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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2014, 04:35:15 PM »
It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips.
*sigh*  Do you even slightest bit of research before you make any of your outlandish claims?  Both poles seem to sport a fairly robust tourist industry.
http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Pole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica
http://www.polarflug.de/index.php?p=2
http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/arctic/expeditions/north-pole?gclid=CMyy68jRmMECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ
http://www.arcticodysseys.com/l_north_pole.html
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/

Nobody mentioned Antarctic tourism. I think this would be a good time to reference rif.org. We're discussing commercial trans-polar air travel, which the RE'ers in the thread are greatly underestimating the market potential of.

Oh really. What do you project the revenue of it to be?

I obviously can't provide a number, but probably fairly similar to the revenue produced by Concorde. It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight. The additional safety precautions would pale in comparison to the usage costs of Concorde, not to mention the development costs. Honestly, Concorde would be the more extravagant of the two by quite a bit.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2014, 09:40:05 PM »
It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2014, 09:50:20 PM »
It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?

I think he is referring to sight seeing, unless I am mistaken.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2014, 10:00:34 PM »
It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?

I think he is referring to sight seeing, unless I am mistaken.
I don't think so.  Rich people generally don't care about saving a few hours while sightseeing.  Then again, sometimes it's hard to tell what the Th*rk some of theses FE'ers are babbling about.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2014, 10:02:07 PM by markjo »
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2014, 12:06:45 AM »
Not saving time. The South Pole would be the goal of the sightseeing.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2014, 01:25:59 AM »
I suppose some people would consider that as 'sightseeing'.  Just doesn't have the same weight to it though in my opinion when compared to being on the ground and actually spending some time there.

Did I really visit the great pyramids in Egypt when I flew over and saw them out the window?
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2014, 03:29:59 AM »
I totally agree. I think seeing a large patch of ice at altitude is not very exciting.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2014, 03:35:34 PM »
It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?

Jakarta to Cape Town. According to some quick research they stop in Dubai for some reason. They could go directly over the pole and save a ridiculous amount of time and gas.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2014, 04:52:51 PM »
It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?

Jakarta to Cape Town. According to some quick research they stop in Dubai for some reason. They could go directly over the pole and save a ridiculous amount of time and gas.
You may want to do just a little more research.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Jakarta,+Indonesia/Cape+Town,+South+Africa/@-15.2618668,21.3483997,3z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x2e69f3e945e34b9d:0x5371bf0fdad786a2!2m2!1d106.845599!2d-6.2087634!1m5!1m1!1s0x1dcc500f8826eed7:0x687fe1fc2828aa87!2m2!1d18.4240553!2d-33.9248685
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2014, 10:56:31 PM »
It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?

Jakarta to Cape Town. According to some quick research they stop in Dubai for some reason. They could go directly over the pole and save a ridiculous amount of time and gas.
You may want to do just a little more research.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Jakarta,+Indonesia/Cape+Town,+South+Africa/@-15.2618668,21.3483997,3z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x2e69f3e945e34b9d:0x5371bf0fdad786a2!2m2!1d106.845599!2d-6.2087634!1m5!1m1!1s0x1dcc500f8826eed7:0x687fe1fc2828aa87!2m2!1d18.4240553!2d-33.9248685

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that link, but I suspect you're misunderstanding something. There are no flights following that path. It's the shortest theoretical flight path (on a round earth).
That's how far the horizon is, not how far you can see.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2014, 01:17:01 AM »
If that's tge shortest path, why would you want it to cross the pole?  The scenic route?

Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2015, 11:47:52 AM »
Conculsion please.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2015, 01:21:45 PM »
God is real.

Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2015, 06:27:58 AM »
Hello guys! I´m a newbie at this forum. I´m from Austria/Europe, so my English isn`t perfect at times. Hope you don´t mind.
I´d like to contribute to the pole flight topic here but before I do so there is a question to which I couldn´t find an answer in the FAQ/Wiki (maybe my search was too lazy?):

What diameter is the FE disc supposed to have? I mean the FE model where antarctica is building a rim.
Is it 40,000 km, corresponing to the circumference of the globe?
Do distances on this FE map match "real world" distances? Is it true to scale, or are there any distortions applied?
Thanks for your reply in advance!

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2015, 10:05:48 PM »
Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.

Proof: look at the earth with your eyes.
Measurements: See Euclid's Elements.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2015, 10:16:27 PM »
Hello guys! I´m a newbie at this forum. I´m from Austria/Europe, so my English isn`t perfect at times. Hope you don´t mind.
I´d like to contribute to the pole flight topic here but before I do so there is a question to which I couldn´t find an answer in the FAQ/Wiki (maybe my search was too lazy?):

What diameter is the FE disc supposed to have? I mean the FE model where antarctica is building a rim.
Is it 40,000 km, corresponing to the circumference of the globe?
Do distances on this FE map match "real world" distances? Is it true to scale, or are there any distortions applied?
Thanks for your reply in advance!
I'm not sure why no one has answered this for you. It may be because there are differing theories. Voliva for example worked from the premise that the earth had a diameter of 24,000 miles across, Erathostenes calculated 25,000 miles.
http://wiki.tfes.org/Erathostenes_on_Diameter

Your guess of 40,000km is correct. It is assumed the distance from the north to south pole is the exact same, earth round or flat both theories agree on the point to point travelling distance across the surface of earth.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2015, 10:34:14 PM »
Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.

Proof: look at the earth with your eyes.
Measurements: See Euclid's Elements.
I see the sun move across the sky from different locations at different times, that's proof.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2015, 11:33:56 PM »
Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.

Proof: look at the earth with your eyes.
Measurements: See Euclid's Elements.
I see the sun move across the sky from different locations at different times, that's proof.

That is the second time you've brought up time zones.  Once again, none of us claim that time zones don't exist.

Or perhaps you're talking about the change of the sun's path as the seasons change?  Yes, that is addressed in FET as well.  No one denies that happens, and I'm not sure why you continue to insist that it's proof the earth is a sphere.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2015, 12:28:59 AM »
Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.

Proof: look at the earth with your eyes.
Measurements: See Euclid's Elements.

This has been done and very recently on the other site and the conclusion was that observation did not match the trigonometric predictions for a FE, specifically relating to the sun's position on solar noon at the winter solstice.