However, whilst the members may have genuine issues with Daniel's running of the site, Daniel does not have issues with the members at large. He has very specific issues of trust with both you and Parsifal, and (frankly) for very understandable reasons. It is simply not reasonable to say "I do not see how personalities come into play here". They very obviously do, and you need to accept and acknowledge that it is a factor. Pretending otherwise is simply not tenable.
I haven't addressed this thread yet (frankly I haven't addressed much here of importance lately at all, hoo hoo) but as someone who really hasn't taken a particular side on this issue and continues to enjoy the benefits of both forums, albeit on more of a part-time basis lately, I feel like I'm in a position to address this particular argument in a fair, balanced, and unbiased way. It may very well be that Parsifal and PP started this forum in the first place because they don't like Daniel on a personal level, as a kind of "take that"; I don't pretend to be able to read their minds or divine their intentions. However, they didn't convince the majority of the forum's members to move based on such a personality clash. In the last couple years there have been some very real, very legitimate issues with the way the forum has been run that have affected all of us. I am convinced it was
entirely the way the forum has been run by its administration that led to the schism.
There was a time, long ago, that despite Daniel's general absence in any personal capacity on the forums I nonetheless felt like he cared about it, and the site ran well. That time is long gone. Maybe he got bored with it. I doubt many people would blame him; look at all the people who have come, stayed a long time, made a lot of useful contributions, and then disappeared. But whatever the case may be Daniel showed nothing but apathy toward the forum for a long time, and if he now regrets his lack of involvement and interest in promoting the Society and the forums so be it, but I don't think anybody can be blamed for regarding it as being maybe a bit too little, too late. I honestly don't even think he was even aware of the split until quite some time after it actually took place. I may be wrong about that so please don't rake me over the coals over it.
Frankly I myself was upset with how things were being handled at the time and I felt JD was being something of a condescending prick when he tried to address it. He has since apologized, and I accepted the apology, but it still goes to show how deep the problems over there were/are.
I would love to see a reconciliation but the fact is that theflatearthsociety.org is still a bit of a mess and it needs cleaning up, and Parsifal is absolutely correct that if Daniel wants to fix things, he's going to have to relinquish a little control. Not to Parsifal or PP, mind you; given their histories on the old site it would probably be insane for him to even consider it. But, somebody who genuinely cares about the Society, is willing to be a constant presence, and knows what he is doing. I nominate Thork (lol j/k aren't I hilarious?).
Anyway, the Wikipedia thing is just stupid and whoever did it should feel ashamed of themselves. In fact they must or else they would have owned up to it and either apologized or tried to defend themselves. I doubt it was PP or Parsifal, but I am also quite sure it wasn't just some noob passing through.
But sorry, I really have to say that I don't think that most of the members who now post here (such as it is, it's a wasteland here) and don't post there left the other site due to any kind of clash of personalities. I think it's a lot deeper and more legitimate than that. At this point I think that to try to put the blame on such a thing to
any degree is simply counter-productive, unnecessary, and frankly unfair. Just my two cents.
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