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Flat Earth Community / Re: How many people are in on the conspiracy?

« on: January 13, 2015, 05:48:55 PM »

Very few people need to be in on any conspiracy.
One thing that we can all agree on is, there has been and certainly always will be shenanigans going on behind our backs and even in front of our faces. Some barely warrant a head turn and others warrant serious questioning.

The problem with questioning stuff, is the fact that it will always have arguments against it and not just by people with agenda's but by people who trust official lines, as well as other conspiracy theorists that have alternative ideas as to what's going on.

It sort of categorises people into groups.

Having said that, it also works (in my opinion) with the people who are part of any supposed mis-info put out.

All it needs is a group of people to instigate a scam. They then use contractors to supply and build whatever they require.
Let's say for instance they tell us they have invented a fusion bomb. They get people to build a casing and build parts. Those people are told that the parts are for the bomb.
They can then pretend that the special ingredients used is top secret and only the top scientists know what it is and how it's employed.
In reality those at the top simply have to sit and drink coffee- smoke cigars etc, while the rest of the work force are all compartmentalised; all believing that they are building some part of this fusion bomb.

When it's finished it's rolled out; and voila, all the workforce cheer and feel chuffed for having a part in it.
Anything more complicated that requires more people is simply compartmentalised on a bigger scale and a need to know basis scenario.
It's not hard to keep the scammers to a bare minimum, while the rest are only taking part in it because they believe it's as true as we do, or many of us do.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: When the space ships were supposedly in space where were they?

« on: January 13, 2015, 05:10:57 PM »

It would be hard to tell what range a ballistic missile could achieve. At a guess, judging the fact that a ballistic missile must always arc to it's height then arc back down, it stands to reason that it will have to achieve half of its target on the up arc and then the other half on the down, obviously still powered.
Taking into account that rockets (genuine rockets) use their fuel up extremely quickly and basing on size of rocket - structure of rocket, I'd estimate that you could maybe hit a target from ground to ground of maybe 40 or 50 miles. This is a guess and simply only that. This does not mean it can't go further than that.

My opinion is that rockets are basic and always will be. They are little more than a firework. You light the fuse, ignite the fuel and the fuel carries the weight into a ballistic trajectory until it quickly extinguishes.

Let's go even more basic and equate it to throwing a ball.
If you throw a ball almost horizontally - maybe gaining a small arc, you will throw it a short distance before it hits the ground, fairly quickly. It requires less power to do so but loses flight due to it not having anything to hold it up after release.

Throw that ball up into the air with all your force in a much steeper arc and your ball will travel much further before hitting the ground.
Yeah I know it's a simple context but that's the thing. You see, a rocket is also a simple thing. It doesn't require these supposed engines they tell us they have on the supposed big saturn V rockets. It stands to reason that they wouldn't work if they were engines.
You have little pumps, pumping fuel and oxygen. They simply couldn't mix it at the rates they tell us these super rockets blast out.
It would literally have to be an open cannister, like a water bottle rocket and air to move something like that - but if that were the case, you could guarantee the rocket would go to lift off and simply collapse into a fire ball.

To get a rocket that size into the air, it would literally have to be made out of super light material, almost as light (to scale) as a firework rocket.
Naturally in a liquid fuel rocket, this can't happen on that scale due to weight of fuel and also the pressure it's under. Realistically the rocket would have to be made of thick metal, like a compressed air cylinder but of mammoth size, which wouldn't get off the ground anyway.

As I explained before on the other site. You would never see any rocket lift off in slow motion like we see in space rocket launches on TV. It just wouldn't happen.
For a rocket to launch straight up - true - like we see on TV, it would have to be ridiculously balanced on take off, meaning all burning fuel somehow pushing it evenly off that launch pad and at super speed. In fact, springboard speed, like a person dropped onto a trampoline then sprung off it. Something like that or you would not have balance.

If you do not take off at speed, you are at the mercy of changing pressures under the rocket and one uneven push against any part of the underside of the rocket fuel means your rocket is going to simply tip over.

Taking off at speed gives balance. The nose of the rocket pushes through the air and transfers that air faster around it, balancing the rocket - as long as that rocket holds a vertical motion - whether it's true vertical or arcing.
If it goes horizonal, it's an unbalanced dead stick unless it sprouts huge wings and a tail section.

So where do space ships go when they're supposedly in space?
The answer, as has been said, is - there is no such thing as space ships. Any rocket that's launched in real time, goes into the drink. It simply arcs into the sea.
What you see on TV on the launchpad, is exactly what the film makers want you to see.
What you see launch in real time from the distance anyone does see it, will be a scale model of what you see on TV. Basically a ballistic missile on a trajectory to the sea.

The clever part of this is that it fits a good purpose because it gives off the supposed reality that it isn't a rocket heading out to sea - but a staging of it, or a solid rocket booster, etc, whilst the ever amazed public believe the rest of it is into space.

Just remember that your little garden firework, or even your larger public firework display rocket, is made of a sort of cardboard. It's fine for the purpose because it's purpose is to take off at super speed and very quickly releases it's energy.

If anyone is interested, go and take a look at any missile launch from army vehicles in the deserts and such.
You will notice that they basically spring into action. They accelerate instantly and are spent in short order.

After that, take a look at model rockets in all sizes. There's some of the shuttle and the saturn V - large models. Watch how they take off.

Now go and take a look at any supposed space launches and notice the almost human running speed that they take off with. It's nonsensical and physically impossible for this to happen unless they all go to take off and then blow up, because there's no way they are going into the sky under walking take off speed.

That's my wholehearted opinion on it.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Can anyone help?

« on: January 12, 2015, 11:34:01 AM »

Please excuse Thork, he's our equivalent of the local village idiot.

While the sites are going to merge fairly soon, they are completely independent of one another right now. As such, we can't really help with any technical difficulties concerning the other site.

It looks like you've resolved your issue by now, but in case it occurs again, Daniel can be contacted at daniel@theflatearthsociety.org.

Much appreciated, Pizaaplanet. I've already put a query into the suggestions and concerns part now that I'm logged in, in another IP.
Cheers.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Can anyone help?

« on: January 12, 2015, 11:20:56 AM »

It's ok I see the problem. It appears that my IP address was blocked from accessing the site. I've had to use another IP. I'll explain this on the forum so they know I'm using another IP.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Can anyone help?

« on: January 12, 2015, 11:05:57 AM »

I can't log in on the other site.

My name on there is sceptimatic.

lol.

Any ideas?

Ask Daniel.

I would ask any of them on there but I can't login to do so, whereas I can here to ask.
I thought the two sites were merging.
If you can't help then fair enough.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Can anyone help?

« on: January 12, 2015, 11:00:08 AM »

I can't log in on the other site.

My name on there is sceptimatic.

lol.

Any ideas?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Can anyone help?

« on: January 12, 2015, 10:33:31 AM »

I can't log in on the other site. I can't even register another account to ask what the problem is.
When I go to log in, it says timed out immediately. It also says incorrect password but it's not incorrect.
Even when I registered another account, it took all the details and then when I clicked to register it just said I'd been timed out again and to wait 30 seconds and blah blah, all the time.

Is it a glitch in the system or something. Any help would be appreciated.
My name on there is sceptimatic.
Cheers.