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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 07, 2024, 07:57:26 PM »

It makes sense to me why they would need a special Bible with the Constitution in it. They are attempting to bring Biblical study back into the school system. If they use a regular Bible then they can be accused of running afoul of their students' freedom of religion. They would get criticisms and questions like why not use the Quran or Torah?

If they integrate it into American and Constitutional history then they can use the Christian Bible. Thus, they have more a defense if they have a special Bible created with other documents integrated into it.

https://oklahomawatch.org/2024/10/03/state-education-department-seeks-bids-for-55000-classroom-bibles/

“We don’t want extra things in there; historical documents are fine,” Walters said. “If it’s the King James version and the Constitution, the Magna Carta, things like that, that are also in statute that can be used in the classroom, that’s fine. But we don’t want commentary around the Bible because this is to serve as a historical reference document.”

They want a specific version of the Bible used in early America, say that they are fine if documents like the Magna Carta are in it, and refer to the Bible as a 'historical reference document', which gives away what they are doing. While Trump's Bible probably sparked the idea, this appears to be more about skirting religious freedoms that created the separation of church and state in schools by combining religion with normal studies.

I suspect that they are at least 20 times more interested in using this as a mechanism for getting Bible study into schools than giving Trump money.

So why are they buying alot more than is needed to fit the mandate of 1 in every classroom that teaches history?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 06, 2024, 01:48:26 PM »

The Oklahoma school system responded and defended their requirements:

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4916077-oklahoma-trump-bibles-schools-ryan-walters/

Oklahoma defends Bibles-in-schools proposal after report that only Trump’s might qualify
...
“We are excited to bring back the Bible in its essential historical and literary context to Oklahoma classrooms. Superintendent Walters has committed the agency to an open and transparent RFP process, consistent with the norms for state procurement, that will be adequate to meet the needs of Oklahoma classrooms. There are hundreds of Bible publishers and we expect a robust competition for this proposal,” the spokesperson said.

They are saying that they are giving other Bible publishers a chance. I'm betting that other publishers can beat $60 for this unique project to bring Biblical study back into the school system under the context of American and constitutional history.

It is no longer the 1800's where custom stamped templates are created for every page of a book. It is not a labor intensive process to copy paste some freely available content into a word processor for book creation and get it printed. Books can be created on-demand now. It's more of a medium than a product. This situation is basically comparable to a school wanting a website which contains freely available versions of the Constitution and the Bible, with you guys here trying to convince me that only Trump can make such a website.

You would be better off arguing from the separation of church and state angle than this anti-competitive argument.

Because they got caught.
Ask yourself: why would the bible, a Christian text written over a thousand years ago, need the US constitution in it?

Answer: they don't.  This is a ploy to give Trump money. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 05, 2024, 11:50:47 PM »

A Bible that includes the US Pledge of Allegiance and the US Constitution is pretty much a 1950's-era conservative meme. This is likely why the Bible that Trump endorsed was created in the first place. Neither Trump or the Bible printing company originated the concept of merging US Constitution studies and Bible studies - that is an old 1950's Americana thing.

The claims that this requirement is anti-competitive are weak, even if Trump is the only person currently selling that Bible and gave schools the idea for the concept. None of it is copyrighted, and none of it is original. For it to be anti-competitive would have to play dumb and pretend that this is hard to obtain or create, or that no publishing companies have ever produced special prints for schools, which is false.

If someone who is eligible to make a bid wants to create that meme Bible, they can throw it together and order prints within a day with various online services. Any major publishing house has the resources to bid for the requirements easily. The God Bless the USA Bible that Trump endorsed is also $60. If someone can beat that price in a government bid, they get the contract.

Except thats not how it works.
I've done the whole bidding process.

So first you get a list of approved suppliers from the state.  This is done annually or bi-annually and doesn't change much. 

The suppliers have pre-agreed upon prices for items.  This is a contract and can't be changed.

If no approved suppliers has the item you need on their lists, you are allowed to find one who does.  And lo and behold... They did.

A publisher can't simply go "we'll make you one to order" as that won't be on the list.

It's VERY possible that the mandate was made after the list was published and the publishing company Trump uses added his bible to the contract list.  Which makes it the default winner.  But I'd need to see timelines.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 04, 2024, 02:36:58 PM »

Oh look, a school mandate to give Trump money.

https://x.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1842197843781571027/photo/2

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: October 02, 2024, 06:29:30 AM »

Would you be concerned if someone ate your favorite pet?

You guys certainly don't seem that concerned, considering that you want to dismiss all claims by claiming that there is not enough evidence to your satisfaction.

Just learning from your fine example.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: October 01, 2024, 09:10:05 PM »

my girlfriend is a supermodel. you wouldn't know her, though, she goes to another school.

lol this never happened.

oh so nobody has ever had a girlfriend before?? supermodels don't exist??

no i just think he's lying

You think I am lying when my friend told me what he witnessed?

I think you're lying about having friends.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 30, 2024, 03:09:56 PM »

I have not either, but a friend of mine did go there. Surprise, he went to voodoo ritual and what did they do? Killed a cat, drank its blood.

A lot of cultures eat dogs. It is normal for them.

You have literally 0 credibility
Especially on a "a friend of mine said..." Kinda evidence.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 29, 2024, 08:40:30 PM »

No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.

It's not.

Also, the report in question was a woman who lost her cat and blamed the neighbors.
The cat was found in her basement.

It is part of voodoo rituals.

And you have evidence of this?  Or should I just take your non-voodoo ass's word for it?

You ever been to Haiti?

No.  Have you?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 28, 2024, 07:08:55 PM »

No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.

It's not.

Also, the report in question was a woman who lost her cat and blamed the neighbors.
The cat was found in her basement.

It is part of voodoo rituals.

And you have evidence of this?  Or should I just take your non-voodoo ass's word for it?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: September 28, 2024, 07:06:50 PM »

Maybe.
But it's kept Trump distracted.  And angry.  Which means he rambles and doesn't put together policy.  Which was the plan all along.  You'd know this if you were a Democrat and got the monthly planning letters.

Trump is a Democrat. DId he get the letters?

Yeah but he never reads em.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 28, 2024, 10:49:35 AM »

No "credible" reports. So, some reports were made.

Is it true Haitians eat dogs and/or cats?

Yes. It is part of voodoo.

It's not.

Also, the report in question was a woman who lost her cat and blamed the neighbors.
The cat was found in her basement.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: September 28, 2024, 10:23:29 AM »

Maybe.
But it's kept Trump distracted.  And angry.  Which means he rambles and doesn't put together policy.  Which was the plan all along.  You'd know this if you were a Democrat and got the monthly planning letters.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 26, 2024, 10:14:29 PM »

To me it sounds like political theater to show the locals that they are trying to do something, even if its pointless.

Most people want action, not thoughts of action.  Even if that action is known to be pointless.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 26, 2024, 08:06:31 PM »

Trump thrives on conflict.  If we ignored him, he'd be powerless. 

I wish we could ignore him.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 25, 2024, 09:11:54 AM »

So, we're going with "incompetence" for this one, it seems.

No, just standard politicking. No more necessarily incompetent than any other politician who does this kind of thing, which is all of them.

And the criminal charges keep piling up.

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate.

There is zero chance of this even making it past a prosecutor's desk, let alone holding up in court. Everything Trump and Vance have said is one hundred percent protected by the First Amendment.

Even tho it caused bomb threats?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bomb-threats-force-second-consecutive-day-school-closures-springfield-rcna171043

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Technology & Information / Re: ⚡Is my browser faster than your browser?

« on: September 23, 2024, 06:30:36 PM »

It seems the link contains some malware.

What makes you say that?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 21, 2024, 04:40:54 AM »

Not without some major shift in the government's behavior,  like nuking a city (in America) or something.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 21, 2024, 02:12:21 AM »

There are alot of reports, but they don't get national attention because they're borderline innocent or just not innocent at all. Local new, however, reports on them.  If only briefly.

That being said, its about optics.  Banning the guns that make national news makes gun violence seem less (if it does lessen it) and thus, less of an issue to be fixed.  Which means it's fixed (to the general population).  The rest?

Out of sight, out of mind.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 20, 2024, 08:25:03 PM »

Harris to Oprah: Anyone Breaking Into My House Is ‘Getting Shot’

Vice President Kamala Harris said she is in favor of the Second Amendment at a campaign event with Oprah Winfrey. “If somebody breaks in my house, they’re getting shot,” Harris said.

Nice. I've never heard Trump saying anything this amazing.

What?  But Democrats hate guns!   This must be a trick!  I bet she doesn't even own a gun!  She's a liar!
-Trumptards

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 20, 2024, 04:36:46 AM »

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-jewish-voters-will-bear-lot-blame-loses-fighting-antisemiti-rcna171938

Did we already have "scapegoating Jews" on the list of ways Trump is like Hitler or is this a new one?

I'm pretty sure at this point he's blamed every group that exists except himself.