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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: Curiosity File on December 09, 2018, 02:19:28 AM
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Retrograde Motion of the Planets
https://wiki.tfes.org/Retrograde_Motion_of_the_Planets
So we know in FET the sun is 32 miles wide, 3,000 miles up and is spinning circles over head.
It's also very clear in this diagram and explanation that the planets are orbiting the sun and therefor must be really small.
I don't even know where to begin the questions on this theory?
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According to my calculations, considering we can see Venus transit the sun and the sun is approximately 109 times larger, the sun being 32 miles wide, Venus would be a little more than 1/4 mile wide.
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OK I came up with a first question.
FET claims the forces of "Aertheric Whirlpool("https://wiki.tfes.org/Aetheric_Whirlpool) is what causes the sun and moon to spin in one direction above the surface of the earth.
At some point the planets would go against that whirlwind force, slow down or stop to let the sun go by to get that retrograde motion. Seems physically impossible since the planets are subject to the same forces the sun is?
I guess not so much a question rather pointing to a flaw in this theory.
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According to my calculations, considering we can see Venus transit the sun and the sun is approximately 109 times larger, the sun being 32 miles wide, Venus would be a little more than 1/4 mile wide.
A little rock in the sky subject to the same forces pushing the sun in a circle would never orbit the sun. It would follow the same path as the sun. Or?
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The Aertheric Whirlpool would also have to be smart. The sun has been moving on a regular schedule for all of recorded history, at least. A 'Whirlpool' is more of a random event and the outcome will also be random. Since the sun moves in a regular orbit and both speeds up and slows down right on schedule then the Aertheric Whirlpool can't possibly work. There would have to be some sort of other 'mechanism' in place to direct the 'dark energy' when and where it's needed to modify the suns orbit according to schedule. Maybe there's some other sort of 'dark body' out there. There's one that takes care of eclipses so why not for the sun's orbit? It could have a funnel to direct the dark energy to change the sun's orbit when required.
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Hm a smart whirlpool on a timer?
How about this.
The vortex of the whirlpool not centered over the pole rather offset also rotating around the pole.
That would make the sun slightly alter it's path.
Look FES got us doing the thinking for them.
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All good but a wobbling Whirlpool I do believe could account for the retrograde orbit of plants. Also when you look at all the data including things like hurricanes spinning opposite directions in opposite hemispheres throws a wrench in the works.
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Unless I'm misinterpreting this, Pete alludes to gravity as the culprit at least for the planets orbiting the sun. Still not sure what's powering the Sun/Moon rotations. This from Newsweek last year regarding the planets and Flat Earth:
"We got in touch with Pete Svarrior, who runs social media for the Flat Earth Society and has been a member for about six years.
In a Twitter direct message, he wrote: "Our definition of a planet is not too far removed from the mainstream—it's still a spherical body orbiting a star, massive enough to be held together by gravity, but not so massive as to cause thermonuclear fusion by itself."
So far, so good—he even noted later in his message that the number of planets in the universe is still unknown, which the scientists behind planet-hunting projects will surely be pleased to hear. (If you're wondering how Svarrior can believe all planets except his own are round, the account he runs told SpaceX CEO Elon Musk that Mars has been observed to be round, but Earth has not.)
"In our model of the solar system, the planets orbit the sun, which in turn orbits around the Northern Hub," Svarrior continued, again bringing us back to the days before 1543 and the Copernican Revolution."
https://www.newsweek.com/we-asked-two-flat-earthers-what-about-other-planets-728959
And I found this from a couple of years ago. A guy rendered an animation showing the planetary orbits over the AE FE model:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtKCpyvCo0
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The description of retrograde motion in FE Wiki seems to have one small flaw in it. The top image is indeed very reminiscent of what retrograde motion looks like in the sky. But the schematic below shows the Sun in orbit around the northern hub. Given that the Sun seems to dissect the retrograde loop of the planet, that surely means that the Sun would be in the direct line of sight during the loop and therefore rendering it invisible to us.
Retrograde motion happens during the period before and after a planet further out from the Sun than Earth reaches opposition. The Earth is orbiting the Sun in about half the time that Mars does. (365.35 days v 687 days). So for a period of time, as seen from Earth the planet appears to move backwards against the background stars. The start and end times of the backward movement are known as stationary points in right ascension. At no point in this model does the Sun ever get directly between the Earth and the planet.