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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Thork on May 25, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
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Not European Poles. As in elections.
Tonight after 10pm results for the Uk election to vote MEPs into the European parliament will start to come in.
I voted UKIP. First time ever. I want nothing to do with Europe. It has seen mass immigration, wages tumble due to over supply of labour, house prices rocket, infrastructure like roads, hospitals and schools struggling to cope, and the streets of Britain turned into some bum-hole 3rd world nation. 23% of people in London don't have English as a first language. 9% don't speak English at all. Over 50% are of non-European descent.
And yet despite the destruction to our way of life, all major parties insist on pumping in more flesh for big corporations to maximise profits. Make the white Brit compete in his own back garden. Squeeze every last penny.
Anyone objecting to the fall out of our 'liberal' policies is shouted down as racist. It can't be racist to want a better standard of living, to see your kinsmen prosper. I don't care if my wanting white Brits to do better than anyone else is deemed racist. I'm a white Brit. Its natural to favour your own tribe. Everyone has always done it for thousands of years. You have an in built fear of strangers. They are the enemy. They compete for limited resources and wealth. Survival of the fittest. And we have been reduced to invasion and suffered all the ills that go with it, because our government won't protect our borders.
the only point in having centralised government is a joint defence. Its why nations formed in the first place. If the nation isn't defended, it might as well be regionalised.
I voted UKIP. I'll keep on voting UKIP, and I won't stop voting UKIP until they shut the fucking doors.
Tonight the people have their say on Europe. I had mine. May the union collapse and its people be freed.
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You don't think it will be bad for the British economy if the UK leaves the EU?
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You don't think it will be bad for the British economy if the UK leaves the EU?
No. why would it be? We may make less GDP, but its spread between less people. We have 25 million immigrants! Out of a population of 63 million.
Our GDP wouldn't drop by a third.
Our people would be richer. I don't care if a few millionaire stock holders take a hit because they have to pay higher wages.
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The term is "polls."
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with wanting to tighten up immigration policies if you genuinely feel that the country can't handle the influx; but including all that crap about race and tribes just adds needless controversy. Immigrants need jobs, hospital services, roads, etc. regardless of their ethnicity.
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Thork is still racist, the sun still rises in the East.
Phew...
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Mhm, talking about tribes and the sort (lalalala white people lalalala) does make you seem like a racist when you don't even have to be seen as one. Wanting to stop people moving to your country and dragging down those who have worked hard to bring the nation to where it is isn't really all that bad... providing you don't say it that way. Tricky business.
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If we did leave the EU there would be a sudden influx of over a million expat Brits returning from Europe. They probably wouldn't be too happy about being deported from wherever they were living.
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If we did leave the EU there would be a sudden influx of over a million expat Brits returning from Europe. They probably wouldn't be too happy about being deported from wherever they were living.
I can't see that happening. I would picture the governments of Europe would do something to accommodate the Brits abroad.
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If we did leave the EU there would be a sudden influx of over a million expat Brits returning from Europe. They probably wouldn't be too happy about being deported from wherever they were living.
Those ex-pats are mostly retired. They don't need jobs. And those that do work abroad are in high skilled jobs. No one from the UK goes to Germany to seek work as a plumber.
The term is "polls."
Yeah, I was getting furious about immigrants so spelling and grammar were low on my list of priorities.
Anyway, 3 hours away from the start of results. Exit polls suggest I'm not the only 'racist' in the village. I think we've had our fill of diversity.
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But Thork, UKIP wants immigration. They love immigration. You should have voted BNP, you numpty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLZSZqEZF8
Also, I voted Labour. I hope you're mad. :-*
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Of course you voted Labour. Labour are the party that opened the doors to mass European immigration. You wouldn't be in the UK if it weren't for them. The Conservatives have lost London. Rich people vote conservative. London was their heartlands. And they have lost it because Labour filled it with immigrants who all vote Labour.
I didn't vote BNP, because I don't want to see your bloated corpse floating down the Thames as they give this country the enema it so sorely needs. But UKIP will remove the right for the 380 million Europeans that have the right to work here from coming over. We can start encouraging you all to go back home after that.
Sounds harsh, but when a generation can't afford their own homes, we have to look to our people before worrying about hurting everyone else's feelings. Sorry PP.
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You wouldn't be in the UK if it weren't for them.
Of course I would, I would have simply been on a student visa.
I didn't vote BNP, because I don't want to see your bloated corpse floating down the Thames as they give this country the enema it so sorely needs.
Oh. Why not LibertyGB, then? They want to stop the rivers of blood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbYx6Wk_Ep4
But UKIP will remove the right for the 380 million Europeans that have the right to work here from coming over. We can start encouraging you all to go back home after that.
With a 17% popular vote across local councils, I don't think we need to concern ourselves with that. They basically stole a bunch of seats from Tories and Lib Dems, which is awesome.
Sounds harsh, but when a generation can't afford their own homes, we have to look to our people before worrying about hurting everyone else's feelings. Sorry PP.
A generation of people who lose their jobs to untrained workers who don't even speak the language of the country they're in. Yeah, blame immigration.
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You wouldn't be in the UK if it weren't for them.
Of course I would've, I would have simply been on a student visa.
Who set the stupidly high quotas for student visas?
I didn't vote BNP, because I don't want to see your bloated corpse floating down the Thames as they give this country the enema it so sorely needs.
Oh. Why not LibertyGB, then? They want to stop the rivers of blood.
Because UKIP has momentum. :)
But UKIP will remove the right for the 380 million Europeans that have the right to work here from coming over. We can start encouraging you all to go back home after that.
With a 17% popular vote across local councils, I don't think we need to concern ourselves with that. They basically stole a bunch of seats from Tories and Lib Dems, which is awesome.
The Libdems are pro-Europe on a frothy-mouthed scale and the conservatives keep shifting any chance of a referendum years and years into the future. UKIP votes encourage them to review that.
Sounds harsh, but when a generation can't afford their own homes, we have to look to our people before worrying about hurting everyone else's feelings. Sorry PP.
A generation of people who lose their jobs to untrained workers who don't even speak the language of the country they're in. Yeah, blame immigration.
When a 40 year old immigrant with 20 years experience rocks up and says I'll take that junior office job for £6/h, how is a kid fresh out of uni supposed to compete with that? Its not Experienced English who lose jobs.
A 40 year old Englishman couldn't do that job, because he isn't living with 10 of his immigrant friends in a bedsit with a pissed stained mattress as all his worldy possessions. He likely has a mortgage on a £250k house to service. A house he is competing to pay a mortgage on against 10 immigrants doing low-skilled jobs all sharing a similarly sized shit hole only their homes are filled with piss stained mattresses. And lice.
Immigrants don't harm experienced workers. They harm opportunities for the young and infrastructure + housing costs.
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Who set the stupidly high quotas for student visas?
I think that was the Tories. International students bring a lot of money into our community. They've strongly re-focused higher education around internationals (non-EU, mind you) within the last few years.
Because UKIP has momentum. :)
Less than Lib Dems ever had, and I don't think anyone in their right mind considers Lib Dems to be relevant.
Unless by momentum you mean things like #UKIPWeather.
UKIP votes encourage them to review that.
I strongly doubt it. The BNP had their bubble too, and just look how badly they're doing now. Not even you would vote for them.
When a 40 year old immigrant with 20 years experience rocks up and says I'll take that junior office job for £6/h, how is a kid fresh out of uni supposed to compete with that? Its not Experienced English who lose jobs.
If you know of any people like that - report them to the authorities. They're working for less than minimum wage and are probably employed illegally. Real change starts with real action, and real action starts small.
Besides, I'm 22 and I'm already on £10/h. I had no experience to begin with, I started with a shitty job and worked my way up to a decent job. Once I'm out of uni, I will have a couple of years of managerial experience. That's what will make an inexperienced person lose against me - not my nationality.
A 40 year old Englishman couldn't do that job, because he isn't living with 10 of his immigrant friends in a bedsit with a pissed stained mattress as all his worldy possessions.
Of course he could. In fact, I'm currently employing an Englishman in his 40s alongside a bunch of students (most of them British and then a couple of Malaysians).
Immigrants don't harm workers. They harm opportunities for the young.
I dunno about that. Seriously, there is a lot of work in the UK for the educated young. I could see your point if you were making it about the woefully uneducated British youth - yes, they're at a disadvantage - the Polish are simply so much better at cleaning toilets; but I don't think you have a point when it comes to university graduates.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4vII3nangc
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Who set the stupidly high quotas for student visas?
I think that was the Tories. International students bring a lot of money into our community. They've strongly re-focused higher education around internationals (non-EU, mind you) within the last few years.
Indeed. Somehow taking money to educate foreign students is seen as a good idea. Never mind many go back to China having occupied a place at Uni that an English youth could have had. And then they use that education to smash us at business because many of our young had no opportunity to go as they were priced out. Education should not be sold to the highest bidder. It should be a state secret.
Because UKIP has momentum. :)
Less than Lib Dems ever had, and I don't think anyone in their right mind considers Lib Dems to be relevant.
Not now, but 4 years ago they were the king makers. They picked Conservatives over Labour and formed a coalition with them instead.
The Libdems are pro-Europe on a frothy-mouthed scale and the conservatives keep shifting any chance of a referendum years and years into the future.
Yeah, which leaves the only rational choice - Labour.
Labour left Britain in the worst financial mess it has ever been in. I would never vote Labour as long as I lived.
UKIP votes encourage them to review that.
I strongly doubt it. The BNP had their bubble too, and just look how badly they're doing now. Not even you would vote for them.
I never voted for them in the first place. But enough is enough.
When a 40 year old immigrant with 20 years experience rocks up and says I'll take that junior office job for £6/h, how is a kid fresh out of uni supposed to compete with that? Its not Experienced English who lose jobs.
If you know of any people like that - report them to the authorities. They're working for less than minimum wage and are probably employed illegally. Real change starts with real action, and real action starts small.
I work in a town where I see raids every other day. A party van rocks up, out jump 20 guys with ear pieces and half the fast food shops and market stalls are evacuated as staff scarper in all directions. Really, get closer to London. even you will agree we have a serious problem here.
Besides, I'm 22 and I'm already on £10/h. I had no experience to begin with, I started with a shitty job and worked my way up to a decent job. Once I'm out of uni, I will have a couple of years of managerial experience. That's what will make an inexperienced person lose against me - not my nationality.
If you weren't here, do you not think anyone else can do that job? If you are so skilled, go get a job worth £10GBP in Poland. If the Poles are that smart, you must have dozens of businesses like that.
A 40 year old Englishman couldn't do that job, because he isn't living with 10 of his immigrant friends in a bedsit with a pissed stained mattress as all his worldy possessions.
Of course he could. In fact, I'm currently employing an Englishman in his 40s alongside a bunch of students (most of them British and then a couple of Malaysians).
Poor guy. That's what happens to people when opportunities are few.
Immigrants don't harm workers. They harm opportunities for the young.
I dunno about that. Seriously, there is a lot of work in the UK for the educated young. I could see your point if you were making it about the woefully uneducated British youth - yes, they're at a disadvantage - the Polish are simply so much better at cleaning toilets; but I don't think you have a point when it comes to university graduates.
Of course I do. Graduate unemployment has never been higher. and its never been higher because there are so many foreign graduates competing for opportunities. You are taking a job an English youth could have had. It doesn't matter you might have slightly better grades. I'm sure your £10/h job isn't that specialist.
The scale of immigration has been too great. I'm not interested in you as an individual. But multiply it out and its hurting people I know. My friends' kids. My neighbour's kids. The kids I see in their mid-20s still cocking about in the skate park on a Wednesday lunch time because they can't get any work. People in their 30s unable to have families because they can't afford them because wages are now so low compared to the cost of living in the Uk.
It has to be Britain for the British. I don't care how much poverty there is in Poland. Allowing Poles here doesn't solve poverty in Poland. It just brings British standard of living down to that level. Its not Britain will be richer for immigrants. Everywhere in Europe will end up equally poor. See Greece, Spain and Italy for a glimpse of the future. No borders means an osmosis of money until all money is equal everywhere. Why would I want that for my country? I want it protected from that.
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Indeed. Somehow taking money to educate foreign students is seen as a good idea. Never mind many go back to China having occupied a place at Uni that an English youth could have had.
I think the reasoning is that it brings a shitton of money to the country. Before the Tory-Lib Dem coalition, a UK/EU student would pay about £3,500 per year of study (still the case for those of us that started their courses early enough, like myself. I think my bill for next year came just under £4k), while a non-EU international would bring in some £26k. Now the balance is a bit closer (9k/26k), but it still means that bringing an international student in == bringing in boatloads of money. That combined with the fact that they are only allowed to work up to 20 hours a week means that they're largely forced to put much more money in the economy than they can possibly take out.
Now, I don't necessarily agree with this system, but it's not completely nonsensical.
Not now, but 4 years ago they were the king makers. They picked Conservatives over Labour and formed a coalition with them instead.
But they were forced to basically ignore their own policies for the sake of the Tories. Do you think UKIP is going to be anything else? They're even more of a bunch of populists than LDs.
Labour left Britain in the worst financial mess it has ever been in. I would never vote Labour as long as I lived.
Meh, I doubt Labour had all that much to do with Lehman Brothers going bankrupt. They didn't handle the financial crisis well, but a party like UKIP (i.e. one that doesn't have a financial policy at all) is not the answer here.
I never voted for them in the first place. But enough is enough.
Give Nick a chance. :'(
I work in a town where I see raids every other day. A party van rocks up, out jump 20 guys with ear pieces and half the fast food shops and market stalls are evacuated as staff scarper in all directions. Really, get closer to London. even you will agree we have a serious problem here.
I've spent some time near London, both in areas like those you described, and some towns near Croydon where the Jobcentre Plus is located on the other side of the road from Wetherspoon's, filled with Brits who do very little with their lives other than claim benefits from one of these buildings, and then cross the street to spend it in the other.
Certainly, this country has a number of problems. I simply do not believe that immigration is the root cause.
If you weren't here, do you not think anyone else can do that job? If you are so skilled, go get a job worth £10GBP in Poland. If the Poles are that smart, you must have dozens of businesses like that.
I fail to see your argument. You said that immigrants disadvantage the inexperienced. As an inexperienced person, I have not found that to be the case.
Poor guy. That's what happens to people when opportunities are few.
The problem is that he's uneducated and fucked his life up, so now he has to pay alimony while struggling to make ends meet.
Of course I do. Graduate unemployment has never been higher. and its never been higher because there are so many foreign graduates competing for opportunities. You are taking a job an English youth could have had. It doesn't matter you might have slightly better grades. I'm sure your £10/h job isn't that specialist.
You might have a point if you ignore the fact that the international opportunities are now plentiful, especially to UK graduates. Leaving the EU would eliminate those.
[...] Why would I want that for my country? I want it protected from that.
Then vote for a party that might actually do something about it. UKIP has no interest in reducing immigration, and they've made it clear on many occasions. In fact, their policies aim for a net increase of immigrants. There are parties out there (notably, Tories and Labour) who seek to cut down immigration while increasing the minimum wage, but without the political and economic suicide of leaving the EU.
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tl;dr:
(http://spreadhead.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/farage-needs-you.png) vs. (http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_tgf74CMAAN0bs.jpg:large)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/eu-uk-results
So far so good.
I'm not alone then.
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Wooo, go Labour!
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Wooo, go Labour!
Dammit. Still, one MEP each. >:(
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Wooo, go Labour!
Dammit. Still, one MEP each. >:(
2/1 right now :D
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Stupid Welsh. >:(
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UKIP winning the popular vote right now! :D
Go racists!
Lol, Greens have more votes than lib dems. hahahaha.
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The National Front are doing well in France
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Hopefully we can at least both relish the fact that Lib Dems and Tories seem to be tanking it so far.
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Labour
745,319 23.07 (+8.33) 2 +1
UK Independence Party
1,032,546 31.97 (+13.96) 1 +1
Holy shit! Go racists!
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Hopefully we can at least both relish the fact that Lib Dems and Tories seem to be tanking it so far.
Yes, this makes me happy.
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4 meps! UKIP are winning!
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Boo! Electoral fraud! Marxism!
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Pack your bags PP. Its over. >:(
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Not before I blow up a few buildings!
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This is precisely why we can't have immigrants! >o<
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Go back to Poland, pizaaplanet.
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Go back to Poland, pizaaplanet.
Never! If the immigrants are going, you're all going down with us!
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I thought pizaaplanet was african-american!!?? ??? ??? ???
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I thought pizaaplanet was african-american!!?? ??? ??? ???
This doesn't stop me from being Polish.
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When I was about four or five, I thought Poland was an island north of Ireland. Similar to Iceland, but bigger and more eastward.
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Its similar to Iceland, but bigger and more backward.
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Britain should have a political system more like the US, where you get to pick between two choices that are virtually identical.
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Britain should have a political system more like the US, where you get to pick between two choices that are virtually identical.
This is the first time in years we've had a half decent other option. We have 2 main parties, and now a racist party. So delighted by this, it looks as though we have decided to vote them into power.
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This is the first time in years we've had a half decent other option. We have 2 main parties, and now a racist party. So delighted by this, it looks as though we have decided to vote them into power.
Since I have no prior knowledge of British politics I really have no idea how serious you're being. On a scale of 1 to Hitler how racist is the racist party?
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about a 7
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The National Front are winning in France. They must be an 8 or 9. The French will be boiling black people in the morning.
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I can confirm that Thork is being fairly serious.
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Not just racists though. A UKIP councillor blamed flooding on gay people getting married.
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So, should I get popcorn and watch BBC or something?
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So, should I get popcorn and watch BBC or something?
Spam F5 here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/eu-uk-results
It's the Brits' idea of a good time.
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I thought pizaaplanet was african-american!!?? ??? ??? ???
No, you are thinking about Parsifal.
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Does all of Europe vote at the same time? To me the EU is starting to look more and more like the US. With a Federal government overseeing many smaller state governments.
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Does all of Europe vote at the same time? To me the EU is starting to look more and more like the US. With a Federal government overseeing many smaller state governments.
This is why nations all over Europe tonight are voting anti-EU parties in. Denmark, France, Hungary, UK. Haven't seen any others but they are all going anti-EU. Its a bloody mess. >:(
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I'm really sorry the EU exists. And Muslim slums under Sharia Law. You need more Sikhs like in the old days.
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I hope PP has gone quiet because he is gathering his piss stained mattress and his pet lice.
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Does all of Europe vote at the same time? To me the EU is starting to look more and more like the US. With a Federal government overseeing many smaller state governments.
Yes, that's the general aim. Unfortunately, some backwards tardlets are preventing the rise of the glorious United States of Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Europe).
I hope PP has gone quiet because he is gathering his piss stained mattress and his pet lice.
No, I'm trying to figure out how to carpetbomb the UK so that the debris makes a perfect depiction of Ed Miliband's face in stratellite photos.
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It looks like UKIP has won a massive amount of seats. WTF is this shit? How can people seriously vote for this clown?
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Does all of Europe vote at the same time? To me the EU is starting to look more and more like the US. With a Federal government overseeing many smaller state governments.
Yes, that's the general aim. Unfortunately, some backwards tardlets are preventing the rise of the glorious United States of Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Europe).
I hope PP has gone quiet because he is gathering his piss stained mattress and his pet lice.
No, I'm trying to figure out how to carpetbomb the UK so that the debris makes a perfect depiction of Ed Miliband's face in stratellite photos.
Ed third place Milliband?
His army of immigrants can't save him now. Tomorrow you will be woken early by the sound of jackboots. If you go quietly you will be aboard a cross channel ferry by 6am tomorrow morning. But if you give them any of this "I'm not going without a fight" bullshit, you'll be wishing British Gas has supply problems. >:(
It looks like UKIP has won a massive amount of seats. WTF is this shit? How can people seriously vote for this clown?
Told you. People are fed up of immigrants. Asking for tolerance is the same as asking for apathy. There is only so long you can do things people don't like, before they tell you to F-off. The British have been very good natured about the whole thing for a very long time. But they were never going to let themselves get outnumbered.
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Nice to see the Lib Dems doing really badly. I hope Nick Clegg manages to cling on as leader until the next General Election, where he will be completely destroyed.
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Nice to see the Lib Dems doing really badly. I hope Nick Clegg manages to cling on as leader until the next General Election, where he will be completely destroyed.
Why would anyone vote for him? Last time out he promised to stop tuition fee rises. Pretty much his only policy. And once in power, he didn't do it. The Libdems will be in the political wilderness for 20+ years now. No student or parent of Student is going to vote for him.
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Nice to see the Lib Dems doing really badly. I hope Nick Clegg manages to cling on as leader until the next General Election, where he will be completely destroyed.
Why would anyone vote for him? Last time out he promised to stop tuition fee rises. Pretty much his only policy. And once in power, he didn't do it. The Libdems will be in the political wilderness for 20+ years now. No student or parent of Student is going to vote for him.
I don't think the Lib Dems were (or are) ever quite in power. The Tories won and they got to pick who'd go side car. The Lib Dems weren't able to dictate much to the Tories as far as I could tell.
But I agree they should have put their foot down somewhere, and this would have been a good place.
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I suddenly imagine Britain being a big island full of Thorks.
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Hahaha. What is it with first world nations and voting in wacko's lately? It's almost like no one is capable of critically looking at parties. That includes you Thork, you dumb racist.
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While Thork himself may be racially motivated I think the issue stands as one of economics. An economy can not sustain a constant influx of migrant workers, US states bordering Mexico are a testimony to that.
I can also see now that a lot of EU nations really don't like the EU functioning as a federal government. They might want to be careful, though. The US had a civil war the last time states decided they don't like the federal government. I wonder if the EU may fracture in a similar manner.
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I'm woefully under informed on the state of politics involving the UK and the EU, but I only need browse the policy section of UKIP on wikipedia to see that they're a bunch of fucking wacko's.
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I'm woefully under informed on the state of politics involving the UK and the EU, but I only need browse the policy section of UKIP on wikipedia to see that they're a bunch of fucking wacko's.
Sometimes you just need a wacko to get shit done.
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It's okay, guys. The European Parliament cannot actually accomplish anything UKIP wants to accomplish, and now that they have seats there, they're likely to take a 180-degree turn on their "we'll take power away from
EP ourselves" policy. And then the Thorks will get angry and vote Labour like they always should have.
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European polls explain how compasses work.
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It's okay, guys. The European Parliament cannot actually accomplish anything UKIP wants to accomplish, and now that they have seats there, they're likely to take a 180-degree turn on their "we'll take power away from EP ourselves" policy. And then the Thorks will get angry and vote Labour like they always should have.
If they don't accomplish anything isn't that technically mission success?
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If they don't accomplish anything isn't that technically mission success?
From my point of view, yes. Probably not from theirs.
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While Thork himself may be racially motivated I think the issue stands as one of economics. An economy can not sustain a constant influx of migrant workers, US states bordering Mexico are a testimony to that
Well that's what UKIP made as an "issue", and one that a raft of others including the tories went along with. The truth is that its mostly bullshit. Net migration hasn't changed that much over the last decade (hovering around 200,000 people). Most migrants are highly qualified and find work once here. There may be migrants who do choose to come just to sponge off the government but they are in the vast minority.
and now that they have seats there, they're likely to take a 180-degree turn on their "we'll take power away from EP ourselves" policy.
Yeah I'm interested to see if they follow through with their threat of mass seppuku.
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I voted Green.
The whole UKIP landslide thing needs to be put in perspective, especially in relation to the local elections where their vote share actually dropped from 23% to 17%, they were just better organised in motivating individual seats.
In the EU elections, they are the only mainstream party who are unequivacably anti-EU. The Tories are generally anti-EU but they're far more pro-status quo, Labour have... well, let's be honest, they haven't articulated their Europe platform, LibDems are fiercely pro-EU and anti-referendum, the Greens are pro-EU but also Pro-referendum.
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I voted Green.
Why do you hate scientific progress? >o<
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I voted Green.
Why do you hate scientific progress? >o<
Their policy of anti-GM crops and vague support for 'alternative' medicine are the only real areas of policy difference between them and I.
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Nuclear power is the future >o<
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I voted Green.
Why do you hate scientific progress? >o<
Their policy of anti-GM crops and vague support for 'alternative' medicine are the only real areas of policy difference between them and I.
Anti-GM is a great policy. GM isn't about improving food. Its about controlling food. Patenting and owning the rights to something as simple as a vegetable. Once they make a small change, they can patent it. Like the suicide seeds sold to Africa that meant they couldn't reseed them the next year and had to buy more. With enough products, seed suppliers will view natural strains as competition and try to remove them altogether.
Money controls governments, food controls its people. GM is abhorrent and should be outlawed.
Where the hell is my tin-foil hat? My head is cold. But yeah, GM is about patents, not science.
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I hate food security, vote UKIP >o<
Oh Thork, how I value your troll character.
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Erm, I love food security. That's why I don't want individual companies owning the rights to food!
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Erm, I love food security. That's why I don't want individual companies owning the rights to food!
So campaign against patenting GMOs. There's no need to starve the world just because you're upset that someone might make too much money off of it.
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Erm, I love food security. That's why I don't want individual companies owning the rights to food!
So campaign against patenting GMOs. There's no need to starve the world just because you're upset that someone might make too much money off of it.
That would be fine. If GM food was 'open-source' I would have no problem with it at all. But that's not why companies like Monsanto have invested $Billions in it.
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The entire patent system in general needs an overhaul. Watching countless companies get patent trolled is just infuriating. Of course the same people who can make these sorts of changes are the people who make money off of them.
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I suppose I should have said this earlier:
The United Kingdom sucks.
Thanks.
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I suppose I should have said this earlier:
The United Kingdom sucks.
Thanks.
Don't be jelly.
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I suppose I should have said this earlier:
The United Kingdom sucks.
Thanks.
Don't be jelly.
I'm jelly of Germany, not the U.K.
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I suppose I should have said this earlier:
The United Kingdom sucks.
Thanks.
Don't be jelly.
I'm jelly of Germany, not the U.K.
Apparently Germany just made higher education free again. In the light of sky high uni fees, that does make me very jelly.
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Their policy of anti-GM crops and vague support for 'alternative' medicine are the only real areas of policy difference between them and I.
Anti-GM is a great policy. GM isn't about improving food. Its about controlling food.
This is true unfortunately. I'm mostly in favour of GM crops but when Monsanto lawyers start kicking over your potatoes its time to readdress the balance. But the Greens do bandy some bullshit around regarding GM foods.
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Nuclear power is the future >o<
Nuclear power is, at best, a stop-gap measure while we transition away from fossils and towards sustainable power generation.
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Nuclear power is, at best, a stop-gap measure while we transition away from fossils and towards sustainable power generation.
Nuclear power is a perfectly good means of power generation that's sustainable for all intents and purposes. People like the Greens are afraid of it because they think we will literally Chernobyl the entire country (http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/04-04-2011-unacceptable-risk-nuclear.html), calling the risk "unacceptable" and entirely ignoring the scientific advances of the past 3 decades. Honestly, even UKIP are better in that regard (http://www.ukipworcester.org.uk/userfiles/downloads/sys/UKIP-Energy-Policy.pdf).
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Germany also can generate 40% of their power from solar energy. Everyone should be jelly.
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Nuclear power is, at best, a stop-gap measure while we transition away from fossils and towards sustainable power generation.
Nuclear power is a perfectly good means of power generation that's sustainable for all intents and purposes. People like the Greens are afraid of it because they think we will literally Chernobyl the entire country (http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/04-04-2011-unacceptable-risk-nuclear.html), calling the risk "unacceptable" and entirely ignoring the scientific advances of the past 3 decades. Honestly, even UKIP are better in that regard (http://www.ukipworcester.org.uk/userfiles/downloads/sys/UKIP-Energy-Policy.pdf).
Quite true. People are way too paranoid about nuclear power and its dangers these days. See the hysterical overreaction to the Fukushima incident for a classic example.
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Quite true. People are way too paranoid about nuclear power and its dangers these days. See the hysterical overreaction to the Fukushima incident for a classic example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qwOc3ytqaw
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The Greens over here are exactly the same. It's more or less the only thing I disagree with them on, so I'll take the party with 1 disagreement over 2 parties with many.
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Quite true. People are way too paranoid about nuclear power and its dangers these days. See the hysterical overreaction to the Fukushima incident for a classic example.
At this point governments really give no shits what people think about nuclear power. We've been building them for a while now, half of the people who hate it probably use it when they turn their lights on.
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Quite true. People are way too paranoid about nuclear power and its dangers these days. See the hysterical overreaction to the Fukushima incident for a classic example.
At this point governments really give no shits what people think about nuclear power. We've been building them for a while now, half of the people who hate it probably use it when they turn their lights on.
We don't have any nuclear power for a number of reasons, and public perception of nuclear being dangerous and dirty is definitely one.
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We don't have any nuclear power for a number of reasons, and public perception of nuclear being dangerous and dirty is definitely one.
(http://www.originenergy.com.au/assets/diagram/XXXX_Electricity_across_AUS_GRAPH_630x387.png)
Wow. I really expected more solar power given that most of Australia is desert.
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Why get power from the sun when we can just burn coal? Stupid American.
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Nuclear power is, at best, a stop-gap measure while we transition away from fossils and towards sustainable power generation.
Nuclear power is a perfectly good means of power generation that's sustainable for all intents and purposes. People like the Greens are afraid of it because they think we will literally Chernobyl the entire country (http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/04-04-2011-unacceptable-risk-nuclear.html), calling the risk "unacceptable" and entirely ignoring the scientific advances of the past 3 decades. Honestly, even UKIP are better in that regard (http://www.ukipworcester.org.uk/userfiles/downloads/sys/UKIP-Energy-Policy.pdf).
Actually, I'm more concerned about being even more in China's pocket seeing as they have virtually monopolised the market in Uranium from Australia and Africa. I'm hardly worried about nuclear safety, I visited Chernobyl on holiday last year.
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Nuclear power is, at best, a stop-gap measure while we transition away from fossils and towards sustainable power generation.
Nuclear power is a perfectly good means of power generation that's sustainable for all intents and purposes. People like the Greens are afraid of it because they think we will literally Chernobyl the entire country (http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/04-04-2011-unacceptable-risk-nuclear.html), calling the risk "unacceptable" and entirely ignoring the scientific advances of the past 3 decades. Honestly, even UKIP are better in that regard (http://www.ukipworcester.org.uk/userfiles/downloads/sys/UKIP-Energy-Policy.pdf).
Actually, I'm more concerned about being even more in China's pocket seeing as they have virtually monopolised the market in Uranium from Australia and Africa. I'm hardly worried about nuclear safety, I visited Chernobyl on holiday last year.
Why would you be in China's pocket? Australia has huge uranium deposits and is still close to Britain.
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Their policy of anti-GM crops and vague support for 'alternative' medicine are the only real areas of policy difference between them and I.
Anti-GM is a great policy. GM isn't about improving food. Its about controlling food.
This is true unfortunately. I'm mostly in favour of GM crops but when Monsanto lawyers start kicking over your potatoes its time to readdress the balance. But the Greens do bandy some bullshit around regarding GM foods.
Monsanto doesn't go around kicking over potaotoes. There are literally no cases they've persued where a reasonable person wouldn't side with Monsanto.
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Monsanto doesn't go around kicking over potaotoes. There are literally no cases they've persued where a reasonable person wouldn't side with Monsanto.
Obvious troll is ibvous.
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Monsanto doesn't go around kicking over potaotoes. There are literally no cases they've persued where a reasonable person wouldn't side with Monsanto.
Obvious troll is ibvous.
Not really. Most of the people who dislike Monsanto are conspiracy theorists or city-dwellers that have no idea how or why they do what they do. I've never heard a reasonable explanation of hating Monsanto other than people who don't trust corporations in general, which I can understand. The anti-GMO crowd, though, are laughably ignorant.
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Most of the people who dislike Monsanto are conspiracy theorists or city-dwellers that have no idea how or why they do what they do. I've never heard a reasonable explanation of hating Monsanto other than people who don't trust corporations in general, which I can understand. The anti-GMO crowd, though, are laughably ignorant.
"By its own admission Monsanto views its patented GM seeds similarly to the way the software industry views its proprietary technology."
http://modernfarmer.com/2014/03/monsantos-good-bad-pr-problem/
That's the heart of the problem. That and the truck load of lawyers.
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Actually, I'm more concerned about being even more in China's pocket seeing as they have virtually monopolised the market in Uranium from Australia and Africa. I'm hardly worried about nuclear safety, I visited Chernobyl on holiday last year.
You're not Greens (I think). You're just a guy who voted for them despite disagreeing with their policies on energy.
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Nuclear power is, at best, a stop-gap measure while we transition away from fossils and towards sustainable power generation.
Nuclear power is a perfectly good means of power generation that's sustainable for all intents and purposes. People like the Greens are afraid of it because they think we will literally Chernobyl the entire country (http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/04-04-2011-unacceptable-risk-nuclear.html), calling the risk "unacceptable" and entirely ignoring the scientific advances of the past 3 decades. Honestly, even UKIP are better in that regard (http://www.ukipworcester.org.uk/userfiles/downloads/sys/UKIP-Energy-Policy.pdf).
Actually, I'm more concerned about being even more in China's pocket seeing as they have virtually monopolised the market in Uranium from Australia and Africa. I'm hardly worried about nuclear safety, I visited Chernobyl on holiday last year.
Why would you be in China's pocket? Australia has huge uranium deposits and is still close to Britain.
China have been buying up Australia's uranium deposits for the last five or ten years.
Actually, I'm more concerned about being even more in China's pocket seeing as they have virtually monopolised the market in Uranium from Australia and Africa. I'm hardly worried about nuclear safety, I visited Chernobyl on holiday last year.
You're not Greens (I think). You're just a guy who voted for them despite disagreeing with their policies on energy.
Incorrect.
Hello Christopher
Thank you for joining us. We’re really pleased to welcome you to the Green Party. We are delighted that you have decided to stand with us at this momentous time.
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I wonder how much support the Greens would have if they correctly labelled their party 'The environmental tax party'?
Its a party of punitive punishment upon regular citizens for the heinous crime of living in the 21st century. Can't stand the greens.
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Can't stand the greens.
Please allow me to retrieve my dropped jaw from the floor...
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Its a party of punitive punishment upon regular citizens for the heinous crime of living in the 21st century. Can't stand the greens.
Kind of true but you can probably skew all taxes to mean this.
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Good God, THORK, I just read your opening post here, and I actually fucking agree with you! I don't know much about UKIP. I would probably vote Conservative if I lived in England! YOU ROCK!
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Fuck off back to your own shitty troll threads.
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SADDAM, you really do need to engage in coitus with your nearest female relative to continue the inbreeding from which you so obviously derive your existence.
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Oy vey, I'm such a Jew! Jew Jew Jew! Everyone look at me, I'm a Jew!
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Ok, that was just stupid. You are clearly a fucktard.
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Is it dangerous to have this much brainpower in one thread?
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