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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I have a question about 2 photos I took today
« on: December 14, 2017, 01:55:21 AM »
See our answers in this discussion: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6875.0

Ok I just wasted 15 minutes reading the entire linked thread. It shows without any shadow of a doubt that your perspective nonsense just does not work and the Mount Ranier picture is absolute and conclusive proof of that, not that any more was needed. Perspective is an optical illusion as it does not and cannot change reality. Parallel railway lines remain parallel and do not meet, any more that people get smaller as they get further away, and a Sun at 3000 miles altitude cannot illuminate the underside of a cloud at 2000ft.

Case closed!

Roger

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If the Earth is Flat...
« on: December 14, 2017, 01:18:23 AM »
In other words, we never will have "curvy" problems trying to fit things together on "paper" or on an XY map, because they ground where they originated has no "curvy" nature to cause us problems?

Yes, and in other, other words, if the FEers truly wanted to have a Flat Earth Map, they need only use all the data that is extant at this moment. That data was, after all, created with regard to a flat earth, as they so often insist. Those who created and recorded all that data were mistaken in the belief that they were mapping a spherical earth, IF the earth is flat. They could start work on their map immediately.

It would be quite straight forward to check the accuracy of gps coordinates by travelling in a number of different directions from a fixed point on straight roads and compare the distances shown on the oddometer with those shown on the gps. Having established that the points are accurate, points further away could be plotted for map making. Bearings can also be taken during the journeys of relevant landmarks, then using basic navigational trigonometry those plotted points can be used to further test the accuracy of the other readings. The average should give an accuracy good enough to start making FE maps.

Roger

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Earth not a globe - floating Earth
« on: December 14, 2017, 01:08:52 AM »
Yeah. But frustratingly, where would you post/publish your review? I chose what appears to be the shortest and most transparent of the Wiki articles, the one on Eratosthenes, and posted about it in the Suggestions and Concerns thread out of a sincere desire to be helpful; I hate to see people make fools of themselves. I was told it needed to go in a Debate forum. So I put it there. Any answer? Nope.

It seems to me the only service that can be rendered here is to be a reasonable welcoming presence like CuriousSquirrel for newcomers.

Well I would certainly publish it here and hopefully new visitors will be able to get the opportunity of looking at real world evidence rather than just the usual claptrap. I think that is probably why many round earthers are here, to educate people into looking for themselves.
I also intend to carry out a Bedford Levels experiment in the Spring as I live about 15 miles from it. It does seem that robustly refuting what Rowbotham infers, is the best way to pull the rug from under the FE world.

Photos if you do!  Also, get air temperature measurements, the results of a Bedford style experiment are affected by air and water temperature, refraction can make it look like a win for the FE side.
Conveniently, I am a professional photographer and videographer, so will get some good images, including some interesting high magnification telephoto shots to show how things truly start to disappear over the horizon. I will also have a few reliable witnesses and equipment to measure temperatures and pressure. The experiment will also be carried out on at least two days separated by a week or so. I will also be carrying out an experiment with synchronised video camera at the coast, one on the cliffs and one on the beach to show the different view of ships just on the horizon in both wide and close angles. I may actually do that one at Dover as I will be able to see the French coast from the cliffs but not the beach.

Roger

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Lunar Nature
« on: December 14, 2017, 12:48:07 AM »
Roger's answer was from a round earth perspective which is incorrect. You should do some research about flat earth theory, there are lots of videos on youtube and articles online.

I did mention that my answer was from a round earther point of view at the bottom of my post.

Rather than getting the OP to look at youtube videos which are often faked, why not do exactly as I did and give your own answers to his questions, he may not be as experienced at research as you and as he came here with his questions, would probably appreciate a balanced response and consideration. You may also then encourage him to further participate in the discussions here to find out more about flat earth views.

Thank you

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Flat Earth Theory / I have a question about 2 photos I took today
« on: December 14, 2017, 12:38:03 AM »
Whilst driving home this evening at sunset, I took two photos 15 minutes apart. One was taken just after the sun went down and the other 15 minutes later. Both photos clearly show that the clouds are illuminated underneath by the sun which has set.

My questions is how could that happen if the sun is always 3000 miles above the surface of the earth and today the cloud base was no more than 2000ft?

Roger

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Technology & Information / Re: The Flat Earth Society official IRC chat
« on: December 13, 2017, 11:29:16 PM »
If anyone should be banned, it's Guest.

why you would have me banned?  :'(
If anyone should be banned, it's Guest.
Another thread involving this username that predates my account. What gives?

why you would have me banned?  :'(
He was talking to me, fuckface.  >o<

If anyone should be banned, it's Guest.

I'm deeply hurt by Beardo wanting to ban me, particularly as my beard is way better than his, then there are all these imposters who seem to have assumed my identity long before I joined this forum! I am confused ???

The real Roger G

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Quick questions and maybe an addition to the wiki.
« on: December 13, 2017, 11:18:11 PM »
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Sorry Tom, an omnidirectional light casts it's light in all directions, so how can it possibly cast just a spot-of-light on the earth. It must surely cast light in every direction on the earth.

Roger

Its explained in Earth Not a Globe.

Thank you Tom. As I have already downloaded Earth Not A Globe and have started to go through it already, perhaps you would be so kind as to direct me to the appropriate section.

Thanks,

Roger

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Earth not a globe - floating Earth
« on: December 13, 2017, 11:13:50 PM »
In all seriousness, I think it is highly educational, and I appreciate the fundamental physical insights by some solid thinkers here. Of recent recall: UA 1000G, 4 cities can't be mapped flat, Just climb a crow's nest, where's sunset on equinox?

Well one of the forum's suggestions is that people use their powers of observation, although it does seem that REs are doing most of that, or alternatively new FEs are taking that advice and thinking 'OH YEAH', then we never see them again once they get their heads out of Youtube into the real world.

In direct response to the OP, I have downloaded EINAG and will spend some time when work quietens down to plough through some of the nonsense to analyse it myself. I also intend to carry out a Bedford Levels experiment in the Spring as I live about 15 miles from it. It does seem that robustly refuting what Rowbotham infers, is the best way to pull the rug from under the FE world. Then of course there is always the Bible to fall back on for FEs!

Roger

Roger

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Quick questions and maybe an addition to the wiki.
« on: December 13, 2017, 11:03:26 PM »
The effect of the light upon the earth is a "spotlight", but the sun is not unidirectional. Read Earth Not a Globe.
It is the effect of the light upon the earth that is the "spotlight". Spotlight refers to the area of light that is limited in duration and extent, not the sun or its direction of light.

If the Sun is not unidirectional then the assumption would be that it is omnidirectional. Your second quote is also misleading as a 'Spotlight' is not limited in duration and extent, it is a focused light specifically lighting up a selected area and does not emit light in other directions. There are many almost identical dictionary definitions of a spotlight, here is one: Spotlight definition, a strong, focused light thrown upon a particular spot, as on a small area of a stage or in a television studio, for making some object, person, or group especially conspicuous.

Roger

Correct. It is an omnidirectional light which creates a spot-of-light upon the earth.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/spotlight_1

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spotlight - definition and synonyms
NOUN [COUNTABLE]  /ˈspɑtˌlaɪt/

1 a powerful light that shines on a small area, for example in a theater

Sorry Tom, an omnidirectional light casts it's light in all directions, so how can it possibly cast just a spot-of-light on the earth. It must surely cast light in every direction on the earth.

Roger

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Also, why did you give me 2 warnings at once? (I'm new here)

You have to forgive junker and me. We are both low on our meds this week. So we are a bit testy.

I have another possibility. Maybe the Flat Earth Society is government funded and lying to us as a test of the success of the U.S. educational system. You put out these FE ideas and then you measure how well they stick. If they stick very well, you know you have to fix the educational system. If they don't stick, you know your basic math and world awareness education is okay. For example, the wiki article on Eratosthenes is a measure for detecting errors of trigonometry and plane projection. It's all designed to improve the sharpness of mind in the populace.

An interesting response Tom  :) That would be a very interesting government experiment, to introduce all those amazing conspiracy theories to test the gullibility and education level of the people. It could be a very useful pointer to how people would respond to a foreign attempt to arouse the population by sewing targeted misinformation. The other hypothesis is that the whole conspiracy cult was started by foreign intervention anyway to influence the US population against the government. This could of course lead to a mistrust of all government institutions and the election of a rank outsider with anti establishment ideas. Mmmm, no surely not  ::)

Roger

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Lunar Nature
« on: December 13, 2017, 10:28:25 PM »
The moon appears to be a nearly perfect counterpart to the sun.
They appear to be about the same size as one another and about the same distance from the earth.
If the sun is a big ball of fire, than perhaps the moon is a big ball of ice.
Does the moon emit its own light?
Does lunar light cool as sunlight warms?

The moon has a face just as earth is said to have a face when viewing it from space.
The moon has two primary colors, dark grey and white.
Perhaps the dark grey color represents liquid and one material and the white color a solid and another material, or vice versa.
Sometimes the moon changes color, occasionally it's red, blue or golden.
I wonder what these color changes represent?
Maybe the lunar weather is changing, or vegetation on the moon periodically goes through metamorphosis.

I would assume from your questions that you are either lacking in education at this time of you life due to a young age, or are not widely experienced in observation etc, so I will attempt to answer your questions for you.

The moon appears to be a nearly perfect counterpart to the sun. They appear to be about the same size as one another and about the same distance from the earth.
There is no similarity between the sun and moon at all apart from their apparent size in the sky and the fact that they both appear to be round. The sun is much further away, but appears a similar size because of it's vast distance from us compared to the moon. The Sun is about 92 million miles and the moon about 240,000 miles. The moon's diameter is about 2000 miles and the sun's is 400 times larger, but as the sun is also 400 times further away they look the same size from the earth.

If the sun is a big ball of fire, than perhaps the moon is a big ball of ice.
If the moon were ice, then spectral analysis would show it, but it is just a ball of rock and dust basically.

Does the moon emit its own light?
The moon reflects the light from the sun, which is why there is an eclipse when the sun, earth and moon line up and the earth blocks the light from the sun. You can also see that the moon doesn't emit it's own light when the sun is to one side of it so you only see part of the moon reflecting the sun's light.

Does lunar light cool as sunlight warms?
As the light from the moon is purely reflected it doesn't directly radiate heat, however the surface of the moon that is in sunlight will warm up.

The moon has a face just as earth is said to have a face when viewing it from space.
When we refer to the face of the moon or earth, we are not comparing it to a human face, but the side or 'Face' that we see, rather like 'the face of a cliff'. Sometimes the moon appears to have two eyes and a mouth during a full moon, but that is just the positioning of surface features.

The moon has two primary colors, dark grey and white.
Basically correct, although the white is more a lighter grey.

Perhaps the dark grey color represents liquid and one material and the white color a solid and another material, or vice versa.
It has been known for centuries since the first telescopes that there is no visible liquid on the surface, although the darker areas are known as Mare or Seas as some of the early observers thought they could be seas and named them as such. We still use the same names now and if you look at the moon through binoculars or telescope you can clearly see the darker areas and the craters on the moon caused by meteorite impacts.

Sometimes the moon changes color, occasionally it's red, blue or golden. I wonder what these color changes represent?
The moon itself doesn't change colour, it is the effects of us viewing it through the earth's atmosphere that makes it look different colours sometimes. So a reddish dust cloud in our atmosphere could make the moon appear red, but there are many other conditions that can produce different apparent changes but are mainly changes in our atmosphere.

Maybe the lunar weather is changing, or vegetation on the moon periodically goes through metamorphosis.
There is no weather on the moon as it has no atmosphere, for the same reason there is no vegetation.

I hope some of that helps you and I should add that my answers come from a round earthers perspective although I am quite sure that some but not all of them will be agreed with by flat earthers.

Roger


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Satellite Phones V2
« on: December 13, 2017, 09:43:21 PM »
Iridium satellites are visible crossing the sky as they orbit over at precisely predicted times which are available from a number of observer sites for those that want to see for themselves. They are also responsible for the well documented and time predicted 'Iridium Flares' which are reflections of the suns rays once it has sunk below the horizon from the large solar panels on the satellites. Just google 'Iridium Satellite'

Roger

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Quick questions and maybe an addition to the wiki.
« on: December 13, 2017, 09:36:58 PM »
The effect of the light upon the earth is a "spotlight", but the sun is not unidirectional. Read Earth Not a Globe.
It is the effect of the light upon the earth that is the "spotlight". Spotlight refers to the area of light that is limited in duration and extent, not the sun or its direction of light.

If the Sun is not unidirectional then the assumption would be that it is omnidirectional. Your second quote is also misleading as a 'Spotlight' is not limited in duration and extent, it is a focused light specifically lighting up a selected area and does not emit light in other directions. There are many almost identical dictionary definitions of a spotlight, here is one: Spotlight definition, a strong, focused light thrown upon a particular spot, as on a small area of a stage or in a television studio, for making some object, person, or group especially conspicuous.

Roger

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Earth not a globe - floating Earth
« on: December 13, 2017, 09:09:34 PM »

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Any ONE of these ludicrous propositions is enough to discredit him; the fact that they're all in the same book makes one wonder if he was trying to let people know it was all a big joke. 

It reminds me of an email scam.  Those are usually made intentionally unreasonable and ridiculous, to weed out everybody except the very stupid and horribly gullible.  Email scammers specifically don’t want even modestly smart people responding, because those are people who will eventually balk at requests for money and personal details, thus wasting the scammer’s time.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head and exactly what I have said a number of times regarding this forum. It is great fun and a source of entertainment, but nearly all the discussion and serious comments are from REs. Tom is the only one who bothers to put regular arguments in place, (with the very occasional interjection from a couple of others), but they are carefully and intelligently structured to divert away from the actual discussion. Like Rowbotham whom he bases most of his arguments on, his knowledge in many areas is limited and flawed and he frequently refers to Rowbotham work as evidence which it clearly isn't. In spite of that, I find Tom's input fascinating and entertaining, which is why I stick with the forum. The forum is for fun, and like 'The Earth Is Not A Globe', is an interesting source of discussion for those capable of it and a magnet for various folks not so well able to think for themselves.

Roger

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StinkyOne, Roger G,
Ahhh, i shouldn't have mentioned 'sun phenomena' in this thread! :-[ ...The 'blinking sun'  was just an example.
Roger G, you could be right about camera re-focusing (when i was reading your post, i don't know why, but i sensed a lie...maybe i'm wrong...), but something weird is definitely happening with either the sun or with the atmosphere of Earth. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much various anomaly videos!

However we should concentrate more on 'advance youtube searching'. ;D

Your advanced search tutorial is very useful and it does enable people to search more specifically for things that interest them.

Slightly off topic but relevant to your post, I am troubled by your posting that you 'Sensed a lie' in my post. I don't lie and don't like being accused of it on a public forum, so would appreciate you being specific about what you feel I was lying about so that I can respond!

The reason people keep posting loads of videos about the flashing sun is because there are a lot out there who don't know how to use cameras properly and get convinced by others doing the same that it must be an anomaly with the sun. Don't believe everything you see on a screen  ;)

Roger

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: himawari-8
« on: December 12, 2017, 01:10:42 AM »
Hello Junker, I can't really see why you consider I am bumping the thread because you feel  there were no replies to 'My Satisfaction'. If it was my thread I could understand your position, but the Himawari satellite is offering a fantastic opportunity for REs and FEs alike to examine the photos from every 10 minutes and make their own real observations to verify or discredit the images. It would seem to be exactly the sort of subject and thread that would inspire people to respond, so apologies if you think I was intentionally bumping it, but merely expressing surprise at the lack of response! 
 
I must have missed one of the warnings as I thought I was on one previously.

Roger


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As a professional videographer, I had a look at some of the 'Flashing' sun videos linked to in the earlier post. I can assure you that every one I looked at are flashing due to pointing the camera towards a bright light, the sun, and the auto settings on the camera fighting to compensate for the extreme variations across the scene and not being able to. Just the sort of thing that can cause imaging chips on cameras to be destroyed. The sort of people who post these videos haven't got a clue how to set their cameras manually and just leave them on automatic. Fine for everyday family shots but for high contrast footage like the sky on a bright day, you run into all sorts of problems.

Funny how in one of the videos there are hundreds of people walking about but not one of them seems to have noticed that the sun is flashing  ::) Every time I bother to look at conspiracy or 'unexplained events' videos, I see every day lens refractions, light reflections or blobs of dust close to the lens. Then you get the out of focus and pulsating autofocus shots and other general misuse signs that dumb people want to believe are ufos, ghosts, spirit orbs, flashing sun or other crap. then of course there are those that dissect every second of NASA and other footage to see cloud faces or aliens in a split second of footage when it is quite clearly something normal to anyone with any experience. lets not also forget those with some editing ability that submit videos to youtube that are obviously faked and those at the top of the tree that are more able and love putting together special effects to show how clever they are and get high viewing numbers. Unfortunately they are rarely good enough to get a proper job in professional CGI companies.

Roger


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: himawari-8
« on: December 10, 2017, 01:59:40 PM »
There seems to be a distinct silence from FEs on this very relevant thread. Could it be that they have no logical answer?

Roger

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth rocket launch this weekend
« on: December 10, 2017, 01:56:23 PM »
of course there are other governments outside of the US that have a space programme. im talking about the US government since they are perfectly fine shooting things out of the air as long as they benefit. in this case they benefit by having this guy not expose the truth. and obviously they wouldn't explicitly shoot down the guys rocket, they would have someone else do it so they can easily cover it up

Forgive my stupidity, but how does the US government shooting down a stuntman in a rocket hide their cover up, when every other space agency around the world is putting satellites into orbit on a regular basis which clearly show that the world is spherical, along with all the other meteorological and astronomical data collected daily by other countries?

Roger

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Flat Earth Community / Re: i have some questions
« on: December 10, 2017, 01:47:41 PM »

so i think its true that the government is tricking people into believing that the earth is flat?
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So are we talking about the US government, because just in case you didn't know, there are other countries and governments outside of the US, including my own that has been around a few centuries more than the US one  :o

Roger


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