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Re: Trump
« Reply #7200 on: November 25, 2020, 03:04:29 PM »
They said that there is substantial evidence of fraud, and agrees with plaintiff, but proceeded to deflect. Said it was not their place to perform certain actions, didn't want to disnfranchize legitimate voters, etc.
Do stop cherry picking. They say there are

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troubling and serious allegations of fraud and irregularities asserted by the affiants offered by plaintiffs

Which is true. There are serious allegations which, if true, are troubling. They go on to say that

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"Plaintiffs’ affidavits present evidence to substantiate their allegations"

Which is also true, they do have affidavits but note the bolded word.
Substantiate means "provide evidence to support or prove the truth of."
Substantial means "of considerable importance, size, or worth."
You are dishonestly mixing up those two words, the second of which appears nowhere in the document you cherry picked from.

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/162245-2020-11-23-or.pdf

They did NOT say that there is substantial evidence of fraud.
They said that there are serious allegations of fraud which there are affidavits to back up.
No comment is made about the veracity of those affidavits although other cases which have looked at them have laughed them out of court.
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Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7201 on: November 25, 2020, 03:20:53 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331404288149643264?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Well apparently as gullible as Republicans in general seem to be, Newsmax has managed to grab the most gullible among them for their audience; a staggering 99% are living in Trump Fantasyland according to a poll from their organization that he cites in this tweet.

Zombies unite for Trump!
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7202 on: November 25, 2020, 04:07:54 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331404288149643264?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Well apparently as gullible as Republicans in general seem to be, Newsmax has managed to grab the most gullible among them for their audience; a staggering 99% are living in Trump Fantasyland according to a poll from their organization that he cites in this tweet.

Zombies unite for Trump!

That is a pretty small poll for an internet poll.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7203 on: November 25, 2020, 09:08:37 PM »
Laughable landslide :
BREAKING! Bill Krackomberger, a professional oddsmaker, reports that Las Vegas is not yet paying out on Election 2020 bets because they're predicting Trump is going to be President for four more years. Vegas knows!


What kind of person would devote endless hours posting scientific facts trying to correct the few retards who believe in the FE? I slay shitty little demons.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7204 on: November 25, 2020, 09:37:14 PM »
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"Plaintiffs’ affidavits present evidence to substantiate their allegations"

Which is also true, they do have affidavits but note the bolded word.
Substantiate means "provide evidence to support or prove the truth of."
Substantial means "of considerable importance, size, or worth."
You are dishonestly mixing up those two words, the second of which appears nowhere in the document you cherry picked from.

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/162245-2020-11-23-or.pdf

They did NOT say that there is substantial evidence of fraud.
They said that there are serious allegations of fraud which there are affidavits to back up.
No comment is made about the veracity of those affidavits although other cases which have looked at them have laughed them out of court.

Nope. You have continuously called people dishonest on this forum, when the problem is really with you. You just don't know things, like words and definitions.





So if the "plaintiffs’ affidavits present evidence to substantiate their allegations" then they have provided substantial evidence.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7205 on: November 25, 2020, 09:38:25 PM »
You have continuously called people dishonest on this forum

Only when they're being dishonest. You said

A fraud case reached the Mighigan Supreme Court recently. They said that there is substantial evidence of fraud

This is a lie. You know it's a lie because you posted the document it's from. Well, as usual you posted a cherry picked quote from it but, having read it, they did NOT say there is substantial evidence of fraud

Play little semantic games all you like, they court just didn't say that.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7206 on: November 25, 2020, 09:52:01 PM »
They did say that there is substantial evidence. The court said that they substantiated their claims. You just think that the word substantial is different than substantiated, when they both mean to make solid or believable.

From a law firm's website: https://www.spolinlaw.com/blog/2020/08/24/what-is-the-substantial-evidence-standard/



So it's not different than substantiate.

Another one:

https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/substantial-evidence/



Same definition.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7207 on: November 25, 2020, 09:52:19 PM »
You just think that the word substantial is different than substantiated
So does the dictionary.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7208 on: November 25, 2020, 09:55:02 PM »
Tom has a substanial amount of posts on this forum.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #7209 on: November 25, 2020, 10:03:43 PM »
Tom has a substanial amount of posts on this forum.
I can substantiate that.

Also, Trump is continuing to drain the swamp...by pardoning his mates

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55080923
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7210 on: November 26, 2020, 12:06:59 AM »
Only Tom would take a pronouncement of substantial enough evidence to warrant an evidentiary hearing as a giant victory for Trump.


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Re: Trump
« Reply #7211 on: November 26, 2020, 07:47:45 AM »
Tom has a substanial amount of posts on this forum.

If you didn't qualify that with "amount," the phrase "Tom has substantial posts on this forum" would mean something different.

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« Reply #7212 on: November 26, 2020, 08:01:43 AM »
Tom has a substanial amount of posts on this forum.

If you didn't qualify that with "amount," the phrase "Tom has substantial posts on this forum" would mean something different.

Is the net goal post 1/20 to continue to try and de-legitimize the election? AATW has asked several times. No answers. What's the strategy post inauguration?

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7213 on: November 26, 2020, 08:49:26 AM »
Tom has a substanial amount of posts on this forum.

If you didn't qualify that with "amount," the phrase "Tom has substantial posts on this forum" would mean something different.

Is the net goal post 1/20 to continue to try and de-legitimize the election? AATW has asked several times. No answers. What's the strategy post inauguration?

The strategy will be to enjoy the win, since Trump won the 2020 election.


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Re: Trump
« Reply #7214 on: November 26, 2020, 09:01:42 AM »
Tom has a substanial amount of posts on this forum.

If you didn't qualify that with "amount," the phrase "Tom has substantial posts on this forum" would mean something different.

Is the net goal post 1/20 to continue to try and de-legitimize the election? AATW has asked several times. No answers. What's the strategy post inauguration?

The strategy will be to enjoy the win, since Trump won the 2020 election.



Ok, got it. But let's say in the off-chance, Trump doesn't win. What's the strategy post inauguration?

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« Reply #7215 on: November 26, 2020, 09:15:51 AM »
Ok, got it. But let's say in the off-chance, Trump doesn't win. What's the strategy post inauguration?
On the off-chance that he didn't win (even though he did), we will enjoy his win, because he won.

We need to be careful, though - Trump might get tired of winning so much and call it quits.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7216 on: November 26, 2020, 09:18:40 AM »
How about we all agree that Trump won the election but Biden gets to be President on a technicality (like how many people voted for him).
Does that work?
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« Reply #7217 on: November 26, 2020, 09:53:49 AM »
I think this could be workable. We just need to turn President into a meaningless, ceremonial position, and appoint Trump as... Prime Minister? Lord Protector? Supreme Leader?
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« Reply #7218 on: November 26, 2020, 10:16:37 AM »
I think this could be workable. We just need to turn President into a meaningless, ceremonial position, and appoint Trump as... Prime Minister? Lord Protector? Supreme Leader?

How about just plain old fashioned, King? Regalia to include crown, scepter, the frilly over-the-shoulders pashmina thing. And call it a day?

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7219 on: November 26, 2020, 11:06:43 AM »
Let’s just make him The Dude and serve everyone screwdrivers.