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« Reply #7920 on: December 28, 2020, 08:13:24 PM »
Do keep up. The hand count verified that the originally reported election night results from the voting machines were way off.

The Antrim County hand recount, as part of their audit resulted in a 12 vote gain for Trump. Once again, the Dominion Voting Machine conspiracy proves to be filled with pure crap.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/12/17/antrim-county-audit-shows-12-vote-gain-trump/3938988001/

Wrong.

The content in this story is false or misleading and suggests that there were very minor discrepancies found. This is incorrect. The hand recount in Antrim didn't show minor discrepancies from the original reported results on election day. It showed major discrepancies. The county originally declared that Biden won in Antrim county, but that was later revised to declare that Trump won, and a hand recount showed the original election claim to be false.

Recount Confirms Trump Won Michigan County That Reported Biden Win on Election Night

https://m.theepochtimes.com/recount-confirms-trump-won-michigan-county-that-reported-biden-win-on-election-night_3624020.html

"A hand recount on Wednesday confirmed that a Michigan county falsely reported on election night a win for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

The recount in Antrim County found 9,759 votes for President Donald Trump, versus 5,959 for Biden.

On Nov. 3, county officials said Biden received over 3,000 more votes than Trump. Two days later, they said Trump won by about 2,500 votes. A third change took place on Nov. 21, with Trump being certified the winner by nearly 4,000 votes.

Officials blamed the skewed results on human error.

Antrim County uses Dominion Voting Systems machines and software."

Here is another source which reported that there were significant discrepancies from the original reported Antrim county election night results, which your link hides or neglects to report:

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-gary-peters-michigan-elections-dc3e16d42a27286fabc5b3e92386d7af

"BELLAIRE, Mich. (AP) — President Donald Trump didn’t win Michigan, but he can put a small county in the victory column after an unusual second look at the results.

Trump defeated Joe Biden in Antrim County, getting 56% of the vote, according to revised totals posted Thursday. Republican John James was the favorite in the Senate race.

“It certainly makes a lot more sense with people who are familiar with Antrim County,” said Jeremy Scott, deputy county administrator.

Questions were raised after the county first reported a local landslide for Biden, a Democrat, in an area that usually votes Republican. Officials acknowledged the results seemed “skewed” and promised a second look. More than 16,000 votes were cast."

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« Reply #7921 on: December 28, 2020, 08:15:48 PM »
I said certified results and you are asking me to keep up. I’ve also said that elections are a process that don’t end on election night. You missed that? You ignored it? Either way, you don’t have a grasp on what I am saying.

Now I asked a simple question: if the hand recount of hand marked ballots matches the CERTIFIED results which matches the canvass, where did the fraud occur?
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« Reply #7922 on: December 28, 2020, 08:27:24 PM »
The Dominion voting machines reported wrong results and an investigation caught those lying voting machines. Why are you arguing about a later hand recount which matched the investigation that caught the lying machines when the matter is lying voting machines?

This is your desperate nonsense you are using to try and argue that the Antrim election was legitimate, that there is no voter machine fraud, and that we should disregard the forensic audit which came from that county that found issues with the machines.

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« Reply #7923 on: December 28, 2020, 10:17:38 PM »
The Dominion voting machines reported wrong results and an investigation caught those lying voting machines. Why are you arguing about a later hand recount which matched the investigation that caught the lying machines when the matter is lying voting machines?

You’re sounding a little upset. Machines don’t lie. There were errors, human errors mind you, which were corrected after they were caught through the regular course of the election procedure. No Kraken needed because there isn’t a nefarious conspiracy. Once the errors were corrected the results were accurate.

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This is your desperate nonsense you are using to try and argue that the Antrim election was legitimate, that there is no voter machine fraud, and that we should disregard the forensic audit which came from that county that found issues with the machines.

You’re not making much sense here. The accurate result was certified, not the inaccurate result. Nothing was disregarded, and a hand recount confirmed all of it.
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« Reply #7924 on: December 28, 2020, 10:31:44 PM »
The Dominion voting machines had "errors". Big errors. So why should we disregard the forensic audit that came from that county which said that the machines studied had issues again?

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« Reply #7925 on: December 28, 2020, 10:39:38 PM »
The Dominion voting machines had "errors". Big errors.

You are starting to sound like Trump.

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So why should we disregard the forensic audit that came from that county which said that the machines studied had issues again?

And act illogically like Trump. It wasn’t disregarded. The human errors were corrected before certification.
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« Reply #7926 on: December 28, 2020, 11:29:03 PM »
You don't know that they were "human errors". They were using the Dominion voting machines. That is merely a desperate excuse from a losing position.

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« Reply #7927 on: December 28, 2020, 11:33:18 PM »
you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?
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« Reply #7928 on: December 28, 2020, 11:46:50 PM »
you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?

Nothing. And foreigners who are only interested in the intellectual satisfaction of debating Tom (whatever that's worth) have no stake in anything that happens at all really. And that's mostly all who seem to be left interested in talking to Tom about Trump.  Accusing them of being desperate... well, it just smacks of desperation.

He's been spouting desperate nonsense ever since his boy was declared the loser, and he will always have a (usually also nonsensical) rebuttal to anything you throw at him. I just don't see the point in engaging him.

The foreigners can have their fun. Such as it is.
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Go kicking and screaming, lol, it all means the same on January 21st.

Before this is over I'm betting you eat those landslide words :)

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« Reply #7929 on: December 29, 2020, 12:32:01 AM »
And foreigners

P. Racist, homie.

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who are only interested in the intellectual satisfaction of debating Tom (whatever that's worth) have no stake in anything that happens at all really.

I don’t understand why some Americans think this while simultaneously touting their international influence. The US is responsible for 70% of the trade with Canada. Our economy is intrinsically linked to yours. I’m very much interested in having a rational and trustworthy president over Trump.
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« Reply #7930 on: December 29, 2020, 01:16:53 AM »
you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?

The audits aren't going in their favor. Joe Biden supporters are super desperate to call court appointed experts and govt. representatives liars.

Michigan

Antrim, Michigan Forensic Audit - https://depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

"The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is .0008% We observed an error rate of 68.05%... The results of the Antrim County 2020 election are not certifiable."

Georgia

Savannah, Georgia Machine Audit - Court appointed expert Russell Ramsland from the Antrim county audit says Georgia tabulation machines were sending data to Germany and China - https://streamable.com/cad03h | Source 2

Arizona

Arizona audit finds enough fraud to flip election, per Rep Paul Gosar:

https://twitter.com/DrPaulGosar



Arizona Supervisors then refused to comply with further subpoenas.

Pennsylvania

BREAKING: Pennsylvania Certified Results for President Are Found in Error – The Error Is Twice the Size of the Difference Between Candidates

"Republican State Representative Russ Diamond uncovered and reported today that the results for President are way off in Pennsylvania.  More ballots were cast than people voted by more than 200,000 votes."
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« Reply #7931 on: December 29, 2020, 05:25:52 AM »
you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?

Georgia

Savannah, Georgia Machine Audit - Court appointed expert Russell Ramsland from the Antrim county audit says Georgia tabulation machines were sending data to Germany and China - https://streamable.com/cad03h | Source 2

What court "appointed" Ramsland?

Oh yeah, Ramsland is this guy:

"In one such analysis on voter turnout, Ramsland mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns. In another, filed in support of a federal lawsuit in Michigan, he made inaccurate claims about voter turnout in various municipalities, misstating them as much as tenfold."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/15/trump-fact-check-defect-voting-machines-michigan/3902951001/

What court would appoint him?

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« Reply #7932 on: December 29, 2020, 05:40:47 AM »
Roundy is right.

Debating Tom is like debating a bot.  You'll never get a good answer or even a different one.  Just ask for a real person.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #7933 on: December 29, 2020, 03:33:57 PM »
you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?
because IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!

cool, you've been saying that since october. forgive me if i'm still not feeling especially desperate.

btw is obama in jail for treason yet? whatever happened with that?
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« Reply #7934 on: December 29, 2020, 09:41:12 PM »
you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?

Georgia

Savannah, Georgia Machine Audit - Court appointed expert Russell Ramsland from the Antrim county audit says Georgia tabulation machines were sending data to Germany and China - https://streamable.com/cad03h | Source 2

What court "appointed" Ramsland?

Oh yeah, Ramsland is this guy:

"In one such analysis on voter turnout, Ramsland mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns. In another, filed in support of a federal lawsuit in Michigan, he made inaccurate claims about voter turnout in various municipalities, misstating them as much as tenfold."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/15/trump-fact-check-defect-voting-machines-michigan/3902951001/

What court would appoint him?

Lol "Everyone is Wrong and LiEeInG"

That is a desperate argument from a losing position. An argument from a position of strength would have positive evidence for that position.

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« Reply #7935 on: December 29, 2020, 10:25:47 PM »
you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?

Georgia

Savannah, Georgia Machine Audit - Court appointed expert Russell Ramsland from the Antrim county audit says Georgia tabulation machines were sending data to Germany and China - https://streamable.com/cad03h | Source 2

What court "appointed" Ramsland?

Oh yeah, Ramsland is this guy:

"In one such analysis on voter turnout, Ramsland mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns. In another, filed in support of a federal lawsuit in Michigan, he made inaccurate claims about voter turnout in various municipalities, misstating them as much as tenfold."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/15/trump-fact-check-defect-voting-machines-michigan/3902951001/

What court would appoint him?

Lol "Everyone is Wrong and LiEeInG"

That is a desperate argument from a losing position. An argument from a position of strength would have positive evidence for that position.

What might be the losing position? That Biden won the election and will be sworn in on 1/20? What will you say on 1/21 when Biden is residing in the white house? That there is still no "positive" evidence and desperate arguments are being made as to why Biden is president?

And you didn't answer the question. You wrote that Ramsland was "court appointed". What court appointed him? A simple question about a simple claim you made, yet you dodged it. Why?

Now, back to more interesting stuff. Like GG, I'm very interested in what happened to your claims regarding the falcolner and the Survivor contestant. Have those terabytes of treasonous evidence against the Obama administration shown up yet? It's been over a month and nothing. Seems like its way more important stuff - It could knock out Obama, Biden, and HRC in one fell swoop. A crushing trifecta. Yet, poof, all seems to have disappeared. Please provide an update.

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« Reply #7936 on: December 29, 2020, 11:13:03 PM »
What might be the losing position? That Biden won the election and will be sworn in on 1/20? What will you say on 1/21 when Biden is residing in the white house? That there is still no "positive" evidence and desperate arguments are being made as to why Biden is president?

And you didn't answer the question. You wrote that Ramsland was "court appointed". What court appointed him? A simple question about a simple claim you made, yet you dodged it. Why?

Now, back to more interesting stuff. Like GG, I'm very interested in what happened to your claims regarding the falcolner and the Survivor contestant. Have those terabytes of treasonous evidence against the Obama administration shown up yet? It's been over a month and nothing. Seems like its way more important stuff - It could knock out Obama, Biden, and HRC in one fell swoop. A crushing trifecta. Yet, poof, all seems to have disappeared. Please provide an update.

You now want me to talk about 1/20 predictions, the court that appointed Ramsland's audit and things Obama did?

How about we continue talking about and pointing out how you do not actually have positive evidence for your position, and are desperately shouting that everyone who has disagreeable evidence with you is wrong or lying. That is a pretty pathetic position to be in, fyi.

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« Reply #7937 on: December 29, 2020, 11:48:26 PM »
Will Biden wear a tan suit on Inauguration Day?
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« Reply #7939 on: December 30, 2020, 03:49:53 AM »
What might be the losing position? That Biden won the election and will be sworn in on 1/20? What will you say on 1/21 when Biden is residing in the white house? That there is still no "positive" evidence and desperate arguments are being made as to why Biden is president?

And you didn't answer the question. You wrote that Ramsland was "court appointed". What court appointed him? A simple question about a simple claim you made, yet you dodged it. Why?

Now, back to more interesting stuff. Like GG, I'm very interested in what happened to your claims regarding the falcolner and the Survivor contestant. Have those terabytes of treasonous evidence against the Obama administration shown up yet? It's been over a month and nothing. Seems like its way more important stuff - It could knock out Obama, Biden, and HRC in one fell swoop. A crushing trifecta. Yet, poof, all seems to have disappeared. Please provide an update.

You now want me to talk about 1/20 predictions, the court that appointed Ramsland's audit and things Obama did?

How about we continue talking about and pointing out how you do not actually have positive evidence for your position, and are desperately shouting that everyone who has disagreeable evidence with you is wrong or lying. That is a pretty pathetic position to be in, fyi.

I think the 60 failed "positive evidence" of mass systemic election altering fraud suits speak for themselves. Yeah, I think the pathetic position to be in is Trump being thrown out of the WH on 1/20. That's all the "positive evidence" I need.

And yeah, you claimed Ramsland was "court appointed". By what court? You still won't answer that. I'm looking for some positive evidence that that occurred. Do you have any?
And yeah, way more interesting and you were all hot and bothered by it: The falcolner and the Survivor contestant. Have those terabytes of treasonous evidence against the Obama administration shown up yet? If so, it might be the positive evidence you've been looking for to oust Biden and reinstall Trump. Seems germane to the conversation as it was such an all encompassing bombshell.