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Title: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on December 22, 2013, 05:06:34 PM
I have just finished watching These Are The Voyages..., which marks the end of my Star Trek journey. I have now seen every Star Trek film and episode in existence.

Just thought you ought to know.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Lemon on December 22, 2013, 05:17:40 PM
And I have seen none.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on December 22, 2013, 05:32:14 PM
>didn't watch them in chronological order.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pete Svarrior on December 22, 2013, 06:46:26 PM
>didn't watch them in chronological order.
Define "chronological".
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 22, 2013, 08:06:45 PM
I have now seen every Star Trek film and episode in existence.

Even the animated stuff?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: bj1234 on December 22, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
>didn't watch them in chroniclogical order.
Define "chronological".
chroniclogical- watching while high on marijuana.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: GeneralD on December 22, 2013, 08:47:42 PM
I have just finished watching These Are The Voyages..., which marks the end of my Star Trek journey. I have now seen every Star Trek film and episode in existence.

Just thought you ought to know.

Do you feel like your life is improved as a result?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on December 22, 2013, 11:04:07 PM
Even the animated stuff?

Yes.

Do you feel like your life is improved as a result?

Yes.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on December 23, 2013, 12:46:44 AM
I have just finished watching These Are The Voyages..., which marks the end of my Star Trek journey. I have now seen every Star Trek film and episode in existence.

Just thought you ought to know.
That was a terrible episode, and Riker was so fat!
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on December 23, 2013, 02:55:29 AM
>didn't watch them in chronological order.
Define "chronological".
Going by stardate. Hehehehehehe.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: garygreen on December 23, 2013, 03:46:25 AM
Which series was your favorite?  I grew up watching TNG, and it has a special place in my heart.  But watching it now, I realize that so many episodes are garbage.

I think DS9 has the best writing of the whole series, and it has the fewest shit episodes.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on December 23, 2013, 03:57:00 AM
Mine is TNG. And Voyager is the worst.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 23, 2013, 04:50:42 AM
What about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPn-lTytfGo
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on December 23, 2013, 01:22:56 PM
Which series was your favorite?  I grew up watching TNG, and it has a special place in my heart.  But watching it now, I realize that so many episodes are garbage.

I think DS9 has the best writing of the whole series, and it has the fewest shit episodes.

TNG had a lot of bad episodes the first two seasons but the last five were the finest in the franchise. DS9 is a close second.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on December 23, 2013, 01:25:53 PM
Also, BSG.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: garygreen on December 23, 2013, 02:49:03 PM
I liked Enterprise a lot in general, but I didn't like the Xindi plot arc at all.

TNG has the best three Star Trek episodes of the whole franchise: Best of Both Worlds I and II, and Q Who.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on December 23, 2013, 02:53:50 PM
That was a terrible episode, and Riker was so fat!

I thought it was a good finale, given the constraint of having to end the series three seasons early. The writers obviously had a direction they were taking the series in which had to be accelerated once it got cancelled, and the way they wrote the finale was a good way of telling the story they wanted to.

Which series was your favorite?

If I had to pick, it would be a close tie between TOS and Voyager. But not by very much; I like them all. I'd say there's more variation within each series than between the series.

I think DS9 has the best writing of the whole series, and it has the fewest shit episodes.

DS9 is good, but basically all of season 5 was a bore for me. It felt like they just wrote an entire season of filler. Aside from that, it's a great series.

I liked Enterprise a lot in general, but I didn't like the Xindi plot arc at all.

Really? I found the series really started to pick up at that point.

TNG has the best three Star Trek episodes of the whole franchise: Best of Both Worlds I and II, and Q Who.

I'd have to strongly disagree. My three favourite episodes are two from TOS (The Cage and Miri) and one from TNG (The Inner Light).

The main reason I wouldn't say I have episodes I especially favour after TNG is that they started to spread stories across multiple episodes, so it's harder to pick one.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 23, 2013, 03:07:21 PM
How will you spend your time now?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pete Svarrior on December 23, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
How will you spend your time now?
I say he should re-watch all of Star Trek again, this time writing a 1000-word review of each episode.

Question is: is he up to the challenge?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on December 23, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
The Visitor rivals The Inner Light for me, but I recall watching Best of Both Worlds I when it originally aired and it was the most gripping suspenseful piece of television I had ever seen.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: rooster on December 23, 2013, 04:10:11 PM
The Inner Light was definitely an interesting episode. But I think the Q episodes are also my favorite. Particularly the one where they have to fix the future by fixing the past, I don't recall what the episode title was. I also really love Guinan episodes since I thought the El-Aurians were really fascinating.

Any of TNG with Wesley was automatic shit. I hate Wesley.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: jroa on December 23, 2013, 04:38:46 PM
I actually enjoyed Voyager.  I don't know why people hate it so much. 
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on December 23, 2013, 04:41:20 PM
shit writing and shit characters.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: markjo on December 23, 2013, 05:13:40 PM
I have now seen every Star Trek film and episode in existence.
Have you watched the fan films?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_fan_productions
http://www.starwreck.com/
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on December 23, 2013, 05:15:48 PM
I have now seen every Star Trek film and episode in existence.
Have you watched the fan films?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_fan_productions
http://www.starwreck.com/

Irrelevant.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: markjo on December 24, 2013, 01:21:39 AM
I have now seen every Star Trek film and episode in existence.
Have you watched the fan films?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_fan_productions
http://www.starwreck.com/

Irrelevant.
Then you haven't seen every Star Trek film and episode in existence, you big fibber.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on December 24, 2013, 01:35:51 AM
Are the fan "films" on film?  If not, Parsifal's statement is unambiguously true.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Roundy on December 24, 2013, 02:47:44 AM
I'd have to strongly disagree. My three favourite episodes are two from TOS (The Cage and Miri) and one from TNG (The Inner Light).

Oh, yeah.  "The Inner Light" is my favorite Star Trek episode of all.  "City on the Edge of Forever" is my favorite TOS episode.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Lord Dave on December 24, 2013, 11:23:16 AM
Congratulations on your achievement.

Now you have the entire new universe to explore. 

May God Help You..
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: garygreen on December 26, 2013, 12:44:15 AM
If I had to pick, it would be a close tie between TOS and Voyager. But not by very much; I like them all. I'd say there's more variation within each series than between the series.

DS9 is good, but basically all of season 5 was a bore for me. It felt like they just wrote an entire season of filler. Aside from that, it's a great series.

Voyager was great.  I liked its series arc there more than any other series.  It gave them so many great avenues for writing new things and adding a lot to the cannon.  Voyager is terribly underrated.

I'd have to strongly disagree. My three favourite episodes are two from TOS (The Cage and Miri) and one from TNG (The Inner Light).

The main reason I wouldn't say I have episodes I especially favour after TNG is that they started to spread stories across multiple episodes, so it's harder to pick one.

The Inner Light is really great.  I haven't seen all of TOS, and most that I have I haven't seen since I was a child.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on December 26, 2013, 02:10:59 AM
Voyager was great.
Incorrect.
Voyager is terribly underrated.
Incorrect.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: markjo on December 26, 2013, 08:02:41 PM
Are the fan "films" on film?  If not, Parsifal's statement is unambiguously true.
Are all of the episodes on film?  If not, then your objection is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: EnigmaZV on December 26, 2013, 08:41:37 PM
Perhaps you should move to Stargate?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on December 26, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Are the fan "films" on film?  If not, Parsifal's statement is unambiguously true.
Are all of the episodes on film?  If not, then your objection is irrelevant.

Parsifal said he watched all of the episodes and films. Resistance is futile.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on December 26, 2013, 10:10:31 PM
Perhaps you should move to Stargate?

I've already moved on to Red Dwarf.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 26, 2013, 11:08:42 PM
Perhaps we should organize a list of official recommendations of shows or movies for Parsifal to watch.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: EnigmaZV on December 26, 2013, 11:19:28 PM
Perhaps you should move to Stargate?

I've already moved on to Red Dwarf.

Also a good choice.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: markjo on December 27, 2013, 02:12:24 AM
Perhaps you should move to Stargate?

I've already moved on to Red Dwarf.
Now you just need to find a good vindaloo.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Lord Dave on December 27, 2013, 03:56:08 PM
Perhaps you should move to Stargate?

I've already moved on to Red Dwarf.
I tried watching that but the accent was so difficult to understand that I needed subtitles for half of it. 
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: EnigmaZV on December 27, 2013, 04:01:27 PM
Perhaps you should move to Stargate?

I've already moved on to Red Dwarf.
I tried watching that but the accent was so difficult to understand that I needed subtitles for half of it.

Seriously? I had no problem at all.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on December 27, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
Perhaps you should move to Stargate?

I've already moved on to Red Dwarf.
I tried watching that but the accent was so difficult to understand that I needed subtitles for half of it. 

In 'murika we don't like no accents but ours.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: rooster on December 31, 2013, 04:45:01 AM
Watch Galaxy Quest. It's a classic.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on January 01, 2014, 02:37:15 PM
shit writing and shit characters.

It was shit as a series, but as individual stories, I think Voyager had some of the best, especially Doctor episodes like Critical Care and
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Message in a Bottle.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on January 01, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
Voyager's one-offs do not hold a candle to TNGs or DS9s one offs. Fact.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on February 27, 2015, 07:34:17 PM
RIP Leonard Nimoy. You lived long and prospered.  :'(
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on February 27, 2015, 07:45:31 PM
RIP Leonard Nimoy. You lived long and prospered.  :'(

This.

He was not Spock. Then he was Spock. Now he will be forever Spock.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 03, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
Finally getting around to watching all of Enterprise. I don't have much of a problem with it, other than the intro song (at least in the first season). Who thought this song was a good idea? Lyrics? Power ballad about faith? I don't understand why they didn't stick with a purely instrumental piece for the intro, like every other damn iteration in the series.

Besides that, Captain Archer gets on my nerves sometimes, but I think I'm warming up to him. He's extremely reckless and irresponsible in almost every episode. He plays God, he doesn't assess risks, and he gets involved with situations that he has no business with just because he's "on a peaceful mission of exploration". For example, on the second or third episode, the Enterprise visits an uninhabited hospitable planet (the first one for Enterprise, mind you) and some of the crew wants to camp out on the surface. He decides this is a good idea and lets them do it. Each member camping ends up inhaling a hallucinogenic compound that is released by the flora at night, then danger ensues. The crew practically goes insane, and Trip tries to kill T'Pol. Wow, great decision Captain. Maybe you should have considered the risks of staying on a planet you know nothing about overnight? Let's not forget every time he sees a ship he immediately hails them with his "Hi I'm the Enterprise from Earth how can we help you out?" crap, which usually ends with disastrous results.


I understand that Enterprise chronicles the journey of the first starship and the first captain of a starship, and that Archer would be a bit more naive compared to Picard, Sisko or even Janeway... but his naivety borders on straight up stupidity most of time. Sometimes it even feels like bad writing, simply to start a plot or cause a problem to carry the episode.

Other than that, it feels like a Star Trek series, which is good and an accomplishment in its own way... although the only characters I'm really interested in are T'Pol and Phlox.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Particle Person on April 03, 2015, 06:22:50 PM
Who would win in a star fight, Captain Star Trek or Commander Star Wars?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on April 03, 2015, 06:29:27 PM
Finally getting around to watching all of Enterprise. I don't have much of a problem with it, other than the intro song (at least in the first season). Who thought this song was a good idea? Lyrics? Power ballad about faith? I don't understand why they didn't stick with a purely instrumental piece for the intro, like every other damn iteration in the series.

Pretty much exactly the same as my own impression of it. I don't understand why everyone says it sucks; it's clearly the weakest of the entire franchise, with the exception of the films from Generations onwards, but it's not that bad.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Roundy on April 03, 2015, 06:32:39 PM
I've been going Parsifal on the whole franchise lately.  So far I've watched the whole original series, animated series, first six movies, and most of the first 2 seasons of TNG.

Most revelatory I guess is how good the animated series actually was (or could be, anyway, at its best).  I watched the original motion picture for the first time as part of this and it's really easy to see why it has the reputation it has.  And the original series is such a mixed bag.  There were probably more bad episodes than good ones, but a lot of the good ones were great ones, so I guess it evens out.  The best episode is "City on the Edge of Forever", obviously.

For the most part TNG has been awful, though it's finally starting to get better and develop into the show I remember loving so much as a kid.  Starting with "Measure of a Man", always one of my favorites, I've been on a run of mostly good episodes lately.  And thankfully it won't be long before Dr Pulaski is but a faint, irritating memory.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on April 03, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
The best episode is "City on the Edge of Forever", obviously.

I rewatched the first half of that on my recent flight home from New Zealand. Sadly, the plane had to land before I could finish. :( A great episode it is.

For the most part TNG has been awful, though it's finally starting to get better and develop into the show I remember loving so much as a kid.

TNG is almost total shite for the first couple of seasons. The only standout early episode was The Royale; that was the one that really got me hooked on TNG.

I recall it getting steadily better from around season 3, and the high point for me was the end of season 5, with the fantastic couplet of The Inner Light and Time's Arrow.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 03, 2015, 06:44:48 PM
Who would win in a star fight, Captain Star Trek or Commander Star Wars?

Captain Proton.

For the most part TNG has been awful, though it's finally starting to get better and develop into the show I remember loving so much as a kid.  Starting with "Measure of a Man", always one of my favorites, I've been on a run of mostly good episodes lately.  And thankfully it won't be long before Dr Pulaski is but a faint, irritating memory.

I think it gets better in Season 2, and then gets significantly better in Season 3. It's never Deep Space Nine caliber, but it's a damn good iteration of the series.

To be honest, I think the worst iteration is Voyager. Parts of it are great, like the rights of holograms issue and Nine (sometimes), but overall it detracts from the series as a whole. Mostly because of the finale. Now that time travel is a thing, nothing is really an issue anymore. At least it feels that way. Sure, there are other problems. The entire cast is weak, in my opinion, and the Doctor is the only real redeeming character. Janeway's ok, but she's just a female Picard. And Chakotay always seemed a bit like a racist character. They focused way too much on his Native American heritage and never really developed his character further than "ok I'll work with the Federation for now".

I feel like Voyager's finale needs to be decanonized.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on April 03, 2015, 07:22:02 PM
I still think Relics is the best TNG episode simply because Scotty.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Roundy on April 04, 2015, 03:45:11 PM
The best episode is "City on the Edge of Forever", obviously.

I rewatched the first half of that on my recent flight home from New Zealand. Sadly, the plane had to land before I could finish. :( A great episode it is.

For the most part TNG has been awful, though it's finally starting to get better and develop into the show I remember loving so much as a kid.

TNG is almost total shite for the first couple of seasons. The only standout early episode was The Royale; that was the one that really got me hooked on TNG.

I recall it getting steadily better from around season 3, and the high point for me was the end of season 5, with the fantastic couplet of The Inner Light and Time's Arrow.

"The Royale" was a good one.  Watching it recently it reminded me of the TOS episode "Spectre of the Gun", which I thought was one of the better episodes of TOS.  "The Inner Light" is definitely my favorite episode of TNG, maybe of the franchise as a whole, at least as things stand.  I know the best is yet to come and I'm looking forward to it.

To be honest, I think the worst iteration is Voyager. Parts of it are great, like the rights of holograms issue and Nine (sometimes), but overall it detracts from the series as a whole. Mostly because of the finale. Now that time travel is a thing, nothing is really an issue anymore. At least it feels that way. Sure, there are other problems. The entire cast is weak, in my opinion, and the Doctor is the only real redeeming character. Janeway's ok, but she's just a female Picard. And Chakotay always seemed a bit like a racist character. They focused way too much on his Native American heritage and never really developed his character further than "ok I'll work with the Federation for now".

Voyager will basically be new territory for me when I reach it.  I never did get into that one.  And I've never even seen a single episode of Enterprise.  I guess I'm part of the reason the franchise as it existed before the reboot basically died.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 04, 2015, 04:05:43 PM
If you watch Voyager just skip the finale. You won't regret it.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on April 04, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
If you watch Voyager just skip the finale. You won't regret it.

The finale was a total cop-out. It's like somebody realised they had to write an ending with one episode to go, and then tried to make it a climax without any plot development leading up to that point.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Lord Dave on April 04, 2015, 09:25:38 PM
If you watch Voyager just skip the finale. You won't regret it.

The finale was a total cop-out. It's like somebody realised they had to write an ending with one episode to go, and then tried to make it a climax without any plot development leading up to that point.
I loved the finale.  I thought it was a clever way to end the series without just saying "Oh they found a wormhole.  All done."
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 04, 2015, 09:40:06 PM
If you watch Voyager just skip the finale. You won't regret it.

The finale was a total cop-out. It's like somebody realised they had to write an ending with one episode to go, and then tried to make it a climax without any plot development leading up to that point.
I loved the finale.  I thought it was a clever way to end the series without just saying "Oh they found a wormhole.  All done."

This will contain spoilers for anyone who hasn't watched Voyager.

I'm going to have to side with Parsifal. Time travel just opens up too many stupid possibilities, and it's confusing. Did Janeway create a parallel timeline from the one we've been watching this whole time, or is this the same timeline? Obviously there's a paradox that crops up because of all this. The first being: if future Janeway saved herself and the rest of her crew then she would have no reason to go back in time to save her crew in the first place, which means her crew was never actually saved.. but they were. Now this could all be resolved by using different timelines, but that is never explicitly stated. It's just silly writing normally only reserved for Doctor Who, especially when it's used to resolve a series long arc. It almost demeans their whole journey. 

Also, why didn't she save everyone that died? I guess Seven of Nine and Tuvok were just more important than the rest of the crew that died during their seven year (?) journey. She technically had the power to avoid the whole situation.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on April 04, 2015, 09:42:20 PM
I loved the finale.  I thought it was a clever way to end the series without just saying "Oh they found a wormhole.  All done."

A better way to end the series would have been to kill off everyone on Voyager and have them never reach home. Just once, I'd like to see a sci-fi show with the balls to go against the grain like that. Battlestar Galactica (the 2004 series) probably comes closest, of the ones I'm familiar with.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Lord Dave on April 05, 2015, 01:17:16 AM
If you watch Voyager just skip the finale. You won't regret it.

The finale was a total cop-out. It's like somebody realised they had to write an ending with one episode to go, and then tried to make it a climax without any plot development leading up to that point.
I loved the finale.  I thought it was a clever way to end the series without just saying "Oh they found a wormhole.  All done."

This will contain spoilers for anyone who hasn't watched Voyager.

I'm going to have to side with Parsifal. Time travel just opens up too many stupid possibilities, and it's confusing. Did Janeway create a parallel timeline from the one we've been watching this whole time, or is this the same timeline? Obviously there's a paradox that crops up because of all this. The first being: if future Janeway saved herself and the rest of her crew then she would have no reason to go back in time to save her crew in the first place, which means her crew was never actually saved.. but they were. Now this could all be resolved by using different timelines, but that is never explicitly stated. It's just silly writing normally only reserved for Doctor Who, especially when it's used to resolve a series long arc. It almost demeans their whole journey. 
Or Janeway just goes back in time when she's old.
Or the Temporal guys just fix it.

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Also, why didn't she save everyone that died? I guess Seven of Nine and Tuvok were just more important than the rest of the crew that died during their seven year (?) journey. She technically had the power to avoid the whole situation.
Probably a combination of "yes" and "Time travel sucks so let's not mess with it so much as to save dozens of lives which may only cause more deaths in the altered timeline.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on April 08, 2015, 03:46:12 PM
I loved the finale.  I thought it was a clever way to end the series without just saying "Oh they found a wormhole.  All done."

A better way to end the series would have been to kill off everyone on Voyager and have them never reach home. Just once, I'd like to see a sci-fi show with the balls to go against the grain like that.

I don't think you would enjoy this as much as you think you would.  Unless it was maybe to prevent an all-out invasion of Species 8472 in to Federation space or something, that could work.  I did really like that Janeway seemed really surprised when her plan actually worked, which was pretty cool. 

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Battlestar Galactica (the 2004 series) probably comes closest, of the ones I'm familiar with.


Huh, I always thought the ending to Battlestar, although emotionally rewarding, was pretty close to Voyageur.

Starbuck fills the same sort of role as Future Janeway and it is sort of Deus Ex Machina in that way.  They did kill the President, but I did not think it was too against the grain.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pongo on April 08, 2015, 05:15:01 PM
Pongo's review of Star Trek:

TOS: The usual.  About a third of the episodes are great, two thirds are awful.  I don't know what stands out more episodes I liked like "Amok Time," "Who Mourns for Adonais," or "The Trouble with Tribbles," or the episodes where McCoy is suddenly deeply southern and making out with Easter Bunnies, the Enterprise visits the mobster planet, or the episode the Enterprise visits the Native American planet to teach us all what assholes explorers/conquerors are.  In the end, these "faux pas" of episodes are forgivable for taking TV science fiction where no show has gone before. The cast was great and undoubtedly the overall strongest part of the entire series.

TAS:  Didn't watch it.  Don't know if I ever will.

TNG: I'm not sure I can give an unbiased review; it's hard to see the series without looking through nostalgia-tinted glasses.  However, I did re-watch the series about 4 years ago and here are some of my comments.  I'm was glad when Denise Crosby's character Tasha Yar was killed off when the actor decided to leave the show.  However, her character's death was awkward and they couldn't seem to go very long without finding a way to bring her back around.  Gates McFadden, of The Labyrinth fame, was mysteriously missing in season 2.  What's that about?  The second half of the show's run-life was orders of immeasurable magnitudes better than the first half.  Wesley Crusher became a warp-being and shows up again in the last TNG movie?  Odd.  All of the holodecks should have been recalled to whatever Mexican factory they were made in.  All said and done, the series stands the test of time and is still very good.

DS9: Overall the best density of good episodes in any series and what I would probably say is my favorite.  The casting wasn't as good as other shows, but many individual performances were just as great.  I liked the long story arcs that was new to the franchise.  Not many criticisms, the show stands on its own performance.

VOY: I always find it ponderous when someone says that Voyager was their favorite series.  Sometimes I wonder if it's simply the series that they started on (the same way your first doctor is your favorite).  More likely it's simply a matter of differing tastes.  I found it strange that in the opening episodes they find a desert nomad that becomes a reoccurring villain.  I thought you were traveling at warp speeds to the Alpha Quadrant?  How does this guy keep showing up?  With the exception of The Doctor's Herculean, nay, Atlantean performance, none of the cast was anything but bland.  They may have well just named them Ensign The Asian One, Captain Woman, Tom Flyboy, Black Vulcan, Anachronistic Native American, or The Half Klingon of House Tension Ensues.  Some of the characters, most notably Ethan Phillips's character Neelix, I found to be an actively grating presence on screen.  Whats-more, the writers seemed to make an abundance of Neelix-heavy episodes, and they were all just terrible.  I'll only re-watch when I'm re-watching the franchise (Which I'm sure will happen again one day).

ENT:  I liked this one.  The cast wasn't all that great, in fact I only liked Connor Trinneer's character Trip and John Billingsley's Dr, Phlox.  After the first half of season one, the show really picked up.  I liked the submarine-feel of the bridge and the darkness in the Xindi season.  It seemed to miss the mark of "the first steps in exploring the galaxy", but with a better cast I believe this series could have been one of the greats.

Movies: All I can say about these is that they are what they are.  I heard they green-lit the first movie after seeing the success of Star Wars.  Without that, TNG may never have been made.  Many of the movies just felt like long TV episodes with better special effects.  Which I suppose is the problem with bringing a TV series to the big screen.  The new ones are entertaining Sci-fi movies, but seem to have little to do with TOS other than names.  They also seem to switch things just for the sake of switching it.  Like the Uhura kiss, the death of Kirk/Spock, and so on.  I also don't like the "different time line" thing.  I've invested deeply with the character's plights from the standard line so this just feels like a dream episode (you know, at the end the character wakes up and you find out everything you just watched was pointless).  If you're not contributing the standard timeline then it feels to me that you're just writing fan fiction.  Still though, the new movies are entertaining.


How do you feel about the new Star Trek: Renegade trailer?  I think it's neat.  I'm glad they "cast" Corin Nemec.  That guy can't lose.




https://youtu.be/OjeX5drV9ms
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 08, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
Tuvok, played by Tim Russ, is apparently in Renegades. So I'm already sold.

Overall, I think your reviews are accurate and I agree with most of them. I am still in the process of watching Enterprise, and I just got to the end of Season 1. What a great season finale and concept in general. I love the whole Temporal Cold War idea. I thought it was a bit stupid and gimmicky at first, but it's actually becoming fairly interesting.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pongo on April 08, 2015, 05:29:20 PM
Tuvok, played by Tim Russ, is apparently in Renegades. So I'm already sold.

His name is Black Vulcan.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on April 08, 2015, 05:30:46 PM
I don't think a Vulcan would age that much in just 10 years.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 08, 2015, 05:33:06 PM
Tuvok, played by Tim Russ, is apparently in Renegades. So I'm already sold.

His name is Black Vulcan.

(http://i.imgur.com/PUew8Mb.gif)



Tuvok is the best vulcan. See what I did there? I avoided a completely off-topic post.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Saddam Hussein on April 08, 2015, 05:42:40 PM
https://youtu.be/OjeX5drV9ms

What the hell is this?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pongo on April 08, 2015, 05:48:06 PM
It's an independently produced pitch for a TV show.  They crowd funded the money to make it.  Most likely, nothing will come from it, but it's a good proof-of-concept as is both shows there are fans willing to pay to make this and proof of a story line.  Though the "Federation on the brink of Destruction" is something that was played out before...
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 08, 2015, 05:59:48 PM
Why would the Federation, or Starfleet, think it's a good idea to throw a bunch of criminals on a ship and hope for the best? That's my biggest issue with the concept.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on April 08, 2015, 06:01:48 PM
https://youtu.be/OjeX5drV9ms

What the hell is this?
Still actively looking for things to bitch about, I see.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pongo on April 08, 2015, 06:04:10 PM
Why would the Federation, or Starfleet, think it's a good idea to throw a bunch of criminals on a ship and hope for the best? That's my biggest issue with the concept.

I dunno, it worked for Australia.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 08, 2015, 06:06:15 PM
Why would the Federation, or Starfleet, think it's a good idea to throw a bunch of criminals on a ship and hope for the best? That's my biggest issue with the concept.

I dunno, it worked for Australia.

Oh, you're right. My mistake.

Off topic, but what the hell happened to Vindictus? Where did that criminal rub off to?

Was going to fix the typo, but naw.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Saddam Hussein on April 08, 2015, 06:43:27 PM
But how they can make that?  Why aren't they getting sued?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: beardo on April 08, 2015, 06:50:33 PM
Because fuck you, that's why.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pongo on April 08, 2015, 06:52:41 PM
But how they can make that?  Why aren't they getting sued?

Presumably they have permission and Paramount (or whoever owns the franchise) will be taking a cut of the profits if a network picked up the show.  I can't imagine they gathered that ensemble without having concrete plans in place.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on April 08, 2015, 08:16:05 PM
Huh, I always thought the ending to Battlestar, although emotionally rewarding, was pretty close to Voyageur.

Starbuck fills the same sort of role as Future Janeway and it is sort of Deus Ex Machina in that way.  They did kill the President, but I did not think it was too against the grain.

I was referring more to the subversion of the underpinning theme of the search for Earth, when they find it and realise it wasn't what they'd hoped for. The actual ending of the series came across as simply settling for the best they could find after that, which is a nice contrast from the usual "everyone gets everything they wanted all series".
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Roundy on April 10, 2015, 02:08:02 AM
I'm glad they "cast" Corin Nemec.  That guy can't lose.

I wonder if anyone else got this besides me.  Do the young folks know about Parker Lewis Can't Lose?

Anyway, "Q Who" is probably where TNG really started to get interesting.  The first appearance of the Borg and it was actually excellent in almost every way... easily, I think, the best episode of the first two seasons.  You put "The Royale" above this, Parsifal?  ???
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: mister bickles on April 10, 2015, 03:18:39 AM
i was a fan of the early Star Trek with Cptn Kirk and Spock when i was very young.......
even used to go and watch "Star Trek marathons" @ the local cinema (the "Valhalla".....long gone now! :( )

how-ever, its just another jew/Illuminati/masonic con job......pushing the round Earth/big Universe/aliens meme......

its all part of the "end times deception" where the AntiChrist will mimic an "alien" and there'll be a UFO-type invasion.....that's, pretty much, why the whole Science Fiction genre was invented....

there are NO aliens (only a very large variety of demonic entities/demons and fallen angels), no "solar system"(s)/other 'planets', no galaxies and no "Universe" (as commonly understood).....its all a massive, diabolical deception that has been inflicted on humanity for the last couple of hundred years or so.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is68Oczw8SE
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 10, 2015, 04:47:54 AM
I'm glad they "cast" Corin Nemec.  That guy can't lose.

I wonder if anyone else got this besides me.  Do the young folks know about Parker Lewis Can't Lose?

Anyway, "Q Who" is probably where TNG really started to get interesting.  The first appearance of the Borg and it was actually excellent in almost every way... easily, I think, the best episode of the first two seasons.  You put "The Royale" above this, Parsifal?  ???

Every Q episode in the series is good, in my opinion. Voyager has about 4 Q episodes. Two of which involve Q's son, Q.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Roundy on April 10, 2015, 04:56:00 AM
Pongo's review of Star Trek:

I forgot to ask...

Would you review Rocky 5000 next?
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pongo on April 10, 2015, 02:22:20 PM
Pongo's Review of Rocky... 5,000:

Haven't seen it.  Presumably, Rocky wins.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Particle Person on April 10, 2015, 02:27:20 PM
Rocky doesn't win in every movie, though.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: EnigmaZV on April 10, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
I'm glad they "cast" Corin Nemec.  That guy can't lose.

I wonder if anyone else got this besides me.  Do the young folks know about Parker Lewis Can't Lose?

Anyway, "Q Who" is probably where TNG really started to get interesting.  The first appearance of the Borg and it was actually excellent in almost every way... easily, I think, the best episode of the first two seasons.  You put "The Royale" above this, Parsifal?  ???

Every Q episode in the series is good, in my opinion. Voyager has about 4 Q episodes. Two of which involve Q's son, Q.

My favourite part was when Sysko punched Q in the face.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Pongo on April 10, 2015, 03:40:34 PM
Rocky doesn't win in every movie, though.

My presumptions have been incorrect before.  Like in the 6th Sense. I was convinced that they kid was schizophrenic.  Turns out he was just playing make believe.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Particle Person on April 10, 2015, 04:10:31 PM
Well you know what they say about presumptions.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: xasop on April 11, 2015, 02:22:06 AM
Anyway, "Q Who" is probably where TNG really started to get interesting.  The first appearance of the Borg and it was actually excellent in almost every way... easily, I think, the best episode of the first two seasons.  You put "The Royale" above this, Parsifal?  ???

Oh, was that in season 2? I thought it was season 3. Q Who is a fantastic episode, yes, although since it comes after The Royale, I'd still say that The Royale is where TNG starts getting good.

I'm not sure how I'd compare them episode-for-episode. They're both great in very different ways.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Roundy on April 11, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
Anyway, "Q Who" is probably where TNG really started to get interesting.  The first appearance of the Borg and it was actually excellent in almost every way... easily, I think, the best episode of the first two seasons.  You put "The Royale" above this, Parsifal?  ???

Oh, was that in season 2? I thought it was season 3. Q Who is a fantastic episode, yes, although since it comes after The Royale, I'd still say that The Royale is where TNG starts getting good.

I'm not sure how I'd compare them episode-for-episode. They're both great in very different ways.

I see your point but I'd still contend "Measure of a Man" is the first really good TNG episode.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on April 11, 2015, 06:09:55 PM
11001001 is my favorite 1st season TNG episode.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Roundy on April 26, 2015, 12:28:38 AM
Right now I'm at the midpoint of one of the high points of TNG: "Best of Both Worlds".
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Roundy on April 26, 2015, 12:32:12 AM
They should have had Riker give the "Space" The Final Frontier" speech at the beginning of the second part.  As a tease.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Rama Set on April 26, 2015, 12:33:32 AM
Right now I'm at the midpoint of one of the high points of TNG: "Best of Both Worlds".

My favorite cliffhanger ever.
Title: Re: Star Trek
Post by: Ghost of V on April 27, 2015, 10:26:26 PM
Just got to the 3rd season of Enterprise. I'm enjoying the shift in tone a lot. It seems like this is when the show really becomes something unique. It's darker and less optimistic now, whereas the first 2 seasons seemed like a total rip of the basic Trek formula... although it feels closer in tone to Battlestar Gallatica now. I was pleasantly surprised by the shift despite that, mainly because I haven't been spoiling anything for myself this time around. Archer is becoming a lot more interesting, simply because he's willingly to kill some guys to get shit done and seems much more aware of his role as captain of the Enterpise. He's no longer doing stupid things, like getting involved in situations that he shouldn't be, and he actually seems to be following his own version of the "prime directive" now, despite the fact that there is still no prime directive in place. T'pol's development is... uh, ok I guess. I predicted her shift from Vulcan behavior to a more human-like character as early as season 1, so it wasn't very surprising. Every character is getting a lot more development this season as well, which is always a good thing.