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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: birdkage on March 11, 2019, 11:13:36 PM
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Hello Everyone,
Just signed up because I'm having trouble finding solid numbers for the distances in the Flat Earth model. I'm trying to build a computer simulation of the Flat Earth to better understand how it works. Using WebGL and Javascript so others can play with it when I'm finished.
This seems to be the agreed upon map (if it's not, please correct me):
(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.442746136.8659/pp,550x550.u1.jpg)
Some questions to help me with the model:
- How high is the sun and moon from the surface?
- What is the diameter of this map?
I'm also hoping to put a projection of the stars above the surface to help figure out how the stars move, I'm assuming the geometry based on something like this:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/e4/17/30e4179bcc79655a69108567291a72ba.jpg)
I can easily just paste the current starfield of any particular day onto the dome, the problem happens when I try to morph the starfield according to observations. The northern latitudes are very easy, but I can't figure out how to map the southern latitudes correctly. Any help would be appreciated.
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Birdcage!
This is great! I’m trying to formalize FE Theory, and this simulation wold be incredibly useful I bet.
I am leaving the Sun’s distance as unknown. But what I really need is a simulation of how daytime/nighttime progresses on a FE map. Do you have the capabilities to include that?
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Thanks QED! Yes, the simulation is going to allow you to adjust date/time values and see where the sun and moon are located based on that. It's exactly intended to measure what you're asking.
Is there at least an estimated distance range for the Moon & Sun? We can tell the 3D software to render a point light for the sun and a sphere for the moon wherever we'd like, just need a number or range of numbers to give the software.
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Okay, start here: the north star is clearly to the north of all who see it. You will need to find a place where it is to the north of everyone in the northern hemisphere, but not visible to those in the southern hemisphere.
You can find the exact position of the north star by plotting all the observed angles and see where the lines cross. Find the altitude by drawing a line and make marks one inch apart, as latitude is equidistant. Then use a protractor and make a line at 0 degrees on the first (equator), 10 degrees on the second, 20 degrees on the third, and so on up to the 90 degree one (the north pole). Where these lines cross is where the north star must be.
You latitude is equal to the angle of the north star above the horizon (known for centuries and confirmed a million times. The latitude of the equator is 0, so it would be 0 degrees above the horizon.That would be on the surface at the north pole.
You'll need to explain why the southern hemisphere can't see it. Most FErs explain with perspective and vanishing point. I wonder how the sun can be up there spraying light across half the world, yet an hour after sunset, I can't see it at all. Even more puzzling, I can see stars over the entire night sky, so it isn't blocking them out. Where did the sun go?
After you figure out where the north star is, you can work on star trails, why the stars look like they travel across the sky in opposite directions in northern and southern hemisphere. Here most FErs go with modifications to the laws of physics, having the light bend from something else to what it would be on RE.
In my effort to help you understand the problem you are taking on, I may think of some more, will let you know.
Looking forward to your location of the north star that will give correct latitude for all.
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Diameter is largely agreed upon as 40,000km.
You can check out the diagram here - 3000 miles high, 27 miles across
https://wiki.tfes.org/Wilbur_Glenn_Voliva
Competing theory from Rowbotham has sun at 800 miles and 32 miles across.
So you have some wiggle room.
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There is also a model here.
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=flat+earth+dome+model
To inspire you, not discourage you.