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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: juner on November 26, 2014, 10:15:31 PM
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Not to take all the fun away from Ferguson, but did anyone see this? The video was released showing police in Cleveland shooting a 12 year old kid. I read about it a few days ago. He had an airsoft pistol that looked real, which could have justified the shooting. The video looks pretty bad though. The police roll up and shoot within seconds. It is compressed, grainy, and at a distance, but I imagine people are going to be looking for blood over this one.
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Apparently it was a rookie cop.
Someone is not going to be a rookie for long.
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The video clearly contradicts the police's claim that the kid was given three warnings before he was shot. I'm not necessarily saying it wasn't a justified shooting, but lying about what happened doesn't reflect well on them.
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The video clearly contradicts the police's claim that the kid was given three warnings before he was shot. I'm not necessarily saying it wasn't a justified shooting, but lying about what happened doesn't reflect well on them.
When is capping a 12 year old ever justified?
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The video clearly contradicts the police's claim that the kid was given three warnings before he was shot. I'm not necessarily saying it wasn't a justified shooting, but lying about what happened doesn't reflect well on them.
When is capping a 12 year old ever justified?
If the twelve year old poses a lethal threat, it is justified.
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The video clearly contradicts the police's claim that the kid was given three warnings before he was shot. I'm not necessarily saying it wasn't a justified shooting, but lying about what happened doesn't reflect well on them.
When is capping a 12 year old ever justified?
If the twelve year old poses a lethal threat, it is justified.
Are you trying to say that a 12 year old with a gun is a lethal threat?
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The video clearly contradicts the police's claim that the kid was given three warnings before he was shot. I'm not necessarily saying it wasn't a justified shooting, but lying about what happened doesn't reflect well on them.
When is capping a 12 year old ever justified?
If the twelve year old poses a lethal threat, it is justified.
Are you trying to say that a 12 year old with a gun is a lethal threat?
Are 12 year olds magically incapable of firing a gun? Don't give me any garbage about aim, either. I've seen 9 yr olds at trap & skeet clubs shoot clay pigeons out of the sky at 100% accuracy using a 12 gauge.
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The video clearly contradicts the police's claim that the kid was given three warnings before he was shot. I'm not necessarily saying it wasn't a justified shooting, but lying about what happened doesn't reflect well on them.
When is capping a 12 year old ever justified?
If the twelve year old poses a lethal threat, it is justified.
Are you trying to say that a 12 year old with a gun is a lethal threat?
It depends on the situation, obviously. It certainly isn't impossible. In fact, there are parts of the world where that is a regular occurence.
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In fact, there are parts of the world where that is a regular occurence.
Cleveland is not one of those places. Regardless of whether or not a 12 year old with a gun is a lethal threat to a cop, this particular cop shot the kid within moments of leaving his vehicle. This shooting was not justified. The person who called in the threat even said the gun was "probably a fake". The cop did not assess the situation correctly and acted without thinking. I think that much is obvious just by watching the video.
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Yes, I agree that this shooting was unjustified. I was responding to the question "when is capping a 12 year old ever justified?"
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Based on the shit quality video, these cops are fucking idiots.
If they thought that the subject of the 911 call posed a serious threat, why did they pull up onto the grass, ten feet from where the kid was, and immediately get out of the vehicle on the side that the kid was on? Why didn't they get out of the vehicle at a distance and use the car as cover while giving warnings to the kid with their weapons drawn?
Even if they thought the gun was real, this was an absolutely avoidable killing.
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Yes, I agree that this shooting was unjustified. I was responding to the question "when is capping a 12 year old ever justified?"
I agree that there are certain instances when a 12 year old could pose a lethal threat, but I also think someone that young should be given the benefit of the doubt unless they're a crazed preteen jihadist.
I've seen 9 yr olds at trap & skeet clubs shoot clay pigeons out of the sky at 100% accuracy using a 12 gauge.
Pics or it didn't happen.
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I agree that there are certain instances when a 12 year old could pose a lethal threat, but I also think someone that young should be given the benefit of the doubt unless they're a crazed preteen jihadist.
What method do you use to determine whether or not somebody is a crazed preteen jihadist?
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I agree that there are certain instances when a 12 year old could pose a lethal threat, but I also think someone that young should be given the benefit of the doubt unless they're a crazed preteen jihadist.
What method do you use to determine whether or not somebody is a crazed preteen jihadist?
Turban
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I agree that there are certain instances when a 12 year old could pose a lethal threat, but I also think someone that young should be given the benefit of the doubt unless they're a crazed preteen jihadist.
What method do you use to determine whether or not somebody is a crazed preteen jihadist?
Turban
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Yes, thank you PP. Muslims wear taqiyah not turbans.
Someone link the video pls.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-cleveland-cop-shoot-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n256656
Personally, I can't really see what's going on. It does look like he got shot basically the moment the cops arrived, which is strange to say the least.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-cleveland-cop-shoot-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n256656
Personally, I can't really see what's going on. It does look like he got shot basically the moment the cops arrived, which is strange to say the least.
I watched it but I'm... confused. It looks like they kept the kid covered by their guns even after they shot him.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-cleveland-cop-shoot-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n256656
Personally, I can't really see what's going on. It does look like he got shot basically the moment the cops arrived, which is strange to say the least.
I watched it but I'm... confused. It looks like they kept the kid covered by their guns even after they shot him.
What did you expect? For them to speed off after shooting?
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-cleveland-cop-shoot-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n256656
Personally, I can't really see what's going on. It does look like he got shot basically the moment the cops arrived, which is strange to say the least.
I watched it but I'm... confused. It looks like they kept the kid covered by their guns even after they shot him.
What did you expect? For them to speed off after shooting?
For them to not point guns at a dead kid with a BB gun.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-cleveland-cop-shoot-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n256656
Personally, I can't really see what's going on. It does look like he got shot basically the moment the cops arrived, which is strange to say the least.
I watched it but I'm... confused. It looks like they kept the kid covered by their guns even after they shot him.
What did you expect? For them to speed off after shooting?
For them to not point guns at a dead kid with a BB gun.
They were waiting for him to turn.
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For them to not point guns at a dead kid with a BB gun.
Pure speculation on my part, but here's a hypothetical explanation: To them, at the time, it's a kid with what might be a gun. They also can't know for sure if he's dead. What they can know is that he's down, and that he still has what may be a gun. If he's not dead, he might still reach for it and start shooting.
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For them to not point guns at a dead kid with a BB gun.
Pure speculation on my part, but here's a hypothetical explanation: To them, at the time, it's a kid with what might be a gun. They also can't know for sure if he's dead. What they can know is that he's down, and that he still has what may be a gun. If he's not dead, he might still reach for it and start shooting.
But once he drops you kick the gun away while your partner covers you. At that point you see its a BB gun and go "oh shit".
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What happens after they shoot him is irrelevant. Why they had to shoot him in the first place is what is important.
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It's totally possible they told him to drop the gun and it's totally possible that he didn't.
It is pretty fucking stupid to drive right up to him though.
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It is pretty fucking stupid to drive right up to him though.
I feel the same way. If they thought he was a serious threat, they should not have approached him in that way.
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It is pretty fucking stupid to drive right up to him though.
I feel the same way. If they thought he was a serious threat, they should not have approached him in that way.
They treat him as a serious threat. They drove up and shot his ass.
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It is pretty fucking stupid to drive right up to him though.
I feel the same way. If they thought he was a serious threat, they should not have approached him in that way.
They treat him as a serious threat. They drove up and shot his ass.
top knotch poast
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Don't your police have non-lethal weapons? I mean, tasering a twelve-year old would be bad, but a whole lot better than gunning him down with actual bullets.
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Don't your police have non-lethal weapons? I mean, tasering a twelve-year old would be bad, but a whole lot better than gunning him down with actual bullets.
Adding to this, are all police taught to shoot to kill? Or do they just have terrible aim?
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Don't your police have non-lethal weapons? I mean, tasering a twelve-year old would be bad, but a whole lot better than gunning him down with actual bullets.
Adding to this, are all police taught to shoot to kill? Or do they just have terrible aim?
Yes, they are only trained to shoot to kill. A gun is never meant to be used to inflict non-lethal injuries. Cops aren't 360 noscoping people's kneecaps.
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Aiming for center mass is the most reliable way to take someone down with a bullet. It's incredibly difficult to hit a moving limb, and it doesn't guarantee incapacitation.
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Yet Rushy claims that he's seen 9 year olds shoot clay pigeons out of the sky with 100% accuracy with 12 gauges. Seems like someone is lying.
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A shotgun can use ammunition that sprays so it's not like a sniper shot or anything.
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Yet Rushy claims that he's seen 9 year olds shoot clay pigeons out of the sky with 100% accuracy with 12 gauges. Seems like someone is lying.
What does this have to do with their comments? Shooting limbs is difficult, that doesn't mean it is impossible. I was simply pointing out that a child can be very dangerous with a gun, since you seemed to be assuming that guns become magically harmless in the hands of a child and therefore no one should ever take a gun toting child seriously.
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Yet Rushy claims that he's seen 9 year olds shoot clay pigeons out of the sky with 100% accuracy with 12 gauges. Seems like someone is lying.
What does this have to do with their comments? Shooting limbs is difficult, that doesn't mean it is impossible. I was simply pointing out that a child can be very dangerous with a gun, since you seemed to be assuming that guns become magically harmless in the hands of a child and therefore no one should ever take a gun toting child seriously.
I never said they shouldn't be taken seriously. Anyone toting a gun can be dangerous. I was just implying that kids are probably less dangerous than adults with a gun. This particular child had an airsoft gun, which is not comparable to a 12 gauge shotgun even if he had a real handgun. But both should be taken seriously, but not shoot to kill serious in this particular case.
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I never said they shouldn't be taken seriously. Anyone toting a gun can be dangerous. I was just implying that kids are probably less dangerous than adults with a gun. This particular child had an airsoft gun, which is not comparable to a 12 gauge shotgun even if he had a real handgun. But both should be taken seriously, but not shoot to kill serious in this particular case.
I doubt the police or anyone else immediately identified it was an airsoft gun unless it was some bright color. Most airsoft guns are built to look real so kiddies can play cops n robbers. Its a dumb reason, buts thats why.
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I never said they shouldn't be taken seriously. Anyone toting a gun can be dangerous. I was just implying that kids are probably less dangerous than adults with a gun. This particular child had an airsoft gun, which is not comparable to a 12 gauge shotgun even if he had a real handgun. But both should be taken seriously, but not shoot to kill serious in this particular case.
I doubt the police or anyone else immediately identified it was an airsoft gun unless it was some bright color. Most airsoft guns are built to look real so kiddies can play cops n robbers. Its a dumb reason, buts thats why.
Most airsoft guns have orange rubber tips.
Also, the person who called in and tipped off the popo said the gun was "probably fake".
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Most airsoft guns have orange rubber tips.
Some, not all. We don't know enough details on the realism of the gun (we do know it was real enough to warrant lethal force).
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Brings to mind that story of a little girl whose parents gave a MAC-10 for fun on a shooting range. Lost control of the recoil (big fucking surprise) and shot the instructor over her shoulder right in the face.
What is it with you guys and your gun culture? The only people I meet with that kind of attitude about guns are hardcore low IQ bogans.
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The kid removed the orange tip to make it look more realistic.
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The kid removed the orange tip to make it look more realistic.
What a gangster. The real culprits here are the rap videos.
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The only people I meet with that kind of attitude about guns are hardcore low IQ bogans.
Probably because you live in the ass end of the planet.
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The only people I meet with that kind of attitude about guns are hardcore low IQ bogans.
Probably because you live in the ass end of the planet.
Or the US is populated by low IQ bogans protected by the constitution.
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Or the US is populated by low IQ bogans protected by the constitution.
How many gun ranges in the US have you graced? I'm just wondering where you're getting your information about gun culture in the US.
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Or the US is populated by low IQ bogans protected by the constitution.
How many gun ranges in the US have you graced? I'm just wondering where you're getting your information about gun culture in the US.
Low IQ bogans.
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Low IQ bogans.
So, you made it up, glad we could work that out.
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It's difficult to grace ranges in a country half a world away. Only low IQ bogans would get riled up about such insults.
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It's difficult to grace ranges in a country half a world away. Only low IQ bogans would get riled up about such insults.
Yeah, well ur... damn this is the upper fora.
Anyway, I won't turn this into yet another gun debate thread. Feel free to continue doing whatever is you planned to do with your comments.
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Classic Vindictus shit posting. I just wanted to flaunt my superiority as a member of a country that has next to no gun violence.
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Classic Vindictus shit posting. I just wanted to flaunt my superiority as a member of a country that has next to no gun violence. people.
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Also worth noting that the bloke who got guns banned over here was a low IQ bogan who killed about 30 people. Checkmate, 'muricans
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35191347
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