[Lord Dave]

As far as I can tell the DNC refuses to even hold primary debates.

https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_debates,_2024



https://www.foxnews.com/media/democrats-rip-dnc-not-holding-2024-primary-debates-robs-voters

Yeah.  The Repubs did that in 2020.  Its all about ensuring the emcubrant isn't primaried and thus divide the party.

[Tom Bishop]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

So you have your answer now for why newcomers are not given a chance in the 2024 DNC primaries, and know now where to direct your criticism.

[honk]

There aren't going to be any debates for the Democratic presidential primary because Biden has no real competition. Even if they held a debate, Biden wouldn't attend. Why would he legitimize and potentially boost fringe candidates like RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson by debating them? It's all well and good to say you don't want Biden to be the nominee in a general sense, but for that to mean something, you also have to have someone specific who can replace him. If no serious Democratic candidate will step forward - and none have - then Biden will have to be the nominee.

[Tom Bishop]

According to the fox news article above the DNC has been publicly refusing to have primary debates since at least April 2023 when that article came out. Why would significant democrats go through the process and step up and run for president, knowing that they will be stifled by the DNC?

[Roundy]

You seem to be mistaking age with competency. Here is Donald Trump to set you straight:

This is the same Donald Trump that just vowed to defeat Obama in 2024 right? Yes, he seems fully with it. 

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump-confuses-obama-and-biden-in-speech-warns-biden-will-lead-u-s-into-world-war-ii-193178181948

[Tom Bishop]

Did you watch the first fifteen seconds of that video? He didn't mix Biden and Obama there. He was talking about Obama.

As you know Crooked Joe Biden and
the radical left thugs have weaponized
law enforcement to arrest  their leading
political opponent, leading by a lot,
including Obama. I'll tell you what, you
look at Obama and some of the thing
he's done. We did it with Obama, we
won an election they said could be won

In his second sentence there he says to look at some of the bad things Obama has done, indicating that he was saying in his previous statement that Obama also weaponized law enforcement.

This claim against Obama weaponizing law enforcement is not new -

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/2020-07/2020-07-28-Examining-Democrat-Allegations-Against-Attorney-General-William-P-Barr.pdf

"The Obama-Biden Justice Department investigated journalists, targeted legitimate businesses disliked by the Obama-Biden Administration, and flouted Congressional oversight. Most notoriously, the Obama-Biden Justice Department weaponized its law-enforcement apparatus against the campaign of Donald Trump."

Obama had weaponized law enforcement against conservatives, including Donald Trump.

[Lord Dave]

I'm sorry but that sounds like he's having a stroke.
The first sentance says that biden is having his leading politician arrested, including Obama.

"We won an election they said we could win" - uhhh... Yeah?

[Roundy]

Did you watch the first fifteen seconds of that video? He didn't mix Biden and Obama there. He was talking about Obama.

As you know Crooked Joe Biden and
the radical left thugs have weaponized
law enforcement to arrest  their leading
political opponent, leading by a lot,
including Obama. I'll tell you what, you
look at Obama and some of the thing
he's done. We did it with Obama, we
won an election they said could be won

In his second sentence there he says to look at some of the bad things Obama has done, indicating that he was saying in his previous statement that Obama also weaponized law enforcement.

This claim against Obama weaponizing law enforcement is not new -

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/2020-07/2020-07-28-Examining-Democrat-Allegations-Against-Attorney-General-William-P-Barr.pdf

"The Obama-Biden Justice Department investigated journalists, targeted legitimate businesses disliked by the Obama-Biden Administration, and flouted Congressional oversight. Most notoriously, the Obama-Biden Justice Department weaponized its law-enforcement apparatus against the campaign of Donald Trump."

Obama had weaponized law enforcement against conservatives, including Donald Trump.

My bad, he clearly says that he already defeated Obama in an election they said "could be won". He goes on to say that Biden is going to get us into World War II. Oops. And for a refreshing change of pace Dave is absolutely right, he literally looks like he's having a stroke in that video. But tell me again how Biden is cognitively impaired and unfit to be President. 

[Action80]

But tell me again how Biden is cognitively impaired and unfit to be President. 

\
Can't you visit your local pre-school and ask one of the students to inform you concerning the facts of this matter?

If you take Brandon along, you would be even more enlightened...amirite?

[Tom Bishop]

Anyone watching the fist fifteen seconds of the video knows that he said "couldn't be won".

I sense some denial here. Not to worry though, because you are in warm company with the liberal media.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/wapo-scrambles-after-own-poll-accidentally-shows-trump-crushing-biden



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/abc-news-takes-down-video-gop-analyst-citing/



https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/111123274488248502

[Lord Dave]

Anyone watching the fist fifteen seconds of the video knows that he said "couldn't be won".

Then why did you not write that?  I just read what you wrote.  Never watched the video.

I sense some denial here. Not to worry though, because you are in warm company with the liberal media.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/wapo-scrambles-after-own-poll-accidentally-shows-trump-crushing-biden



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/abc-news-takes-down-video-gop-analyst-citing/



https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/111123274488248502

Considering how you spent the months of October, November, December of 2020 and January to March of 2021 saying how Trump won/will win/have the election overturned... I'm guessing you're an expert on denial.

[garygreen]

Considering how you spent the months of October, November, December of 2020 and January to March of 2021 saying how Trump won/will win/have the election overturned... I'm guessing you're an expert on denial.

let's not forget the time he spent a whole month insisting that obama and hillary had been executed because he saw one tweet about it lol

[Tom Bishop]

More proof that you are following deception.

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1707450919493800046

[honk]

It would have taken you two seconds to check this with a Google search and confirm for yourself that it's absolutely untrue. CNN has a page with live updates to the story:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-impeachment-hearing-house-oversight-09-28-23/index.html

MSNBC has also plenty of articles about what's happening on their website - they're making no effort to be neutral, but they're still covering the subject. I don't usually watch the news on TV, but I think I can still say with some confidence that I'm sure they're covering it too. Don't listen to right-wing grifters. They're liars.

[Tom Bishop]

The twitter comment was specifically talking about television networks, so your comment about you not watching tv is an automatic submission.

That page you linked as your evidence is featured on neither the front page of https://cnn.com or https://www.cnn.com/politics. Having a page for it hardly shows that it is being treated in the same manner as the Trump Impeachment. You can go there yourself and see that it is wrong that it is being treated in the same way.

If you go to https://cnn.com and search for "impeachment" you see some non-featured links to "Fact check: Republicans make false, misleading claims at first Biden impeachment inquiry hearing" and "Republican witnesses directly undercut GOP narrative at impeachment hearing"

On television the Trump impeachment was treated with as much importance as a major terrorist attack, that everybody just had to know about, which it is clearly not in the case of the Biden impeachment.

[honk]

The twitter comment was specifically talking about television networks

That's odd, because I would have thought that "CNN, MSNBC and the Big 3 TV networks" would in fact refer to CNN, MSNBC, and the Big 3 TV networks.

That page you linked as your evidence is featured on neither the front page of https://cnn.com or https://www.cnn.com/politics. Having a page for it hardly shows that it is being treated in the same manner as the Trump Impeachment. You can go there yourself and see that it is wrong that it is being treated in the same way.

If you go to https://cnn.com and search for "impeachment" you see some non-featured links to "Fact check: Republicans make false, misleading claims at first Biden impeachment inquiry hearing" and "Republican witnesses directly undercut GOP narrative at impeachment hearing"

On television the Trump impeachment was also treated with as much importance as a major terrorist attack, that everybody just had to know about, which it is clearly not in the case of the Biden impeachment.

You're changing the subject. This tweet is claiming that CNN is blacking out coverage of the Biden impeachment inquiry, not simply that it's downplaying it or not treating it as momentous as Trump's impeachment. That's not a simple misunderstanding or a poor choice of words; that's a blatant lie.

[Roundy]

I'm not gonna lose sleep if they're not covering a sham inquiry intended as nothing but political assassination anyway tbh

[Tom Bishop]

That's odd, because I would have thought that "CNN, MSNBC and the Big 3 TV networks" would in fact refer to CNN, MSNBC, and the Big 3 TV networks.

You're changing the subject. This tweet is claiming that CNN is blacking out coverage of the Biden impeachment inquiry, not simply that it's downplaying it or not treating it as momentous as Trump's impeachment. That's not a simple misunderstanding or a poor choice of words; that's a blatant lie.

The Tweet is claiming that the big television networks are not covering it. Your response is that you do not watch TV, but suspect that it is incorrect and immediately claimed in the same post that he is lying. How is it a blatant lie considering that you do not watch TV, exactly?

[honk]

The Tweet is claiming that the big television networks are not covering it. Your response is that you do not watch TV, but suspect that it is incorrect and immediately claimed in the same post that he is lying. How is it a blatant lie considering that you do not watch TV, exactly?

And also that CNN and MSNBC weren't covering it. By showing that CNN and MSNBC were in fact covering it, I showed that the post was lying. Your logic basically amounts to "Well, if you omit the part where they lied, then it turns out that they didn't lie." And in the interests of putting this ambiguity to rest, I looked it up and it turns out that the big three TV networks did in fact cover this, and posted their livestreams on YouTube. Here's NBC, here's ABC, and here's CBS. There we go, every part of that stupid tweet was a lie.

[Tom Bishop]

Those are links to Youtube channels. That is not television. Yes, there were cameras there as there always are, but they didn't play this six hour video on television -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbNeM_H7P60

"CBS News Streaming Network is the premier 24/7 anchored streaming news service from CBS News and Stations, available free to everyone with access to the Internet."