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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: Bobby Shafto on August 25, 2018, 02:14:05 AM

Title: Flat Earth Model
Post by: Bobby Shafto on August 25, 2018, 02:14:05 AM
This may very well be the best flat earth model in existence, even if it was written by a globe earth proponent.

It certainly can't address all of the variations of the flat earth (esp. JRowe's DET), but what I thought might be most fascinating is its "light bending" parameter that can be used to match some observations with the mechanics of a potential flat earth (with a dome). He says that there is no scientific explanation for the light bending, but Electromagnetic Accelerator Theory posited by the Flat Earth Society might be model-able with this tool. You just have to tinker with the inputs to get the light to curve the way EAT hypothesizes.

Read the conclusion and the purpose to understand why he created this model, but despite his motives, I think it finally presents a workable model that has been lacking in the FE library of tools and illustrations. I'd be very interested to hear FE critiques:

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat+Earth+Dome+Model (http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat+Earth+Dome+Model)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: TomInAustin on August 25, 2018, 04:41:10 PM
This may very well be the best flat earth model in existence, even if it was written by a globe earth proponent.

It certainly can't address all of the variations of the flat earth (esp. JRowe's DET), but what I thought might be most fascinating is its "light bending" parameter that can be used to match some observations with the mechanics of a potential flat earth (with a dome). He says that there is no scientific explanation for the light bending, but Electromagnetic Accelerator Theory posited by the Flat Earth Society might be model-able with this tool. You just have to tinker with the inputs to get the light to curve the way EAT hypothesizes.

Read the conclusion and the purpose to understand why he created this model, but despite his motives, I think it finally presents a workable model that has been lacking in the FE library of tools and illustrations. I'd be very interested to hear FE critiques:

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat+Earth+Dome+Model (http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat+Earth+Dome+Model)


Fascinating.   It would be awesome if someone from the other side would pick this project up and carry it forward.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: AATW on August 25, 2018, 05:08:45 PM
Good find. This is the exact sort of thing i was expecting when I joined this place.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on August 25, 2018, 05:53:21 PM
Wow!

Excellent mechanics. Leave it to a Globehead to do real FE science.

If they could just get past that annoying issue with the existence of the South Pole.

 
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: Dr David Thork on August 25, 2018, 10:26:28 PM
It is a very clever computer model, but it doesn't actually represent FET.


The firmament itself is responsible for reflection of light (like a reflecting window) which is why we get sun dogs and how the south pole can have 24 hours of light.

Most annoyingly, he has allowed you to change the height of the dome, but not the altitudes of the sun and moon independantly. He's got them up really high. Rowbotham had the sun at just 800 miles. I can't get them down that low. And they shouldn't touch the firmament. They aren't stuck to it.

But its his model and its very impressive from a programming standpoint.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: stack on August 26, 2018, 12:01:42 AM
Most annoyingly, he has allowed you to change the height of the dome, but not the altitudes of the sun and moon independantly. He's got them up really high. Rowbotham had the sun at just 800 miles. I can't get them down that low. And they shouldn't touch the firmament. They aren't stuck to it.

He kind of addresses this in the comments:

"Sun inside or outside the Dome (Wabis to Dave)

It is not relevant for this model whether the sun is inside or outside of the dome. The dome shown in this model is simply a visual grid to show the locations of the sun and moon. You can imagine the real dome to be farther out if you wish. That does not change anything."
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: Bad Puppy on August 26, 2018, 11:08:18 AM
It is a very clever computer model, but it doesn't actually represent FET.


The firmament itself is responsible for reflection of light (like a reflecting window) which is why we get sun dogs and how the south pole can have 24 hours of light.

Most annoyingly, he has allowed you to change the height of the dome, but not the altitudes of the sun and moon independantly. He's got them up really high. Rowbotham had the sun at just 800 miles. I can't get them down that low. And they shouldn't touch the firmament. They aren't stuck to it.

But its his model and its very impressive from a programming standpoint.

24 hrs of light on the south pole, eh?  Please enlighten me with evidence of such reflection that could explain this.  No magic.  Explain the position of the sun throughout the day and how it reflects only on the south pole for 24 hours for weeks, but never at any other time of the year.  On which flat earth model does this reflection occur?

This conveniently ignored thread.
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=10546.0 (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=10546.0)

Can you predict when it will occur in 2018 using flat earth "science"?  (No peeking at round earth answers.  That's cheating.)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: Dr David Thork on August 26, 2018, 11:14:52 AM
It is a bit off topic but you get the 24 hour sunlight due to reflected light hitting the 'glass' of the firmament and bouncing back towards you.

(https://www.niwa.co.nz/media/30494/download/stevens-place-sundogs_credit_craig_stevens_niwa.jpg)


That's how you get the corridor of light near the edge.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/23ubwwz.jpg)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: Bad Puppy on August 26, 2018, 11:35:41 AM
It is a bit off topic but you get the 24 hour sunlight due to reflected light hitting the 'glass' of the firmament and bouncing back towards you.

(https://www.niwa.co.nz/media/30494/download/stevens-place-sundogs_credit_craig_stevens_niwa.jpg)

Thanks for the beautiful photo.  I love sun dogs.  They have a scientific explanation, too.  Anyways, there's a thread for that that died two years ago.  I don't want a couple of dogs to derail this one.
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4704.0 (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4704.0)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Model
Post by: Bobby Shafto on August 27, 2018, 01:54:17 AM
You just have to tinker with the inputs to get the light to curve the way EAT hypothesizes

Unfortunately for EAT, light in this model must also bend horizontally in addition to vertically. EAT only describes vertical light bending.