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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #540 on: January 21, 2021, 02:39:23 PM »
Definitely agree with Pete, but theres really nothing he could have said that would please everyone. Classic catch 23 situation.

Talk tough and you're shitting on 70M american Patriots who feel they got robbed.
Be nice and you're legitimizing the violence and conspiracy
He talked unity then pointed blame right back at the the people who loved Donny and still think he got cheated
Called the protesters nazi white supremacists... and while there were shitloads of those....the other component of just 'typical' trumpers get incensed when they are lumped in under those words, even if they willfully joined a mob with people wearing KKK hoods and skinheads carrying nazi flags.

He did about as well as he could, while still butchering enough lines for the old man Biden trope to live on, but this is gonna be a long hard road for ol Joe.

Big brother Joe bring the homeland to it's full potential glory, comrade!

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #541 on: January 22, 2021, 12:48:40 PM »
Must be so nice for Fauci now being able to deal with a grown up

Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #542 on: January 22, 2021, 04:09:10 PM »
Definitely agree with Pete, but theres really nothing he could have said that would please everyone. Classic catch 23 situation.

Talk tough and you're shitting on 70M american Patriots who feel they got robbed.
Be nice and you're legitimizing the violence and conspiracy
He talked unity then pointed blame right back at the the people who loved Donny and still think he got cheated
Called the protesters nazi white supremacists... and while there were shitloads of those....the other component of just 'typical' trumpers get incensed when they are lumped in under those words, even if they willfully joined a mob with people wearing KKK hoods and skinheads carrying nazi flags.

He did about as well as he could, while still butchering enough lines for the old man Biden trope to live on, but this is gonna be a long hard road for ol Joe.

Big brother Joe bring the homeland to it's full potential glory, comrade!
Define "shitloads."
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #543 on: January 22, 2021, 05:55:06 PM »
Definitely agree with Pete, but theres really nothing he could have said that would please everyone. Classic catch 23 situation.

Talk tough and you're shitting on 70M american Patriots who feel they got robbed.
Be nice and you're legitimizing the violence and conspiracy
He talked unity then pointed blame right back at the the people who loved Donny and still think he got cheated
Called the protesters nazi white supremacists... and while there were shitloads of those....the other component of just 'typical' trumpers get incensed when they are lumped in under those words, even if they willfully joined a mob with people wearing KKK hoods and skinheads carrying nazi flags.

He did about as well as he could, while still butchering enough lines for the old man Biden trope to live on, but this is gonna be a long hard road for ol Joe.

Big brother Joe bring the homeland to it's full potential glory, comrade!
Define "shitloads."

It's 2021. One is too many; any more than that is shitloads.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #544 on: January 22, 2021, 07:09:25 PM »
At least he would be if the election were held today.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/donald-trump-swing-state-polls-new-york-times-siena/index.html

I imagine polling went like this.

Pollster: "Hi, I'm from the New York Times. Would you mind telling me how you would vote if there were an election tomorrow?"
Democrat voter: "I'd vote Biden. Orange man bad.

Pollster: "Hi, I'm from the New York Times. Would you mind telling me how you would vote if there were an election tomorrow?"
Republican voter: "New York Times? How about you f-off, you total disgrace.  >o<"
Pollster: "I'll pop you down as an undecided.

Conservatives in all countries are much more likely to refuse to disclose their voting intentions. This is likely because the New York Times et al frequently tell people they are stupid if they vote Republican. When a left wing journalist asks you how you will vote, you're unlikely to be cooperative with them. I wouldn't have '5 mins to spare' for the BBC for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_factor
^ I guess you would have something similar in the USA.


My verdict ... Trump will win again without breaking a sweat. By the time the head to head debate has happened and Biden is shown to be absolutely out of his skull with dementia, it'll all be over for another 4 years.

Welp, this post aged like milk.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #545 on: January 24, 2021, 02:48:19 AM »
Nope. It's not over at all. If a politician is sworn into office and it is later found that they were fraudulently or inappropriately elected, they are removed. There is precedent for this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201114182126/https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-02-20-1994051024-story.html

Election litigation is still going on:

https://www.scotusblog.com/election-litigation/

And a metric ton of evidence still exists:

https://hereistheevidence.com/

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #547 on: January 24, 2021, 03:01:23 AM »
Nope. It's not over at all. If a politician is sworn in and it is later found that he or she was fraudulently or inappropriately elected, they are removed. There is precedent for this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201114182126/https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-02-20-1994051024-story.html

Election litigation is still going on:

https://www.scotusblog.com/election-litigation/

And a metric ton of evidence still exists:

https://hereistheevidence.com/

It seems that every time a deadline for Trump winning passes, a new hope arises that is just around the corner.

In the Stinson case, there were a large number of fraudulent votes that had been discovered and proven. To date, nobody has found 7 million fake votes for Biden. Even after multiple hand recounts in several battleground states.

If any real evidence existed it would have been presented in one of the hundred odd GOP lawsuits that got tossed out due to a total lack of evidence.  The whole 'no judges considered any lawsuits on the merits' is a myth, plenty of judges specifically took the Trump lawyers to task for not providing any evidence. They were very clear on this.

Biden won, legitimately and honestly and is not going to be removed by any fantasy lawsuit with nonexistent evidence. He won by over 7 million votes. Nobody has been able to show any large scale fraud. In fact in Pennsylvania after an extremely detailed check found only three fraudulent votes. Three. All voting fraudulently for Trump. All his efforts ended up losing him three votes, he certainly didn't find the hundreds of thousands he claims were falsified for Biden in the state.

Random web sites can say anything they want, but unless any of that makes it before a Judge, it's completely worthless. If all this evidence existed and was valid, it would have been presented in a court of law, not just on some random internet blog.

Joe Biden is president, and Trump isn't coming back. It's over.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #548 on: January 24, 2021, 03:07:38 AM »
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The whole 'no judges considered any lawsuits on the merits' is a myth, plenty of judges specifically took the Trump lawyers to task for not providing any evidence. They were very clear on this.

You have provided zero sources on this claim that they assessed the merits of the bulk of the fraud cases, while I have provided plenty to the contrary.

Tennessee lawmakers:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/gop-tennessee-state-lawmakers-urge-senators-reps-to-object-to-electoral-votes_3639825.html

"But, according to the Tennessee lawmakers, “Very few of these irregularities have been investigated in a professional manner by anyone in law enforcement or in a position to do anything about it. In fact, most of these jurisdictions, save Arizona, are blocking transparency efforts at every turn.”

They also faulted the U.S. judiciary system for not taking up lawsuits and typically refusing to hear the cases based on procedural errors—rather than merit."

Former WH Deputy Press Secretary:

https://money.yahoo.com/maxine-waters-slams-trump-security-130000896.html

"Fraud claims were the centerpiece of 60 lawsuits that have been denied in court. Gidley retorted those court defeats, saying “the cases were lost not on merit but lost to judicial technicalities.”"

https://m.theepochtimes.com/courts-havent-decided-facts-on-voter-fraud-found-excuses-to-dismiss-trumps-cases-rand-paul_3622644.html

"Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) rejected the notion that courts have 'decided the facts' amid allegations of election fraud during the Nov. 3 election.

'The courts have not decided the facts,' Paul said during an election integrity hearing on Wednesday. 'The courts never looked at the facts. The courts don’t like elections, and they stayed out of it by finding an excuse.'

The Kentucky senator went on to say that courts mainly rejected lawsuits from President Donald Trump’s team or other election-related lawsuits on procedural grounds."

Political Journalist Mike Walsh:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/after-trumps-last-stand-left-seeks-revenge_3649577.html

"Wuz we robbed? It’s very likely, given the suspicious circumstance of Biden’s materializing popular votes in precisely the swing states that were needed for victory. And while the multiple lawsuits contesting those votes have been consistently thrown out in various courts (including, disgracefully, the Texas suit presented to the U.S. Supreme Court), they were dismissed on procedural grounds, and the evidence remains to this day unheard."

Rose Sentinel:

https://romesentinel.com/stories/trump-following-all-legal-means-to-challenge-suspect-state-election-results,108212

"Trump and his allies have filed roughly 50 lawsuits challenging election results, and nearly all have been dismissed or dropped but on procedural grounds that did not test the evidence. AP claims Trump has lost twice at the U.S. Supreme Court but that was also procedural and did not consider evidence."

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If any real evidence existed it would have been presented in one of the hundred odd GOP lawsuits

Despite the procedural games, some judges have agreed with the concerns and have granted audits and set future court dates. So you're wrong.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #549 on: January 24, 2021, 03:15:04 AM »
How long will you give it until you admit you're wrong, Tom? If nothing happens after three months, will you concede that Biden is the president and will remain the president? Six months? A year?
ur retartet but u donut even no it and i walnut tell u y

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #550 on: January 24, 2021, 03:23:54 AM »
Crooked AZ politicians finally give up

https://thedcpatriot.com/one-hour-after-biden-is-sworn-in-arizona-senate-president-releases-evidence-of-voter-fraud/



Wrong again. No evidence of fraud was released:

The claim: Arizona Senate released evidence of voter fraud the day of President Joe Biden’s swearing-in

Conservative Facebook pages have started sharing an online article that falsely claims Arizona government officials released evidence of voter fraud an hour after President Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20.

No evidence of voter fraud
On Jan. 20, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors agreed to negotiate with the Arizona Senate on a deal to release data from November’s election to avoid further court hearings, according to the Associated Press. However, the Senate did not release any evidence of voter fraud.

Our rating: False
The claim that the Arizona Senate released evidence of voter fraud the day of President Joe Biden’s inauguration is FALSE, based on our research. The Arizona Senate and the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors are working on an agreement to release data from November’s election so that the Senate can perform an audit
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/21/maricopa-county-agreement-arizona-senate-joe-biden-inauguration/6661033002/


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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #551 on: January 24, 2021, 03:33:21 AM »
Crooked AZ politicians finally give up

https://thedcpatriot.com/one-hour-after-biden-is-sworn-in-arizona-senate-president-releases-evidence-of-voter-fraud/



Wrong again. No evidence of fraud was released:

The claim: Arizona Senate released evidence of voter fraud the day of President Joe Biden’s swearing-in

Conservative Facebook pages have started sharing an online article that falsely claims Arizona government officials released evidence of voter fraud an hour after President Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20.

No evidence of voter fraud
On Jan. 20, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors agreed to negotiate with the Arizona Senate on a deal to release data from November’s election to avoid further court hearings, according to the Associated Press. However, the Senate did not release any evidence of voter fraud.

Our rating: False
The claim that the Arizona Senate released evidence of voter fraud the day of President Joe Biden’s inauguration is FALSE, based on our research. The Arizona Senate and the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors are working on an agreement to release data from November’s election so that the Senate can perform an audit
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/21/maricopa-county-agreement-arizona-senate-joe-biden-inauguration/6661033002/

Nope. The title is correct. The Senate Judiciary Committee determined that there was evidence of fraud. This is why the subpoena for a further audit was issued. They said that there was evidence of fraud, that the data will have further evidence of fraud, and that the audit needs to be performed to show that the election was free of fraud.

https://www.azmirror.com/2020/12/14/arizona-senate-will-subpoena-maricopa-county-for-election-audit/



So the Senate Judiciary Committee declared that there was evidence of fraud there. Anyone releasing that data would be releasing further evidence of fraud that the Senate Judiciary Committee has determined.
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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #552 on: January 24, 2021, 07:20:52 AM »
Crooked AZ politicians finally give up

https://thedcpatriot.com/one-hour-after-biden-is-sworn-in-arizona-senate-president-releases-evidence-of-voter-fraud/



Wrong again. No evidence of fraud was released:

The claim: Arizona Senate released evidence of voter fraud the day of President Joe Biden’s swearing-in

Conservative Facebook pages have started sharing an online article that falsely claims Arizona government officials released evidence of voter fraud an hour after President Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20.

No evidence of voter fraud
On Jan. 20, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors agreed to negotiate with the Arizona Senate on a deal to release data from November’s election to avoid further court hearings, according to the Associated Press. However, the Senate did not release any evidence of voter fraud.

Our rating: False
The claim that the Arizona Senate released evidence of voter fraud the day of President Joe Biden’s inauguration is FALSE, based on our research. The Arizona Senate and the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors are working on an agreement to release data from November’s election so that the Senate can perform an audit
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/21/maricopa-county-agreement-arizona-senate-joe-biden-inauguration/6661033002/

Nope. The title is correct. The Senate Judiciary Committee determined that there was evidence of fraud. This is why the subpoena for a further audit was issued. They said that there was evidence of fraud, that the data will have further evidence of fraud, and that the audit needs to be performed to show that the election was free of fraud.

https://www.azmirror.com/2020/12/14/arizona-senate-will-subpoena-maricopa-county-for-election-audit/



So the Senate Judiciary Committee declared that there was evidence of fraud there. Anyone releasing that data would be releasing further evidence of fraud that the Senate Judiciary Committee has determined.

I really don't understand how your can mess up the facts this egregiously. Your first post says, "One Hour After Biden Sworn In, Arizona Senate President Releases Evidence of Fraud." That did not happen. No evidence of "Fraud" was released. That's already been shown.

Now you post an article from the AZ Mirror which is from December 14th, over a month before the inauguration. What does that have to do with the no fraud evidence released headline that is incorrect. You're all over the place just swatting at anything that strikes your narrative fancy without even looking into it. Stick to the facts.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #553 on: January 24, 2021, 08:01:23 AM »
It's about the same subpoenas that the elections officials were refusing to comply with. The orders were issued a while ago and they were refusing to follow it.

The body issuing the subpoenas determined that there was evidence of fraud and that the data contained further evidence of fraud. This is why the title is correct. It was already declared and determined that there is fraud there, hence the issuing of the subpoenas.

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« Reply #554 on: January 24, 2021, 08:06:55 AM »
It's about the same subpoenas that the elections officials were refusing to comply with. The orders were issued a while ago and they were refusing to follow it.

The body issuing the subpoenas determined that there was evidence of fraud and that the data contained further evidence of fraud. This is why the title is correct. It was already declared and determined that there is fraud there, hence the issuing of the subpoenas.

Nope, your headline is incorrect. No evidence of "Fraud" was released "One Hour After Biden Sworn In..." That did not happen. No evidence of "Fraud" was released, period. That's already been shown.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #555 on: January 24, 2021, 08:16:14 AM »
Tom:
Biden’s just a little elected, Trump’s still good, he’s still good.

Biden’s just a little certified, Trump’s still good, he’s still good

Biden’s just a little inaugurated, Trump’s still good, he’s still good



Tom. You have spent months chasing one false hope after another. The courts were going to overturn it. Then the Supreme Court was. Then there was going to be an uprising on Inauguration Day.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, Biden is the President, just like basically everyone on here was telling you he was going to be. Y’know because he won the election. And sure, you can provide sources which are telling you what you want to hear. You may wish to consider that those are the same sources which provided you with all the false hope which has proven to be false hope.
At some point you’re going to have to reconcile yourself to the reality that Biden is the President and he’s going to be for the next 4 years.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #556 on: January 24, 2021, 09:35:19 AM »
Crooked AZ politicians finally give up

https://thedcpatriot.com/one-hour-after-biden-is-sworn-in-arizona-senate-president-releases-evidence-of-voter-fraud/



Please link to the evidence, if you are sure it exists.  I'm sure you've seen it.  Right?

Also:
1. If judges are dropping cases based on procedural issues, why are lawyers getting these procedural issues so wrong?  Why are they not doing their jobs and why haven't thry fixed the error and resubmitted the case?

2. Why do you claim judges don't want to overturn an election but spent (days?) Looking for evidence of a judge overturning an election?  It contradicts your argument.

If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #557 on: January 24, 2021, 01:19:47 PM »
This video is good and may help Tom, but I fear he’s too far gone (or the character he plays on here is, possibly)

Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #558 on: January 24, 2021, 01:25:36 PM »
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The whole 'no judges considered any lawsuits on the merits' is a myth, plenty of judges specifically took the Trump lawyers to task for not providing any evidence. They were very clear on this.

You have provided zero sources on this claim that they assessed the merits of the bulk of the fraud cases, while I have provided plenty to the contrary.

Have 60.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/08/joe-biden/joe-biden-right-more-60-trumps-election-lawsuits-l/

Here is one judge from Pennsylvania ruling on one of Trumps factless lawsuits before throwing it out:

"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

All you have are Trump supporters repeating the same lies, but the Judges words are there to read.  Trump has no facts on his side.  Period.

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If any real evidence existed it would have been presented in one of the hundred odd GOP lawsuits

Despite the procedural games, some judges have agreed with the concerns and have granted audits and set future court dates. So you're wrong.

You have provided zero sources on this claim.  Please list the specific lawsuits and the evidence they presented that has been accepted.  Looking for evidence isn't evidence, and you claim they have it, so it should be easy to list.

At what point will you accept defeat?  Will it take another month of lawsuits? A year? Four? 

Eight? :)

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Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« Reply #559 on: January 24, 2021, 04:34:50 PM »
I wonder if we will start to see a turning of the tide?

Biden is making enemies of Google, Facebook, Twitter et al. I wonder if they will begin a fight back soon? Hunter Biden stories promoted to the top of searches. Stories of dementia following. The gushing praise Biden is getting having accomplished literally zero coming to a halt. I wonder if big tech over played their hand and will soon rue the day they sided with the rotten Democrats? Will be fun to watch as a conservative. Big Tech vs Liberal government. I literally don't give a shit which one of them gets wrecked.
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