The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Community => Topic started by: Matthew G. Bianco on February 26, 2015, 09:45:05 PM
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What are with all these pictures that people say satellites took? Appearantly the earth looks really round based on these pictures, but the question is, are any of these genuine pictures? Even further, are any of these satellites in space real? What happens to these rockets that launch supposedly out into outer space?
This shoud be the most used argument against a flat earth "well, astronauts don't ever see it flat!"
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Hi Matthew,
I think I replied to your question, but maybe there was a technical issue.
Maybe you have the change to talk to an astronaut who can tell you his experience. Or you could try to become an astronaut yourself! Then you can find out reality for yourself.
But, honestly, according to my knowledge and experience, the earth is round!
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the pictures are actually paintings.
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http://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy
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the pictures are actually paintings.
Any evidence to back that up or just your opinion?
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"Humans cannot be trusted" is not a proof for a conspiracy.
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Hi Matthew,
I think I replied to your question, but maybe there was a technical issue.
Maybe you have the change to talk to an astronaut who can tell you his experience. Or you could try to become an astronaut yourself! Then you can find out reality for yourself.
But, honestly, according to my knowledge and experience, the earth is round!
If you believe the Earth is round than it would be a pear shaped, A earth spinning fast is like dough of a pizza spinning and eventually it would flatten out, than people could really see the curvature of the earth.
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Hi Matthew,
I think I replied to your question, but maybe there was a technical issue.
Maybe you have the change to talk to an astronaut who can tell you his experience. Or you could try to become an astronaut yourself! Then you can find out reality for yourself.
But, honestly, according to my knowledge and experience, the earth is round!
If you believe the Earth is round than it would be a pear shaped, A earth spinning fast is like dough of a pizza spinning and eventually it would flatten out, than people could really see the curvature of the earth.
You come up with "If you believe the Earth is round than it would be a pear shaped". It looks like you picked up a bit of a requote from Neil deGrasse Tyson that left out some important information - yes, slightly pear shaped, but since the polar diameter is 7899 miles and the equatorial diameter is 7926 miles it would look almost perfectly round in any photo you are likely to see.
Then you go on and come out with "A earth spinning fast is like dough of a pizza spinning". Well maybe an "earth spinning fast" might, but the earth is really spinning quite slowly - one revolution in about 23.93 hours (one sidereal day), or 0.000696 rpm!
We can calculate the centripetal acceleration from the earth's rotation by using Acent = (v^2)/RE. Easiest in SI units, so: The surface velocity at the equator is about 1671 kph, or 464 m/s.
The earth's equatorial radius is around 6,366,000 m. Hence the centripetal acceleration is Acent = (v^2)/RE = 0.034 m/sec^2.
Compare this with g of at the North Pole of 9.83 m/sec^2. So the centripetal acceleration is almost neglible compared to the gravitational acceleration!
Really, I think you need a better script writer. If you are thinking these up fro yourself, learn a bit more about the globe before coming out with more half-baked ideas!
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Rabinoz Where do you get off on talking to newbies like that? Do you feel superior now? Well done, im so pleased for you.
Mathias, of course the pictures took from so called outer space are fake. Its obvious these pictures are being used as proof for globe earth which is no proof at all. Other than these photos there is no proof that the earth is round. There is plenty of proof that the earth is flat and not moving.
Is there a shill infestation in this forum?
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Plenty of shills on here, loud , voicetrous, rude know it alls. Flatters are so nice, we even let them stay here, although sometimes I wonder why?
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Rabinoz Where do you get off on talking to newbies like that? Do you feel superior now? Well done, im so pleased for you.
Mathias, of course the pictures took from so called outer space are fake. Its obvious these pictures are being used as proof for globe earth which is no proof at all. Other than these photos there is no proof that the earth is round. There is plenty of proof that the earth is flat and not moving.
Is there a shill infestation in this forum?
When someone makes a statement like this:
"If you believe the Earth is round than it would be a pear shaped, A earth spinning fast is like dough of a pizza spinning and eventually it would flatten out, than people could really see the curvature of the earth."
He did not come up with words like this himself, clearly he read if from quotes taken out of context elsewhere!
This bit: "it would be a pear shaped", is just a scrap taken from Neil deGrasse Tyson, with the following explanation left out.
Likewise "A earth spinning fast is like dough of a pizza" is such a stupid statement. Again I don't blame Jarimee, but the general approach of making completely incorrect and misleading statements about the globe.
Don't blame me, the blame rests squarely on flat earth supporters (probably on Youtube) that take quote out of context try to make the "spinning ball" look ridiculous.
No, I don't feel superior, but how can I let silly statements about the globe stand?
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Rabinoz. You completely shut Jarimee down.......not nice.
Just look at the photos on google of Mars or even earth. They are all different. The path finder photos look like they are from earth.
What worries me is why are they going to these lengths to deceive us so much?
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Rabinoz. You completely shut Jarimee down.......not nice.
Just look at the photos on google of Mars or even earth. They are all different. The path finder photos look like they are from earth.
What worries me is why are they going to these lengths to deceive us so much?
They need to maintain the illusion of a space program to intimidate other countries into submission. By claiming to have nukes and rockets to get into orbit America was able to become the world's leading super power after WWII. This is ultimate power that can annihilate countries at the push of a button, and must be maintained.
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They need to maintain the illusion of a space program to intimidate other countries into submission.
What about countries like Japan which have space programs but no nukes?
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They need to maintain the illusion of a space program to intimidate other countries into submission.
What about countries like Japan which have space programs but no nukes?
According to a 2014 report they may be developing nukes, which would compliment its developing space program: http://www.infowars.com/report-japan-secretly-developing-nuclear-weapons/
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They need to maintain the illusion of a space program to intimidate other countries into submission.
What about countries like Japan which have space programs but no nukes?
According to a 2014 report they may be developing nukes, which would compliment its developing space program: http://www.infowars.com/report-japan-secretly-developing-nuclear-weapons/
Why would Japan start their space agency nearly 60 years before they start working on nukes (that is of course assuming that the article is true)?
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They need to maintain the illusion of a space program to intimidate other countries into submission.
What about countries like Japan which have space programs but no nukes?
According to a 2014 report they may be developing nukes, which would compliment its developing space program: http://www.infowars.com/report-japan-secretly-developing-nuclear-weapons/
Why would Japan start their space agency nearly 60 years before they start working on nukes (that is of course assuming that the article is true)?
Japan has been relying on international partners (NASA) for those 60 years to do things like put up satellites (stratellites\pseudolites). It is only recently that they have been moving towards an independent space agency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAXA
As JAXA shifted away from international efforts beginning in 2005, plans are developing for independent space missions, such as a proposed manned mission to the moon.
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Japan has been relying on international partners (NASA) for those 60 years to do things like put up satellites (stratellites\pseudolites). It is only recently that they have been moving towards an independent space agency.
Incorrect. Although they have used variations of some American designs, Japan was launching its own satellites as early as 1970 using their own rocket designs.
The Lambda 4S or L-4S was an experimental Japanese expendable carrier rocket. It was produced by Nissan and the Institute of Space and Astronautical Science and launched five times between 1966 and 1970 with Ōsumi technology demonstration satellites. The first four launches failed, however the fifth, launched on 11 February 1970, successfully placed Ōsumi-5, the first Japanese satellite, into orbit.
Also:
The Mu, also known as M, was a series of Japanese solid-fuelled carrier rockets, which were launched from Uchinoura between 1966 and 2006. Originally developed by Japan's Institute of Space and Astronautical Science, Mu rockets were later operated by Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency following its merger with ISAS.
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Japan has been relying on international partners (NASA) for those 60 years to do things like put up satellites (stratellites\pseudolites). It is only recently that they have been moving towards an independent space agency.
Incorrect. Although they have used variations of some American designs, Japan was launching its own satellites as early as 1970 using their own rocket designs.
The Lambda 4S or L-4S was an experimental Japanese expendable carrier rocket. It was produced by Nissan and the Institute of Space and Astronautical Science and launched five times between 1966 and 1970 with Ōsumi technology demonstration satellites. The first four launches failed, however the fifth, launched on 11 February 1970, successfully placed Ōsumi-5, the first Japanese satellite, into orbit.
Also:
The Mu, also known as M, was a series of Japanese solid-fuelled carrier rockets, which were launched from Uchinoura between 1966 and 2006. Originally developed by Japan's Institute of Space and Astronautical Science, Mu rockets were later operated by Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency following its merger with ISAS.
The Wiki admits that those projects up to at least 2005 required international collaborators (NASA). Japan had yet to show that it could operate a spacecraft independently, the litmus test for a space power. Perhaps they brought some technologies to the table with those projects, but it is unclear who participated in what and under which rules.
Countries like the Netherlands may claim to be a "space power," but they have no rockets, no satellites, and only make that claim because they once paid NASA a lot of money to put a couple of Dutch nationals on the Shuttle/ISS. Hardly a space power. You are only a space power once your space agency can operate independently.
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The Wiki admits that those projects up to at least 2005 required international collaborators (NASA).
Where does Wikipedia admit that NASA collaboration was required for those projects? How do you know which projects NASA collaborated on and which ones were entirely Japanese home gown?
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The Wiki admits that those projects up to at least 2005 required international collaborators (NASA).
Where does Wikipedia admit that NASA collaboration was required for those projects? How do you know which projects NASA collaborated on and which ones were entirely Japanese home gown?
Well, they plainly admit that their projects are mainly led by NASA on their website.
See the bolded below:
http://global.jaxa.jp/activity/int/
International cooperation between the United States and Japan started in 1969, when "The Japan-U.S. Joint Communique" on cooperation in space development was exchanged. Since then, JAXA has been participating in international projects, which have been mainly led by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
The JAXA wiki clearly states that the projects up until at least 2005 were international projects. Now this page is saying that the international projects were mainly led by NASA.
Therefore we see that, surprise surprise, NASA has been leading JAXA space projects.
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Since when does participating in international projects preclude Japan from carrying out their own home grown space missions at the same time?
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Since when does participating in international projects preclude Japan from carrying out their own home grown space missions at the same time?
The Wiki says that missions up to at least 2005 were international co-ops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAXA
As JAXA shifted away from international efforts beginning in 2005, plans are developing for independent space missions, such as a proposed manned mission to the moon.
If "plans are developing" for an independent space mission, then it means that they have not had one at the time that was written.
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Where does it say that Japan's space agencies exclusively participated in international projects?
Are you saying that every single satellite that Japan launched before 2005 was an international effort?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Space_and_Astronautical_Science#Before_establishment_of_JAXA
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Where does it say that Japan's space agencies exclusively participated in international projects?
If "plans are developing" for an independent space mission, then it means that they have not had one at the time that was written.
Are you saying that every single satellite that Japan launched before 2005 was an international effort?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Space_and_Astronautical_Science#Before_establishment_of_JAXA
That's what the JAXA Wikipedia and home pages say.
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Where does it say that Japan's space agencies exclusively participated in international projects?
If "plans are developing" for an independent space mission, then it means that they have not had one at the time that was written.
Not necessarily. It could mean that they done both collaborations and independent missions in the past and want to focus on independent missions going forwards.
Are you saying that every single satellite that Japan launched before 2005 was an international effort?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Space_and_Astronautical_Science#Before_establishment_of_JAXA
That's what the JAXA Wikipedia and home pages say.
No, that's your interpretation of what they say.
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Here is another source with different phrasing:
https://books.google.com/books?id=LrWAoxzNzRMC&lpg=PA28&ots=mgYIEeqHNt&dq=%22jaxa%22%20%22international%20efforts%22&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q&f=false
Following a shift away from international efforts in 2005, JAXA plans to perform its own space missions, including a proposed manned mission to the moon.
This one clearly says that they are planning to perform their own space missions after 2005. Why would they need to plan to perform their own space missions if they had already been performing their own space missions for decades?
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Lets look at the job employment sections on the JAXA page for the types of jobs they are filling:
http://global.jaxa.jp/about/employ/index.html
Project Research Associate
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) calls for young researchers participation in various aerospace projects with specialized knowledge which promote the projects more effectively and efficiently.
Internship
JAXA offers an internship program for students with a strong interest in space aeronautics to have on-site job experience related to their major and their future careers.
Job Announcement for One Associate Professor Position (full time) at ISAS
JAXA seeks to recruit an associate professor (Academic staff) at Department of Solar System Sciences, Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS).
Job Announcement for One Professor Position at ISAS
JAXA seeks to recruit a professor (Academic staff) at Department of Space Astronomy and Astrophysics, Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS).
JAXA Aerospace Project Research Associate recruitment 2015
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) calls for young researchers participation in various aerospace projects with specialized knowledge which promote the projects more effectively and efficiently.
Job Announcement for One Associate Professor Position (full time) at ISAS
JAXA seeks to recruit an associate professor (Academic staff) at Department of Space Flight Systems, Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS).
Job Announcement for One Associate Professor Position (full time) at ISAS
JAXA seeks to recruit an associate professor (Academic staff) at Department of Space Flight Systems, Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS).
All theoretical positions, mainly concerned with writing research papers to show off on their website. What about all of the aerospace engineers, space flight operators, and technicians to make the space program actually work?
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Management of the launch vehicle moved from JAXA to MHI ( Mitsubishi Heavy Industries )
http://spaceflight101.com/spacerockets/h-iia-202/
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This one clearly says that they are planning to perform their own space missions after 2005. Why would they need to plan to perform their own space missions if they had already been performing their own space missions for decades?
Again, planning to do their own space missions in the future does not preclude them from having done their own space missions in the past. Missions like the Hakucho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakucho) X-ray astronomy satellite in 1979.
Or, some of these missions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALCA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozomi_%28probe%29
Where was NASA's participation in those missions?
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Again, planning to do their own space missions in the future does not preclude them from having done their own space missions in the past.
If they are planning for an independent space mission starting in 2005 then it means they they have not performed an independent space mission. This is pretty basic English. How is that so difficult to understand?
Or, some of these missions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALCA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozomi_%28probe%29
Where was NASA's participation in those missions?
It says clearly on their website who is leading these missions:
http://global.jaxa.jp/activity/int/
International cooperation between the United States and Japan started in 1969, when "The Japan-U.S. Joint Communique" on cooperation in space development was exchanged. Since then, JAXA has been participating in international projects, which have been mainly led by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
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Again, planning to do their own space missions in the future does not preclude them from having done their own space missions in the past.
If they are planning for an independent space mission starting in 2005 then it means they they have not performed an independent space mission. This is pretty basic English. How is that so difficult to understand?
Are you saying that it's impossible to perform international space missions and independent space missions at the same time?
Or, some of these missions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALCA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozomi_%28probe%29
Where was NASA's participation in those missions?
It says clearly on their website who is leading these missions:
http://global.jaxa.jp/activity/int/
International cooperation between the United States and Japan started in 1969, when "The Japan-U.S. Joint Communique" on cooperation in space development was exchanged. Since then, JAXA has been participating in international projects, which have been mainly led by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
Would you care to cite where those specific Japanese space missions that I provided were led by NASA, or are you just assuming that they were because that would be more convenient for your narrative?
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Are you saying that it's impossible to perform international space missions and independent space missions at the same time?
No, he's saying that you misread things and that you are now trying to hide it. It's okay, markjo. Cut your losses and move on.
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Are you saying that it's impossible to perform international space missions and independent space missions at the same time?
No, he's saying that you misread things and that you are now trying to hide it.
Interesting. I'm pretty much saying the same thing about him.
It's okay, markjo. Cut your losses and move on.
Why? I haven't lost anything yet.
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Sigh. If you insist. Just please be aware that you're only lying to yourself.
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Sigh. If you insist. Just please be aware that you're only lying to yourself.
Oh? Did you find any citations showing that those Japanese space missions that I listed were led by NASA or are we just supposed to take Tom's word for it?