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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there a secular reason for the round earth deception?

« on: January 15, 2019, 12:30:15 PM »

Honestly, this post probably won't get an answer, as it's more appropriately going to be relocated either under Community or Complete Nonsense. The reason being is that it's another form of the question, "what in the world makes you believe the world isn't round, are you crazy?"

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Another FEW Question...

« on: January 15, 2019, 11:23:14 AM »

I only see two proposed ideas of the force behind UA. That is in the TFES wiki, to which us REers are referred to all the time when we ask a question. So, ergo the members of TFES believe in one of those ideas. If not, improve your wiki.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Jupiter

« on: January 15, 2019, 01:53:55 AM »

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the age of the solar system is a tad bit more than 2000 years. Not sure how anyone can dispute that.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Another FEW Question...

« on: January 14, 2019, 11:55:53 PM »

stack's description is fairly accurate - UA acts like a current, because it pretty much is one, usually of aether.

There. That's where you said it. Bingo.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Another FEW Question...

« on: January 14, 2019, 09:01:31 PM »

Well, than I cannot determine either proposed theories by looking out my window. So both are false theories, based on your premise of being able to look out your window and determine the existence of something.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Another FEW Question...

« on: January 14, 2019, 08:57:23 PM »

Incorrect, Pete has made a claim in another post and states he believes it to be an aether.

Let me rephrase, per the Wiki, UA is described as a force that is created either by dark matter or another exotic matter.  I cannot observe this with my eyes looking outside a window. Therefore, it does not exist.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Another FEW Question...

« on: January 14, 2019, 08:43:49 PM »

I can't see the aether of the UA, so therefore it does not exist.

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Flat Earth Community / Flat Earth in other cultures

« on: January 13, 2019, 02:31:42 AM »

Are there any cultures in modern society that subscribe to a flat earth among the entire population? If so, what is the history of that belief? (Just curious, I like history and learning about other cultures).

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 13, 2019, 02:11:29 AM »

In the sources I cited, they refer to the phosphorus being mixed with opium.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 09:58:37 PM »

Well, I am assuming you meant the original claims of Wolfson that Rowbotham was hoodwinking people. You cannot deny that he was actually selling phosphorus as Samuel Birley.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 08:59:13 PM »

Ok, now that last statement I can agree upon. Phew, took us a while to get there. That is more along the lines of what I was thinking, but i definitely was not focused on that while trying to provide counter arguments. Good discussion.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 08:45:47 PM »

If it cured things, dont you think big pharma would be buying up all the phosphorus and selling it back to us at super high prices? The only place you can get phosphorus for human consumption is as a dietary supplement, or prescribed by a doctor if you have low levels of it, and that's usually given intravenously.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 08:38:05 PM »

Mayo Clinic does not list phosphorus as a treatment for any disease.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/phosphate-supplement-oral-route-parenteral-route/description/drg-20070193

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 08:36:13 PM »

According to the National Institute of Health, there is no medicinal uses for phosphorus.

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+1169

Go ahead. Say it. Big Pharma and government collusion.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 08:31:27 PM »

No. Incorrect. The sources I have provided for evidence are not opinion pieces from some random person on the internet. They are from accredited colleges here in the US and the UK. They have clearly cited sources in their bibliography. One is literally an information source on the "micronutrient", phosphorus.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 07:33:00 PM »

I literally never called them liars. I provided links to evidence saying that phosphorus does not treat anything. I also stated that the only links I could find when I literally googled "phosphorus medicine" were links to hack homeopathy websites.

I am beginning to see a pattern here in your worldview. "Everything new is a conspiracy." Medical literature at the time can be shown to be false many times over. Not intentionally false. But still, even drugs that exist today are based on research from earlier years. I can find no reference to phosphorus being used as a component in any drug from any time period except from before the late 1800s. Your telling me big pharma was active that long ago to discredit people? Your going on a long stretch there. Let me continue my research into this. You can dodge the argument all you want state that I am calling doctors liars and that big pharma is keeping the good doctors and their phosphorus down, but it's still dodging.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 07:21:01 PM »

Tom, provide me evidence from a recent medical journal, say in the last 50 years, that shows the efficacy in treating any disease with phosphorus.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 07:19:59 PM »

You keep citing studies that are not even relevant in the modern medical community. Are you going to start citing bloodletting with leeches next? Theres tons of medical research from that time period showing its effectiveness, too.

https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/minerals/phosphorus

There are no medical uses for phosphorus to treat an externally acquired disease. It's only used as a supplement to increase low phosphorus levels.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 12, 2019, 05:07:11 PM »

https://eic.rsc.org/feature/the-medicinal-history-of-phosphorus/2020257.article

Try reading this. Sorry. Its quackery. Clearly cited sources and everything. If you Google phosphorus medicine, literally the only thing you get is homeopathic remedy websites. In the history lesson in the link, the "medical literature" at the time cited it as a cure-all for anything from sexual impotency to tuberculosis. Does that provide enough evidence?

If you want to have a discussion on homeopathic remedies and how real it is, we can end this discussion now.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham

« on: January 11, 2019, 08:44:19 PM »

So, I would agree that phosphorous is an essential mineral in the body given its role in bone formation with calcium and other regulatory functions, but I haven't found any real research showing that phosphorous itself is used as a cure for any diseases. Its that point that the accusations of a snake oil salesman would come into play.  Due to the fact that if a person is low on phosphorous due to some disease which prevents phosphorous from being taken into the body during consumption of food, taking phosphorous as a supplement would obviously provide an improved outlook on health - but one would need to continue taking said phosphorous - it would not be a cure.

Albeit, I did not take the time to look into what Rowbotham was claiming phosphorous could do.

My assumptions, considering that he did this in later years, was not to mislead anyone, but he, himself, was taking it and felt better. Therefore, he decided to sell it to others. Not a good or bad thing to do. Gotta pay the bills.