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Title: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 28, 2014, 05:34:15 AM
Why has this non-issue been getting so much attention over the past few years?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/27/miley-cyrus-twerking-cultural-appropriation

http://racerelations.about.com/od/hollywood/a/Cultural-Appropriation-In-Music-From-Madonna-To-Miley-Cyrus.htm

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/04/pharrell-harry-styles-and-native-american-appropriation.html

This is liberalism going too far.  This is political correctness run amok.  This is white guilt.  This is over-sensitive social justice warriors who are apparently bored and looking for something new to complain about.  This is the kind of thing that Thork would rant about, and he'd be right.  Seriously, this is ridiculous.  It's backwards, regressive, and goes against everything that a multicultural society stands for.  Elements of foreign cultures are assimilated into the mainstream all the time.  Pizza and tacos are the result of "cultural appropriation."  Rock music is the result of "cultural appropriation."  Our culture would literally stagnate if we did what these whiners apparently want us to do - forever restrict white people to "white people stuff," or black people to "black people stuff," etc.

Find an actual issue to complain about, social justice warriors.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Particle Person on June 28, 2014, 05:36:35 AM
Literally nobody here is going to disagree with anything you said. We all know people who complain about "cultural appropriation" are retarded.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Ghost of V on June 28, 2014, 06:04:15 AM
Concerning The Guardian article: I'm surprised that this is considered journalism. It reads like a blog. Or are those the same thing now?  ???
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 28, 2014, 12:53:46 PM
Comment is free is an opinion section.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: fappenhosen on June 28, 2014, 12:57:08 PM
Why has this non-issue been getting so much attention over the past few years?

Because those weekend supplements won't fill themselves.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Pete Svarrior on June 28, 2014, 05:17:31 PM
Why has this non-issue been getting so much attention over the past few years?
Because Tumblr created a bubble where crazy people can encourage each other to be crazy, thus making them further "develop" their views.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: rooster on June 28, 2014, 11:44:10 PM
I am an Elvis fan and I agree with everything Saddam said.

He was in the same financial bracket as poor blacks and snuck into their churches all the time. It's the music he grew up on and loved, he didn't steal it.  The except same argument is true for Eminem.

If they want black music for the blacks only then they should get out all of white music and just go ahead segregate themselves competely.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 29, 2014, 01:48:03 AM
I am an Elvis fan and I agree with everything Saddam said.

He was in the same financial bracket as poor blacks and snuck into their churches all the time. It's the music he grew up on and loved, he didn't steal it.  The except same argument is true for Eminem.

If they want black music for the blacks only then they should get out all of white music and just go ahead segregate themselves competely.

But what about headdresses?
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: rooster on June 29, 2014, 02:36:25 AM
That's slightly different. We didn't slaughter all the blacks and then let our super hipster babes wear African skirts and face paint to take selfies.

I don't know if you've noticed but Indians are still segregated and a lot of them want to be.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Fortuna on June 29, 2014, 03:39:57 AM
Why has this non-issue been getting so much attention over the past few years?

Because social justice warriors have a socially acceptable avenue in our culture to spread their viewpoints and they're capitalizing on it. They want recognition, money, respect, whatever. You're right that it's labeled as progressive when it's really regressive.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Thork on June 29, 2014, 11:25:01 AM
That's slightly different. We didn't slaughter all the blacks and then let our super hipster babes wear African skirts and face paint to take selfies.

I don't know if you've noticed but Indians are still segregated and a lot of them want to be.
No, its all one way traffic. The white man has to keep apologising. Anyone else can do what the hell they like.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/worldcup/world-cup-2014-fifa-investigate-image-of-fans-wearing-black-face-paint-during-ghana-vs-germany-9556535.html

(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9556514.ece/alternates/w620/blacked-up.jpg)
These fans - racist

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75853000/jpg/_75853467_whitefacetweet.jpg)
This guy - not racist

Both at the same game. The white guys go get questioned by police.

Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: rooster on June 29, 2014, 04:38:45 PM
hahaha, yes. So racist.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on June 29, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
For once, even I'm not going to bother defending this. So long as the appropriation isn't being actively derogatory to the group* then why not assimilate the good elements of a minority culture into the mainstream? Curry is now a staple of the British diet and it's all the better for it.

Dressing in an American-Indian headdress - fine. Dressing that way then doing the stupid 'theyum very niceum peopleum' voice - not so much.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Ghost of V on June 29, 2014, 08:25:12 PM
Comment is free is an opinion section.

Oh.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: fappenhosen on June 29, 2014, 09:44:40 PM
(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9556514.ece/alternates/w620/blacked-up.jpg)
These fans - racist

Not quite.

What are they saying, derogatory or favourably, about any race?
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Thork on June 29, 2014, 11:45:18 PM
For once, even I'm not going to bother defending this. So long as the appropriation isn't being actively derogatory to the group* then why not assimilate the good elements of a minority culture into the mainstream? Curry is now a staple of the British diet and it's all the better for it.

Dressing in an American-Indian headdress - fine. Dressing that way then doing the stupid 'theyum very niceum peopleum' voice - not so much.
We don't eat curries from the middle east. We invented all our own. Madras, Masala, Coronation chicken, Phall. If claiming Indians invented our curries because spices happen to grow in their part of the world, bare in mind aircraft, cargo ships, world trade networks and industrial agriculture were all invented by us, then I think you are clutching at straws. But keep the myth of how useful immigrants are going if it relieves some of your white guilt.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Particle Person on June 29, 2014, 11:59:34 PM
bare in mind aircraft, cargo ships, world trade networks and industrial agriculture were all invented by us

What? The first functional fixed wing aircraft was an American invention. The first cargo ships were built many hundreds of years before the British Isles were inhabited by any civilization that wasn't tribal.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Thork on June 30, 2014, 12:08:41 AM
The jet engine is British and we dug the Suez canal. Curry is completely down to us, not Indians.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: rooster on June 30, 2014, 01:01:19 AM
Thork trolls threads even when we generally agree with his sentiments.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: juner on June 30, 2014, 01:16:53 AM
(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9556514.ece/alternates/w620/blacked-up.jpg)
These fans - racist

Without reading the post at all or reading the shirts, I immediately thought the guy on the left was Thork and that he put on some weight...  Must've been the camo pic he posted a while ago.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Particle Person on June 30, 2014, 01:21:13 AM
The jet engine is British and we dug the Suez canal. Curry is completely down to us, not Indians.

Cool. Those things are almost tangentially related to the things that you mentioned in your first post.

I wonder why nobody has appropriated great English cuisine like the toast sandwich?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_sandwich
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Vindictus on June 30, 2014, 02:54:25 AM
Germans invented the jet engine.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: fappenhosen on June 30, 2014, 08:29:43 PM
Germans invented the jet engine.

http://bit.ly/1oiImDl
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Particle Person on June 30, 2014, 09:36:45 PM
Today I learned that a jet engine is an airplane.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Rushy on July 01, 2014, 12:21:00 AM
It's almost as if Thork can't bear people actually agreeing with him. He has to go and make stuff up that no one can possibly agree with, so that way someone has to argue with it. Thork's "we invented flight" is his classic troll deflection.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Vindictus on July 01, 2014, 08:32:39 PM
Germans invented the jet engine.

http://bit.ly/1oiImDl

If you want to be pedantic

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The first patent for using a gas turbine to power an aircraft was filed in 1921 by Frenchman Maxime Guillaume

Also

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In 1935 Hans von Ohain started work on a similar design in Germany, initially unaware of Whittle's work.[7]

Von Ohain's first device was strictly experimental and could run only under external power, but he was able to demonstrate the basic concept. Ohain was then introduced to Ernst Heinkel, one of the larger aircraft industrialists of the day, who immediately saw the promise of the design. Heinkel had recently purchased the Hirth engine company, and Ohain and his master machinist Max Hahn were set up there as a new division of the Hirth company. They had their first HeS 1 centrifugal engine running by September 1937. Unlike Whittle's design, Ohain used hydrogen as fuel, supplied under external pressure. Their subsequent designs culminated in the gasoline-fuelled HeS 3 of 1,100 lbf (5 kN), which was fitted to Heinkel's simple and compact He 178 airframe and flown by Erich Warsitz in the early morning of August 27, 1939, from Rostock-Marienehe aerodrome, an impressively short time for development. The He 178 was the world's first jet plane

So yeah, Frenchman, Germans and Austrians. Shortly afterwards, Germany came out with the first jet warplane and bomber. Sure, England was working on it as well but didn't get a plane into service until after the Germans.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: fappenhosen on July 02, 2014, 09:21:36 PM
If you want to be pedantic

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Jet engines can be dated back to the invention of the aeolipile around 150 BCE.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Vindictus on July 02, 2014, 10:23:40 PM
If you want to be pedantic

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Jet engines can be dated back to the invention of the aeolipile around 150 BCE.

Doesn't count because I said.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Thork on July 02, 2014, 10:28:02 PM
If you want to be pedantic

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Jet engines can be dated back to the invention of the aeolipile around 150 BCE.
If you want to be pedantic ...

God invented the jet engine several million years ago.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/marine-life/squid2.htm
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Vindictus on July 02, 2014, 10:29:03 PM
If you want to be pedantic

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Jet engines can be dated back to the invention of the aeolipile around 150 BCE.
If you want to be pedantic ...

God invented the jet engine several million years ago.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/marine-life/squid2.htm

God didn't invent that.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Thork on July 02, 2014, 10:30:36 PM
If you want to be pedantic

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Jet engines can be dated back to the invention of the aeolipile around 150 BCE.
If you want to be pedantic ...

God invented the jet engine several million years ago.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/marine-life/squid2.htm

God didn't invent that.
Who did invent squids?
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Rushy on July 02, 2014, 10:44:41 PM
Who did invent squids?

This question is nonsense. It's like asking "what color is time?"
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Saddam Hussein on July 02, 2014, 10:57:31 PM
It was me, actually.  I invented squids.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Thork on July 02, 2014, 11:02:34 PM
It was me, actually.  I invented squids.

You're welcome.
Thanks. Are you licensing out the rights to calamari?
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Saddam Hussein on July 02, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
It's all open-source.  I don't believe in proprietary cephalopods.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: markjo on July 03, 2014, 01:54:28 AM
It's like asking "what color is time?"

Plaid, of course.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Pete Svarrior on July 05, 2014, 10:18:11 PM
It was me, actually.  I invented squids.
You are nothing but a pretender.

(http://i.omgomg.eu/agm)
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: fappenhosen on July 05, 2014, 10:32:24 PM
I see a squid giving birth to a human. Because that's how your "so called" evolution works. So squid invented humans.
Title: Re: Cultural appropriation
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 14, 2015, 04:17:49 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/23/university-yoga-class-canceled-because-of-oppression-cultural-genocide/

I mentioned this on IRC a few weeks ago, but I might as well put it here too.