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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?

« on: January 12, 2021, 08:53:45 PM »

It doesnt sound like the USCP is going to be doing a lot of 'welcoming' for the next round of visitors to the capitol... No ones worried about the 'optics' of having national guard at the capitol for round 2, but police planners think having a strong presence will be enough to deter 'protestors' from violence like last time. I'm not so sure...

The next wave of 'prostestors' are promising to be armed and are putting together Rules of engagement so that participants know when to shoot...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Searching for Flat Earth Model Information

« on: January 12, 2021, 08:48:45 PM »

If you copied any of those questions into a google search, the corresponding pages in the flat earth wiki - which is on this site - would come up.

Alternatively you could click the home button at the top of your screen, then the flat earth wiki and search to your heart's content...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?

« on: January 12, 2021, 03:09:44 AM »

Doesn't sound like trespassing if they were welcomed into the building.

https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-police-officers-suspended-after-pro-trump-riots-2021-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T

Isn’t that the Dracula defense? Or do I have the wrong monster?

It's the South Park Chewbacca Defense.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?

« on: January 11, 2021, 10:07:57 PM »

Yeah, Pete's right. Basically all the IT and security staff are now working overtime doing asset management and assessment stuff. Everything is assumed compromised, and basically everything needs to be inspected for potential monitoring and recording devices. Everything down to removing and inspecting outlet covers, light switches, ceiling fans, toilet paper roll holders...

Its exceedingly unlikely that foreign agents didnt try to take advantage of the mob of useful idiots having their day in the sun last week

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?

« on: January 11, 2021, 07:32:30 PM »

I agree calling it a coup is a stretch...but it was a bunch worse that you make it out to be in those three tame categories, with the fake news media coming out as the worst...

From an FBI bulletin:

"As of 10 January, armed protests are being planned at all 50 state capitols from 16 January through at least 20 January, and at the US Capitol from 17 January through 20 January,”

Sounds like they're planning a lot more than high-fiving each other...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?

« on: January 11, 2021, 06:45:40 PM »

Again, Republicans. There are going to be preppers amongst them and so it can be no surprise someone has brought zip ties. I'll also bet there were people making hog roasts out of the back of their trucks, but that doesn't convey the narrative of danger the awful left wing media are pushing.

You're not totally wrong. It's a bit disingenuous to label everyone that went to the Capitol as violent insurrectionists, but there were thousands of participants whose actions can only be described as violent and seditious. It's fair to compare the actions of participants and the reporting of the incidents between the 6th and the more widespread BLM protests. It's not fair to try to put them in the same category though - this is comparing apples to an orange-faced twat (sorry I couldnt resist).

But it's also not just the awful left wing media pushing the idea of violence. A quick look on Parler and thedonald.win shows the support that thousands and thousands of people have for the violence that occurred on the 6th, and perhaps worse, the escalation in violence that is being called for on the 19th.

The scary part is that it's not just a bunch of backwater racist rednecks yelling about ...well, whatever racist shit they care about. Those assjoles were (and are) supported by bankers, ex-military, doctors.... a broad cross-section of the millions of republicans and other far(ther)-right groups. I feel like Biden's attempts at talking tough since the 6th are going to make things worse

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Question about the stars.

« on: January 11, 2021, 03:47:36 PM »

It just so happens the air above our heads is full of water and sand.

No. The air above us is full of nitrogen atoms. It has trace amounts of dust and water.  The air around us, in the lower atmolayer has more dust and water vapor, but when it is “full” of those (storms), we can’t see through it.

I have no clue where you get your information, but the air above our heads is full of sand and water.

"At any one instant, the Earth’s atmosphere contains 37.5 million-billion gallons of water vapor – enough to cover the entire surface of the planet with 1 inch of rain if condensed. This amount is recycled, through evaporation powered by the Sun, 40 times each year in what is known as the hydrologic cycle." - https://wxguys.ssec.wisc.edu/2018/02/05/water-in-atmosphere/

Clouds carry particulates (typically sand) around which moisture gathers.

"The size of a sandstorm depends on the strength of the wind. The storm can be up to 100 kilometers wide and several kilometers high. In rare cases, they are as big as the sandstorm we had last week. Sometimes they can be so big and thick that you don’t see the sun for days." -
https://www.wadirumnomads.com/7-questions-about-sandstorms-answered/

You're not wrong that theres lots of stuff up there.

Be careful with your wording though: 'sand' has a specific size definition of 0.063 - 2 mm.
Wind can blow these particles around (sand dunes!) But it's pretty hard for these larger diameter grains to stay aloft.

Particulates that nucleate water vapor condensation are generally in the 4 -15 ųm range but as much as 32 ųm above the Sahara (van der Does et al. 2016).

And that verybigsounding number of water gallons in the atmosphere is big for sure!  But in other units that's 12,900 cubic km of water in 51,800,000 cubic km of gases.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?

« on: January 11, 2021, 12:34:19 AM »

Even though Trump is to blame for what happened, I figured I'd start a separate thread because I'm curious about where you see last week's shenanigans falling on the spectrum of protest - coup.

I have a hard time viewing it as an attempt at a full blown government overthrow because, for the most part, it was just a bunch of angry, misinformed, and thankfully unorganized, group of far right republicans and full-on racists. On the other hand, they stormed the Capitol while lawmakers were performing arguably their most important duty within the american democratic process. I cant help but feel like if the people who stormed the building had breached the floor before lawmakers and the electoral votes had been evacuated, this would be a very different story, one that would likely still be developing.

Most(?) People went there to protest, but in my mind any breaching the capitol is guilty of a crime. And the fact is that hundreds or thousands of the attendees came equipped and ready/hoping for violent clashes with police and or lawmakers - pipe bombs, blades, bats, combat gear, zip ties, nooses - shows how close things came, especially with the ridiculous unpreparedness of the capitol police.

The one bright side to all this is that, provided there isnt a round two on or around inauguration day, this can be used to highlight the strength -not the weakness - of american democracy. Not many countries can withstand an assault on the heart of their democratic institutions and be essentially back to business the next day.

The ugly side is plain to see, with 5 people dead, and the intensifying of rhetoric and calls to action for a second event in the near future...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 11, 2021, 12:18:27 AM »

https://mobile.twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1348334770103660553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1348334770103660553%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcapitol-rioters-shown-beating-face-212050414.html

Yeah it totally wasn’t a violent insurrection...

Nothing says 'I love my country' like beating a police officer with an american flag.

Notable are several people trying to help the officer while he was being dragged down, as one of the comments said... and that this is one of the few videos I've seen where American flags outnumber trump/Confederate battle flags/nazi flags

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 09, 2021, 05:56:17 PM »

Give me a good example of socialism as a success.

I already did.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 09, 2021, 05:02:25 PM »

That’s not the Christianity I recognise in the Gospels. Admittedly, there is a worrying number of US Evangelicals who backed Trump. If it makes you feel better some people at my church are as baffled and saddened about that as I am.

Yeah, I want to believe in Christianity's good side but in America , they're just like the Republican Party.

The nature of the Republican party is shaped by the majority of its followers and not its principles. This is the same thing we're seeing in America with Christianity, the theocrats and extremists have taken control. They see it as their divine mission to defeat the satanists and no moderate Christian wants to get in the way of battling Satan so they go with it.

It's the same way Republicans use socialists to frighten their base into action.

What are you talking about? AOC, Sanders and Warren are literally socialists. Advocating socialism. And you only have to look at countries like Venezuela to see why it is such a bad idea. But all you will hear is "We haven't tried it here yet. It would work here.' 

https://reason.com/2018/07/27/sorry-if-youre-offended-but-socialism-le/

I wouldn't wish socialism on my worst enemy. Well, maybe France deserve it. But no one else does.

Using Venuzuela as the example of socialism is like using jehovah's witnesses as examples of Christians.

Venezuela fell because they had a corrupt leader who banked everything he had on oil with zero contingencies. Countries with established socialist policies include your home country, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Canada, Germany, France.......

People on the right love to frame "socialists" as the baddies, but really in the states they're mostly just people who want their tax dollars to go to education and healthcare instead of the military, banks, and airlines.

The audacity to propose such radical socialist ideals like universal healthcare.... a practice so evil and unfeasible that only every other developed country offers it!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 09, 2021, 03:18:37 AM »

Parler could be in for a bit of a rough ride as well. They're freaking out over at theDonald.win because it was removed from google play, and rumbling about same happening through apple

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: January 09, 2021, 03:16:43 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 08, 2021, 10:31:26 PM »

they often have ID. Lawmakers have just added additional requirements that many can't meet given their housing situations. ID isn't the problem. they can get ID. its the voting eligibility requirements that need to be changed to that their ID can be used....as identification so they can vote. anyone who can prove their identity as a lawful citizen who is of age should be allowed to vote. Full Stop.

Yes, you also need to provide an address. How unreasonable in a place where you are voting in STATE elections to make sure you actually reside in the state you are voting in. Else why not pop to the state next door where the vote might be much closer and spend your vote there?

Again, this is not discrimination. These are rules that apply to everyone.

11% of eligible voting age Americans don't have photo ID - 8% of Whites and 25% of African-Americans, according to ACLU. 8% of Trump's potential voting base could miss out on voting if they don't fix voter registration laws!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 08, 2021, 10:01:10 PM »

Both of you are imagining problems with zero evidence for them.

No, you are. What evidence is there that not having to produce photo ID leads to rampant fraud?
What problem are you solving?

I happen to have a passport and a driver's licence but what if I didn't have those things? What other photo ID could I produce in order to vote? We don't have any national ID cards so am I supposed to spend £60 on a passport just so I can exercise my democratic right? Unless you're suggesting people are issued an ID so they can vote for free, an idea which has some merit but what problem does it solve? There's a potential issue, I agree, but is there actually an issue here?

I cannot even get into a club in my town without photo ID. It is hard to get served in many bars without photo ID or for shops. If you need photo ID to buy a beer or cigarettes, why is it such a big ask to show some photo ID so we can be sure that you are who you say you are when you turn up to vote?

You are willing to require photo ID at a supermarket to be sure someone is of legal age to buy beer. Why wouldn't you want photo ID to ensure someone is eligible to vote? It's a vote. Its important.

Only someone who wishes to encourage fraud amongst certain demographics would advocate more lax security protocols.

And in the UK, I have a few issues myself. I fucking hate that we use pencils. Give me a permanent marker. I don't want someone rubbing out my vote and changing it. I also think we should have photo ID. Also the Scots get way too many seats for their population size. We should all strive for the best system possible. Not one where we look to lower the standards because you are worried lazy black people won't bother their arses to vote Democrat as they are all programmed to do.

they often have ID. Lawmakers have just added additional requirements that many can't meet given their housing situations. ID isn't the problem. they can get ID. its the voting eligibility requirements that need to be changed to that their ID can be used....as identification so they can vote. anyone who can prove their identity as a lawful citizen who is of age should be allowed to vote. Full Stop.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 08, 2021, 09:22:49 PM »

They are able to produce state-issued ID.  I also agree you should have to provide regulated piece of ID to be able to vote. Some states, like North Dakota, added additional requirements like strict requirements on ID that contains specific address information.  Native Americans who live on any reserve in the State couldn't meet those requirements because their addresses didn't conform to the specifics that were drawn up with the [argued] intent of disenfranchising them.

despite marijuana being legal in dozens of states, people (disproportionately Black people) with a previous conviction can't get the right to vote because no one has bothered to expunge criminal record for possession.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 08, 2021, 08:39:08 PM »

Trump confirms he won't attend the inauguration because he's a toddler or something

Or as Newsthump reports it...

https://newsthump.com/2021/01/08/trump-confirms-he-wont-attend-biden-inauguration-as-he-will-already-be-in-jail/

Thanks for confirming that you get your information from radical leftists.

It's a satirical site.

That seems like a worse place to get your information from.

Anyone who makes jokes about Donnie is a radical leftist!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 08, 2021, 08:38:15 PM »

Ok, lets pick these off one by one.

Who doesn't have equal voting rights in America and what will Biden do to change this?

1. Native Americans, Blacks, through discriminatory requirements to prove voting eligibility.
2. Go back to pre-2013 policies where a broader range of official identification was permissible to grant voting rights in elections.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 08, 2021, 08:14:17 PM »

You are right. I mean there were no fires like you see with BLM, but a window got broken and so did a door handle. White people are the worst.

folks in the far right

Strange how not liking Democrat socialism makes one 'far-right', but I suppose it is from all the way over there on the left.

The problem is that you have no idea what "Socialism" even means in regard to American politics. Biden and CO are no more Socialist than the Rockefeller Republicans of the last century. It's just that the right has moved so far right, anything that looks or smells like centrism is deemed one notch away from a Maoist regime.

Biden isn't the problem. Biden is just a corpse that AOC, Bernie and Warren have thawed to give the party a centrist face. But the party is absolutely crawling with communists. There was a lot of screaming and drama in the last 4 years but actually not very much happened. The screaming was being done by the agitators who want to turn America upside down. These next 4 years will see dramatic and awful changes take place in America as it lurches violently to the left. Enjoy queuing for your bread, morans.

Ah yes, those awful changes like moving towards affordable healthcare, insurance, higher education, equal voting rights, eliminating racial injustice and unfair/unequal imprisonment...

Lousy "communists".

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 08, 2021, 07:04:13 PM »

Its entertaining watching folks in the far right justify the 'protest' by posting pictures of people staying behind velvet ropes. ...as if those pictures negate the violent assault of police officers and journalists, the destruction and looting of the Capitol building and offices within. As if there weren't pictures of rioters smashing in windows using riot shields they'd stolen from police, or of lawmakers hiding in fear.

They show pictures of the peaceful law-abiding protestors from the events on the 6th - of which there were thousands - but fail to see the irony in that the same applied to the peaceful BLM protestors, who were not the same as the looters the right like to condemn so strongly, nor were those peaceful BLM protesters subjected to a remotely comparable level of police presence, staffing and violence.

The mob on the 6th went violent and destructive, despite having everything handed to them by an intentionally ill-prepared and understaffed and equipped police presence.