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Re: Trump
« Reply #5160 on: April 24, 2020, 07:09:07 AM »
Just, please don't drink bleach to own the libs.
Don't you tell me what to do  >:(

He really has to stop saying this shit. I know some people think that the press unfairly obsess over him, maybe with some justification, but holy shit he gives a lot of ammo.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5161 on: April 24, 2020, 09:54:45 AM »
I don't need some jackass who thinks he knows better than I do determining how to spend the money I am forced to pay them.

Ummm, I'm pretty sure that's what our government does every waking moment of every day; Determines what your tax dollars should be spent on. So by and large, we are letting some jackass(es) who thinks s/he knows better than we do determining how to spend the money we are forced to pay them.
Absolutely correct.

Getting kinda tired of it.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5162 on: April 24, 2020, 09:56:49 AM »
Hmm. Lackey, I thought you were American. What country do you live in that allows you to decide how your taxes are spent?
Yep.

I am a citizen and resident of the US.

And I would like to eliminate production taxes.

All in favor of consumption taxes.

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« Reply #5163 on: April 24, 2020, 10:08:32 AM »
I don't need some jackass who thinks he knows better than I do determining how to spend the money I am forced to pay them.

Ummm, I'm pretty sure that's what our government does every waking moment of every day; Determines what your tax dollars should be spent on. So by and large, we are letting some jackass(es) who thinks s/he knows better than we do determining how to spend the money we are forced to pay them.
Absolutely correct.

Getting kinda tired of it.
You understand that in a democracy you are voting for the person who you trust to spend that money in the way you would want them to?
I mean, some people think it's a good idea to elect a leader who would waste billions of their dollars on a massive wall.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5164 on: April 24, 2020, 10:16:45 AM »
I don't need some jackass who thinks he knows better than I do determining how to spend the money I am forced to pay them.

Ummm, I'm pretty sure that's what our government does every waking moment of every day; Determines what your tax dollars should be spent on. So by and large, we are letting some jackass(es) who thinks s/he knows better than we do determining how to spend the money we are forced to pay them.
Absolutely correct.

Getting kinda tired of it.
You understand that in a democracy you are voting for the person who you trust to spend that money in the way you would want them to?
I mean, some people think it's a good idea to elect a leader who would waste billions of their dollars on a massive wall.
Yeah, doesn't mean I have to keep supporting it.

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« Reply #5165 on: April 24, 2020, 11:01:06 AM »
Yeah, doesn't mean I have to keep supporting it.
What do you see as the alternative, out of interest?
In a small village you can maybe club together and agree on who maintains the roads, how you defend yourselves against attacks from other villages, whether you're going to have a hospital which you all pay into and everyone can then use for free or whether you have to pay for treatment and it's every man for himself and those who can't pay are screwed.

When you come to a country, that isn't going to work. The party outlines their priorities, what they want to spend money on. If you largely agree with them then you vote for them. If they don't spend money or make policies in the way they said they would then maybe next time you won't vote for them.
It's not a perfect system by any means but what would be better?
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5166 on: April 24, 2020, 11:07:32 AM »
Yeah, doesn't mean I have to keep supporting it.
What do you see as the alternative, out of interest?
In a small village you can maybe club together and agree on who maintains the roads, how you defend yourselves against attacks from other villages, whether you're going to have a hospital which you all pay into and everyone can then use for free or whether you have to pay for treatment and it's every man for himself and those who can't pay are screwed.

When you come to a country, that isn't going to work. The party outlines their priorities, what they want to spend money on. If you largely agree with them then you vote for them. If they don't spend money or make policies in the way they said they would then maybe next time you won't vote for them.
It's not a perfect system by any means but what would be better?
Dying seems a better alternative at this point.
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« Reply #5167 on: April 24, 2020, 11:31:38 AM »
Yeah, doesn't mean I have to keep supporting it.
What do you see as the alternative, out of interest?
In a small village you can maybe club together and agree on who maintains the roads, how you defend yourselves against attacks from other villages, whether you're going to have a hospital which you all pay into and everyone can then use for free or whether you have to pay for treatment and it's every man for himself and those who can't pay are screwed.

When you come to a country, that isn't going to work. The party outlines their priorities, what they want to spend money on. If you largely agree with them then you vote for them. If they don't spend money or make policies in the way they said they would then maybe next time you won't vote for them.
It's not a perfect system by any means but what would be better?
Dying seems a better alternative at this point.

You could move elsewhere.  There is an entire world out there.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5168 on: April 24, 2020, 11:32:41 AM »
Yeah, doesn't mean I have to keep supporting it.
What do you see as the alternative, out of interest?
In a small village you can maybe club together and agree on who maintains the roads, how you defend yourselves against attacks from other villages, whether you're going to have a hospital which you all pay into and everyone can then use for free or whether you have to pay for treatment and it's every man for himself and those who can't pay are screwed.

When you come to a country, that isn't going to work. The party outlines their priorities, what they want to spend money on. If you largely agree with them then you vote for them. If they don't spend money or make policies in the way they said they would then maybe next time you won't vote for them.
It's not a perfect system by any means but what would be better?
Dying seems a better alternative at this point.

You could move elsewhere.  There is an entire world out there.
Nah...

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5169 on: April 24, 2020, 12:51:10 PM »
Yeah, doesn't mean I have to keep supporting it.
What do you see as the alternative, out of interest?
In a small village you can maybe club together and agree on who maintains the roads, how you defend yourselves against attacks from other villages, whether you're going to have a hospital which you all pay into and everyone can then use for free or whether you have to pay for treatment and it's every man for himself and those who can't pay are screwed.

When you come to a country, that isn't going to work. The party outlines their priorities, what they want to spend money on. If you largely agree with them then you vote for them. If they don't spend money or make policies in the way they said they would then maybe next time you won't vote for them.
It's not a perfect system by any means but what would be better?
Dying seems a better alternative at this point.

Would it be fair to say that you hate democracy as it exists in the US then?
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
My friends, please remember Tom said this the next time you fall into the trap of engaging him, and thank you. :)

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5170 on: April 24, 2020, 01:27:33 PM »
Yeah, doesn't mean I have to keep supporting it.
What do you see as the alternative, out of interest?
In a small village you can maybe club together and agree on who maintains the roads, how you defend yourselves against attacks from other villages, whether you're going to have a hospital which you all pay into and everyone can then use for free or whether you have to pay for treatment and it's every man for himself and those who can't pay are screwed.

When you come to a country, that isn't going to work. The party outlines their priorities, what they want to spend money on. If you largely agree with them then you vote for them. If they don't spend money or make policies in the way they said they would then maybe next time you won't vote for them.
It's not a perfect system by any means but what would be better?
Dying seems a better alternative at this point.

Would it be fair to say that you hate democracy as it exists in the US then?
Probably more fair to write the US, existing as Constitutional Republic, no longer exists.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5171 on: April 24, 2020, 02:40:21 PM »
Nah...

You would rather die than live in a country other than the USA?

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« Reply #5172 on: April 24, 2020, 04:38:59 PM »
Yeah, doesn't mean I have to keep supporting it.
What do you see as the alternative, out of interest?
In a small village you can maybe club together and agree on who maintains the roads, how you defend yourselves against attacks from other villages, whether you're going to have a hospital which you all pay into and everyone can then use for free or whether you have to pay for treatment and it's every man for himself and those who can't pay are screwed.

When you come to a country, that isn't going to work. The party outlines their priorities, what they want to spend money on. If you largely agree with them then you vote for them. If they don't spend money or make policies in the way they said they would then maybe next time you won't vote for them.
It's not a perfect system by any means but what would be better?
Dying seems a better alternative at this point.

Would it be fair to say that you hate democracy as it exists in the US then?
Probably more fair to write the US, existing as Constitutional Republic, no longer exists.

In what ways does what AllAroundTheWorld described differ from the workings of a constitutional republic?
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
My friends, please remember Tom said this the next time you fall into the trap of engaging him, and thank you. :)

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« Reply #5173 on: April 24, 2020, 07:31:56 PM »
You mean, "The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union?"

That is the full title you know...please read it again.

And I will remind you that more people still clamor to come to the United States than other country in the world.
Yes.  The articles that were very clearly written to give states alot of power over the federal government.  So much so that a NEW constitution was written just so the Federal Government didn't collapse because States did not want to give it tax money.  (Not very uniony)

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I'm assimilating into Norwegian Culture. 

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See, American culture is full of self sufficiency.  The idea that if you can't stand on your own, you don't deserve to be helped.
Horse hockey.

More charitable contributions originate from the US than any other nation in the world.
America is the 3rd most populated nation on Earth.  America is also the richest of the top 3.  Therefore, by sheer numbers, they would give more charity.  Might as well compare America to South Africa.  And also remember: Charity is by choice.  Like throwing spare change at a homeless person.  Sure, there are those who are good, generous people.  But they won't give anymore than they feel comfortable giving.  An amount they won't miss.  And lets not forget: It's tax deductable.  Ya know, so the rich will do it more.  Because that's what we need: Bribing people to give to charity.

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You see it in politics when senators put in ear marks to help their states, even if it costs everyone a little bit more.  (like adding an extra $5,000 for a new park in a bill for authorizing weapon sales to France)  You see it in the streets as people walk by a man literally bleeding to death in NYC and ignoring him.  You see it in our neighbors as they "mind their own business".  We Americans want for ourselves, not for others.  We'll happily let a single mom struggle just so we don't have to pay extra in taxes.  So we can keep OUR money.  So we can be sure OUR money isn't funding LAZY people.
Yeah, again with the unsubstantiated broad brush painting.
Not really.  Earmarks are a fact. 
The man bleeding to death while people walked by actually happened.
And "mind your own business" is often said. 

Are you going to deny these things?  Did no one ever tell you "mind your own buisiness"?  Did your parents never teach you to keep your nose out of other people's business?


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My tax dollars are mine, by definition.

I don't need some jackass who thinks he knows better than I do determining how to spend the money I am forced to pay them.
And here we have the crux of America's problem.
Tell me, when do they stop being your tax dollars?  When you pay them?  When the IRS processes them?  When the government spends them?  When that spent money goes to someone else's paycheck?
If your tax dollars (somehow) are marked, taken out of your pay, sent into the pot, then used to hire a contractor to fix up Yellow Stone Park's visitor center and is used (partly) to pay for the plumber who fixes the leaky pipe... is it still YOUR tax money, or is now the Plumber's salary?

How about when you pay your rent/Mortgage?  Is it still your money after you pay?  After the bank puts it to someone's loan? 
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5174 on: April 24, 2020, 07:32:40 PM »
Double post:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-he-was-being-sarcastic-comments-about-injecting-disinfectants-n1191991

Trump was just being sarcastic folks.  He wasn't wrong.  He wasn't misinformed.  He wasn't an idiot.  He was just loling you all.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #5175 on: April 24, 2020, 07:52:04 PM »
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"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds, it sounds interesting to me.”

This isn't a stupid question. There are natural disinfectants that the body produces that are bad for viruses.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/hydrogen-peroxide-treatment-coronavirus-infection-does-work-451710

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Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) appears to be another potential treatment for COVID-19. Health experts said the compound could help prevent virus from spreading across the body and from causing damage.

Hydrogen peroxide can be found both in stores and the human body. The immune system uses the compound to boost the natural functions of cells and prevent viral infection, Live Trading News reported Thursday.

Amid the COVID-19 pandemic, H2O2 may help fight the coronavirus, according to Dr. Thomas Levy. He said people can utilize hydrogen peroxide using its aerosolized form in a standard nebulizer.

Levy suggested using at least a 3 percent food grade hydrogen peroxide. It is important to know that some products have higher concentrations and people should inhale only 3 percent.

How Hydrogen Peroxide Works Against Coronavirus

The potential COVID-19 treatment mainly targets infected cells. Viruses move around the body by infecting live cells that replicate viral DNA and RNA.

A recent study, published in the Journal of Hospital Infection, shows that even just 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide could kill human coronaviruses, such as those that caused SARS and MERS. The findings backed a 2009 research that found inhaling vaporized hydrogen peroxide could lead to 99 percent inactivation of virus activities.

...“Effective hydrogen peroxide nebulization quite literally, ‘chops the head off of the snake,’ and the virus present elsewhere in the body can then readily be mopped up when the new virus influx has been terminated,” Levy said. 

The health expert recommends using the nebulizer with hydrogen peroxide for 10 to 15 mins, 4 times a day, until the symptoms of the infection improve.

“As it is a completely non-toxic therapy, nebulization can be administered as often as desired,” Levy noted. “If done on a daily basis at least once, a very positive impact on bowel and gut function will often be realized as killing the chronic pathogen colonization present in most noses and throats stops the 24/7 swallowing of these pathogens and their associated toxins.”

Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide drops are also a thing.
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« Reply #5176 on: April 24, 2020, 08:25:41 PM »
I would like to once again remind everyone that Tom is not a medical doctor and will blindly defend anything Trump says no matter how dumb.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #5177 on: April 24, 2020, 08:26:06 PM »

This isn't a stupid question. There are natural disinfectants that the body produces that are bad for viruses.

Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide drops are also a thing.


I have to admit, Tom's explanation of Trump sounds a lot more intelligent than what the Republican Party said about Trump's comment. Even though Tom's quoting an article from a publication that has been busted for BS in the past and publishes articles with no author names or citations, it is still more believable than, "He was being sarcastic."


What makes the question stupid is that Trump was surrounded by people who studied these things for decades and he thinks Lysol is a brilliant new breakthrough idea.

Holy Crap!  We never thought of that.
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If the world is round, it means that you’re just an idiot who believes stupid crap on the internet.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5178 on: April 24, 2020, 08:30:39 PM »
An actual doctor not quite believing what she was hearing from the POTUS



It must be genuinely terrifying working for someone like this who thinks he's an expert on everything and is actually an expert on nothing and, worse, routinely sacks or demotes people who speak up against whatever crazy schemes he thinks up.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #5179 on: April 24, 2020, 09:15:04 PM »
But Tom, you said Vitamin C cures the corona virus.  Why would you need anything more?
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.