in the navy was just an opportunity to observe the obvious. Of course, I had been indoctrinated by those satanists and evil minds in school and college to believe in the globe. But I have at least several billions in the world who are also of like mind. And there are very if any real FE believers.
So much for the globe and my illustrious naval career. LOL. My apologies for getting off topic.
You can "believe" in a "flat earth" all you want, but that doesn't affect the fact that the earth is a planet in the shape of a globe- Just like Mercury, Venus, Mars.....etc.
Have a good day !
In closing:
Have you ever discussed your belief in a flat earth with any of your superiors or your Chaplain ?
Thank you for your service in the navy. I served during Vietnam, stationed on a guided missile destroyer, trained and worked on the guided missile launching system, worked in SONAR, fire control and ASROC.
You say Earth is just like Mercury, Venus, Mars , etc. But that is not true. They don't have water and an atmosphere like Earth. I guess you believe gravity is what holds all these planets in place when even the one given credit for it's theory doesn't even believe it.
Newton's thoughts in a private letter:
That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.
Let ma ask you, do you fall into it?
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Yendor wrote:
You say Earth is just like Mercury, Venus, Mars , etc. But that is not true. They don't have water and an atmosphere like Earth. I guess you believe gravity is what holds all these planets in place when even the one given credit for it's theory doesn't even believe it.
Newton's thoughts in a private letter:
That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.
Well said Yendor. I like that you shared this piece. It makes a lot of sense.
I've sat pondering the notion that a bunch of huge balls of gas spun around themselves and condensed, the sun being the biggest of them all, and then, somehow, the planets coalesced in similar style, and *somehow* managed to stay in PERFECT orbit around the sun without its "gravitational field" pulling them out of orbit and into destruction into its own hot mass. Also, as the planets orbit the sun, there is no influence of the larger planets on our own orbit around the sun... like Jupiter's, or our own "gravitational" influence on nearby smaller planets like Mars.
I've found that as I've explored some questions like these with my "Flat Earth eyes" on, they make absolutely no sense.
And as Newton says "no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it."
It's been easy to dismiss them as the ideas are absurd.
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Yendor wrote:
You say Earth is just like Mercury, Venus, Mars , etc. But that is not true. They don't have water and an atmosphere like Earth. I guess you believe gravity is what holds all these planets in place when even the one given credit for it's theory doesn't even believe it.
Newton's thoughts in a private letter:
That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.
Well said Yendor. I like that you shared this piece. It makes a lot of sense.
I've sat pondering the notion that a bunch of huge balls of gas spun around themselves and condensed, the sun being the biggest of them all, and then, somehow, the planets coalesced in similar style, and *somehow* managed to stay in PERFECT orbit around the sun without its "gravitational field" pulling them out of orbit and into destruction into its own hot mass. Also, as the planets orbit the sun, there is no influence of the larger planets on our own orbit around the sun... like Jupiter's, or our own "gravitational" influence on nearby smaller planets like Mars.
I've found that as I've explored some questions like these with my "Flat Earth eyes" on, they make absolutely no sense.
And as Newton says "no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it."
It's been easy to dismiss them as the ideas are absurd.
Both Einstein and Newton and many others don't believe in their own theories. Tesla, in my opinion was the smartest of the bunch. Here is a quote from him about relativity:
quote from Tesla:
"According to the relativists, space has a tendency to curvature owing to an inherent property or presence of celestial bodies. Granting a semblance of reality to this fantastic idea, it is still self-contradictory. Every action is accompanied by an equivalent reaction and the effects of the latter are directly opposite to those of the former. Supposing that the bodies act upon the surrounding space causing curvature of the same, it appears to my simple mind that the curved spaces must react on the bodies and, producing the opposite effects, straighten out the curves. Since action and reaction are coexistent, it follows that the supposed curvature of space is entirely impossible."
We are being duped on many levels. I don't know exactly know why and how they do it but believe me they are.
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Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
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In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
Omg. That is awesome. I love that.
Try explaining that one with Globe Theory. lol.
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Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
I'm sure you don't see it rise again. You are probably seeing the sun again because of clearer atmosphere and less obstacles in the way when you go higher.
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This thread has gotten off topic, from the original question or wish of the person who started it.
"All paths lead to Rome."
It seems all discussion of any kind lead to FErs and GErs duking it out.
Do the arguments ever sway anyone?
Very true, and no one is ever convinced by the arguments for the other side. So what is the attraction of a flat earth? Is it just the conspiracy mindset, jumping at shadows?
Suppose for the sake of argument the earth really was flat, and there is a global conspiracy to hide the fact that it's flat, and what's more they fake space travel to make money.
So this all powerfull conspiracy has the power to convince (almost) everyone that the earth is a globe, but there is no agenda beyond that, what is the purpose of the deception?
DoctorMoe, has a religious view, and it's Satan, Mark Sargent thinks it's snow globe, controlled by Reptillian Aliens, Fuhrer Eric Dodo thinks it's masonic jewish something or other ( I couldn't bring myself to read it all)
So rather than ask, what is the advantage of a globe, I'll ask the companion question, what is the purpose of the conspiracy? Does it need to have a purpose?
I'm answering the first question, "so what is the attraction of a flat earth."
My view is that it results from our species having sufficient intelligence to be aware that life is transitory. Everything about the evolution of man has prepared him to survive by fighting off enemies and surmounting obstacles. But there is this inevitable termination to personal existence that can't be fought in any way, so we defeat it literally by denying reality and embracing fantasy to become "victorious."
Damien Hirst nailed it in a piece entitled "The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living." That is why religion appears to be "reasonable" to so many. It is why anti-science is popular with others. Reality is pretty bleak, especially as revealed by modern science - ie the eventual heat death of the universe - it doesn't make for a very good bedtime story.
Penn Jillette.
“If every trace of any single religion were wiped out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly that way again. There might be some other nonsense in its place, but not that exact nonsense. If all of science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again.”
And a large segment of society would embrace ways to deny it again.
The second question, "what is the purpose of the conspiracy?" is irrelevant and doesn't matter per my view.
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Well.....I was in the US Navy and we certainly knew the earth is a globe and we certainly didn't use any flat earth maps for navigation.
Why being in the navy convinces you we live on a globe? I too was in the navy stationed on a ship for six years and i'm not convinced we live on a globe. If you where to remove all you ever heard about NASA, would you still be convince you live on a globe based on what you observe around you? If so, can you please give me some examples?
It is really useless to debate the point with flat earthers. I really believe there are really no real flat earthers on this forum . But here are some things for you to ponder.
Just one example of being in the navy would be enough to convince me we live on a globe.
You are the first person who served in the navy that I have ever heard that was not convinced that that we live on a globe.
Here are some things for you to ponder.:
The one word was "The Horizon"
Flat earth says that the horizon is just an indistinct blur that fades away in an infinite distance.
Round earth says that the horizon is a distinct line where sea and sky meet on the ocean.
Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
So, when you were in the navy, didn't you ever observe the horizon ? Or did you ever wonder why the crow's nest or certain types of radars were mounted on the highest masts on the ship ? Did you ever ask a Radarman (RD) why the range on some of his surface search radars was limited by the curvature of the earth ? Didn't you ever ask a Petty Officer or a Commissioned Officer how those flat oceanic charts were made and what was their source ?
One more thing. Did you ever notice that when you sailed out to sea, after a while you could no longer see the land ? And that if a ship sailed over the horizon if you looked at it through a telescope you could no longer see it at the point where it disappeared over the horizon ? Did you ever notice that the hull disappeared from view first and the last thing you saw before it disappeared was the top of the highest mast ?
I'm surprised if you really were in the navy why you would have any doubts about the earth being a globe.
If you will just think about it or do it yourself, I don't see why you would have any doubts that the earth is a globe. ::) ???
I served in the navy for just under four years. But only about three years was actual sea duty due to time spent in boot camp and technical training. My highest rating/rank was only as an ET1 so I am not claiming to be any expert on the subject.
And finally the bottom line is simply that there is ample credible evidence that the earth is a globe and absolutely no credible evidence that the earth is a flat disc surrounded by a ring or wall of ice and covered with a dome of ice.....and a few other flat earth fantasies , et cetera , et cetera and so forth.
Incidentally, if it is any consolation to you jroa I am thinking of abandoning this website. After a while it just gets boring from hearing all the flat earth replies over and over, ad infinitum , ad nauseum. ("Denial", "Fake", "Round Earth Conspiracy")So I will apologize to you personally and all the other flat earthers. I know I have probably been a bore to you, too. I won't promise this post will be my last.
I'll probably stick around just for the fun of it like a lot of others.
I'm not going through all your miss guided explanations for a globe Earth, but one thing struck me was if you were in fact an ET you would certainly know why radar is mounted high on the ship. It is so the crew doesn't get fried on the main deck. You must have never heard, "man aloft, turn off all radar". I also have seen many ships go out of sight and using binoculars the ship would return setting just as pretty as can be before it disappeared.
It is a simple fact that the reason some surface radars are mounted on the highest mast is that their range is limited by the distance to the horizon which is limited by the height of the radar antenna. It is all part of radar theory.
It is also part of the spacing of microwave repeater stations on the earth. On the frequencies used on some systems the range is limited to line of sight which is the distances to the horizon.
The same reason why crow's nests are mounted as high as possible.
And you cannot restore a ship which has passed over the horizon with a telescope. Telescopes can only enlarge an object which is in sight.
Did you ever meet any "flat earthers" when you were in the navy ?
The purpose of this website is flat earth and posting of factual information is not going to change that. So it is really futile to post facts. I will admit I often wonder why "round earthers" do this. I suppose it's all part of some kind of a game if you don't take "flat earthers" seriously.
And you cannot deny the fact that the earth is a globe just as much as you can prove that earth is a flat disc.
When I was in the navy I never thought about a flat Earth, therefore I never asked anyone about it. I'm sure you've heard of over the horizon radar. Another thing, How could you be an E6 in only four years without shipping over? ET must be a very critical rate now. Tell me this, If NASA never existed would you still be so convinced we live on a globe?
1.I am a old geezer of the dinosaur age . LOL. This was during the Korean Conflict.
The radar in question was a relic of WWII. The SG-1b. The characteristics of the frequency of its operation was line of sight and so limited its range was so limited to the distance to the horizon. We had to hoist the sails to get underway. In ET School the classes were held in caves and night classes were illuminated with candles and oil lamps. The winter uniform was Class A Bearskins.
Naturally if we were in port, you had to always check with the Officer On Deck to be sure there were no persons working on the masts before you operated the radar.
The height of the antenna was such that they might receive the radiation. The height was simply at the highest point for the highest range. Only persons working aloft would be in danger and that was the reason for not operating the radar in those instances. At least except in rare cases the radar operated 24/7 while underway at sea.
2. It was common in those days to enlist as an ETSR and "Make First Class" in four years. Just about all my ET shipmates were ET1's at the end of their enlistment. Most were in only because they were drafted but had the choice to enlist in the Navy. The re-enlistment rate of ET's on the ship on which I served was 0%. My promotions were regularly every year. This was nothing unusual. The only ETC's at that time were WWII veterans who were either on capital ships or instructors in ET School.
3.I had had enough studies in public schools and college in geography and a few courses in surveying to know that the earth had been thoroughly surveyed and - In the words of Colonel Pickering (LOL) - it was "common knowledge" that the earth is a globe. NASA seems to be the scape goat of the FES. NASA had nothing to do with my knowing that the earth is a globe. The service in the navy was just an opportunity to observe the obvious. Of course, I had been indoctrinated by those satanists and evil minds in school and college to believe in the globe. But I have at least several billions in the world who are also of like mind. And there are very if any real FE believers.
So much for the globe and my illustrious naval career. LOL. My apologies for getting off topic.
You can "believe" in a "flat earth" all you want, but that doesn't affect the fact that the earth is a planet in the shape of a globe- Just like Mercury, Venus, Mars.....etc.
Have a good day !
In closing:
Have you ever discussed your belief in a flat earth with any of your superiors or your Chaplain ?
Thank you for your service in the navy. I served during Vietnam, stationed on a guided missile destroyer, trained and worked on the guided missile launching system, worked in SONAR, fire control and ASROC.
You say Earth is just like Mercury, Venus, Mars , etc. But that is not true. They don't have water and an atmosphere like Earth. I guess you believe gravity is what holds all these planets in place when even the one given credit for it's theory doesn't even believe it.
Newton's thoughts in a private letter:
That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.
Let ma ask you, do you fall into it?
By that I meant in general terms the earth is a "Globe Shaped Planet" like Mercury , etc.
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Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
I'm sure you don't see it rise again. You are probably seeing the sun again because of clearer atmosphere and less obstacles in the way when you go higher.
You can see the sun rise again since you are up higher and you can see farther to the horizon. Check on the distance to the horizon according to the height of the observer. On a flat earth, assuming of course that there was a sunset on a flat earth, you could see the sunset no matter how high you were above the ground. There are certain simple "round earth facts" such as this that flat earth simply chooses to deny.
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Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
I'm sure you don't see it rise again. You are probably seeing the sun again because of clearer atmosphere and less obstacles in the way when you go higher.
You can see the sun rise again since you are up higher and you can see farther to the horizon. Check on the distance to the horizon according to the height of the observer. On a flat earth, assuming of course that there was a sunset on a flat earth, you could see the sunset no matter how high you were above the ground. There are certain simple "round earth facts" such as this that flat earth simply chooses to deny.
I'm certainly no expert, but on a flat Earth the sun simply gets to a distance you can't see it any longer because of the atmosphere. When a person rises above he can see the sun again because the atmosphere is clearer again. The sun doesn't set it simply goes out of sight. REers think the sun sets or goes around the Earth. If that was true then why is the horizon always at eye level on matter how high you go? That being the case the sun should never set. It should always appear over head or simply always in sight.
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Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
I'm sure you don't see it rise again. You are probably seeing the sun again because of clearer atmosphere and less obstacles in the way when you go higher.
You can see the sun rise again since you are up higher and you can see farther to the horizon. Check on the distance to the horizon according to the height of the observer. On a flat earth, assuming of course that there was a sunset on a flat earth, you could see the sunset no matter how high you were above the ground. There are certain simple "round earth facts" such as this that flat earth simply chooses to deny.
I'm certainly no expert, but on a flat Earth the sun simply gets to a distance you can't see it any longer because of the atmosphere. When a person rises above he can see the sun again because the atmosphere is clearer again. The sun doesn't set it simply goes out of sight. REers think the sun sets or goes around the Earth. If that was true then why is the horizon always at eye level on matter how high you go? That being the case the sun should never set. It should always appear over head or simply always in sight.
Flat earth also says the sun gets so far away and so small you can't see it after a sunset.....or... I'm no flat earth expert either.....But.....Or maybe you can't see a sunrise on the flat earth until the sun gets near enough to see it because during the night the sun has been so far away that you can't see it ? But the sun never goes below the horizon on the flat earth ? According to flat earth the sun moves around the earth in a circular orbit at a constant height ?
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Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
Who performed this experiment? Or, is this just another of those "If the is earth is round, then this would happen" hypotheticals that you people misunderstand to be facts?
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Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
Who performed this experiment? Or, is this just another of those "If the is earth is round, then this would happen" hypotheticals that you people misunderstand to be facts?
Have any flat earthers ever performed an experiment to disprove the the round earth claimed fact that the horizon is a well defined line where land or sea meet the sky ; the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and the distance to the horizon is greater the higher the observer is located ?
Or have the flat earthers ever performed an experiment to prove that the horizon is a blur which fades away at an infinite and undetermined distance ? If this was so, a simple photograph would show this. Of course flat earthers don't believe photographs are evidence.
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Due to the curvature of the earth the distance to the horizon depends on the height of the observer and can be determined by a simple formula. The higher you are the farther you can see to the horizon.
In Dubai at the Burj Khalifa you can watch the sun set then ride the high speed elevator to the 124th floor. On the way up the set sun will rise again and you can then watch it set a second time.
Who performed this experiment? Or, is this just another of those "If the is earth is round, then this would happen" hypotheticals that you people misunderstand to be facts?
That's weird. I actually interpreted that as an argument in favour of a Flat Earth, because, once the sun sets (and the earth continues to spin at ~1000 mph) there is no way that getting up 1000 feet is going to enable you to see the sun rise again, even if you can do that in about 2 minutes (from the outside on the ground, to the elevators, then up the elevators)
But seeing how everything converges to the horizon on a flat earth, then getting up fast enough would enable one to see the sun "rise" again. Makes sense to me.
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That's weird. I actually interpreted that as an argument in favour of a Flat Earth, because, once the sun sets (and the earth continues to spin at ~1000 mph) there is no way that getting up 1000 feet is going to enable you to see the sun rise again, even if you can do that in about 2 minutes (from the outside on the ground, to the elevators, then up the elevators)
But seeing how everything converges to the horizon on a flat earth, then getting up fast enough would enable one to see the sun "rise" again. Makes sense to me.
I think it's more like they watch the sun set inside the elevator or it has just set as they enter the elevator.
"The world's tallest building, Burj Khalifa, occupies third place in the list, with a maximum elevator speed of 36 km/h, or 600m/min. The engineers working on the design first thought about installing triple-decker elevators, which would have been the first in the world. The double-decker elevators that have instead been installed have a capacity of 12 to 14 persons per cabin."
http://www.constructionweekonline.com/article-20616-burj-khalifa-has-worlds-third-fastest-elevator/
For an observer standing on the ground with h = 1.70 metres (5 ft 7 in) (average eye-level height), the horizon is at a distance of 4.7 kilometres (2.9 mi).
For an observer standing on the ground with h = 2 metres (6 ft 7 in), the horizon is at a distance of 5 kilometres (3.1 mi).
For an observer standing on a hill or tower of 100 metres (330 ft) in height, the horizon is at a distance of 36 kilometres (22 mi).
For an observer standing at the top of the Burj Khalifa (828 metres (2,717 ft) in height), the horizon is at a distance of 103 kilometres (64 mi).
For an observer atop Mount Everest (8,848 metres (29,029 ft) in altitude), the horizon is at a distance of 336 kilometres (209 mi).
These are facts, not theory. But they happen to agree with RET. FET on the other hand would predict you should be able to see forever into the distance. The ad hoc argument that this ability is limited by the air leaves you unable to explain why you can see farther the higher you are above the earth.
With the FE sun at 2,000 miles altitude and say 8,000 miles away from you it'd be at an elevation of 14 degrees. So throw in another ad hoc supposition of bendy lightrays. The sun "sets" at a distance of just a couple of miles for someone standing at the beach. How bendy is that light?? Once the light bends to give the illusion of a sunset any viewing of the sun light from further away atop a tall building or mountain would require your bendy light to bend beyond horizontal and start curving up again. That would create the optical illusion of the sun at an angel below the horizon!
The elevator moves at 33ft/sec so would take 82 seconds to get to 2,717 ft high.
Rotation rate of 900mph (at Dubai) for 82 seconds = 20.5 miles.
The increase in horizon from the base to 2,717 ft up is 64 miles - 3 miles = 61 miles. You have 40 miles to spare.
Rotation rate is not an issue.
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If that was true then why is the horizon always at eye level no matter how high you go?
It's not. But the drop from level is very slight. Your brain can't detect anything under a couple of degrees off from level which doesn't occur until you reach an altitude of about 2.5 miles.
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I'm certainly no expert, but on a flat Earth the sun simply gets to a distance you can't see it any longer because of the atmosphere. When a person rises above he can see the sun again because the atmosphere is clearer again. The sun doesn't set it simply goes out of sight. REers think the sun sets or goes around the Earth. If that was true then why is the horizon always at eye level on matter how high you go? That being the case the sun should never set. It should always appear over head or simply always in sight.
I can correct you there, no round earthers think that the sun goes around the earth, the earth is rotating, one revolution per day. ( I'm surprised you didn't know this already )
The horizon doesn't always stay at eye level, once you get to an altitude that you can clearly discern the left -right curvature of the horizon, then the horizon will be clearly seen to be below you.
The sun does set, if you doubt me, go outside late in the day and watch it sink slowly below the horizon, it doesn't just vanish into infinity, it is clearly a disk that gradually drops below the horizon.
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I'm certainly no expert, but on a flat Earth the sun simply gets to a distance you can't see it any longer because of the atmosphere. When a person rises above he can see the sun again because the atmosphere is clearer again. The sun doesn't set it simply goes out of sight. REers think the sun sets or goes around the Earth. If that was true then why is the horizon always at eye level on matter how high you go? That being the case the sun should never set. It should always appear over head or simply always in sight.
I can correct you there, no round earthers think that the sun goes around the earth, the earth is rotating, one revolution per day. ( I'm surprised you didn't know this already )
The horizon doesn't always stay at eye level, once you get to an altitude that you can clearly discern the left -right curvature of the horizon, then the horizon will be clearly seen to be below you.
The sun does set, if you doubt me, go outside late in the day and watch it sink slowly below the horizon, it doesn't just vanish into infinity, it is clearly a disk that gradually drops below the horizon.
I'm sorry, I stand corrected REers do believe the Earth rotates around the Sun. It sound so ridiculous i guess I forgot for a minute. When have you ever been high enough to see any curvature? If we live on a ball then when you go up high you should see the horizon actually roll under you. You don't it stays right out in front of you. Why do you believe the Sun is a disk but the Earth is a round ball? To be truthful with you I can't really say what the Sun setting will look like on a round Earth. All I know is how it looks on a flat Earth.
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So back to the original question of this topic -
I think Mark Sargent does a good job of exploring the background as to why they would have needed to continue to maintain the Globe Earth Ruse.
especially around 5 minutes. He begins to explain it directly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T8-YdgU-CF4
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I'm certainly no expert, but on a flat Earth the sun simply gets to a distance you can't see it any longer because of the atmosphere. When a person rises above he can see the sun again because the atmosphere is clearer again. The sun doesn't set it simply goes out of sight. REers think the sun sets or goes around the Earth. If that was true then why is the horizon always at eye level on matter how high you go? That being the case the sun should never set. It should always appear over head or simply always in sight.
I can correct you there, no round earthers think that the sun goes around the earth, the earth is rotating, one revolution per day. ( I'm surprised you didn't know this already )
The horizon doesn't always stay at eye level, once you get to an altitude that you can clearly discern the left -right curvature of the horizon, then the horizon will be clearly seen to be below you.
The sun does set, if you doubt me, go outside late in the day and watch it sink slowly below the horizon, it doesn't just vanish into infinity, it is clearly a disk that gradually drops below the horizon.
I'm sorry, I stand corrected REers do believe the Earth rotates around the Sun. It sound so ridiculous i guess I forgot for a minute. When have you ever been high enough to see any curvature? If we live on a ball then when you go up high you should see the horizon actually roll under you. You don't it stays right out in front of you. Why do you believe the Sun is a disk but the Earth is a round ball? To be truthful with you I can't really say what the Sun setting will look like on a round Earth. All I know is how it looks on a flat Earth.
Not quite what I wrote, but let me try again, the day/night cycle of the sun and moon rising and setting is caused by the earth rotating once per day, that's where days and nights come from, (not rotating around the sun), the earth orbits the sun once per year and because the axis of rotation (the daily rotation) is tilted the length of the days varies depending on where you are on earth, in July, It's winter in Australia (where I live), and Summer in the USA. ( where you live). I'm sure all this has been explained before.
The sunset on a flat earth would look like the sun just gets smaller and smaller until it vanishes, this is not what we see, the sun doesn't get smaller, if anything it looks bigger due to atmospheric effects, the flat earth answer to this conundrum is that there is a bendy light effect near the horizon that compensates for the vanishing effect. You really should ask a flat earther how that works. What we observe in reality could not happen on a flat earth. There are plenty of pictures showing the sun half way below the horizon, how do you explain that on a flat earth model.
This picture is not possible on a flat earth.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kyKRwUPhCNk/T5Ginpsbx8I/AAAAAAAADLg/LS63g-ot0ZY/s1600/DSC08348+Kona+Sunset.jpg)
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So back to the original question of this topic -
I think Mark Sargent does a good job of exploring the background as to why they would have needed to continue to maintain the Globe Earth Ruse.
especially around 5 minutes. He begins to explain it directly.
I lost count after 20 or so factual errors and numerous unsupported assertions, but he does have a nice easy presentation style, he would make a good salesman.
Just a few of the more glaring factual errors, the earh was known to be round for thousands of years prior to Copernicus, the first pictures from space showing curvature were in the late 1940's there are in fact direct flights from Sydney to Santiago, there are millions of full disk images (not composite) of the earth from space. The space program is not militarized, most space missions are scientific, and done by universities or international agencies like ESA or JAXA or whatever the Russian one is called ROSCOSMOS? You'd think NASA was the only game in town to hear him talk. Antarctica is not a forbidden military zone, the treaty was to prohibit military and commercial activity, and promote scientific research, and on and on, the guy just doesn't stop making mistake after mistake.
I don't know about high altitude nuclear testing, but that time was in the middle of the nuclear arms race and the cold war. The dangers of radioactive fallout were only just becoming understood, and nuclear testing moved underground.
In any event isn't Mark Sargent one of the reptillian alien conspiracy guys?
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Mark Sargent you tube
Rayzor mentioned the direct flight already. Here's a thread from the other site:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62950.0#.VcLhc5O350w
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Why do people ignore Rayzors post? He just gave you the most simple proof that the Earth is not flat. It's as simple as a sunset at the oceanside. Beautiful isn't it?
In ALL my years investigating all of these arguments to understand just WHY people would believe in the FET, I have never, EVER seen one piece of evidence to support your claims.
All I see is lousy pictures taken with crappy cameras of complete unrelated stuff proving nothing but said people having the ability to push a button. Then I see said people link to youtube videos stuffed with proofs. Lousy, trailer-park productions done in Movie maker with extremely bad voice overs and edits with text done in bubblegum colours.
Hey, did you know the Chemtrail and Flat Earth theories is a billion dollar business? It's incredible how much can be made by semi-smart people, just because you're gullible.
I'm still listening though. Provide HARD evidence, not pseudo-science.
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Making us believe we are on a globe spinning on its axis (to explain the daily sky motions), revolving round the sun (to explain the yearly motion of the stars), all happening in this awful cold uninhabitable space outside that of the confines of earth, certainly makes it look more possible that there is no creator, that it all just happened "naturally". So therefore put away all of your hope for such a creator and allow the role of god to be played by TPTB because they are all you have. Meanwhile everyone outside of the domed city we call earth are laughing their asses off knowing that the fools inside have been convinced they are on some spaceship earth hurling through some vast uninviting space. But really we are inside some weird planetarium created by not so nice creatures.
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But really we are inside some weird planetarium created by not so nice creatures.
In fact the truth is we live on a spectacularly beautiful planet in a universe full of beauty and mystery.
Wake up and look around.
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A person who is born in prison and only knows prison might say the same thing as you. Read the allegory of the cave by Plato.
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A person who is born in prison and only knows prison might say the same thing as you. Read the allegory of the cave by Plato.
It's been many years, since I read Plato, but I take your point, what you say has some validity. Shadows and perception of reality, If I remember correctly.
Anyway, I like my reality better than yours, and I can prove mine is the objective reality. :)
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Making us believe we are on a globe spinning on its axis (to explain the daily sky motions), revolving round the sun (to explain the yearly motion of the stars), all happening in this awful cold uninhabitable space outside that of the confines of earth, certainly makes it look more possible that there is no creator, that it all just happened "naturally". So therefore put away all of your hope for such a creator and allow the role of god to be played by TPTB because they are all you have. Meanwhile everyone outside of the domed city we call earth are laughing their asses off knowing that the fools inside have been convinced they are on some spaceship earth hurling through some vast uninviting space. But really we are inside some weird planetarium created by not so nice creatures.
I really do not see any reason to think God is somehow not needed in a Globe World. They both have an earth and sky and something outside, the sun, moon, stars etc.. one theory is no more extraordinary than the other.
"What is the Advantage of a Globe Theory?"
It is just that the Globe Earth actually accounts for everything we observe.
Otherwise there is no advantage one way or the other. If NASA is constituting a hoax they could do it just as easily with a flat earth
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Well with a flat earth people will want to know if the earth is infinite or finite, and will go in search of an edge. The edge could very well not be a place TPTB wishes anyone to find. Maybe the edge will beyond a shadow of a doubt imply god, or maybe some nasty creatures, created this place.
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Making us believe we are on a globe spinning on its axis (to explain the daily sky motions), revolving round the sun (to explain the yearly motion of the stars), all happening in this awful cold uninhabitable space outside that of the confines of earth, certainly makes it look more possible that there is no creator, that it all just happened "naturally". So therefore put away all of your hope for such a creator and allow the role of god to be played by TPTB because they are all you have. Meanwhile everyone outside of the domed city we call earth are laughing their asses off knowing that the fools inside have been convinced they are on some spaceship earth hurling through some vast uninviting space. But really we are inside some weird planetarium created by not so nice creatures.
I really do not see any reason to think God is somehow not needed in a Globe World. They both have an earth and sky and something outside, the sun, moon, stars etc.. one theory is no more extraordinary than the other.
"What is the Advantage of a Globe Theory?"
It is just that the Globe Earth actually accounts for everything we observe.
Otherwise there is no advantage one way or the other. If NASA is constituting a hoax they could do it just as easily with a flat earth
"What is the Advantage of a Globe Theory ?" It is not really a theory. It is a fact.
Just the way every things act and really are.
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Well with a flat earth people will want to know if the earth is infinite or finite, and will go in search of an edge. The edge could very well not be a place TPTB wishes anyone to find. Maybe the edge will beyond a shadow of a doubt imply god, or maybe some nasty creatures, created this place.
I believe the evidence proves that people who like to believe in FE also do not like looking too close. (hence no planes, boats, telescopes, surveying equipment, sextants, sun observations at multiple points at the same time, etc..
There is only one experiment that has ever partially proven a flat (or flat-er) earth and that is that some objects can be seen at a slightly farther distance than the proposed circumference of the Earth would dictate. FE'ers tend to do this one over and over again.
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Well with a flat earth people will want to know if the earth is infinite or finite, and will go in search of an edge. The edge could very well not be a place TPTB wishes anyone to find. Maybe the edge will beyond a shadow of a doubt imply god, or maybe some nasty creatures, created this place.
I believe the evidence proves that people who like to believe in FE also do not like looking too close. (hence no planes, boats, telescopes, surveying equipment, sextants, sun observations at multiple points at the same time, etc..
There is only one experiment that has ever partially proven a flat (or flat-er) earth and that is that some objects can be seen at a slightly farther distance than the proposed circumference of the Earth would dictate. FE'ers tend to do this one over and over again.
Yeah well if it is admitted that the earth is flat no experiments will be needed. The only thing left would be to determine if the flat earth is finite or infinite and people would head out to find an edge. In the old days when it was admitted it was flat, that was ok because technology was not advanced enough to get there and come back alive. But today it is very possible which is partly why the globe earth model was invented. And the edge is very possibly a place TPTB does not want anyone to see. All of this is of course is just conjecture.
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Well with a flat earth people will want to know if the earth is infinite or finite, and will go in search of an edge. The edge could very well not be a place TPTB wishes anyone to find. Maybe the edge will beyond a shadow of a doubt imply god, or maybe some nasty creatures, created this place.
I believe the evidence proves that people who like to believe in FE also do not like looking too close. (hence no planes, boats, telescopes, surveying equipment, sextants, sun observations at multiple points at the same time, etc..
There is only one experiment that has ever partially proven a flat (or flat-er) earth and that is that some objects can be seen at a slightly farther distance than the proposed circumference of the Earth would dictate. FE'ers tend to do this one over and over again.
Yeah well if it is admitted that the earth is flat no experiments will be needed. The only thing left would be to determine if the flat earth is finite or infinite and people would head out to find an edge. In the old days when it was admitted it was flat, that was ok because technology was not advanced enough to get there and come back alive. But today it is very possible which is partly why the globe earth model was invented. And the edge is very possibly a place TPTB does not want anyone to see. All of this is of course is just conjecture.
On the other hand, if the so-called evidence for a flat earth are as convincing and fact-based as all FE'ers claim they are, you have to wonder why nobody has taken up the task.
My guess is, well... Convenience. It's convenient to believe in FE, because grasping the facts of RE and reproducing the results requires more knowledge, and more math. It's convenient not to investigate FE evidence in the physical realm, because, with all due respect, most FE'ers appear to me to be couch/internet warriors. It's convenient not to investigate FE evidence in the physical realm, because the original promoters and founders of the modern day version of FET sit firmly on their asses collecting massive amounts of profit on merchandise. FET leads to other ill-faced nonsense like chemtrails, illuminati (yes, you're all on that very same page) etc. All of which are estimated to be a collected billion dollar industry in the US alone.
The actual thing you're pointing fingers at with the Round earth theory facts are the sole drive of the, just to name a few, flat earth theory, illuminati, and chemtrails. The drive?
Money.
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I do not see how there is much profit in believing in a flat Earth
From what I have read you would need millions of fans t do well from YouTube commercial profit sharing, or possibly sell a book, or start a paid cult, etc..
I think this is just an honest heartfelt belief by many,
But I suppose there may be some who just like the act
-or dream of making money from it.
As far as being a "gateway" superstition?
I do not see it.
It seems to me that it is just as likely that any particular non-popular belief is about as likely as any other. A person who is susceptible to one is probably much more susceptible to others though.
They all have a common thread and that is extreme distrust.
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Well after wasting a couple of hours reading through the 4 pages of arguments in this topic to find evidence against the flat earth theory I really haven't.. I am still kind of on the fence about the idea of a flat earth, but I have an open mind and I try the to weigh the evidence... The sunset and the horizon line do not discredit the fe theory, because as the sun heads toward the horizon and sinks beneath it doesn't automatically prove that the earth is round, because as the sun heads further west it would eventually have to fade from view by crossing the horizon line whether the earth is flat or round. Really all the comments of people who say the earth is round use " the earth is round is a fact" and accept it no questions asked and call the people who believe the earth is flat ignorant, close-minded or a conspiracy theorist. None of them actually provide evidence against a flat earth.
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Well, if you had ever served in the navy or worked in air traffic control you would have absolutely no doubt that the earth was a globe and would be a bit opinionated and have serious doubts as to the sanity of anyone who even thought that the earth was a flat disc, with an ice ring around it and an ice dome above it and the moon and the sun only 3000 miles above it. We're just a bunch of opinionated snobs who also believe those people at NASA, the FAA the astronomical observatories and just about everyone else in the world aren't demons. Et cetera , et cetera and so forth ad infinitum. And a big LOL. But we do enjoy this website for the entertainment value and do try to be at least a bit tolerant and eagerly await their latest flat ideas that are posted.
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I am not sure how working in those fields relinquishes all doubt that the earth is round. Using an instrument that supposedly accounts for the curvature of the earth doesn't necessarily mean that it won't work if the earth was flat. Have you ever witnessed the horizon line form a bend? it is only natural that being higher up would allow for better visibility whether the earth was flat or round. I've been to the top of the empire state building and the horizon was still straight. What evidence is there of the earth being round? The only reason why I ever thought it was round was because that is what I was taught in school, but I have not actually seen true evidence of it. I am seriously leaning to the flat side of things. I've tried looking up a boat disappearing under the horizon on youtube and found this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYfB0B16VQA
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I am not sure how working in those fields relinquishes all doubt that the earth is round. Using an instrument that supposedly accounts for the curvature of the earth doesn't necessarily mean that it won't work if the earth was flat. Have you ever witnessed the horizon line form a bend? it is only natural that being higher up would allow for better visibility whether the earth was flat or round. I've been to the top of the empire state building and the horizon was still straight. What evidence is there of the earth being round? The only reason why I ever thought it was round was because that is what I was taught in school, but I have not actually seen true evidence of it. I am seriously leaning to the flat side of things. I've tried looking up a boat disappearing under the horizon on youtube and found this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYfB0B16VQA
First of all in reality it is just "common knowledge" that the earth is a globe and has been a known and proven fact for centuries. And there is no evidence of a flat earth.
It is a moot point anyway.
All of the following prove curvature of the earth proving the earth is globe
In the Navy.:
Ships and land passing out of view over the horizon
Measurements to the horizon dependent on height of the observer
Range of radar on certain frequencies limited to line of sight and dependent on height of antenna
Crow's nest lookouts limits of sighting limited by height of crows nests
All navy charts and maps are made from projections of the globe of the entire earth
No maps are made from flat earth maps because there are no flat earth maps of the entire earth
In the FAA
Design of certain radars whose frequencies operate line of sight and range limit by distance to the horizon, also definite depending on height of radar antenna
Certain radio frequencies operate line of sight and limited by distance to horizon
Certain radio frequencies used on microwave repeaters also operate line of sight and limited by distance to horizon
Sectional charts and maps are made from projections of the globe of the entire earth
No such thing as flat earth maps as mentioned previously
These are just a few reasons why the earth is a globe.
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First of all in reality it is just "common knowledge" that the earth is a globe and has been a known and proven fact for centuries. And there is no evidence of a flat earth.
It is a moot point anyway.
This is not acceptable proof that the earth is round... It has also been "common knowledge" since JFK's presidency that the american government has been lying to its citizens.
All of the following prove curvature of the earth proving the earth is globe
In the Navy.:
Ships and land passing out of view over the horizon
Measurements to the horizon dependent on height of the observer
Range of radar on certain frequencies limited to line of sight and dependent on height of antenna
Crow's nest lookouts limits of sighting limited by height of crows nests
All navy charts and maps are made from projections of the globe of the entire earth
No maps are made from flat earth maps because there are no flat earth maps of the entire earth
The explanation you've given me does not exactly prove the theory of a round earth, you've said that objects pass out of view over the horizon, Clearly you didn't even bother with the video, which was posted by someone who supports a round earth showing that the boat doesn't 'sink' out of view but gradually blurs away.
In the FAA
Design of certain radars whose frequencies operate line of sight and range limit by distance to the horizon, also definite depending on height of radar antenna
Certain radio frequencies operate line of sight and limited by distance to horizon
Certain radio frequencies used on microwave repeaters also operate line of sight and limited by distance to horizon
Sectional charts and maps are made from projections of the globe of the entire earth
No such thing as flat earth maps as mentioned previously
These are just a few reasons why the earth is a globe.
How does this prove that the earth is round? if they are operating at line of sight limited by the distance to the horizon, this makes the curvature of the horizon a non-factor as there is no line of sight which shows the horizon as curved.
Do you have any hard evidence of a round earth?
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First of all in reality it is just "common knowledge" that the earth is a globe and has been a known and proven fact for centuries. And there is no evidence of a flat earth.
It is a moot point anyway.
This is not acceptable proof that the earth is round... It has also been "common knowledge" since JFK's presidency that the american government has been lying to its citizens.
All of the following prove curvature of the earth proving the earth is globe
In the Navy.:
Ships and land passing out of view over the horizon
Measurements to the horizon dependent on height of the observer
Range of radar on certain frequencies limited to line of sight and dependent on height of antenna
Crow's nest lookouts limits of sighting limited by height of crows nests
All navy charts and maps are made from projections of the globe of the entire earth
No maps are made from flat earth maps because there are no flat earth maps of the entire earth
The explanation you've given me does not exactly prove the theory of a round earth, you've said that objects pass out of view over the horizon, Clearly you didn't even bother with the video, which was posted by someone who supports a round earth showing that the boat doesn't 'sink' out of view but gradually blurs away.
In the FAA
Design of certain radars whose frequencies operate line of sight and range limit by distance to the horizon, also definite depending on height of radar antenna
Certain radio frequencies operate line of sight and limited by distance to horizon
Certain radio frequencies used on microwave repeaters also operate line of sight and limited by distance to horizon
Sectional charts and maps are made from projections of the globe of the entire earth
No such thing as flat earth maps as mentioned previously
These are just a few reasons why the earth is a globe.
How does this prove that the earth is round? if they are operating at line of sight limited by the distance to the horizon, this makes the curvature of the horizon a non-factor as there is no line of sight which shows the horizon as curved.
Do you have any hard evidence of a round earth?
The bottom line is that you have to deny all reality if you wish to believe that the earth is not the globe shape that it is. And especially if you want to believe that the earth is flat.
But that is the flat earth way . If you want to believe that....It's your problem.
There is a simple formula to determine the distance to the horizon. If the earth was flat the horizon would be at an infinite distance and an indistinct blur in the distance.
Which it isn't. Under normal conditions the horizon is always a distinct line where earth and sky meet. The horizon is one of the easiest things that prove the earth is not flat.
JFK had nothing to do with age old facts about the globe.
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I am not deny the prospect of a horizon. I do not see how that is inrefutable evidence of a round earth. If you look in the distance of the horizon every thing just gets smaller and smaller until it becomes so small it merely looks like a line. If the earth was round, wouldn't that line curve in a round shape and not just be a flat line across the sky like it is?
JFK had nothing to do with age old facts about the globe.
I was unaware that NASA was around for ages.
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I am not deny the prospect of a horizon. I do not see how that is inrefutable evidence of a round earth. If you look in the distance of the horizon every thing just gets smaller and smaller until it becomes so small it merely looks like a line. If the earth was round, wouldn't that line curve in a round shape and not just be a flat line across the sky like it is?
JFK had nothing to do with age old facts about the globe.
I was unaware that NASA was around for ages.
The fact that the horizon is not always at an infinite distance and is not just a blur in the distance is proof that earth is not flat.
The fact that the horizon is a definite line between earth and sky and the distance to the horizon varies according to the height of the observer proves the curvature of the earth which proves the earth is a globe. The horizon will appear to be straight when viewed at eye level due to the enormity of the circumference of the earth. It can only be viewed as a curve from high altitudes.
The main advantage of the globe over the flat earth is that every map is based on the globe. There is no flat earth map.
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It can only be viewed as a curve from high altitudes.
I've been on an airplane as well as the top of the empire state building, and haven't witnessed this curve of which you speak... Any footage of higher altitudes such as viewing the planet from space is out of my control and can easily be manipulated in photoshop to support either the FE or RE ideas.
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It can only be viewed as a curve from high altitudes.
I've been on an airplane as well as the top of the empire state building, and haven't witnessed this curve of which you speak... Any footage of higher altitudes such as viewing the planet from space is out of my control and can easily be manipulated in photoshop to support either the FE or RE ideas.
10-11km isn't high enough, and of course you'll dismiss evidence from higher altitudes as being manipulated, because it's convenient to do so.
With all honesty, people believing in flat earth have mental issues. You might say the same, but the difference is, there's a gazillion reproducable evident facts that not just supports, but actually SHOWS that the Earth is a globe.
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It can only be viewed as a curve from high altitudes.
I've been on an airplane as well as the top of the empire state building, and haven't witnessed this curve of which you speak... Any footage of higher altitudes such as viewing the planet from space is out of my control and can easily be manipulated in photoshop to support either the FE or RE ideas.
10-11km isn't high enough, and of course you'll dismiss evidence from higher altitudes as being manipulated, because it's convenient to do so.
With all honesty, people believing in flat earth have mental issues. You might say the same, but the difference is, there's a gazillion reproducable evident facts that not just supports, but actually SHOWS that the Earth is a globe.
I have an idea - which I dare not call it a theory (LOL) - I think that a lot of the so-called "flat earthers" on this website are probably really sane "round earthers" who just make up all this dumb "flat earth stuff" to irk us other "round earthers" and argue with us ! I think it may be just a game. Of course if they really do believe the earth is flat, you just might be right about the mental issues. ::) ???
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It can only be viewed as a curve from high altitudes.
I've been on an airplane as well as the top of the empire state building, and haven't witnessed this curve of which you speak... Any footage of higher altitudes such as viewing the planet from space is out of my control and can easily be manipulated in photoshop to support either the FE or RE ideas.
10-11km isn't high enough, and of course you'll dismiss evidence from higher altitudes as being manipulated, because it's convenient to do so.
With all honesty, people believing in flat earth have mental issues. You might say the same, but the difference is, there's a gazillion reproducable evident facts that not just supports, but actually SHOWS that the Earth is a globe.
I have an idea - which I dare not call it a theory (LOL) - I think that a lot of the so-called "flat earthers" on this website are probably really sane "round earthers" who just make up all this dumb "flat earth stuff" to irk us other "round earthers" and argue with us ! I think it may be just a game. Of course if they really do believe the earth is flat, you just might be right about the mental issues. ::) ???
You and I have butt heads before about being in the Navy and not believing in a round Earth. Do you realize the fire control radar, on the Sea Sparrow GMLS, has a surface line of sight out past 30 nautical miles with a 2 degree pencil beam? In fact, It can actually track almost double that range, but you didn't hear that from me. That certainly would not be possible on a round Earth. I myself actually worked on a guided missile launching system that it's radar had a surface range of over 20+ nautical miles and that was back in the early 70's. You can believe the Earth is round all you want, but out to sea it is definitely flat as it can be.
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10-11km isn't high enough, and of course you'll dismiss evidence from higher altitudes as being manipulated, because it's convenient to do so.
That doesn't explain this video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY)
Or is about 2km enough to make that kind of difference? Either footage could've been manipulated as I did not run the experiment, and yes it is more convenient to just watch a youtube video than build a rocket, I'd bet the only time you've seen outer space is through a video too.
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You and I have butt heads before about being in the Navy and not believing in a round Earth. Do you realize the fire control radar, on the Sea Sparrow GMLS, has a surface line of sight out past 30 nautical miles with a 2 degree pencil beam? In fact, It can actually track almost double that range, but you didn't hear that from me. That certainly would not be possible on a round Earth. I myself actually worked on a guided missile launching system that it's radar had a surface range of over 20+ nautical miles and that was back in the early 70's. You can believe the Earth is round all you want, but out to sea it is definitely flat as it can be.
Here's a question for Yendor, the guided missile expert, why do Exocet missiles fly so low?
Can that fire control radar detect an Exocet flying at 1-2M 1000kph+ at 20+ nautical miles out?
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10-11km isn't high enough, and of course you'll dismiss evidence from higher altitudes as being manipulated, because it's convenient to do so.
That doesn't explain this video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY)
Or is about 2km enough to make that kind of difference? Either footage could've been manipulated as I did not run the experiment, and yes it is more convenient to just watch a youtube video than build a rocket, I'd bet the only time you've seen outer space is through a video too.
You know what? Unlike many of the flat earthers in here, I actually take it further. That's why I have posted quite a lot of money in a association of volunteers and like-minded Round Earth "believers" to provide true evidence.
Today, the first of 11 packages with equipment arrived.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQDw1JqUsAAmPvW.jpg
We will start building and testing the equipment, and will do a blog and multiple videos about what we intend to do, and also, dismiss any future accusations that we use fish-eye lenses etc. for our experiment.
As we do everything ourselfs, down to the actual propellant for the SRB, there will be no doubt that we aren't using "manipulated" materials.
Ultimately, we will in a course of approx. 10 hours, livestream the assembly, the launch etc. The tiny SRB (solid rocket booster) will be used to bring our experiment even higher than helium balloons will normally do. Our plan is to ignite the rocket as soon as the sensors detect our balloon popping, giving us, ultimately 10-15km worth of extra altitude.
Our goal is 48 km (157.480ft)
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You and I have butt heads before about being in the Navy and not believing in a round Earth. Do you realize the fire control radar, on the Sea Sparrow GMLS, has a surface line of sight out past 30 nautical miles with a 2 degree pencil beam? In fact, It can actually track almost double that range, but you didn't hear that from me. That certainly would not be possible on a round Earth. I myself actually worked on a guided missile launching system that it's radar had a surface range of over 20+ nautical miles and that was back in the early 70's. You can believe the Earth is round all you want, but out to sea it is definitely flat as it can be.
Here's a question for Yendor, the guided missile expert, why do Exocet missiles fly so low?
Can that fire control radar detect an Exocet flying at 1-2M 1000kph+ at 20+ nautical miles out?
I'm not a guided missile expert. I worked on the missile launching system. I'm not familiar with the Exocet missile. however, if it is like the Tomahawk cruise missile it flies low to try and prevent search radar from seeing it. Fire control radar does not come into play until the ship's surface/air search radar spots a possible threat. The answer to your question is probably so with today's modern radars. If the search radar sees it, the fire control radar can track it. Thanks for your question.