6:20 PM local: State Emergency management has been activated. 3 hours have elapsed since inception of the violence.
Gov. Hogan: National Guard On Alert. Confirms earlier reports from 2 hours ago.
**** 6:30 PM local
CVS now on Fire! Riot control moving in en mass. Very Hot fire. Total loss.
Baltimore Fire Scanner very active: Now confirmed on scene after PD presence arrives. protester not leaving the area.
CVS closed all other stores in the area.
Outbreaks expected at Stadium and Downtown. Sheriff's office seems to be covering this area. Local PD is working the local neighborhoods.
Dispatcher states on scanner: "we have depleted our resources here"
Commanding officer says over radio to officers: "Move in, do what you have to do to stay safe"
Additional fire crews arrive at CVS. Combatants are beginning slightly to disperse. Mostly due to smoke.
6:45 PM. Woman attacked by demonstrators. As people pull her to safety they attack again. At Fulton, 2 blks south of Pennsylvania. Had to bring in PeaceKeeper Armored vehicle to rescue her. Condition unknown.
She was pulled from a vehicle by rioters.
North and Fulton is going to hell. WBAL live feed keeps cutting out to censor reality. Trying to follow on Tactical Channels but too much chatter. Will do my best to keep you up to date.
Not good... Local media is at loss for word and voices are cracking. Something bad just happened. perhaps the woman who was beaten? I try not to editorialize, but....sheeeze.
TV channel won't film or discuss what is happening in this area from the air or ground.
6:55 PM local:
I don't like what I just heard over the scanner.
Militant Rioters and Militant activist organization and militant religious members just got what they wanted. Fuck you, you fucking bastards!
Taking a mental break. Back soon.
Back. Sorry for the outburst:
Governor has activated National Guard in light of recent events. See above.
Media is calling on all the pastors and black community to de-escalate. Anything to not show video footage. Still not showing coverage at North and Fulton. Radios were quite for a short period of time.
Beauty Fair looted.
8:30 Press conference w/ Governor
National Guard front team in tactical gear arrived at ?? Harbor. They are loaded down heavy, ammo, camelbaks, MRE's and ready to stay. M4A1's or M-16 rifles and large packs.
7.15 PM Local
Crowd control tactics and Use of force now authorized.
Large Nation of Islam Presence near North Ave and Pennsylvania.
7.30 PM local:
Scanner chatter has gone pretty quite. Probably switched to tactical and inter-department channels that I don't have access to.
Media is reporting anything but what is happening on the street in real time. or perhaps they are having the same scanner info gathering problem I'm having.
Six "juveniles" accused by police of BEATING HOMELESS PERSON. 2 arrested.
MonDawMin mall being looted. Backing their cars up to the front door and loading crap. No police presence, free for all. (Personal Commentary: Remininent to LA Riots. I'm taking bets on when the fire starts)
*****UPDATE: Looters of liquor store knocked store owner unconscious.
Two more cars on fire at North Ave.
Something BIG happening at 2500 Pennsylvania for a "Single 13"
"BFD en route?"
Google brings up: Baltimore City Department of Social Services, Family Support Services
On fire.
Dispatch: "No FD trucks available".
Unknown Officer: "10-4, all we can do is sit and watch it then"
Another Redditor has reported that Rioters are cutting fire hoses so the FD can not fight fires. Unconfirmed.
County schools closed thru Sun. May 3rd.
University College now closed.
CVS continues tho be looted. Zero police presence. 30-minutes in.
Firefighter under attack. Retreated. Car continues to burn.
Baltimore county on the way.
Howard County on scene.
Pastor jamal speaking for Family member is calling for calm and peace. he is frustrated in the actions. Said to was "supposed to be tomorrow".
Utah and Franklin near Howard and "the market" is hot spot.
Rumored that individuals are using mass transit to get downtown. Buckle up!
Mayor has issued a curfew starting TOMORROW AT 10 PM!!!!
STARTS TOMORROW!
Local BPD is "totally deployed". Overwhelmed.
+++++++++++ 15 OFFICER INJURED SO FOR. 2 STILL IN HOSPITAL.
City Councilman says "media is focusing on the negative". "Media needs to make to clear" "Opportunists are coming from out of town"
+++++++++++++++
Councilman Scott "I'm pissed off!" "Cowards are ruining our city." " I'm going out there after this meeting" "Healing to do" "Take control"
Multiple references to 1968 riots.
Mayor is "proud of the people of the community that have come out"
15 OFFICERS INJURED. 2 STILL IN HOSPITAL.
Mall is now under police control.
NEMA waiting for Governor to speak at 8.30 PM with National Guard. 4,000 TROOPS COMING.
30,00 turned away from ball game do to safety concerns.
State of Emergency Declared. Curfew in effect TOMORROW.
Sky FULL of helicopters.
Stepped away for dinner. Back.
9.27 PM Massive fire at senior citizen apartment that was under construction. BFD is battling 4 different structure fires. Wind conditions are not wor
king in their favor. Also fighting 1 car fire.
3 alarm fire. All buildings are a total loss including their contents.
A local pastor has stated that the $16 million senior house was being built by a local church for local residents.
9.40 PM
City has requested 5,000 federal troops. Also requested additional Fire Squads from adjoining cities. BFD overwhelmed.
Governor: "Glad that Mayor finally called"..."We tried unsuccessfully to contact the Mayor"
UPDATE: Crips, Bloods and Black Guerrilla Family street gangs are currently meeting with Pastors and Clergy.
A church is now set on fire! Unknown location.
Intel warning: Gang attacks on white cops might spread...
no word from Obama or Lynch.
update:
CNN: Baltimore Rioters Threatening ‘Anybody… Who Was Not African-American’ [CNN CLAIMS TO HAVE VIDEO]
9.52 PM Local
Most streets are beginning to calm.
Unnamed police source: "The rioters are resting and eating diner..." "...expect further escalation as night sets in".
Police state they are relying on licence plates and video for future investigation and prosecution.
King: My Uncle MLK JR Would 'Be Heartbroken'...
Media helicopters seem to have stood down.
Streets are beginning to settle down.
Fires continue to burn.
10:18 Local TIme: WBAL just bloopered the words "The gunshots and"
no further intel yet.
Scanner reports of looting at Broadway and ??? street.
Crowds shouting "Black Power" on Pennsylvania Ave.
Scanner channels still very quite. May be using secure tactical channels.
John Hopkins University: "Remain sheltered in place".
Looting on Boston Street. Bar and Grill looted.
Burning Senior housing unit has collapsed. Embers have ignited several homes nearby. BFD says "INTENTIONAL".
Abandoned warehouse on fire.
WJZ 13 reports "Trail of destruction"
10:30 PM Local
TEN other Fire Companies arriving from neighboring towns/counties.
Police chase at Belvedere and York is over. Suspect 90 MPH. Car wrecked, hit pole. Suspect bailed. Foot pursuit.
Extensive damage.
11 pm tonight Family will be speaking.
Local Gov't to have press conference.
Yet another vehicle fire at Fulton and North Ave.
Aquarium events cancelled for tomorrow.
10:40 PM Local
Police briefing update at 11 PM local time.
Man seen walking north on Broadway with a gun.
http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=2733.0Agreed. They are a disgrace to America and Humanity. They do not deserve to live.
In any case, fuck them. I don't care what incident sparked these riots, how oppressed these assholes feel, or any of that crap. They just need to be put down.
In any case, fuck them. I don't care what incident sparked these riots, how oppressed these assholes feel, or any of that crap. They just need to be put down.B-but racism :(
That's actually a cross-post from a kooky blog (https://radfag.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/in-support-of-baltimore-or-smashing-police-cars-is-logical-political-strategy/), rather than Salon's official editorial position or whatever, but they still shouldn't be giving nuts a bigger platform like this.Thanks for the source. However, I would argue that anything published on their platform becomes their official stance unless they explicitly state otherwise. This appears to be common practice in other media.
Black power, Queer power, power to Baltimore, and to all oppressed people who know what time it is.It's 19:32. Fuck yeah.
But seriously, I think the disenfranchised black youth needs an influential leader. Kind of like how Ghandi and King were able to stop their followers from rioting, for the most part.And, hopefully, such a leader could convince them that there isn't a big bad white conspiracy out there to get them. Perhaps then they can focus on education and becoming productive members of society, eventually dispelling any myths that may haunt them today.
But seriously, I think the disenfranchised black youth needs an influential leader. Kind of like how Ghandi and King were able to stop their followers from rioting, for the most part.And, hopefully, such a leader could convince them that there isn't a big bad white conspiracy out there to get them. Perhaps then they can focus on education and becoming productive members of society, eventually dispelling any myths that may haunt them today.
Even if that were true, it's not gonna happen. Even if it were true that racism doesn't exist anymore, having magically died out in the 70s, and even if it were true that there isn't any systematic racism in place that is outside the control of any particular individual, anyone professing such beliefs is never gonna popular among blacks.My God, I hope the liberal arts college effect will slowly dissipate after you're done studying, as it does with most people. You've become insufferable.
Even if that were true, it's not gonna happen. Even if it were true that racism doesn't exist anymore, having magically died out in the 70s, and even if it were true that there isn't any systematic racism in place that is outside the control of any particular individual, anyone professing such beliefs is never gonna popular among blacks.My God, I hope the liberal arts college effect will slowly dissipate after you're done studying, as it does with most people. You've become insufferable.
But I'd hope we can at least agree that the chance of anyone who agrees with you on this becoming this hypothetical charismatic leader is approximately 0%I do agree. To quote IRC:
But I'd hope we can at least agree that the chance of anyone who agrees with you on this becoming this hypothetical charismatic leader is approximately 0%I do agree. To quote IRC:
<Blanko> MLK wouldn't be listened to in the modern day
<Blanko> He wouldn't be progressive enough
<pizaaplanet> Yeah, I honestly don't think a single figurehead could do anything about this
<Blanko> Expecting blacks to be respectable members of society is too much to ask nowadays
<pizaaplanet> We need progressives to stop inciting their violence
So if I'm reading this right, you're basically making Booker T. Washington's argument that blacks can only achieve true equality with whites by earning it, right?Close enough. I think that true equality can only be achieved if everyone works towards it, but I do think the majority of the work needs to be done by blacks. Not because it's just, not because it's righteous, but because it's the kind of work that nobody else can really do.
I can get behind that, to some extent. But my issue with it is that not much happened during Washington's time. It was only when Du Bois took over and the black rights movement became more militant that change started happening. It might be true that without the progress Washington made Du Bois and the NAACP never would have been successful, but I really don't think Washington's perspective alone is enough to change anything.Washington's approach is the only way to achieve actual equality. More militant actions took us where we are now - to the very brink of a class war. Yes, the alternative is slow and arduous, but it's the only real option we have.
Here's the way I think about race issues. At this point, it's more socio-economic than anything else. I'm sure we can all agree on that. There are large clusters of impoverished people in America, and those clusters are largely african american just because that's how it's always been. Kids in the inner cities are given worse educations and end up with learned helplessness, which (among various other factors) contributes to a self-perpetuating system of racial inequality.Absolutely. That's exactly what it is, in my opinion.
Obviously poor people in the inner city are gonna be more violent and have higher rates of crime and substance abuse than over groups. Since poor people in the inner city are largely black, that translates to black populations having those same issues. That, in turn, leads to inherent biases and racist inclinations among both the the general population and (probably even more so) law enforcement. That translates to police discrimination against blacks, which leads to a) even more learned helplessness, which is most of the problem in the first place, and b) more police brutality toward blacks.Yup. Still with you.
The research I've read on the issue suggests that police are faster to consider blacks threats, and faster to pull the trigger on them. That's a problem. (source (http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1798&issue_id=5200)). However, there's also evidence that in certain situations police will actually hesitate to pull the trigger on a minority due to fear of repurcussions (source (https://news.wsu.edu/2014/09/02/deadly-force-lab-finds-racial-disparities-in-shootings/#.VUBCtFUUzGf)). The second source is from after Ferguson and found that, although EEGs record more severe and immediate threat responses in simulations involving an african american, they hesitated slightly (22 ms) longer to shoot out of fear of consequences.That's certainly a problem, but I don't think it can be tackled directly. It's a result of more deeply rooted issues. We can't stop people from wondering about whether or not black people are more likely to be criminals when they currently factually more often engage in criminal activity.
The above suggests that a) police discrimination is part of the problem, b) police discrimination is fixable, and
c) the current round of riots and protests is probably doing a lot to change the behaviors of police officers.Yes, for the worse. I think Blanko (in my IRC quote) in spot-on: any progress that has been made towards ensuring equality between the races is currently being undone by black rioters and the liberal inciters of violence.
Pizza: what part of that opinion makes me insufferable? Or was that just my tone?Part of it is your tone (but I can't fault you for that - my tone is much worse, and I take an adjustment for that), but most of it is how dogmatic you are about your views. You seem to state as a matter of fact that African Americans currently suffer from enormous amounts of institutionalised racism, and that they're fighting for equality and acknowledgement.
Anyway, do you agree? I know you disagree that police discrimination is real, but at what point do our opinions start diverging?I agree that there are some racist issues in America. I could, with extreme caution, consider the possibility that some of it is down to trace amounts of institutionalised racism still lurking somewhere within the system. I don't think that's the case, but I could entertain that thought.
it's not something that some guy sitting at his computer totally has all figured out and that everyone else just needs to listen as God's words flow from his lips.Thank you for stating the obvious. Now, let's go back to the actual discussion, bearing in mind that it is, indeed, a discussion and nothing else.
police aiming more of their patrols at minority communities due to the higher crime rates there
Not sure how reliable motherjones is, but this is an interesting take on the situation. If it's true, my opinion has changed slightly. I mean, sure, fuck rioters, but I would largely blame the police response for the current situation. Large groups of people are pretty predictable. It takes a real idiot to decide that the best way to control a crowd is to do everything in your power to piss them off.
Not sure how reliable motherjones is, but this is an interesting take on the situation. If it's true, my opinion has changed slightly. I mean, sure, fuck rioters, but I would largely blame the police response for the current situation. Large groups of people are pretty predictable. It takes a real idiot to decide that the best way to control a crowd is to do everything in your power to piss them off.
I'm looting this pharmacy and its the police's fault?
Individuals have freedom of choice and personal responsibility. Massive crowds, not so much. A crowd is both more and less than just the sum of the individuals in it, and the actions the police took pretty much ensured that the crowd would turn into a riot (according to motherjones, which, as I said, I'm not sure about as a source). Any individual has responsibility for the actions they take, but it seems like the police have responsibility for inciting the riot. Completely different type of at-fault. I'm not saying that the rioters shouldn't get pepper-sprayed and locked up, I'm just saying that if the police hadn't flipped the fuck out the might not have been a riot in the first place. Also, not letting people go home is the opposite of crowd control. The point of crowd control is to make the crowd disperse, not make it as big and unruly as possible. I can't fathom what the police were thinking. I guess they were just afraid.
Also, armchair generaling
Individuals have freedom of choice and personal responsibility. Massive crowds, not so much. A crowd is both more and less than just the sum of the individuals in it, and the actions the police took pretty much ensured that the crowd would turn into a riot (according to motherjones, which, as I said, I'm not sure about as a source). Any individual has responsibility for the actions they take, but it seems like the police have responsibility for inciting the riot. Completely different type of at-fault. I'm not saying that the rioters shouldn't get pepper-sprayed and locked up, I'm just saying that if the police hadn't flipped the fuck out the might not have been a riot in the first place. Also, not letting people go home is the opposite of crowd control. The point of crowd control is to make the crowd disperse, not make it as big and unruly as possible. I can't fathom what the police were thinking. I guess they were just afraid.
Also, armchair generaling
I'm not falling for this le epic ruse. No one thinks this way.
No one thinks what way? Inciting a riot is fucked up. If you incite a riot you have some responsibility for the fact that a riot is happening. How is this a controversial line of thinking?
Some serious strawmanning going on here.
The entirety of what I said here was 'hey, according to this article the Baltimore police made some idiotic decisions that helped start the riot. I guess it's a bit more gray than just rioters ruining everything as usual, although I'm not sure about how reliable this source is'. I never said 'everything is the police's fault and we're all just victims'. That is not a position I have ever had or made. Being a police officer is really fucking hard, and although there are certainly some bad seeds I think that the police is general are not the problem. I think they reacted badly to this situation. If that's the case, then the solution would be for the Baltimore PD to admit that they fucked up and to change their policies (or create policies, if they don't exist) for future incidents. It's not like I'm saying we should lock up all the police.
Some serious strawmanning going on here.
The entirety of what I said here was 'hey, according to this article the Baltimore police made some idiotic decisions that helped start the riot. I guess it's a bit more gray than just rioters ruining everything as usual, although I'm not sure about how reliable this source is'. I never said 'everything is the police's fault and we're all just victims'. That is not a position I have ever had or made. Being a police officer is really fucking hard, and although there are certainly some bad seeds I think that the police is general are not the problem. I think they reacted badly to this situation. If that's the case, then the solution would be for the Baltimore PD to admit that they fucked up and to change their policies (or create policies, if they don't exist) for future incidents. It's not like I'm saying we should lock up all the police.
It is literally a case of rioters ruining everything as usual. These people are dumbasses, and no amount of "cops incited them!" will change that. People who are reacting to cops being assholes aren't actually going to go "well, I'm going to rob the CVS, so take that!"
No one comes to the conclusion that if cops are mean to me I should rob more stores. Just like no one comes to the conclusion that this is anything other than the rioters' faults. Goddammit your stupid le epic ruse worked.
Have you actually read the article? I feel like you're arguing against a position I'm not making.
Have you actually read the article?
No amount of police incitement justifies actually starting a riot.
What caused the people who rioted to act as they did? They're all just a bunch of assholes.For the record, I don't think they're assholes. I think they're misguided, not malicious.
I think Tausami is going the route of slight victim blaming. Was it the woman's fault that the man raped her? No. But it would never have happened if she hadn't been drunk in a rough neighborhood and dressed in a tight dress with hooker boots.
Is that what you're saying?
Who is ultimately responsible for the crime and violence of the Baltimore riots? The people doing the crime and the violence. I don't think anyone actually disputes this.
What caused the people who rioted to act as they did? They're all just a bunch of assholes. This is where I diverge from people like Irush and PP (and I think it's what Tausami is trying to dispute, but I don't want to speak for Tausami).
Anyone who thinks this is any more complicated than 'violent assholes acted like violent assholes' is an intolerable, brainwashed idiot who can't think for themselves, or who has some bizarre ulterior motive for arguing against a position that they know must be false. This is why I can never take your divergence seriously.
Calm down! The Democrats have only been in charge of Baltimore for 67 years. Give them time to turn things around.
Too bad the largely Republican corporations shipped the jobs overseas for cheaper wages.
Too bad the union-beholden Dems taxed the corporations to death, necessitating their move overseas just to remain competitive.
Actually, forget what I just said. It's all because of the gays.Which is odd since he says "one or two parent" households. Which I agree with. If a single person has to raise a child alone, its hard and often results in less time with the child.
Texas GOP lawmaker: ‘What is going on in Baltimore’ is because of too many gay marriages - Raw Story (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/texas-gop-lawmaker-what-is-going-on-in-baltimore-is-because-of-too-many-gay-marriages/)
Coming with the same disclaimer as Tausami's Mother Jones article (i.e. I don't know how reliable the source is), this could be a very interesting turn of events if it happened to be true.
Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html)
Can't say I believe that he did this to himself, but it's probably worth watching this space. Also, the comments section is hilarious:Quote from: notstandinginlineCalm down! The Democrats have only been in charge of Baltimore for 67 years. Give them time to turn things around.Quote from: mcaflaToo bad the largely Republican corporations shipped the jobs overseas for cheaper wages.Quote from: JackBootedThugToo bad the union-beholden Dems taxed the corporations to death, necessitating their move overseas just to remain competitive.
No, YOU did Baltimore!
Quotepolice aiming more of their patrols at minority communities due to the higher crime rates there
I guess I'm failing to see how this is racist. If patrols are directed at neighborhoods with a higher crime rate than that has little to do with their race. Sure there is a correlation, but it's not direct racism. If white neighborhoods had a higher crime rate than police would focus on those areas, it's as simple as that. Which seems pretty non-discriminatory to me.
but as long as socio-economic classes correlate with race, it's still a race problem.Ah, I think you've just uncovered the core of our disagreement!
Maybe ending the war against drugs and improving schools would help, but no one is really fighting for those issues when talking about race problems.This, a thousand times this.
But I think people are trying to work backwards.
They want people to stop discriminating based on color, but they still live in bad neighborhoods. Rather than just trying to change everyone's perceptions which are based on socio-economic reasons, we should change socio-economic disparities so that those perceptions are no longer based on anything concrete.
You can't destroy your town and hope to prove to people that you're a valuable and contributing member of society. You have to become a contributing member of society.
Especially since you do have to have fairly exceptional to get your own rags-to-riches story, and you generally don't bring anyone outside your immediate family with you when you rise.That's pretty sad that you'd think working hard, staying out of trouble, and saving money is an exceptional quality from a poor person. People work themselves up all the time. I'd say other minorities tend to do it better than blacks because they seem to understand personal responsibility better.
I love seeing those reasonable and responsible people speak up.
I'm not. I think they have the right attitude and it's good to see them shame all the rioters damaging their own community.I love seeing those reasonable and responsible people speak up.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not.
Especially since you do have to have fairly exceptional to get your own rags-to-riches story, and you generally don't bring anyone outside your immediate family with you when you rise.That's pretty sad that you'd think working hard, staying out of trouble, and saving money is an exceptional quality from a poor person. People work themselves up all the time. I'd say other minorities tend to do it better than blacks because they seem to understand personal responsibility better.
I don't have a lot of respect for people who destroy shops and others' livelihoods because they're angry that the government isn't taking care of them.
You're asking me how we can give people an immediate benefit to being poor and black. There isn't one. If you expect immediate results and then act like a violent child when you don't get them, you have no one to blame but yourself. It takes a lifetime of work to provide a better future.
No one has said any strawmans in this argument but you. It is becoming pretty clear that even you have no idea what your argument is, since the words you are saying so clearly don't match your apparent stance on the issue. Maybe you need to take a writing class.
So how do we change socio-economic disparities in such a way that the people currently dealing with them will see some improvement in their own lives before they die?
Honestly, I don't know how you think I argued against a question. I said there was no immediate fix, just hard work and personal responsibility. That's not an argument, that's an answer.
I want to know how you think that racial issues haven't improved. I am genuinely curious how you don't think we're in a better position now than we were in the 60s and 70s. Hell, we've already experienced a huge change for the better in the lives of any blacks that were born before the 60s.
My first assumption would be that the stagnation is due to a certain attitude and mindset rather than a lack of opportunity. There are loans and scholarships aplenty out there for the taking. But now instead of blaming themselves, they choose to blame the government and law enforcement. So I think it might actually keep declining if they refuse to work for their own improvement.
And I'm not judging the poor. I was born into a single parent household of working class. All of my toys and clothes were my brothers' hand me downs. There were several black families in my neighborhood where the kids my age ended up addicted to drugs or having young babies. But I did stay out of trouble, go to college with a scholarship for my good grades, and learn to budget and spend responsibly with no help from my family. So I may not have started from the bottom, but I didn't have even a middle class start yet I still pulled myself up. Of course this is an anecdote, but I just want you to understand that I don't judge them as being inferior and I know it can be done.
My first assumption would be that the stagnation is due to a certain attitude and mindset rather than a lack of opportunity. There are loans and scholarships aplenty out there for the taking. But now instead of blaming themselves, they choose to blame the government and law enforcement. So I think it might actually keep declining if they refuse to work for their own improvement.Rooster is black? ???
And I'm not judging the poor. I was born into a single parent household of working class. All of my toys and clothes were my brothers' hand me downs. There were several black families in my neighborhood where the kids my age ended up addicted to drugs or having young babies. But I did stay out of trouble, go to college with a scholarship for my good grades, and learn to budget and spend responsibly with no help from my family. So I may not have started from the bottom, but I didn't have even a middle class start yet I still pulled myself up. Of course this is an anecdote, but I just want you to understand that I don't judge them as being inferior and I know it can be done.
My first assumption would be that the stagnation is due to a certain attitude and mindset rather than a lack of opportunity. There are loans and scholarships aplenty out there for the taking. But now instead of blaming themselves, they choose to blame the government and law enforcement. So I think it might actually keep declining if they refuse to work for their own improvement.Rooster is black? ???
And I'm not judging the poor. I was born into a single parent household of working class. All of my toys and clothes were my brothers' hand me downs. There were several black families in my neighborhood where the kids my age ended up addicted to drugs or having young babies. But I did stay out of trouble, go to college with a scholarship for my good grades, and learn to budget and spend responsibly with no help from my family. So I may not have started from the bottom, but I didn't have even a middle class start yet I still pulled myself up. Of course this is an anecdote, but I just want you to understand that I don't judge them as being inferior and I know it can be done.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us/freddie-gray-autopsy-report-given-to-baltimore-prosecutors.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us/freddie-gray-autopsy-report-given-to-baltimore-prosecutors.html)I know right?
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Now all those people will think that when you think someone is guilty, a riot will get them arrested and charged.Yes, sadly. Even the photos in this article still mention Mike Brown among the people who need justice.
Although I too am beginning to question some of the deaths in police custody of various people, albeit not all, and I am certainly in favour of people having the right to peaceful protest, the minute it turns to looting and rampage, they should be met with automatic weapons, and their bodies should be left in the street for three days as an example to others who would pull the same shit. Kill the bastards on sight, I don't care if they are black, brown, white, green, or purple, Jew, Gentile, or what.Feel tough?
Killing all of the rioters would cause many, many more problems than it would solve.
Considering how many illegals die on route every year, I don't think your reality matches up with actual reality.Killing all of the rioters would cause many, many more problems than it would solve.
I don't think you would have to kill all of them. Just kill a sufficient number of them to indicate that you are NOT fucking around, and that any further bullshit will be dealt with accordingly. Impose martial law, and go from there. The same thing should be done at our borders. An announcement should be made in the UN. As of this date, at 0800 hours, anyone who crosses the border without authorisation will be shot on site, and the military will be present in force to enforce that command. You would kill the first five that tried. No one else, or at least very few, would be stupid enough to make the attempt. End of story.
And then there's this (https://twitter.com/hashtag/blackspring). I'm not entirely sure what it means yet.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring
I got the reference. I'm just not sure how it's going to apply here.I strongly doubt it's going to actually apply. It's just nice to mask your violence, looting, and vandalism as a glorious revolution for social change.
The only difference between rioters and warriors of social justice is who prevails.I got the reference. I'm just not sure how it's going to apply here.I strongly doubt it's going to actually apply. It's just nice to mask your violence, looting, and vandalism as a glorious revolution for social change.
Although I too am beginning to question some of the deaths in police custody of various people, albeit not all, and I am certainly in favour of people having the right to peaceful protest, the minute it turns to looting and rampage, they should be met with automatic weapons, and their bodies should be left in the street for three days as an example to others who would pull the same shit. Kill the bastards on sight, I don't care if they are black, brown, white, green, or purple, Jew, Gentile, or what.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
I don't classify it as cruel or unusual.
You're right. I guess I just doubt that this will actually lead to anything. I hope I'm not wrong.
I like to be hopeful. I mean, how often in recent history do we say 'oh yeah, that massive wave of protests across America never led to anything'.We don't. Nobody talks about pointless waves of crime after they have been dealt with. How often do you hear about the recent London riots, for example?
It could be good or it could be bad, but I imagine something will happen.Well, yeah, I suppose electronics prices might go up a bit.
Occupy Wallstreet. Massive protests. Lead to nothing in the end.You're right. I guess I just doubt that this will actually lead to anything. I hope I'm not wrong.
I like to be hopeful. I mean, how often in recent history do we say 'oh yeah, that massive wave of protests across America never led to anything'. It could be good or it could be bad, but I imagine something will happen.
I don't classify it as cruel or unusual.
That's because you're a psychopath :)
I don't classify it as cruel or unusual.
That's because you're a psychopath :)
Funny, a lot of the websites I am reading seem to agree with me as of late. In fact, this is one of the few that doesn't.
I don't classify it as cruel or unusual.
That's because you're a psychopath :)
Funny, a lot of the websites I am reading seem to agree with me as of late. In fact, this is one of the few that doesn't.
Of course, the same people burning down their own neighbourhoods are going to be crying "racism" in two years when those neighbourhoods haven't been rebuilt by the government and private industry. They will continue to collect their welfare checks, and of course they will have their looted flatscreen TVs, and of course the latest shoes and smart-phones.
There are multiple psychopath websites?
I don't classify it as cruel or unusual.
That's because you're a psychopath :)
Funny, a lot of the websites I am reading seem to agree with me as of late. In fact, this is one of the few that doesn't.
There are multiple psychopath websites?
Don't you guys know that tbis whole thing is a hoax.
Freddy Gray, comes between the white and black people, therefore Gray.
Between the 6 six cops, there were cops named White, Rice, Ceasar and Nemo.
I saw a lady getting interviewed n tv, she was an actress on the Wire. She said she knew Freddy Gray, the the interviewer asked how she happened to know Gray. She said she knew him just from hanging outside in the neighborhood. Baltimore is a small city where, where everybidy knows everybody. That is just plain bs, I work in the hoods in Baltimore all the time. People usually don't know who lives directly next door. I'm just not buying the story of spontaneus uprising.