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Flat Earth Theory / Very simple, elegant and effective refutation of Universal Acceleration and FET

« on: August 27, 2019, 11:11:32 PM »

Flat-earthers negate the existence of gravity. If it existed, the Earth would take the shape of (almost) a ball, that's how gravity works.
To counter the problem of the Earth's pull happening, somehow, without gravity, flat-earthers devised the concept of "Universal Acceleration."

There is a problem with Universal Acceleration though. And the problem isn't that "the Earth is just going to accelerate to the speed of light!"
Since flat-earthers seem to respect the theories of relativity (the special theory of relativity is, after all, mentioned on the FAQ page as a solution to the above problem), I will point out what that other, actual problem with Universal Acceleration is (and it is the most important problem with it), based on the grounds of the special theory of relativity as well (funny, isn't it? you live by the sword and you die by the sword ).

So here's the quick refutation of Universal Acceleration, and with it, of the entirety of the so-called Flat Earth Theory:
Earth cannot accelerate in a uniform matter ad infinitum, because with increasing velocity, the relativistic mass of the object increases as well. This is Physics 101. This would have crucial implications on the outside world, including any kind of measurements, to such proportions that these changes would be well visible to the naked eye. In fact, the Earth's acceleration would have to keep slowing down (which is not happening) to compensate for the potential increase in relativistic mass. Obviously, none of the above is happening at all, thus Universal Acceleration does not exist and is hereby proven to be false. And thus the Flat Earth Theory as a whole is proven to be false.

QED

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few questions about the Sun from a novice

« on: February 22, 2018, 05:28:30 PM »

If you are asking me that question, I assumed a continuous universe is one in which a line could exist. So since modern science believes an infinite line (a rather redundant term, I realize) cannot actually exist, then the house of cards upon which the ancient Greeks built their IP has been discounted long ago.  My grandfather actually took the subject "Euclid" in elementary school, but I am sure no one has taken that for 100 years.

Many scientists hypothesize that the universe is infinite, so an infinite line can in fact exist in it.
Plus Euclidean geometry is like the basic geometry from which most education and theories sprout.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few questions about the Sun from a novice

« on: February 21, 2018, 10:53:22 PM »

What is a continuous universe?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few questions about the Sun from a novice

« on: February 18, 2018, 12:23:13 AM »

1) I thought all the current models accepted by the most scientists that actually look at the data show that the universe is rather finite in nature.  That is, it began very small and is currently expanding.  Whether it collapses again or we all die an entropy death is a matter of current debate. 

How does that relate to my point?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few questions about the Sun from a novice

« on: February 16, 2018, 04:54:27 PM »

Also, since the sun is just 50 kilometers in diameter and just 3000 kilometers above the disc, then its size would differ by a margin of several tens of arc minutes at noon and at sunset, before fading away into darkness (because that’s how the flat earth model of the Sun selectively choosing how much power to put into lighting specific territories would look like - a small ball getting a few times smaller by sunset before disappearing ABOVE the horizon into darkness).

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few questions about the Sun from a novice

« on: February 16, 2018, 08:01:56 AM »

1. Unknown

2. Unknown

So you accept the theory that sun is a tiny, tiny ball hanging on the firmament just because? Just because it fits your “theory”?

3. It would need to be shown that the sunlight area behaves in the way predicted by RET, before we can proceed further on that line of inquiry.

What do you mean? We know what territory is lighted by the sun, and that causes a plethora of problems with it in the flat earth model, as the aforementioned ones.

4. The shape of the spot of light upon the earth does change size with the seasons. This is because the sun is also changing its height somewhat over the duration of year.

That’s not what I hear from most flat earthers, as Buran said.

Per your addendums, those perspective models rely on the Ancient Greek concept of a continuous universe. But no evidence for a continuous universe has ever been provided. It is questionable that perspective would behave in accordance to that model rather than in accordance to what we experience.

What is a continuous universe? What model of perspective is the right one in your opinion? One that predicts you can’t see things that are literally straight in your sight?

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Flat Earth Theory / A few questions about the Sun from a novice

« on: February 15, 2018, 09:17:53 PM »

Could someone explain to me how the Sun works in the Flat Earth model?

Namely:
1. How is it able to be suspended 5000 kilometers above the giant 40 thousand kilometer long disc and why does it rotate? It obviously doesn’t comply with the laws of gravity, so what force causes it to behave so weirdly?

2. How is a ball that is 50 kilometers in diameter able to produce so much thermonuclear energy to not only light so much territory of Earth but also keep burning? How does it produce so much energy? How does it not run out of “fuel”?

3. How does sunlight work? Supposedly it’s like a stroboscope, but how would that explain equinoxes, where the sunlight’s range differs dramatically in the Flat Earth model, in regards to the equator AND the “south” pole? The distance of the source of light is much smaller to the equator than to the South Pole, so why and how come sunlight works like that? Why is it so selective?

4. Lastly, if you guys could explain the last question, then why is the case so much different for all the other seasons? Why does the Sun somehow selectively change the power of sunlight in regards to specific regions of Earth at different times differently?

That’s all. I hope the discussion will be polite and civil. I just want to know what Flat Earth explanation could be behind all this.

Addendum:
What exactly causes the Sun not to be able to be seen by a distant observer? Pic related.
https://m.imgur.com/XERV7aH

And something related to the Sun - phases of the moon. How would they work on Flat Earth? Someone seeing a full moon in Portugal would witness a quarter moon elsewhere, and that’s something that can’t happen, as everyone sees the moon the same.
Pic is related.
https://i.imgur.com/TXeWn3R.jpg