The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Technology & Information => Topic started by: Pete Svarrior on June 12, 2014, 08:47:23 PM
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Technology leadership is not defined by patents, which history has repeatedly shown to be small protection indeed against a determined competitor, but rather by the ability of a company to attract and motivate the world’s most talented engineers. We believe that applying the open source philosophy to our patents will strengthen rather than diminish Tesla’s position in this regard.
See full announcement here (http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you). I think this is a fantastic move, especially with today's world being haunted by patent trolls and legal disputes slowing down technological progress. Hopefully more companies will follow suit!
Importantly, this means that electric cars might actually become common now. And, you know, not burning gas is a good thing.
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This is indeed wonderful news. I wonder if it is really for the purpose of getting the best engineers (although I imagine they have quite a few great ones) or if there is some other seedy underpinning. Nonetheless, it is a refreshing move. Tired of hearing about patent trolls.
And yes, burning gasoline is bad. Charging electric cars using electricity sourced from coal burning power plants is much better.
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This is indeed wonderful news. I wonder if it is really for the purpose of getting the best engineers (although I imagine they have quite a few great ones) or if there is some other seedy underpinning. Nonetheless, it is a refreshing move. Tired of hearing about patent trolls.
And yes, burning gasoline is bad. Charging electric cars using electricity sourced from coal burning power plants is much better.
Considering pollution per unit energy, this is true. I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not.
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Charging electric cars using electricity sourced from coal burning power plants is much better.
Hey, this won't be a problem once we get SOLAR FREAKIN' ROADWAYS.
...I'm really sorry. Please, let's not make this another solar roadways thread.
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Huh...
Well you don't see THAT every day. Neat. :)
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Charging electric cars using electricity sourced from coal burning power plants is much better.
Your average coal power plant is a lot more efficient at getting energy out of coal than any combustion engine is at getting energy out of gasoline/diesel.
That said, if everyone were driving electric cars the power grid wouldn't be able to handle it, so more power plants would be built, and I can guarantee instead of Nuclear (which would make sense) they would all be roaring oil or coal fired plants.
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Not to mention the significantly better efficiency of electric engines.
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And yes, burning gasoline is bad. Charging electric cars using electricity sourced from coal burning power plants is much better.
But from nuclear and renewables...
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Tesla created patents to protect their ideas. Now they have realised that no one is interested they are trying to give them away. Their patents were worth nothing. Now those same ideas are open source and they are still worth nothing. The technology they patented isn't any good and no one bought their cars.
They probably think they can get more goodwill out of sharing 'amazing environmental ideas' than they could every get out of selling it. Its not like anyone wanted to license it off them.
At Tesla, however, we felt compelled to create patents out of concern that the big car companies would copy our technology and then use their massive manufacturing, sales and marketing power to overwhelm Tesla.
If it was any good, they would never have done this. They admit they wanted the technology for themselves. So cynical.
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Tesla created patents to protect their ideas. Now they have realised that no one is interested they are trying to give them away. Their patents were worth nothing. Now those same ideas are open source and they are still worth nothing. The technology they patented isn't any good and no one bought their cars.
They probably think they can get more goodwill out of sharing 'amazing environmental ideas' than they could every get out of selling it. Its not like anyone wanted to license it off them.
At Tesla, however, we felt compelled to create patents out of concern that the big car companies would copy our technology and then use their massive manufacturing, sales and marketing power to overwhelm Tesla.
If it was any good, they would never have done this. They admit they wanted the technology for themselves. So cynical.
Isn't that the same thing that happened with Netscape Navigator? Now, we have FireFox, which is far superior. FireFox makes millions of dollars giving away their product for free, and we get a free Internet Search Engine. Sounds like a win/win to me.
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Commercial success is the objective measure of quality. Proof: Justin Bieber, the NHS, mass immigration in the UK.
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Tesla created patents to protect their ideas. Now they have realised that no one is interested they are trying to give them away. Their patents were worth nothing. Now those same ideas are open source and they are still worth nothing. The technology they patented isn't any good and no one bought their cars.
They probably think they can get more goodwill out of sharing 'amazing environmental ideas' than they could every get out of selling it. Its not like anyone wanted to license it off them.
At Tesla, however, we felt compelled to create patents out of concern that the big car companies would copy our technology and then use their massive manufacturing, sales and marketing power to overwhelm Tesla.
If it was any good, they would never have done this. They admit they wanted the technology for themselves. So cynical.
If they don't sell cars, why are dealerships suing them for selling cars directly?
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Tesla created patents to protect their ideas. Now they have realised that no one is interested they are trying to give them away. Their patents were worth nothing. Now those same ideas are open source and they are still worth nothing. The technology they patented isn't any good and no one bought their cars.
They probably think they can get more goodwill out of sharing 'amazing environmental ideas' than they could every get out of selling it. Its not like anyone wanted to license it off them.
At Tesla, however, we felt compelled to create patents out of concern that the big car companies would copy our technology and then use their massive manufacturing, sales and marketing power to overwhelm Tesla.
If it was any good, they would never have done this. They admit they wanted the technology for themselves. So cynical.
Thork, please don't assume that everyone is as cynical as you are (that's a very high standard, you know ;) ). Tesla is, indeed, selling cars pretty much as fast as they can build them. However, they simply overestimated the big auto manufacturer's interest in selling all electric cars. As long as internal combustion engines are cheap and easy to build and gas is still affordable, their attempts at all electric cars will never be more than halfhearted.
Perhaps by opening up their patent portfolio, Tesla might encourage more manufacturers to enter the market now that they won't have to do all of their own R&D from scratch.
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Tesla is opening their patents to increase the chances of their electric ports becoming the standard, nothing more.
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Tesla is opening their patents to increase the chances of their electric ports becoming the standard, nothing more.
Are you suggesting that standardized charging technology would be anything but good for the industry?
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Tesla is opening their patents to increase the chances of their electric ports becoming the standard, nothing more.
Are you suggesting that standardized charging technology would be anything but good for the industry?
Are you suggesting they aren't already standardised?
https://www.zap-map.com/live/#y=53.25207/x=-2.05994/z=7
If you get a slower charge rate it takes longer. That's it. But its not like mobile phones where you have a charger connection for every phone. They all run a standard 3-pin plug like you would find on a building site. Some have communication and safety add ons, but it doesn't mean they don't fit the vanilla ones.
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But its not like mobile phones where you have a charger connection for every phone.
What are you talking about? Pretty much every phone manufacturer bar one has standardised on MicroUSB for charging.
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But its not like mobile phones where you have a charger connection for every phone.
What are you talking about? Pretty much every phone manufacturer bar one has standardised on MicroUSB for charging.
Of course they have. ::)
(http://cdni.wired.co.uk/1240x826/a_c/chargers_1.jpg)
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But its not like mobile phones where you have a charger connection for every phone.
What are you talking about? Pretty much every phone manufacturer bar one has standardised on MicroUSB for charging.
Of course they have. ::)
(http://cdni.wired.co.uk/1240x826/a_c/chargers_1.jpg)
And how recent are those plugs? Not from 2004 I hope.
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Tesla is opening their patents to increase the chances of their electric ports becoming the standard, nothing more.
This and perhaps to have manufacturing costs go down because the producers of their parts have a larger economy to scale from.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/16/elon-musk-reveals-details-of-the-new-tesla/?tid=hp_mm&hpid=z3
tl;dr sex jokes, Model III will retail for $35,000, 200 mile range, due in 2017
I'm gonna buy the shit out of that thing the second it comes out down here.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/16/elon-musk-reveals-details-of-the-new-tesla/?tid=hp_mm&hpid=z3
tl;dr sex jokes, Model III will retail for $35,000, 200 mile range, due in 2017
I'm gonna buy the shit out of that thing the second it comes out down here.
2017? That's plenty of time for them to fold, change the price, or be car blocked from the other auto dealers.
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Oh the price will likely change and I doubt the distance will end up as 200 miles. But if it does..
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Oh the price will likely change and I doubt the distance will end up as 200 miles. But if it does..
Hopefully they'll have more charging stations. Like at gas stations.
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Oh the price will likely change and I doubt the distance will end up as 200 miles. But if it does..
Hopefully they'll have more charging stations. Like at gas stations.
The good thing about a petrol station is that you can go in, fill up your car, buy some munchies and be on your way 5 mins later. I don't want to spend 9 hours at the electric charge station eating packaged sandwiches and doing scratch cards. Nor do I want to plan my entire life around the next charge of my car.
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Oh the price will likely change and I doubt the distance will end up as 200 miles. But if it does..
Hopefully they'll have more charging stations. Like at gas stations.
The good thing about a petrol station is that you can go in, fill up your car, buy some munchies and be on your way 5 mins later. I don't want to spend 9 hours at the electric charge station eating packaged sandwiches and doing scratch cards. Nor do I want to plan my entire life around the next charge of my car.
Then it's a good thing that you won't have to.
The Tesla Supercharger recharges Model S quickly. Super quickly. Superchargers are for refueling quickly on road trips. A Supercharger can replenish half the battery in as little as 20 minutes. All Model S vehicles with the 85 kWh battery can use Superchargers as can properly equipped 60 kWh battery vehicles. Superchargers will be positioned at convenient locations along major interstates throughout the country.
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work. Also fast charging is going to cap your battery life to around 5-7 years. I'm assuming you get a battery health check when you buy second hand electric cars, so yours will depreciate like a brick doing that. The batteries are upwards of $10,000 a time.
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
What if I forget? What if the charging thing burns my damned house down! Those batteries get hot on charging. What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
I'd put petrol in my mobile phone if it meant I could just top it up and be good for the whole day. OMG. I have to go to the patent office. Brb.
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
What if I forget? What if the charging thing burns my damned house down! Those batteries get hot on charging. What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
I'd put petrol in my mobile phone if it meant I could just top it up and be good for the whole day. OMG. I have to go to the patent office. Brb.
There are quite a few charging stations where I live and I have witnessed zero fires. I have, however, within the past two months seen a fire at a petrol station. It ignited while I was inside the store and sounded like a gunshot, caused by someone filling up. The car was engulfed in flames, so I quickly left and missed the end result. There are constantly morons who smoke at the pump, don't discharge static, etc. That is a much worse risk than a charging station.
There may be reasons to not like electric cars, but to me, charging isn't one of them.
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
What if I forget?
Like if you forget to fill up with gas and run out on the highway?
What if the charging thing burns my damned house down!
Then your electrician should be sued.
Those batteries get hot on charging.
And?
What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
I'd put petrol in my mobile phone if it meant I could just top it up and be good for the whole day. OMG. I have to go to the patent office. Brb.
Pull cord for your phone?
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
That article quotes the price of an i-miev at £28,990 when the actual price is £9053.41... cheaper than the fiat. Looks like your media overlords hoodwinked you again, Thork. Also you're an idiot for having an article about electric vehicles from 2010. Technology moves fast.
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
That article quotes the price of an i-miev at £28,990 when the actual price is £9053.41... cheaper than the fiat. Looks like your media overlords hoodwinked you again, Thork. Also you're an idiot for having an article about electric vehicles from 2010. Technology moves fast.
Where did you see £9,000? Their website still says £28,499.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/imiev/specifications.aspx
Electric cars are so expensive for what they are.
(http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/images/trimColours/IA7-P39.jpg)
£28k for that piece of rubbish. You'd have to be insane. That's $48,000. Think of the kind of car you can get for that. Why would anyone buy electric?
0-60mph - 13 seconds. Yawn
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
Does electricity cost more in the UK than petrol?
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
What's so civilized about polluting the atmoplane with burning fossil fuels. ???
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
Does electricity cost more in the UK than petrol?
Read the link and you will see why. ::)
What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
What's so civilized about polluting the atmoplane with burning fossil fuels. ???
as opposed to running around naked sniffing each others behinds?
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
That article quotes the price of an i-miev at £28,990 when the actual price is £9053.41... cheaper than the fiat. Looks like your media overlords hoodwinked you again, Thork. Also you're an idiot for having an article about electric vehicles from 2010. Technology moves fast.
Where did you see £9,000? Their website still says £28,499.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/imiev/specifications.aspx
Electric cars are so expensive for what they are.
(http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/images/trimColours/IA7-P39.jpg)
£28k for that piece of rubbish. You'd have to be insane. That's $48,000. Think of the kind of car you can get for that. Why would anyone buy electric?
0-60mph - 13 seconds. Yawn
Apparently car companies royally screw britons, because an i-miev in the US is $16,000. No wonder we all drive bigger cars.
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
What's so civilized about polluting the atmoplane with burning fossil fuels. ???
as opposed to running around naked sniffing each others behinds?
??? What's wrong with running around naked? Are civilized people born wearing clothes?
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
Does electricity cost more in the UK than petrol?
Read the link and you will see why. ::)
I did. Its more expensive to buy but the cost to own is much cheaper. The source of your "more expensive to run" is the depreciation value. Which has no berring on the cost of owning the car.
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
That article quotes the price of an i-miev at £28,990 when the actual price is £9053.41... cheaper than the fiat. Looks like your media overlords hoodwinked you again, Thork. Also you're an idiot for having an article about electric vehicles from 2010. Technology moves fast.
Where did you see £9,000? Their website still says £28,499.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/imiev/specifications.aspx
Electric cars are so expensive for what they are.
(http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/images/trimColours/IA7-P39.jpg)
£28k for that piece of rubbish. You'd have to be insane. That's $48,000. Think of the kind of car you can get for that. Why would anyone buy electric?
0-60mph - 13 seconds. Yawn
Apparently car companies royally screw britons, because an i-miev in the US is $16,000. No wonder we all drive bigger cars.
Most cars aren't that different in cost. Otherwise we'd just ship yours over and pay the import tax. Your government is using your taxes to subsidise the people who have bought them. You are buying other people's cars!
Certain zero-emission commercial vehicles are also eligible for rebates up to $20,000
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What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
Its more expensive.
No, electric cars are way more expensive to buy and a little more to run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11112820
That article quotes the price of an i-miev at £28,990 when the actual price is £9053.41... cheaper than the fiat. Looks like your media overlords hoodwinked you again, Thork. Also you're an idiot for having an article about electric vehicles from 2010. Technology moves fast.
Where did you see £9,000? Their website still says £28,499.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/imiev/specifications.aspx
Electric cars are so expensive for what they are.
(http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/images/trimColours/IA7-P39.jpg)
£28k for that piece of rubbish. You'd have to be insane. That's $48,000. Think of the kind of car you can get for that. Why would anyone buy electric?
0-60mph - 13 seconds. Yawn
Apparently car companies royally screw britons, because an i-miev in the US is $16,000. No wonder we all drive bigger cars.
Most cars aren't that different in cost. Otherwise we'd just ship yours over and pay the import tax. Your government is using your taxes to subsidise the people who have bought them. You are buying other people's cars!
Certain zero-emission commercial vehicles are also eligible for rebates up to $20,000
The MSRP on an i-moev in the US is $22000. The maximum rebate is $7500. Not sure where you got 20,000, because even your link states the maximum is 7500.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_i-MiEV
The UK is royally getting ripped off. The 2011 US model was $29k while the 2014 is 22. The 2011 UK model was the price Thork quoted £28k
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
What if I forget? What if the charging thing burns my damned house down! Those batteries get hot on charging. What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
I'd put petrol in my mobile phone if it meant I could just top it up and be good for the whole day. OMG. I have to go to the patent office. Brb.
Do you know how hot car engines routinely run? I'd love an electric car simply for the convenience of never having to visit a gas station ever again. Just get home, plug it in, and go the next morning. The only downside to the ones currently available is that:
1. They only go like 100-200km on a charge which is pretty shit, and evident of the big companies not really trying when Tesla can get 250 miles out of a 2 ton car.
2. They're fucking expensive. Like $40,000-$50,000 for a car the size of a $20,000 car.
3. They're ugly as hell and look like girl cars.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_i-MiEV
The UK is royally getting ripped off. The 2011 US model was $29k while the 2014 is 22. The 2011 UK model was the price Thork quoted £28k
The UK is known in international business circles as 'treasure island'. Everything is more expensive here with the exception of Scandinavian local beer prices. Seems the Vikings will pay anything for grog.
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
What if I forget? What if the charging thing burns my damned house down! Those batteries get hot on charging. What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
I'd put petrol in my mobile phone if it meant I could just top it up and be good for the whole day. OMG. I have to go to the patent office. Brb.
Do you know how hot car engines routinely run? I'd love an electric car simply for the convenience of never having to visit a gas station ever again. Just get home, plug it in, and go the next morning. The only downside to the ones currently available is that:
1. They only go like 100-200km on a charge which is pretty shit, and evident of the big companies not really trying when Tesla can get 250 miles out of a 2 ton car.
2. They're fucking expensive. Like $40,000-$50,000 for a car the size of a $20,000 car.
3. They're ugly as hell and look like girl cars.
Yeah but with less moving parts the maintenance is much lower. No oil changes. No gasoline. No coolant change. In fact, if anything breaks it'll likely be the electric motor. Which is catastrophic. But it's far less likely than having a piston rod snap.
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
What if I forget? What if the charging thing burns my damned house down! Those batteries get hot on charging. What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
I'd put petrol in my mobile phone if it meant I could just top it up and be good for the whole day. OMG. I have to go to the patent office. Brb.
Do you know how hot car engines routinely run? I'd love an electric car simply for the convenience of never having to visit a gas station ever again. Just get home, plug it in, and go the next morning. The only downside to the ones currently available is that:
1. They only go like 100-200km on a charge which is pretty shit, and evident of the big companies not really trying when Tesla can get 250 miles out of a 2 ton car.
2. They're fucking expensive. Like $40,000-$50,000 for a car the size of a $20,000 car.
3. They're ugly as hell and look like girl cars.
Yeah but with less moving parts the maintenance is much lower. No oil changes. No gasoline. No coolant change. In fact, if anything breaks it'll likely be the electric motor. Which is catastrophic. But it's far less likely than having a piston rod snap.
You realise the car needs a new battery every 5-7 years, don't you? And that's more than 50% the cost of the car!
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
What if I forget? What if the charging thing burns my damned house down! Those batteries get hot on charging. What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
I'd put petrol in my mobile phone if it meant I could just top it up and be good for the whole day. OMG. I have to go to the patent office. Brb.
Do you know how hot car engines routinely run? I'd love an electric car simply for the convenience of never having to visit a gas station ever again. Just get home, plug it in, and go the next morning. The only downside to the ones currently available is that:
1. They only go like 100-200km on a charge which is pretty shit, and evident of the big companies not really trying when Tesla can get 250 miles out of a 2 ton car.
2. They're fucking expensive. Like $40,000-$50,000 for a car the size of a $20,000 car.
3. They're ugly as hell and look like girl cars.
Yeah but with less moving parts the maintenance is much lower. No oil changes. No gasoline. No coolant change. In fact, if anything breaks it'll likely be the electric motor. Which is catastrophic. But it's far less likely than having a piston rod snap.
You realise the car needs a new battery every 5-7 years, don't you? And that's more than 50% the cost of the car!
I'm sorry, I guess my 10 year old, 300,000+ mile Toyota Prius (which uses batteries BTW) hasn't seen a drop in efficiency. I guess those batteries didn't need changing eh?
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I don't want to be at the charge station for 20 mins either. That's enough to make me late for work.
Charge it at home before you leave >o<
What if I forget? What if the charging thing burns my damned house down! Those batteries get hot on charging. What if I just go to the petrol station and buy some petrol like civilised folk have done for over 100 years?
I'd put petrol in my mobile phone if it meant I could just top it up and be good for the whole day. OMG. I have to go to the patent office. Brb.
Do you know how hot car engines routinely run? I'd love an electric car simply for the convenience of never having to visit a gas station ever again. Just get home, plug it in, and go the next morning. The only downside to the ones currently available is that:
1. They only go like 100-200km on a charge which is pretty shit, and evident of the big companies not really trying when Tesla can get 250 miles out of a 2 ton car.
2. They're fucking expensive. Like $40,000-$50,000 for a car the size of a $20,000 car.
3. They're ugly as hell and look like girl cars.
Yeah but with less moving parts the maintenance is much lower. No oil changes. No gasoline. No coolant change. In fact, if anything breaks it'll likely be the electric motor. Which is catastrophic. But it's far less likely than having a piston rod snap.
You realise the car needs a new battery every 5-7 years, don't you? And that's more than 50% the cost of the car!
The i-miev has an eight year warranty on the battery.
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An electric car battery is costly, but can last as much as 100,000 miles. They usually come with a 10 year or mileage limit warranty.
I'll take internet references over anecdotal evidence on this forum every time.
as a side note
An interesting read is Tesla’s owners manual (https://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/model_s_owners_manual.pdf) including warnings on page 83 not to let the battery go to zero, or else.
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Transmissions, engine components, servicing etc all cost more than a battery pack every 10 years.
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Transmissions, engine components, servicing etc all cost more than a battery pack every 10 years.
Why are you ignoring the outlay for the vehicle? They are twice the price of a good car and they look worse than the cheapest real cars on the market.
(http://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/nissan/vehicles/2013/leaf/overview/gallery-03.jpg)
Also, pedestrians and cyclists can't here them coming. I think they are pretty dangerous.
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Lol most noise comes from the tyres. Not everyone drives around a big V8 with a milo tin muffler.
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An electric car battery is costly, but can last as much as 100,000 miles. They usually come with a 10 year or mileage limit warranty.
I'll take internet references over anecdotal evidence on this forum every time.
as a side note
An interesting read is Tesla’s owners manual (https://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/model_s_owners_manual.pdf) including warnings on page 83 not to let the battery go to zero, or else.
Plug In America did a survey of several owners of Tesla’s Roadster, the precursor to Tesla’s hot-selling Model S sedan – and, arguably, the first successful modern electric car – and found that the cars’ batteries maintained 80-85% of their original capacity after 100,000 miles.
Typically it’s eight years, and mileage is usually at least 100,000 miles. Tesla warranties (https://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/model_s_new_vehicle_limited_warranty_2.1.pdf) its 60-kwh Model S to 125,000 miles, and the 85-kwh version gets unlimited miles.
Now granted, the gradual loss is not covered. But a sudden loss is so I wouldn't worry.
Also, cars today last roughly 200,000 miles or 11.4 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_longevity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_longevity)
So 85% drop in efficiency isn't bad after over half the life of the car. After all, petrol cars drop in efficiency as well and they require a LOT more effort to fix them.
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Lol most noise comes from the tyres. Not everyone drives around a big V8 with a milo tin muffler.
At lower speeds as you travel in towns (where people are) those cars are silent.
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Lol most noise comes from the tyres. Not everyone drives around a big V8 with a milo tin muffler.
At lower speeds as you travel in towns (where people are) those cars are silent.
Except they aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sounds
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Electric vehicles are so quiet they have to emit fake noise just to alert people to their presence. Amazing.
An electric car battery is costly, but can last as much as 100,000 miles. They usually come with a 10 year or mileage limit warranty.
I'll take internet references over anecdotal evidence on this forum every time.
And? What exactly is your problem here? Having all vehicle maintenance covered for 10 years is a pretty good deal anywhere you go.
I'm starting to think Thork is just grasping at straws or trolling.
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I'm starting to think Thork is just grasping at straws or trolling.
fucking genius you are
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I'm starting to think Thork is just grasping at straws or trolling.
fucking genius you are
I know. This always happens, but considering the way Thork acts and/or ragequits I'm never sure whether he is serious or not.
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He is always serious.
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Thork is the only serious person here. In fact, his serious level is super-human in nature.
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The Porsche 918 is one hybrid I can get on board with.