[Pete Svarrior]

one commentator...

Yourself, I presume?

[Rushy]

The Russians hacked the election so that Biden could win.

[J-Man]

Barr is going to resign, he can't bring himself to do his job now that the fraud proof is everywhere. No water main break, all three bad guys lawyer up. Identified and will go to jail once Trump gets em. Very organized steal of the election, dems should be proud they can organize so well the cheap.

[stack]

Barr is going to resign, he can't bring himself to do his job now that the fraud proof is everywhere. No water main break, all three bad guys lawyer up. Identified and will go to jail once Trump gets em. Very organized steal of the election, dems should be proud they can organize so well the cheap.

The latest from Fox News:

No 'mystery ballots' hidden under table in Fulton County, Georgia investigator swears in affidavit
Statement also claims poll observers were not told to leave but 'left on their own'

"The chief investigator from Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger’s office filed a sworn statement in federal court claiming that video presented last week at a state Senate meeting does not show voter fraud, as was alleged by President Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fulton-county-georgia-no-mystery-ballots-under-table-investigator-affidavit

[J-Man]

"THIS IS BIGGER THAN ME": Woman identified in Fulton Co (alleged) election fraud video agrees to interview, then back tracks & declines; later makes private and/or deletes FB page.

[Rama Set]

"THIS IS BIGGER THAN ME": Woman identified in Fulton Co (alleged) election fraud video agrees to interview, then back tracks & declines; later makes private and/or deletes FB page.

Wow

[Rama Set]

The Kraken is dismissed:

https://mobile.twitter.com/marceelias/status/1335980197305315336

EDIT: The judge giving his rationale here -

[Tumeni]

one commentator...

Yourself, I presume?

I can go back through my history and find their twitter handle for you, but do you really need to know?

[stack]

"THIS IS BIGGER THAN ME": Woman identified in Fulton Co (alleged) election fraud video agrees to interview, then back tracks & declines; later makes private and/or deletes FB page.

No way? Really? That must, well, like really mean something.

[Tom Bishop]

Barr is going to resign, he can't bring himself to do his job now that the fraud proof is everywhere. No water main break, all three bad guys lawyer up. Identified and will go to jail once Trump gets em. Very organized steal of the election, dems should be proud they can organize so well the cheap.

The latest from Fox News:

No 'mystery ballots' hidden under table in Fulton County, Georgia investigator swears in affidavit
Statement also claims poll observers were not told to leave but 'left on their own'

"The chief investigator from Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger’s office filed a sworn statement in federal court claiming that video presented last week at a state Senate meeting does not show voter fraud, as was alleged by President Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fulton-county-georgia-no-mystery-ballots-under-table-investigator-affidavit

So someone working for the state full of election fraud denies that their county was fraudulent. How convincing.

She claims no one was sent home and that observers and media left on their own. Incorrect. It was widely reported that elections officials said that the counting stopped.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-causing-hour-delay-processing/story?id=73981348

"Later in the night, Regina Waller, the Fulton County public affairs manager for elections, told ABC News that the election department sent the State Farm Arena absentee ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. despite earlier intentions to complete processing Tuesday night. Some additional numbers could still come out Tuesday night, but as of now the staff will be back at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday."

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/georgia-absentee-ballots-ok-after-pipe-bursts-at-state-farm-arena/85-37a6c502-09cd-48eb-8856-15c5602d6aff

"Fulton officials said their goal was to have 100,000 absentee plus drop-off ballots counted by the end of election night. Officials sent ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. and said they'd return at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday."

https://twitter.com/SteveGWSB/status/1324010792207982592

"35,000 absentee ballots left to process today and another 25,000 already scanned yet to be tabulated/added to final vote in Fulton County. Chairman not happy workers sent home last night and didn’t keep working around the clock"

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/live-updates-georgia-remains-too-close-call-with-ballots-still-be-counted/T6OTCVG6IRBETDFAVV2QZKPCJU/

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/fulton-election-results-delayed-after-pipe-bursts-in-room-with-ballots/4T3KPQV7PBEX3JVAIGJBNBSVJY/

"They planned to stop scanning absentee ballots at 10:30 p.m. and pick it up back in the morning. No official could explain before press time why Fulton was stopping its count of absentee ballots at that time, only saying that was the procedure.

“As planned, Fulton County will continue to tabulate the remainder of absentee ballots over the next two days. Absentee ballot processing requires that each ballot is opened, signatures verified, and ballots scanned. This is a labor-intensive process that takes longer to tabulate than other forms of voting. Fulton County did not anticipate having all absentee ballots processed on Election Day,” the county spokeswoman wrote in a statement."

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/politics/elections/georgia-absentee-ballots-ok-after-pipe-bursts-at-state-farm-arena/85-37a6c502-09cd-48eb-8856-15c5602d6aff

"Fulton officials said their goal was to have 100,000 absentee plus drop-off ballots counted by the end of election night. Officials sent ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. and said they'd return at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.

The remaining ballots would be counted by Friday or Saturday, though most could be done by Wednesday."

https://www.mdjonline.com/neighbor_newspapers/north_fulton/water-leak-influx-of-ballots-delays-fulton-election-results/article_b66b673c-1e3e-11eb-b5dc-8b49c736473d.html

"Elections board member Mark Wingate told reporters he believes the county won’t have definitive results until later this week. Fulton County Director of Registration and Elections Richard Barron said they will stop counting absentee ballots at 10:30 p.m. Nov. 3, and resume in the morning. "

[stack]

Barr is going to resign, he can't bring himself to do his job now that the fraud proof is everywhere. No water main break, all three bad guys lawyer up. Identified and will go to jail once Trump gets em. Very organized steal of the election, dems should be proud they can organize so well the cheap.

The latest from Fox News:

No 'mystery ballots' hidden under table in Fulton County, Georgia investigator swears in affidavit
Statement also claims poll observers were not told to leave but 'left on their own'

"The chief investigator from Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger’s office filed a sworn statement in federal court claiming that video presented last week at a state Senate meeting does not show voter fraud, as was alleged by President Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fulton-county-georgia-no-mystery-ballots-under-table-investigator-affidavit

So someone working for the state full of election fraud denies that their county was fraudulent. How convincing.

What evidence is there that the state full of election fraud? Projecting much?

She says no one was sent home and that observers and media left on their own. Incorrect. It was widely reported that elections officials said that ballot counting stopped.

Georgia election officials show frame-by-frame what happened in Fulton surveillance video

Watch video.

"State election investigators have already spent hours analyzing the video showing what Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani said was suitcases being pulled from under a table.
They were, in fact, official, sealed ballot containers...
At 10 p.m., with the room full of people, including official monitors and the media, video shows ballots that had already been opened but not counted placed in the boxes, sealed up and stored under the table.

The reason? Employees thought they were done for the night...

Media and observers left as employees packed up. But Fulton’s election director called a supervisor at State Farm a few minutes later, telling them to keep counting after the Secretary of State’s office called and said they shouldn’t stop counting for the night so early.

After that call, employees pulled the containers of ballots back out and went back to work...

There was about an hour that workers scanned ballots before a state monitor arrived, but video shows those moments. The monitor then observed counting until they stopped for the night. The lead election investigator has looked at all that video and said that she saw no evidence of any wrongdoing."
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/georgia-election-officials-show-frame-by-frame-what-really-happened-fulton-surveillance-video/T5M3PYIBYFHFFOD3CIB2ULDVDE/

[garygreen]

yeah it totally makes sense that a republican governor and secretary of state both conspired with the dnc to rig the election against their own party's candidate. in georgia.

and then they simply forgot to rig any of the down-ballot races on the very same ballots they were already rigging.

and then they weren't caught in either of two recounts, one of which recounted by hand every single ballot that was cast.

compelling narrative.

[Tom Bishop]

According to their tabulating law:

https://casetext.com/regulation/georgia-administrative-code/department-183-rules-of-state-election-board/chapter-183-1-georgia-election-code/subject-183-1-12-preparation-for-and-conduct-of-primaries-and-elections/rule-183-1-12-12-tabulating-results

"Accredited poll watchers shall be allowed to observe the process described in this rule; however, they must do so in a manner that does not interfere with poll officials."


That "shall be allowed" necessarily cannot occur if elections officials sent ballot counters and poll watchers home and then continued to surreptitiously tabulate ballots. Had poll watchers been advised that ballot tabulation would have been continued throughout the night, and still opted to go home instead of watching said ballot tabulation, then it could be argued that they were allowed to observe, but chose to leave anyway.

That isn't at all the case, however. Poll watchers were not advised that ballot tabulation would continue after they were sent home. The witness does not describe advising them, and only describes that they decided to continue counting after everyone left.

[stack]

According to their tabulating law:

https://casetext.com/regulation/georgia-administrative-code/department-183-rules-of-state-election-board/chapter-183-1-georgia-election-code/subject-183-1-12-preparation-for-and-conduct-of-primaries-and-elections/rule-183-1-12-12-tabulating-results

"Accredited poll watchers shall be allowed to observe the process described in this rule; however, they must do so in a manner that does not interfere with poll officials."


That "shall be allowed" necessarily cannot occur if elections officials sent ballot counters and poll watchers home and then continued to surreptitiously tabulate ballots. Had poll watchers been advised that ballot tabulation would have been continued throughout the night, and still opted to go home instead of watching said ballot tabulation, then it could be argued that they were allowed to observe, but chose to leave anyway.

That isn't at all the case, however. Poll watchers were not advised that ballot tabulation would continue after they were sent home. The witness does not describe advising them, and only describes that they decided to continue counting after everyone left.

Shall be allowed. So what? No where does it state "accredited poll watchers must be present."

The official investigation said they were packing up for the night. Poll watchers left. They weren't "sent home". Then they got a call that said you're not done for the evening, keep at it. So they resumed. Were they supposed to say, "We can't, the poll watchers left"? To which the supervisor would have said, "Too bad, nothing says they have to be there, do your job..."

[Tom Bishop]

Shall be allowed. So what? No where does it state "accredited poll watchers must be present."

When used in statutes "shall be" means "must be".

See: https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/shall/

The word ‘Shall’ has the following meanings:

- An imperative command; has a duty to or is required to. For example, the notice shall be sent within 30 days. Usually ‘shall’ used here is in the mandatory sense.

- Should . Courts often interpret shall as should. For example, all claimants shall request mediation.

- May. When a negative word such as not or no precedes shall the word shall often means may. For example, no person shall enter the building without first signing the roster.

- Will . For example, the defendant shall then have a period of 30 days to object.

The following are some case law interpreting the word shall:

When used in statutes, contracts, or the like, the word "shall" is generally imperative or mandatory.[Independent School Dist. v. Independent School Dist., 170 N.W.2d 433, 440 (Minn. 1969)]

"In common, or ordinary parlance, and in its ordinary signification, the term 'shall' is a word of command, and one which has always, or which must be given a compulsory meaning; as denoting obligation. It has a peremptory meaning, and it is generally imperative or mandatory. It has the invariable significance of excluding the idea of discretion, and has the significance of operating to impose a duty which may be enforced, particularly if public policy is in favor of this meaning, or when addressed to public officials, or where a public interest is involved, or where the public or persons have rights which ought to be exercised or enforced, unless a contrary intent appears; but the context ought to be very strongly persuasive before it is softened into a mere permission," etc.[People v. O'Rourke, 124 Cal. App. 752, 759 (Cal. App. 1932)]

The official investigation said they were packing up for the night. Poll watchers left. They weren't "sent home". Then they got a call that said you're not done for the evening, keep at it. So they resumed. Were they supposed to say, "We can't, the poll watchers left"? To which the supervisor would have said, "Too bad, nothing says they have to be there, do your job..."

Considering that the statute says that they must be allowed to be there, yes. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you can't follow the law to its letter or in its spirit, you shouldn't be running an election.

[Rama Set]

Seeking to discover a new layer of stupid hell, Trump and Pence are suing Biden and Harris to overturn the results in two WI counties.

https://mobile.twitter.com/klasfeldreports/status/1336048463096795136?s=21

Also a quote from the the judge’s dismissal of the GA Kraken made me chuckle:

“ Their claims would be extraordinary if true, but they are not. Much like the mythological “kraken” monster after which Plaintiffs have named this lawsuit, their claims of election fraud and malfeasance belong more to the kraken’s realm of mythos than they do to reality.”

[stack]

Shall be allowed. So what? No where does it state "accredited poll watchers must be present."

When used in statutes "shall be" means "must be".

See: https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/shall/

The word ‘Shall’ has the following meanings:

- An imperative command; has a duty to or is required to. For example, the notice shall be sent within 30 days. Usually ‘shall’ used here is in the mandatory sense.

- Should . Courts often interpret shall as should. For example, all claimants shall request mediation.

- May. When a negative word such as not or no precedes shall the word shall often means may. For example, no person shall enter the building without first signing the roster.

- Will . For example, the defendant shall then have a period of 30 days to object.

The following are some case law interpreting the word shall:

When used in statutes, contracts, or the like, the word "shall" is generally imperative or mandatory.[Independent School Dist. v. Independent School Dist., 170 N.W.2d 433, 440 (Minn. 1969)]

"In common, or ordinary parlance, and in its ordinary signification, the term 'shall' is a word of command, and one which has always, or which must be given a compulsory meaning; as denoting obligation. It has a peremptory meaning, and it is generally imperative or mandatory. It has the invariable significance of excluding the idea of discretion, and has the significance of operating to impose a duty which may be enforced, particularly if public policy is in favor of this meaning, or when addressed to public officials, or where a public interest is involved, or where the public or persons have rights which ought to be exercised or enforced, unless a contrary intent appears; but the context ought to be very strongly persuasive before it is softened into a mere permission," etc.[People v. O'Rourke, 124 Cal. App. 752, 759 (Cal. App. 1932)]

The official investigation said they were packing up for the night. Poll watchers left. They weren't "sent home". Then they got a call that said you're not done for the evening, keep at it. So they resumed. Were they supposed to say, "We can't, the poll watchers left"? To which the supervisor would have said, "Too bad, nothing says they have to be there, do your job..."

Considering that the statute says that they must be allowed to be there, yes. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you can't follow the law to its letter or in its spirit, you shouldn't be running an election.

Ignorance of the actual point is no excuse either.

They “must be allowed to be there” doesn’t mean “they must be there”. Just means you can’t prevent them from being there. How are you not understanding this.

If poll workers show up at work and no poll watchers show up all day, do the poll workers just have to sit there and do nothing hoping a watcher shows up?

If the poll watchers decide to leave in the middle of the count day do you have to stop counting? Umm, no, you don’t.

[Rama Set]

So Tom cited regulations surrounding vote tabulation, not laws. Interestingly when you look at the Georgia statutes on elections it says:

Notwithstanding any other provisions of this chapter, a poll watcher may be permitted behind the enclosed space for the purpose of observing the conduct of the election and the counting and recording of votes.

https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-21-elections/ga-code-sect-21-2-408.html

I find it unclear if a poll watcher must be there. However an election official has claimed poll watchers were present at the Fulton County count at the time in question.

[Tom Bishop]

Unfortunately you guys are being forced to argue that black is white again. Once again, elections officials announced that counting was stopping.

https://www.mdjonline.com/neighbor_newspapers/north_fulton/water-leak-influx-of-ballots-delays-fulton-election-results/article_b66b673c-1e3e-11eb-b5dc-8b49c736473d.html

"Elections board member Mark Wingate told reporters he believes the county won’t have definitive results until later this week. Fulton County Director of Registration and Elections Richard Barron said they will stop counting absentee ballots at 10:30 p.m. Nov. 3, and resume in the morning. "

Understand? Elections officials announced that they were stopping counting.

After everyone left they then decided to keep counting. This runs against "must allow poll watchers to be there". The elections officials had specifically announced that they were going to STOP counting. The poll watchers were not advised that counting would continue. If they were not advised, and if no announcements were made, then they were not allowed to choose if they want to be there. The poll watchers may have indeed wanted to be there. It runs afoul of the statute which says that the poll watchers must be allowed to be there.

[stack]

Unfortunately you guys are being forced to argue that black is white again. Once again, elections officials announced that counting was stopping.

https://www.mdjonline.com/neighbor_newspapers/north_fulton/water-leak-influx-of-ballots-delays-fulton-election-results/article_b66b673c-1e3e-11eb-b5dc-8b49c736473d.html

"Elections board member Mark Wingate told reporters he believes the county won’t have definitive results until later this week. Fulton County Director of Registration and Elections Richard Barron said they will stop counting absentee ballots at 10:30 p.m. Nov. 3, and resume in the morning. "

After everyone left they decided to keep counting. This runs against "must allow them to be there". The elections officials specifically announced that they were going to STOP counting. The poll watchers were not advised that counting would continue. If they were not advised, and if no announcements were made, then they were not allowed to choose if they want to be there. It runs afoul of the statute which says that the poll watchers must be allowed to be there.

Wrong again. The poll workers did stop and were packing up to go. Whilst doing so poll watchers left. Some time after that they were called and told not to go home and keep working. So they did. An hour later one or more poll watchers showed back up. Simple as that.

Anyway, this is all moot. Georgia just recertified for the third time some minutes ago. Focus on the PA case you’re gonna lose too.