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Flat Earth Community / Re: Evidence of this supposed Ice Wall

« on: June 22, 2017, 09:54:26 PM »

Tom, that image looks remarkably similar to any number of google images for 'ice shelf.' Specifically the Ross Ice Shelf. FAR too similar for it to be taken as gospel that this is the mythical 'ice wall.'

There are certainly 'walls of ice' all over the polar regions of the planet, but a small snippet of an an image such as you've shared does very little co inspire confidence that this runs the entire outer rim of the glob...er.....earth.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Why does my flat earth friend push so hard?

« on: June 22, 2017, 09:47:53 PM »

If you are so certain and secure in your belief that the earth is round, why have you been unable to prove it to your friend? That would be the easiest way to handle the situation.

See, this is problematic for me, since the burden of proof is on the FE supporters, who make the claim which refutes accepted science.

And before you tell me that the proof has been made- it hasn't, and you know it hasn't, given the number of 'nobody knows' and 'maybes' and 'we believe' claims. You're all very, very long on theory, and extremely short on tangible evidence.

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Flat Earth Community / Might need to amend the TFES homepage.....

« on: June 22, 2017, 09:42:43 PM »

Hi Guys!

It's been a while since I dropped in here. Life, you know....finds a way to step in the way of pleasure.
Anyway. When I finally DID have the time, and remembered to stop in, I notice two things.

In reverse chronological order:

- There looks to be an uptick in activity here as opposed to my last visit which was a sad state of affairs, since a topic that I'd started had lingered on the front page for a while. I'm glad to see it...but only because I adore the fencing back and forth between the RE and FE sides. It's a marvelous bouquet of point-counter-point, tinged with equal parts scientific observation, and juvenile barbs directed at an opponent's intellect. I've missed it.

- Secondly- and the main point of my post, is that on the front page, I see the link to the Shaquille O'Neal piece where he 'joins the flat earth movement.'
Being no stranger to academia, and having survived the 2016 US Presidential election, I decided to do some digging on this claim. The post was put up on March 21, and then immediately followed three days later by....numerous pieces indicating a backpedal, or- more accurately, a redaction of his claim calling it a joke.

Yet even three months later, it's showcased on the TFES front page like some sort of jewel, a peacock feather in the cap of the flat-earth world.

Did you not see his follow-up? Did you ignore it because, the lure of a big name was so blinding as to render the final word on the matter inconsequential? Or, is your web master just a little slow on the uptake?

Whatever the reason, methinks- should you desire any sort of serious consideration from your largely doubting public....it's time to remove fallacy from your home page.

Much love, and....yeah, its great to be back

-DS

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Scope of Conspiracy Seems Implausible

« on: December 25, 2015, 08:17:15 PM »

Personal attacks again. FE debate 101.
I sincerely hope I'm not the only one to realize how silly you're making yourself look. Keep picking at me though, if it'll make you feel better.

Your conclusion that there is no conspiracy regarding the shape of the earth is simply disregarding rational conclusions based on the data you're presenting.

Especially when you consider that a large portion of the FE community DOES believe there's a conspiracy to hide the shape of the earth. You alone reference the article above, whereas virtually every other flat-earth community member who responded to my initial questions offered debate supporting the idea of such a conspiracy that you deny exists. Consider too the OTHER flat earth communities on the web that speak openly about the academic conspiracy that predates NASA.
Plus the article itself is misleading, saying that there is no conspiracy to hide the shape of the earth, only the nature of the space program. It doesn't take very much effort to link the two, as I had before.

However, you can't bear to admit that there might be a gaping hole in your theory or precious article, and thus continue to run rings around me barking at my presentation and demeanor rather than my rebuttals to your argument. Thus, my assumptions are dismissed by you (and ONLY you) as being the result of a feeble mind and inability to read.

You sir, are arguing against me, the rest of the round earthers, a good portion of your OWN people, and the rational and logical conclusions which can be drawn from your precious link.

All I'm doing is reading said link, and interpreting what it says.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If the earth really flat, then what is on the edge of it?

« on: December 25, 2015, 03:09:00 AM »

According to the International Flat Earth Research Society, the giant ice wall around the outer edge is well documented.

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/06/south-pole-does-not-exist.html

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Merry Christmas, Happy Holiday or however you wish to celebrate

« on: December 25, 2015, 03:02:17 AM »

Merry Christmas fellow humans.

 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Scope of Conspiracy Seems Implausible

« on: December 25, 2015, 02:49:43 AM »

I'm not going to further the pissing contest. You think I'm an idiot, and I think you're a moron. Agree to disagree, now lets move on.

I'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt - that's why we're still talking, despite your extreme unwillingness to participate. But anyway:

I haven't concluded that there's a conspiracy in the least. However, the very nature of your community suggests that YOU (Perhaps not you personally, but the flat earth community in general) is convinced there is a conspiracy.

How exactly do you explain the conventional science of a round earth when the 'truth' is something only you and a couple of other people happen to know if there isn't a conspiracy to pass along false data or hide the truth? Without a conspiracy on some level, this entire thing comes unglued. If there's nobody keeping a secret, there's no secret. If there's no secret, there's no alternate truth.

I already answered your question. You ignored it because, again, you were too busy screaming about your hurt feelings.

Friend, you haven't got a prayer of even being remotely able to hurt my feelings, don't flatter yourself. In my real life I deal with people who do their best to get under my skin with some of the most vile personal insults you can possibly dream of (and some you couldn't. They're very creative sometimes.) You saying I can't read or don't understand a link doesn't even tweak the needle on my feelings-o-meter.

Moving onward:

I don't like the link you supplied. I know you're going to pick that apart- but seriously. Condensed into a few short sentences here's what it says:

"NASA pretended to have a space program for political/military reasons. As for the shape of the earth, everyone already thought it was round, so NASA said 'yeah, screw it. It's round. Why not?'"

The link you reference essentially states that there's been NO scientific validation of a round earth, but this is based on the theory that the space program was a hoax.
So then. As time goes on, and the saviors of the intellectual world (flat earthers) start to emerge with whatever 'data' they're championing, NASA would have to do one of three things:

1. Come out and say "Hold the phone, it turns out the world IS flat!" 
2. Stay quiet
3. Lie.

They're not going to come out and admit the world is flat, since that would be an admission of a falsified space program.

They're not staying quiet, so let's kick that right out the door, since they supply photographs and other data which supports a round earth. (Legitimate, falsified, it doesn't matter, they're handing it out.)

If they're lying....brother, that's a conspiracy.

Essentially, if NASA is hiding a faked space program, they're hiding the shape of the earth IF it is indeed not round. It's a string of logic. By now, NASA doesn't THINK anything about the shape of the earth. They know what shape it is.

And if THEY don't, then you saying you do is completely preposterous.

Lets say though for a moment that EVERYTHING about NASA is a sham. That it isn't science at all, but a group of actors or whatever. Wouldn't THEIR silence be conspiracy?

So in conclusion:

A: NASA knows the shape of the earth. In which case either:
     1. They're lying about it. or:
     2. It's round.
B. NASA is a sham and made up of phony scientists, and has no idea what shape the world is. In this case:
     1. Someone's lying to the world.

If either A1 or B1 is the case, then you have a conspiracy, which in my book would quickly grow out of hand and beyond control, bringing us back to my original statements and questions.

If A2 is the case.......

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Scope of Conspiracy Seems Implausible

« on: December 24, 2015, 08:32:16 PM »

I'm not going to further the pissing contest. You think I'm an idiot, and I think you're a moron. Agree to disagree, now lets move on.

I've combed your sources, checked your links, read your FAQ, your wiki....all of it, yet here I still am, debating away. Why?

I dunno, but you must have done a poor job at reading up if you've managed to convince yourself that there's a RE conspiracy is part of FET (and thus that it has a scope, which may in turn "seem implausible").

Actually I've done a bit of reading beyond your own articles and material. That's how research works. I haven't concluded that there's a conspiracy in the least. However, the very nature of your community suggests that YOU (Perhaps not you personally, but the flat earth community in general) is convinced there is a conspiracy.

How exactly do you explain the conventional science of a round earth when the 'truth' is something only you and a couple of other people happen to know if there isn't a conspiracy to pass along false data or hide the truth? Without a conspiracy on some level, this entire thing comes unglued. If there's nobody keeping a secret, there's no secret. If there's no secret, there's no alternate truth.

_____

And for the record, I don't frequent reddit, and I'm not familiar with Poe's law. I am perfectly capable of drawing conclusions based on evidence presented to me.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Scope of Conspiracy Seems Implausible

« on: December 23, 2015, 10:53:12 PM »

{yadda yadda yadda} ....Instead of doing so, you chose to go on an angry rant.

r u 4 srsly?

-Listen friend. Your voluminous retort to my post places you much more comfortably within the confines of a 'rant' than I was to begin with.
I've combed your sources, checked your links, read your FAQ, your wiki....all of it, yet here I still am, debating away. Why? Because it's genuinely interesting when I'm not fending off bush-league stabs at my intellect or trying to wade through convoluted indicators of how things seem to be done around here.

You tell me to read back. Now I'm going to ask you to do the same thing. You never said YOU were a troll, but you plainly said Sandhokan was. My question still stands- If he's a troll and not to be taken seriously, why is he allowed to run amok, further tattering the credibility of this entire community?

Perhaps his presence here is an indicator that yes, there IS a joke being played...and I fell for it. A lot of us did.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Motion of the Moon

« on: December 22, 2015, 05:40:20 PM »

Is there a flat Earth diagram that explain the Moon's motion around the flat Earth with it's inclination to the equator, changing size each month, moving different speeds with the Sun and relations of it's phase with it's position relative to the Sun?

Are you expecting the motion of the moon to be regular and or predictable?

What sort of question is this if it isn't blatant trolling? What about it is irregular and unpredictable? I've been on this earth (regardless of whatever goddamn shape you think it is) for 32 years, and the moon hasn't yet surprised me by showing up someplace random, or hiding behind a mountain giggling like a three year old in a game of hide-and-seek.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do any flat earthers take me seriously?

« on: December 22, 2015, 05:30:35 PM »

Oh, one more thing,  be sure to brand anyone who disagrees or presents evidence to the contrary as a paid Government shill. 

The round earther right above you accused me of lying about being a flat earther.  So round earthers can accuse flat earthers of whatever they want but I'm crazy for thinking that the abundance of round earthers that are wasting time here for no reason might be paid to do so?

In short....yes.

First of all, I get a huge kick out of this "Round eathers are wasting time here" - I'm not sure how familiar you are with the internet or its contents, but the overwhelming majority of its content is designed to 'waste time.' I'd be willing to bet that you yourself frequent any number of web sites, forums, or chat rooms where you get nothing out of it other than few moments of killed time or discussion.

Second of all, the implications that round earthers are being paid to debate you in your own dojo is hilarious. Some of us simply love a good debate, or argument. Go ahead and fault us for that, but sincerely scrutinize your own hobbies and pass-times before you do.

Finally, The idea that we're being paid to debate on an internet forum that consists of only a handful of active users is hugely arrogant. You're suggesting that this wee little corner of the internet is vital enough to the 'secret conspiracy' that the shadowy figures behind the curtain are paying me to argue with you?

No my friend. Nobody's paying me. My reward is the conversation, the debate, and the interaction on an intellectual level with people who don't think like I do. If you can't see the merits on that stuff alone, then you've got a bigger issue than trying to figure out what shape the earth is, or if your computer is trying to trick you.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If the earth really flat, then what is on the edge of it?

« on: December 22, 2015, 05:19:52 PM »

Even if they never returned, we would at least know who tried and failed...

Spectacular point actually. Simple, but extremely valid. WHO has tried and failed? WHO has vanished? NOBODY has ever left a record of their trip plans, told a friend at a bar they were going to the edge of the earth, or tweeted a picture of themselves with the hashtag #Quest4TheEdge?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why earth is flat

« on: December 22, 2015, 05:16:09 PM »

Who does that serve? What's the basis for this presumption that we are being mislead to believe the earth is round for hundreds of years?

This is a huge question that begs a legitimate and plausible answer in order for the flat-earth idea to hold any water at all, yet nobody's been able to give me anything more substantial than "Control."

Nobody can demonstrate to me the profit/benefit for keeping such a secret and perpetuating such a lie- not to mention that they would be having to spend more and more time/money/effort to KEEP this secret in the face of blossoming technology that allows any dingus with a few hundred bucks to launch a high-altitude balloon and take pictures on their own. At some point, especially now- or at least very, very soon, there's a point of diminishing returns which nobody seems to be thinking about either.

The MOST credible thing I can think of is that Rand McNally is behind it all, so they can keep selling globes to school children. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Scope of Conspiracy Seems Implausible

« on: December 22, 2015, 05:04:02 PM »

The Scope of Conspiracy Seems Implausible" because it would have to include just about every person on the earth.

How is that a problem???

Then....it ceases to be a conspiracy, and starts to become the entire world trying to play a trick on a few dozen people on an internet forum.

Damn. You got us.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Scope of Conspiracy Seems Implausible

« on: December 21, 2015, 04:21:35 AM »

As a round-earther here, I'm not debating a flat-earth idea, I'm debating a collective of varied ideas, each seems to rely on another one to say 'that isn't valid' whenever I get close to unraveling it.

There's nothing to "unravel". There are plenty of good books on the subject (many of which can be found in our Library), not to mention the wiki. It's not our fault that you fail to differentiate obvious trolls from serious posters. If anything, it reflects poorly on you.

Fascinating how 'your' trolls are shrugged off and kept around for shits and giggles apparently. Either that, or they're kept around as patsies for when someone gets close to shoveling through the drek that some of you consider science.

Dissenting opinion, however, religiously gets handed the often unfair moniker of 'troll' and gets run roughshod over.

Your stone-throwing is amazing.

You talk about reflection, yet have no idea what your backpedaling, personal attacks, and self-admitted trolling does for your very own community.

That, is even more amazing.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Scope of Conspiracy Seems Implausible

« on: December 18, 2015, 05:37:41 PM »

Your very own Sandokhan is responsible for this tidbit of information.

There's your problem. Nobody takes sandokhan seriously, but you chose to.

I don't particularly take him seriously, but enough of your own community seem to:

Answer me this without a dissertation and 38 links back to your own forum. Use plain English and don't go off on a tangent...

You must be new around here... Sandokhan/levee offers the very best proofs in the business and you will get all of them, every time, regardless how loosely related they may be.

The fractured nature of your entire community is starting to lead me to believe this entire thing is a sham. I debate a member and get told 'he's the best.' I refer to the same member in another thread and get told 'he's crazy.'

Aside from the vast, unsubstantiated assumptions made by the entire flat-earth theory, there is no unity behind any of the 'logic' or 'science.' As a round-earther here, I'm not debating a flat-earth idea, I'm debating a collective of varied ideas, each seems to rely on another one to say 'that isn't valid' whenever I get close to unraveling it.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do any flat earthers take me seriously?

« on: December 10, 2015, 08:06:08 PM »

Again, I am asking FLAT EARTHERS, not SHILLS!

Look ace, if your own camp doesn't lend you any credibility or take you seriously, you probably don't have a lot of cause to be name-calling the opposition.

It looks desperate.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do any flat earthers take me seriously?

« on: December 09, 2015, 03:58:47 PM »

Indictorinated

.....no.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Space Tourism

« on: December 02, 2015, 11:41:03 PM »

This has been one of my main points since I joined here. Privatized space flights post a drastic risk to the conspiracy that is supposedly hiding the shape of the earth.

It started to look grim for the theory when the average jerk with a few hundred bucks could launch high-altitude balloons and take photographs of the earth, and the wheels come completely off when privatized space tourism became a thing.

To argue that everyone involved in space tourism and privatized space flights are 'in on it' is admitting to a scope of a conspiracy that is way too big to be believable, simply for the sheer number of people involved.

One of the points of the flat earth argument is that space flight is actually impossible- therefore, you'd be adding thousands of people to a conspiracy- Human nature would see a chink in the armor....a leak from a reputable source which would blow the lid off the whole gag.

Or at the very least, if they weren't included, these private flights would be mysteriously shut down, illegalized, or pushed to failure for one reason or another.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why hasn't the government said anything?

« on: November 29, 2015, 02:05:04 PM »

Why would they say anything?  By drawing attention to it on a regular basis, it causes interest in the subject and that would be bad for them.  Every so often, they let out something about it, but it is always about mocking the flat earth.  The truth is the billions of dollars the government has spent on NASA each year, along with other government "scientific" groups indicates quite a reason for ignoring the flat earth theory. 

Sometimes Hollywood gives us an example of this very thing.  Subliminally, they insert flat earth theory in their movies but it is always science fiction based.  Whether it is "Under the Dome" TV show, or Dark City or the Signal.  Hollywood is releasing a new movie called "moonwalkers" which is a comedic interpretation to the conspiracy theory that the moon landing was not possible, so they tried to hire Stanley Kubrick to direct the Apollo 11 landing.  This is Hollywood taking a more recent conspiracy theory and applying it soon after to a feature film.  The fact that it is a comedy seems to be an attempt to discredit the idea.  A more serious film was Capricorn One, but was about a Mars mission that was impossible, so it was faked.

"faked" and "impossible" are thrown around a lot in this forum, very usually without concrete support.
You realize that the conspiracy you people are supporting is supposed to predate the organizations you're saying is responsible for its being kept a secret right?

The entertainment industry in Hollywood is in on it too? If the evidence is your cited film list, I've got news for you brother, they've also made movies depicting talking cats, a vagina with teeth, and a tire that bounces around killing people. What other sorts of things do you believe based on some of the things the entertainment industry is responsible for producing?

The idea that a secret of this magnitude exists on an international political level is virtually insane. The major global powers of the world can't agree on the time of day much less to keep a secret this size. What would it take for Russia or China to come out and say "Hey Americans, your leaders have been lying to you, the earth is flat- here's the evidence!" in an effort to destabilize things- as a revelation of this size would.

The assertion that the governments of the world can conspire across elections, political upheavals, revolutions, and time puts a faith in them that they simply don't deserve.

No, the government doesn't say anything for the simple fact that the conspiracy isn't something that actually exists.