The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: mahogany on November 22, 2024, 10:27:24 AM
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So lately, I've been watching a ton of MSNBC and CNN because I am enjoying observing the meltdowns over Trump's win. From Left Wing Liberal denial and disbelief, to the finger-pointing and blame, and to the Monday-morning quarterbacking.
It's been a classic case study of what happens when media outlets live in an echo chamber, surrounding themselves with only like-minded people to the point that their observations are totally delusional, lacking situational awareness. And Fox News is equally to blame for living in an echo-chamber; they just ended up on the winning side.
The election was never about electing the candidate that was the most righteous and good...it was never about trying to elect the next Pope. It was all about electing the next candidate that would right the ship and put America back on track to better prosperity and peace. That's why voters felt like Trump was the better candidate.
With Kamala Harris, there was a general feeling that one never really knew what she stood for and that she was trying too hard to be everything to everyone. That was her biggest mistake and I think people saw through that and resented it. That's why you see all of her word salads. It also seemed as though a big part of her campaign was "Donald Trump bad, Me good .... so vote for me".
And, although Donald Trump does indeed ramble, people at least knew what he stood for. You kind of knew where he was on all of the critical topics and so I think people gravitated to that a lot more.
I think most people are also fed up and done with all of the woke behavior. Like, it's gone way too far. And so, this was a repudiation of that.
Left Wing media is now blaming Harris' loss on white women voters, Latino men voters, etc. They soooo don't get it.
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It's difficult to "get", because the core MAGA electorate refuses to respond to reason. Not the people here, mind you - it's more the sorts who vote for an increase in the prices of everyday goods because everyday goods are too expensive. (I'm sorry you'll have to deal with the fallout, especially so in a poor state.)
To assume that people like this are a vanishingly small minority that won't amount to anything is a necessary self-preservation instinct. I'm sure the libs don't consciously erase that group - they just fool themselves into thinking that the world they were birthed into isn't quite this flawed. Similarly, to preserve their sanity, they look for excuses. No, it was the women who didn't turn out to vote. Nay, it was the blacks! Someone, anyone, please - there has to be someone that can distract from the fact that the majority of Americans have fallen so far from grace.
Ah well, it's another 4-year mega-recession, then 4-8 years of incomplete recovery, and then we can have a maniac in power again. A cycle as old as the US of A itself.
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It's difficult to "get", because the core MAGA electorate refuses to respond to reason. Not the people here, mind you - it's more the sorts who vote for an increase in the prices of everyday goods because everyday goods are too expensive. (I'm sorry you'll have to deal with the fallout, especially so in a poor state.)
To assume that people like this are a vanishingly small minority that won't amount to anything is a necessary self-preservation instinct. I'm sure the libs don't consciously erase that group - they just fool themselves into thinking that the world they were birthed into isn't quite this flawed. Similarly, to preserve their sanity, they look for excuses. No, it was the women who didn't turn out to vote. Nay, it was the blacks! Someone, anyone, please - there has to be someone that can distract from the fact that the majority of Americans have fallen so far from grace.
Ah well, it's another 4-year mega-recession, then 4-8 years of incomplete recovery, and then we can have a maniac in power again. A cycle as old as the US of A itself.
It's almost like introducing a two trillion dollar stimulus package in the middle of a pandemic was actually a bad idea! Biden thought he could copy and paste Obama's economic policies, seemingly unaware that an entire decade has passed.
What will happen is that Trump will begin correcting the economy, but this won't come into effect until after 2026 midterms. By then, people will have voted in Democrats which will then proceed to undo all of Trump's progress. By 2028, they'll blame Trump for economic woes caused by that Democratic Congress, similar to 2008 and 2020.
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New liberal election theory just dropped
https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2024/11/23/as-mnsbc-continues-to-swirl-down-the-toilet-its-latest-excuse-for-trumps-win-is-crazy-train-lunacy-n2182402
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It's almost like introducing a two trillion dollar stimulus package in the middle of a pandemic was actually a bad idea! Biden thought he could copy and paste Obama's economic policies, seemingly unaware that an entire decade has passed.
Well, yes. You weren't hoping that I'd identify the "good guys" in US politics, were you?
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It's difficult to "get", because the core MAGA electorate refuses to respond to reason. Not the people here, mind you - it's more the sorts who vote for an increase in the prices of everyday goods because everyday goods are too expensive. (I'm sorry you'll have to deal with the fallout, especially so in a poor state.)
To assume that people like this are a vanishingly small minority that won't amount to anything is a necessary self-preservation instinct. I'm sure the libs don't consciously erase that group - they just fool themselves into thinking that the world they were birthed into isn't quite this flawed. Similarly, to preserve their sanity, they look for excuses. No, it was the women who didn't turn out to vote. Nay, it was the blacks! Someone, anyone, please - there has to be someone that can distract from the fact that the majority of Americans have fallen so far from grace.
Ah well, it's another 4-year mega-recession, then 4-8 years of incomplete recovery, and then we can have a maniac in power again. A cycle as old as the US of A itself.
I believe Trump (and the Majority of Americans) would agree with your comment that Americans have fallen from grace, which is exactly why he ran for a 2nd term and won. I think Americans want strength in the White-House vs. weakness which is what Biden/Harris were to the rest of the world; they were very weak leaders and push-overs. I would add that there also are some key factors which seem to have become recent trends or phenomena with culture:
1) The Woke Movement - in my opinion this has gone way too far and I believe Woke-ism is partly to blame for the reason why The Biden/Harris administration did nothing for border protection. They thought that by catering to illegals that illegals would eventually add to the bottom line Democratic voting population. (and, they also didn't want to offend anyone). I do think America has a border crisis and Trump's strong border policies will serve Americans better. I think we just need to treat everyone with respect BUT draw the line where it becomes obvious that the line is being crossed.
2) Everything has become about Race - shows on MSNBC like Joy Reid and the Reverend Al Sharpton do nothing but race baiting. And Morning Joe has become a joke. It really doesn't seem that there are anymore intellectual conversations to advance spirited debate and critical thought. You are either on one side or the other. And, these liberal media outlets are especially guilty in using Race and Gender to try to explain away their woes or misfortunes.
3) The American Public School Education system, specifically K-12. No need to say more.
4) Biden/Harris are push-overs and I think other Countries laugh behind our back because of this. Biden's cognitive state has declined and Harris does not really stand for anything. I think Trump will have learned from his mistakes from his 1st term and hone his approach for his 2nd term, including his cabinet posts.
5) The one disappointment I have with Trump winning is that it doesn't look like the Cuban embargo will be lifted anytime soon. I love smoking (Cuban) Cigars with a good coffee or an Old Fashioned Whiskey and am only able to purchase Cubans when I'm overseas.
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It's almost like introducing a two trillion dollar stimulus package in the middle of a pandemic was actually a bad idea! Biden thought he could copy and paste Obama's economic policies, seemingly unaware that an entire decade has passed.
Well, yes. You weren't hoping that I'd identify the "good guys" in US politics, were you?
I appreciate the agreement but you'll need to elaborate on the question.
They thought that by catering to illegals that illegals would eventually add to the bottom line Democratic voting population.
Democrats cater to illegal immigrants and criminals because it is a party of people with an active hatred of America. The DNC is ruled by communists that would prefer the US government not exist at all. As far as they are concerned, the legal system is only meant to be used as a bludgeon on your political opponents. And when that doesn't work, they'll just try to shoot you dead.
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With Kamala Harris, there was a general feeling that one never really knew what she stood for and that she was trying too hard to be everything to everyone. That was her biggest mistake and I think people saw through that and resented it. That's why you see all of her word salads. It also seemed as though a big part of her campaign was "Donald Trump bad, Me good .... so vote for me".
And, although Donald Trump does indeed ramble, people at least knew what he stood for. You kind of knew where he was on all of the critical topics and so I think people gravitated to that a lot more.
The idea that Trump was the clear candidate with a well-defined platform while Kamala was the vague candidate who offered "word salads" is quite a take.
I've also noticed when it comes to these election post-mortems that there's usually a tendency to rationalize election results as being logical, and to assume that voters intuited a hidden truth that pundits and commentators just didn't get. I think the pundits who create these post-mortems are worried that they'll be seen as bitter if they attribute the results to illogical or stupid beliefs of voters. But I have no such concerns, so here are my thoughts - I think the main reason Trump won, both this year and in 2016, was his charisma and public image. An enormous amount of Americans don't bother doing any research or following up on political candidates and go entirely by what they see and hear from them on TV. Most of these people just like Trump on a very simple, intuitive level. He doesn't seem to be a typical politician. He's blunt, he's impulsive, he doesn't pause before speaking, he expresses frustration at the dysfunction of Washington. People think, yeah, this guy gets it. He doesn't lie or mince words. He's not like the other politicians. He'd be a real wrecking ball to the establishment. In reality, of course, Trump is an enormous liar and was an extremely corrupt president, and his seemingly blunt and impulsive manner of speech isn't at all indicative of any supposed honesty, but there's no use in explaining that to the people who intuitively feel that he's an honest guy who's fed up with Washington just like them.
Trump has also coasted for a very long time on the false impression created by the reality show The Apprentice that he's a great businessman. The fact is that he's never been that. For one thing, he inherited his wealth and is not the self-made man he pretends to be; for another, The Apprentice deliberately manufactured the idea that Trump was this universally-revered titan of business whom any professional would do anything to work for. Before that show, Trump was best known for his long string of bankruptcies, his scandalous personal life, and his general sleaziness. That was the cultural perception of Trump in the eighties and nineties, and it was so ingrained that he was repeatedly mocked by TV shows and movies ranging from SNL to Sesame Street. But people don't really remember how he was seen in the eighties and nineties; instead, they remember the slickly-produced reality show where Trump was so busy and important that he'd make a dramatic exit in a limousine or helicopter at the start of every episode, the tense boardroom scenes where Trump always cut straight to the heart of the matter by focusing on the issues that we saw the candidates talk about earlier in the episode (almost as if they edited the previous scenes to match up with whatever Trump chose to talk about!), and the numerous young business professionals who were so eager to work for Trump that they'd spend weeks of their lives vying for his attention in a filmed corporate rat race.
There are a lot of things that hurt Kamala in this race, to be sure, and if she could have gotten them right, maybe the above wouldn't have mattered. But as it stands, I think that an intuitive belief in Trump's honesty and relatability based on how he talks and a false impression of Trump's business acumen based on a popular reality show are two major elements of Trump's political success that people - both pundits and the general public - don't really talk about.
Also, this is really minor, but I love this part of the dumb article Tom linked:
Greer took the ball and ran with it.
Well, Joy, I have quoted, you know, LBJ [President Lyndon Johnson] on the show several times, but to paraphrase his famous quote, if you give the poorest of the white man someone to look down on, you can pick his pockets all day long, and if you, you know, convince him long enough, he’ll open his pockets for you, and this is what Donald Trump and the Republican Party has consistently done for decades now.
Other than correctly paraphrasing Democrat President Johnson's comments
Did the author really think he had something here by pointing out and emphasizing that Johnson was a Democrat? Was it supposed to be some sort of clever comeback? My guess is that he assumed that Johnson was describing his own cynical strategy for winning over racist voters, when anyone who's even reasonably familiar with Johnson and his achievements in office knows perfectly well that Johnson was of course criticizing (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/) what he saw, and while he didn't specifically mention Republicans in the quote, the obvious implication is that that's who he was suggesting was responsible for this. This was, after all, the time of the Southern strategy (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/), something that Johnson would obviously have been very familiar with. Like I said, it's a minor point, but it's interesting in how revealing it is of the author's ignorance.