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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: J-Man on November 27, 2020, 11:57:28 PM
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The first shot could make you felling ill, than 3 weeks later the 2nd I've heard could take you out from work for a day...Really Mr. Gates/WHO? I think I'll pass the extermination. Effects could come into play 3-5 years later? Do your homework.
"But for the current coronavirus vaccines, which require two injections spaced either three or four weeks apart, she anticipates clinicians having to make many more than two visits to facilities." "They worry that the first vaccine may make people feel just sick enough that they won’t want to go through the ordeal again."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/two-shots-covid-vaccine/2020/11/27/b852a19a-2f24-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html
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"Coronavirus vaccine subject claims temporary painful side effects"
Man I don't trust this guy, what the hell they giving peeps. This is the bio-Flu.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/dr-siegel-reported-covid-vaccine-side-effects-are-transient-compared-to-severe-virus-symptoms
"Siegel added that the COVID-19 vaccines indeed have stronger side effects than the annual flu shot, but reiterated that they remain temporary."
"The man claimed to have watched his arms swell to the size of a "goose egg," but was himself unsure whether he was in the placebo or vaccine group."
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The bio-flu man. It’s like, coming to get you!
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"Coronavirus vaccine subject claims temporary painful side effects"
Man I don't trust this guy, what the hell they giving peeps. This is the bio-Flu.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/dr-siegel-reported-covid-vaccine-side-effects-are-transient-compared-to-severe-virus-symptoms
"Siegel added that the COVID-19 vaccines indeed have stronger side effects than the annual flu shot, but reiterated that they remain temporary."
"The man claimed to have watched his arms swell to the size of a "goose egg," but was himself unsure whether he was in the placebo or vaccine group."
It's not the flu. My coworker got it and was bedridden for just over two weeks. He was one of the first to report loss of taste and smell as a symptom, he still hasnt fully recovered them. Luckily lung and heart function returned more or less back to normal so he'll be able to keep working.
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Yikes. I hope President Trump stops promoting this disgusting poison, he keeps raving about them and encouraging people to get them. I wonder if he's in on it?
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https://www.wionews.com/world/four-trial-volunteers-who-got-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-developed-bells-palsy-348547
Four trial volunteers who got Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine developed Bell's palsy
Don't be half sad all the time....
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Are you bothered at all by Trump's promotion of the vaccines? And his assertions that they're safe and we should all take them?
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Are you bothered at all by Trump's promotion of the vaccines? And his assertions that they're safe and we should all take them?
No, the idiots that will take it, no way can afford any Trump property. He'll be fine and so will I.
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Are you bothered at all by Trump's promotion of the vaccines? And his assertions that they're safe and we should all take them?
No, the idiots that will take it, no way can afford any Trump property. He'll be fine and so will I.
So you think people who trust Trump are idiots?
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https://www.wionews.com/world/four-trial-volunteers-who-got-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-developed-bells-palsy-348547
Four trial volunteers who got Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine developed Bell's palsy
Don't be half sad all the time....
4 out of nearly 22,000 - consistent with the frequency of people who get it anyway.
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Are you bothered at all by Trump's promotion of the vaccines? And his assertions that they're safe and we should all take them?
No, the idiots that will take it, no way can afford any Trump property. He'll be fine and so will I.
I don’t think you understand my point. You don’t think it’s bad for the President of the United States to push a vaccine that’s giving people awful medical conditions? And tell people it’s safe?
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I don’t think you understand my point. You don’t think it’s bad for the President of the United States to push a vaccine that’s giving people awful medical conditions? And tell people it’s safe?
Yes, that would be bad.
But that isn’t what is happening.
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Why arent all the republicans who have contracted covid recently being treated with hydroxychloroquine?
I'll sign up for a vaccine as soon as it's made available to me. They are built on years or scientific progress. Not scared.
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Why arent all the republicans who have contracted covid recently being treated with hydroxychloroquine?
I'll sign up for a vaccine as soon as it's made available to me. They are built on years or scientific progress. Not scared.
Seriously. People act like this is still the 1950s with regards to medicine. This vaccine is years in the making. Covid-19 is not a "new" virus. It just happens to be a differing form which has some more serious side affects and is easily transmitted. I'm glad for all these antivaxers. Makes the immunization that much easier for me to obtain.
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Yes, that would be bad.
But that isn’t what is happening.
Well yeah. But J-Man thinks it is, and I'm curious how he reconciles his belief that this vaccine is extremely dangerous with the fact that Trump is touting it and telling people to take it and that it's safe. It sounds like, according to him, Trump is openly telling people to inject themselves with an incredibly dangerous substance and lying to them by saying it's safe.
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Yes, that would be bad.
But that isn’t what is happening.
Well yeah. But J-Man thinks it is, and I'm curious how he reconciles his belief that this vaccine is extremely dangerous with the fact that Trump is touting it and telling people to take it and that it's safe. It sounds like, according to him, Trump is openly telling people to inject themselves with an incredibly dangerous substance and lying to them by saying it's safe.
Oh I see.
Sorry, I misunderstood you.
Yes, that is interesting.
In J-Man’s world Trump is God’s gift, literally.
But also vaccines are poison.
But Trump is promoting the vaccine.
Yes, that is quite the conundrum.
I suspect he’ll reconcile that in his head by not thinking about it.
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He already said people who listen to Trump are idiots.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/12/10/945137222/newly-sworn-in-n-h-gop-house-speaker-dies-of-covid-19-autopsy-shows
I know it's the NH house but still... this the first time someone in politics has died in the US?
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What, ever?
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What, ever?
I mean of covid
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What, ever?
I mean of covid
Not at all.
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Herman Cain, Republican Presidential nominee, died of coronavirus and his automated Twitter account was still sending Tweets that it was all a hoax days after he was dead.
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Ah, ok then.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Ol4kmh2.jpg)
Fred Durst has a plan for us.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Vm5hQ7y.jpg)
Fred Durst's plan > Ted Cruz's plan
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(https://i.imgur.com/Vm5hQ7y.jpg)
Fred Durst's plan > Ted Cruz's plan
Great, it was developed in a country with (shudder) socialized medicine. There's no way it's any good.
I'll wait till some fine Americans with an actual desire to put out a great product thanks to our unassailably perfect capitalist society comes out with a vaccine before I take it, thankyouverymuch.
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How does Ted Cruz still hold public office?
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How does Ted Cruz still hold public office?
Texas votes Trump in, they certainly wouldn’t have a problem voting for Cruz.
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Yeah but trump at least has a persona, something to fall for. Ted Cruz is: an idiot; spineless; careless enough to publicly comment on a pornhub video... is it just that hes an egregious ass kisser despite his personal history with Donnie?
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Take your shots dogs. We're going to kill you, per Gates.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/watch-nurse-passes-live-television-taking-coronavirus-vaccine/
WATCH: Nurse Passes Out on Live Television After Taking Coronavirus Vaccine
LMAO
Nurse wakes up, oh I'm fine now..lol No ur not, you're now sterile, have bells palsy, your immune system doesn't work and will die in 5 yrs. Dumb A**
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Lamo cause no one, ever, anywhere, has ever fainted after a needle.
The number of times I've been at a blood donor clinic and seen someone faint before the needle even goes in.... well it's like 4 or 5. Four or five times I've seen that.
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Lamo cause no one, ever, anywhere, has ever fainted after a needle.
The number of times I've been at a blood donor clinic and seen someone faint before the needle even goes in.... well it's like 4 or 5. Four or five times I've seen that.
He believes Trump won the election. You will excuse his lack of critical thinking.
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Just so were clear, the facts are in. As I said fake flu. No more people died this year than last year or previous years. They will now die at alarming rates due to Gates extermination shot for everyone.
Covid 19 wiped out deaths in all forms, they just don't happen anymore :)
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
Merry Christmas. Trump won by a landslide.
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Take your shots dogs. We're going to kill you, per Gates.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/watch-nurse-passes-live-television-taking-coronavirus-vaccine/
WATCH: Nurse Passes Out on Live Television After Taking Coronavirus Vaccine
LMAO
Nurse wakes up, oh I'm fine now..lol No ur not, you're now sterile, have bells palsy, your immune system doesn't work and will die in 5 yrs. Dumb A**
This screams movie villian logic.
"If I kill everyone in the world but my chosen 100, I can be a god!"
"Wait... What do you mean we can't support humanity on 100 people?"
"How does it take a dozen of you to farm one land's worth of crops?!"
"Why are the lights off? Is no one at the power station?"
Etc....
Seriously, this was the plot of Resident Evil. Have everyone die and become a zombie while the shareholders ride it out and live in a world without people.
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Just so were clear, the facts are in. As I said fake flu. No more people died this year than last year or previous years. They will now die at alarming rates due to Gates extermination shot for everyone.
Covid 19 wiped out deaths in all forms, they just don't happen anymore :)
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
Merry Christmas. Trump won by a landslide.
Apparently you decided to see only what you wanted:
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Just so were clear, the facts are in. As I said fake flu. No more people died this year than last year or previous years. They will now die at alarming rates due to Gates extermination shot for everyone.
Covid 19 wiped out deaths in all forms, they just don't happen anymore :)
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
Merry Christmas. Trump won by a landslide.
Wow, you'll fall for anything...
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020/fact-check-chart-does-not-present-accurate-us-deaths-figure-for-2020-idUSKBN2872MV
Notice the banner at the top of the page you cited...
NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.
But, I really want to understand. You genuinely believe the hospitals are not being swamped? You don't believe the ICUs are at capacity? You think there are 'crisis actors' posted at hospital waiting rooms to perpetuate this hoax?
You don't have any friends that have been hospitalized or killed by this? Don't you have any friends in the medical industry that will tell you the truth? Don't you have any friends that are doctors or nurses that you can trust? Don't you have any friends that... oh wait... now I get it.
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"A record 621 people died of drug overdoses in San Francisco so far this year, a staggering number that far outpaces the 173 deaths from COVID-19 the city has seen thus far."
Covid is a nothing burger.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/overdose-deaths-far-outpace-covid-19-deaths-liberal-utopia-san-francisco/
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Imagine my surprise that Jman doesn’t pause to acknowledge the careless and absurd things he posts.
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Nothing burger that has caused well over 300,000 deaths in the States.
Its 'just a flu'... that has caused numerous professional athletes in their prime to be sidelined for several weeks, with lingering effects lasting much longer
(https://i.imgur.com/fISErFj.jpg)
There are NFL players who caught it before the season and have still been unable to step on the field...
And it's people like you who are unwilling to take any of this seriously that are increasing the length of time that strict lockdown measures are required... so thanks for that!
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"A record 621 people died of drug overdoses in San Francisco so far this year, a staggering number that far outpaces the 173 deaths from COVID-19 the city has seen thus far."
Covid is a nothing burger.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/overdose-deaths-far-outpace-covid-19-deaths-liberal-utopia-san-francisco/
It’s a Democrat stronghold and Dems are more likely to follow health guidelines so they die less. South Dakota has the highest COVID death rate in the world.
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"A record 621 people died of drug overdoses in San Francisco so far this year, a staggering number that far outpaces the 173 deaths from COVID-19 the city has seen thus far."
Covid is a nothing burger.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/overdose-deaths-far-outpace-covid-19-deaths-liberal-utopia-san-francisco/
This is because San Francisco (and the 7 counties that make up the Bay Area) was the gold standard for Covid prevention until Thanksgiving rolled around. SF went into lockdown a week before even NYC did back in March and has had very rigid lockdown & Social protocols ever since. Conversely, SF has a tremendous Opioid problem.
If you look at the State of California as a whole, for the year 2018, there were 5,348 overdose deaths (most recent data I could find). Covid, so far in California from February to now, there have been 22,653 deaths. For the year 2019, California had 2,900 Flu deaths.
Do the math.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/12/21/948744901/here-is-whats-in-congress-covid-19-relief-package
This does not sound terrible.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deadliest-us-year-2020-mainly-due-to-covid-19/
Turns out, 2020 is actually a pretty bad year in terms of deaths.
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Covid-19 isn't real.
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What a POS. And yet GOP base will look past the fact that he is the definition of wealthy elite, rushing to the front of the line to get his vaccine...
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He's not totally wrong.
Alot of people in general don't know what's good for them. They hold up in tradition or habits and call it freedom. We had a huge backlash against seatbelt usage for God's sake. And smoking. And drinking. And drugs.
Humans suck at knowing what's actually good for them.
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He's not totally wrong.
Alot of people in general don't know what's good for them. They hold up in tradition or habits and call it freedom. We had a huge backlash against seatbelt usage for God's sake. And smoking. And drinking. And drugs.
Humans suck at knowing what's actually good for them.
And governments know what is good for people?
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.
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He's not totally wrong.
Alot of people in general don't know what's good for them. They hold up in tradition or habits and call it freedom. We had a huge backlash against seatbelt usage for God's sake. And smoking. And drinking. And drugs.
Humans suck at knowing what's actually good for them.
And governments know what is good for people?
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.
Good thing there is data to support the vaccine.
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Good thing there is data to support the vaccine.
Jesus Christ. I wouldn't trust any data given to me by a government dead set on treating me like a farm animal. Deciding what vaccinations I should have, what anti-biotics, what vitamins I should take and how often I should be wormed! >o<
A government has no business telling me what medication I should be on. And their data is contrived to give any result they chose to deliver.
And I absolutely cannot get an answer to the question ... as a healthy individual, why do I need to be vaccinated against a disease that won't harm me? Without an answer to this very reasonable question ... I'm not taking it.
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Good thing there is data to support the vaccine.
Jesus Christ. I wouldn't trust any data given to me by a government dead set on treating me like a farm animal. Deciding what vaccinations I should have, what anti-biotics, what vitamins I should take and how often I should be wormed! >o<
A government has no business telling me what medication I should be on. And their data is contrived to give any result they chose to deliver.
And I absolutely cannot get an answer to the question ... as a healthy individual, why do I need to be vaccinated against a disease that won't harm me? Without an answer to this very reasonable question ... I'm not taking it.
So that your sorry ass doesn't infect other people every time you open your mouth to spit angry ranting nonsense at them.
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Good thing there is data to support the vaccine.
Jesus Christ. I wouldn't trust any data given to me by a government dead set on treating me like a farm animal. Deciding what vaccinations I should have, what anti-biotics, what vitamins I should take and how often I should be wormed! >o<
A government has no business telling me what medication I should be on. And their data is contrived to give any result they chose to deliver.
And I absolutely cannot get an answer to the question ... as a healthy individual, why do I need to be vaccinated against a disease that won't harm me? Without an answer to this very reasonable question ... I'm not taking it.
So that your sorry ass doesn't infect other people every time you open your mouth to spit angry ranting nonsense at them.
How do I infect other people if they have been vaccinated, Einstein?
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How do I infect other people if they have been vaccinated, Einstein?
Not all people can be vaccinated, due to medical circumstances. This isn't exactly a new issue.
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How do I infect other people if they have been vaccinated, Einstein?
Not all people can be vaccinated, due to medical circumstances. This isn't exactly a new issue.
If I get Coronavirus OriginalTM I'm going to end up self isolating anyway. And then I will be immune.
These very very few edge cases ... and please ... show me an example because I've seen 2 people get an allergic reaction and both were fine ... but those people, are going to be hiding away for the rest of forever anyway. They haven't got long left if something as benign as covid is going to take them.
I saw the bizarre scene of Germany displaying to the world its first vaccine application ... to a 101 year old woman.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20201226-in-germany-101-year-old-woman-first-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine
Are we immortals? You just keep going and going and going no matter how old, how much of a burden and how expensive you are becoming to keep running. The Eskimos take grandma out and drop her into the icy sea once she eats more than she outputs in warm knitted jumpers. In fact it is common in many cultures. This idea we'll keep you alive forever in the West is just sick. To kill your economy to save a 101 year old coffin dodger ... utterly backward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senicide
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If I get Coronavirus OriginalTM I'm going to end up self isolating anyway. And then I will be immune.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works, and it's not how any of this has ever worked. We figured out how to handle immunisation centuries ago, and your failure to read up on it is unlikely to change anyone's mind.
EDIT: I originally called Thork stupid in this post. It has been edited to only strongly imply it.
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If I get Coronavirus OriginalTM I'm going to end up self isolating anyway. And then I will be immune.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works, and it's not how any of this has ever worked. We figured out how to handle immunisation centuries ago, and the fact that you're too stupid to read up on it is unlikely to change anyone's mind.
No, you are being lied to. They are spouting shit about herd immunity and eradicating coronavirus. Covid-19 jumps species! It lives in wild animals and also domestic cats and dogs! (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html) You cannot eradicate it. It will just keep coming back. And regardless of whether I get it once or not, animals are going to keep bringing it back so that that 1:100,000 strawman you mentioned earlier will get it and die. You can no more prevent people getting coronavirus than you can prevent them getting flu. Think of it exactly like flu. Are you killing people because you didn't get your annual shot this year? Don't call me stupid when you are having trouble with very simple logic problems.
They can't 'control the virus'. It is stupid government spin like a war on terror or battling climate change. Unwinnable wars against unseen enemies.
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Imagine my shock
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If they won't back their products with their money ... why would you back them with your health?
They have literally done the maths and decided it would be too expensive to compensate all the people they are going to hurt with these drugs. I'll get natural covid, thank you very much.
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No, you are being lied to. They are spouting shit about herd immunity and eradicating coronavirus.
Nobody serious is claiming COVID-19 will be eradicated. As per your usual form, you are arguing against a position that doesn't exist, because you haven't bothered with the arguments that do exist.
And regardless of whether I get it once or not, animals are going to keep bringing it back so that that 1:100,000 strawman you mentioned earlier will get it and die.
That's not quite how probability works. Yes, you personally taking the vaccine will not stop all elderly ladies from catching it. It will just reduce the risk for the drunk elderly ladies you pick up at the pub. Oh, and it will help pubs re-open sooner, so you can get back to doing that.
You can no more prevent people getting coronavirus than you can prevent them getting flu. Think of it exactly like flu. Are you killing people because you didn't get your annual shot this year?
I did get my annual shot this year, in part because I don't fancy killing people. I work with a bunch of vulnerable individuals who I don't fancy to see dead (or even briefly bedridden) just yet, and if I can make a small contribution to that, it's worth 15 minutes of my time. The civilised world has been doing this for some 80 years, by the way.
They can't 'control the virus'. It is stupid government spin like a war on terror or battling climate change. Unwinnable wars against unseen enemies.
Ah, there's your problem. You've been listening to Tories again. Look, nobody is defending them here. Basic epidemiology has nothing to do with the government's idiotic agenda (and yes, we happen to agree on that minor point).
I'll get natural covid, thank you very much.
Nah, it's pretty obvious you're gonna take the vax as soon as it becomes available to you. The lady doth protest too much, etc.
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Nah, it's pretty obvious you're gonna take the vax as soon as it becomes available to you. The lady doth protest too much, etc.
The company I work for was offering free flu shots. Not because they are nice. Because they don't want us having paid sick days off work. They literally couldn't give them away. Common consensus was ... I'll just get natural flu, thank you very much. I did not queue up like a porcine asset so that my corporate farmers could medicate me.
That's not quite how probability works. Yes, you personally taking the vaccine will not stop all elderly ladies from catching it. It will just reduce the risk for the drunk elderly ladies you pick up at the pub. Oh, and it will help pubs re-open sooner, so you can get back to doing that.
If THEY are vulnerable, THEY should take the vaccine. What part of that are you having trouble with? I shouldn't be in contact with anyone who is either unable to fight off Covid (99.9% of people) or vulnerable people who went and got the vaccine (everyone else). There is no one for me to kill.
I did get my annual shot this year, in part because I don't fancy killing people.
You are such a virtue-signalling douchebag. I'll bet you walked around with your sleeve rolled up so everyone could see your plaster. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You are likely going to kill more people than you save. https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/
Its like taking penicillins when you don't need them. It's the same deal and all because you don't want a sniffle and you want to brag to Ethel about how you saved her life at 11am this morning.
I work with a bunch of vulnerable individuals
How did you circumvent the CRB check?
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They literally couldn't give them away.
Nice lie, buddy. You took the vaccine like the good corporate shill you are. :)
If THEY are vulnerable, THEY should take the vaccine.
They can't.
What part of that are you having trouble with?
I am having no trouble at all. You simply failed to read what's being said. Again.
You are such a virtue-signalling douchebag. I'll bet you walked around with your sleeve rolled up so everyone could see your plaster.
Plaster? My, oh my. You really [are pretending that you] haven't interacted with modern medicine recently!
How did you circumvent the CRB check?
It's called a DBS check these days. This whole "I am in the 1970s >o<" schtick really isn't working out for you. I miss the days when you made arguments.
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thork would push an 80 year old woman out of the way to get a shot if it meant he could go back to sniffing young women at the pub like joe biden
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If THEY are vulnerable, THEY should take the vaccine.
They can't.
Who can't? The sexy 97 year old woman who is trying to breakdance next to her handbag in my local pub? There is no one out and about who can't either brush off covid-19 no problem or take the vaccine. Who are you talking about who can't? Give me a number. How many people in my town can't take the vaccine?
What part of that are you having trouble with?
I am having no trouble at all. You simply failed to read what's being said. Again.
You have made up a fantasy 97 year old woman who wants to drink in my pub who happens to be allergic to the vaccine. This is not a person who exists. It is like demanding all the doors in the UK are changed in case someone over 6'6" hits their head. No ... those rare souls need to take their OWN precautions. Not expect everyone else to.
You are such a virtue-signalling douchebag. I'll bet you walked around with your sleeve rolled up so everyone could see your plaster.
Plaster? My, oh my. You really [are pretending that you] haven't interacted with modern medicine recently!
I have literally no idea what you are talking about. Did the nurse lick your wound clean instead?
How did you circumvent the CRB check?
It's called a DBS check these days. This whole "I am in the 1970s >o<" schtick really isn't working out for you. I miss the days when you made arguments.
I don't need a check because I don't make a habit of pestering vulnerable people. Also, in an earlier thread you were a cyber security expert.
With due respect, you're not a security expert, unlike many of the people involved in the project. This, by the way, is why we generally teach people not to reinvent the wheel when it comes to security.
Who is this 'we' business? We includes you. If you aren't security expert ... why are you teaching people cyber security?
Now you change nappies in an old people's home? Do you just have any job that happens to fit the thread? I'm getting the whole "I'm a fighter pilot and from my F16 I saw the curvature of the earth at 60,000 feet" vibe from you. ::)
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allergic to the vaccine
You keep saying that. Perhaps you should find out why some people can't be vaccinated, instead of assuming allergy? Knowledge is power, Thork. You like power, don't you? >o<
I have literally no idea what you are talking about.
Don't worry, you'll find out soon during your COVID jab, since you missed it during your annual flu jab. No wounds to lick or plaster over with modern intramuscular vaccines. You shouldn't expect bleeding (though, of course, it may still occur in rare cases).
Also, in an earlier thread you were a cyber security expert.
I didn't, and I'm not. I happen to do some teaching at university level as a side job, but that hardly makes me an expert on cybersecurity. I'm pretty good at synthesising content in a way that students can process easily, but that's an entirely separate skill. Of course, what you're referring here to is me saying that xasop isn't a cybersecurity expert. Once again, your failure to read what's being said becomes apparent. :)
If you aren't security expert ... why are you teaching people cyber security?
Because I'm a qualified educator with a strong background in cybersecurity. Which part of this eludes you?
Now you change nappies in an old people's home?
lol, you really have a poor understanding of the reasons some people can't be vaccinated and may need to rely on others' herd immunity. It's a shame, you're a few decades behind common knowledge - I wouldn't think you'd admit to it so readily. I'll let you do your own Googling on that, but if you get lost, please give me a shout. I'm happy to help.
Do you just have any job that happens to fit the thread?
I'm an immigrant from the EU. Stealing jobs from illiterate patriotic Britons just happens to be my specialty. I do, in fact, have all the jobs.
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For a qualified educator, you are terrible at just answering a straight question.
How many people can't be vaccinated who need to be and that I might realistically meet? It isn't a complicated question. It is a question you must know the answer to in order to be so sure that you should take unlicensed medication that you don't need. Whose life are you saving? That's the argument you keep making. About saving other people like a proper little martyr. Who? Who are you saving by lining up to feel Pfizer's corporate muck flowing through your veins?
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For a qualified educator, you are terrible at just answering a straight question.
Thanks! At undergraduate level, we don't expect to just sit there and tell people what to think. We elicit them to learn by themselves, and help guide their learning when needed. Direct tutoring is reserved for remedial students, of which you are obviously not one - you're just pretending to be edgy on the Internet. :)
to be so sure that you should take unlicensed medication that you don't need
Unlicensed? Thork, I thought you tried to protect me from liars, and yet here you are, lying to my face. How shocking!
How many people can't be vaccinated who need to be and that I might realistically meet?
Awww, you still haven't Googled it. How unfortunate for you!
to feel Pfizer's corporate muck flowing through your veins?
My veins? How unprofessional! I already told you it was an intramuscular vaccine. How can we take the views of someone who doesn't know the difference between muscles and veins seriously? This is high school stuff.
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to be so sure that you should take unlicensed medication that you don't need
Unlicensed? Thork, I thought you tried to protect me from liars, and yet here you are, lying to my face. How shocking!
You've no idea about these vaccines, have you?
We'll park it there. You don't even know the very basics of this conversation.
https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/pharmacists-can-give-unlicensed-covid-vaccine-after-law-change
The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.
The Department of Health and Social Care has confirmed the company has been given an indemnity protecting it from legal action as a result of any problems with the vaccine.
Ministers have also changed the law in recent weeks to give new protections to companies such as Pfizer, giving them immunity from being sued by patients in the event of any complications.
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The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was authorised by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency on Tuesday under regulation 174 of the Human Medicine Regulations 2012 which allows an unlicensed medication to be used in an emergency such as a pandemic.
It also has the effect of granting civil immunity to Pfizer after the government changed the regulations following a short three-week consultation in September.
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We'll park it there. You don't even know the very basics of this conversation.
You know very well that this won't work. Go do your reading, you know what subjects to brush up on. You may yet catch up with civilisation :)
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No, that's what I write when I give up. My biggest objection is that these companies won't stand behind their own products and don't have to because they are unlicensed ... and you haven't a clue what I'm talking about. Its like trying to talk about astrophysics to a dog. I can go into detail and start offering diagrams and explanations, but you're just going to sit there licking your balls anyway.
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I give up
Aww, no need to! The knowledge you seek is just a single search away. Just because you're far behind doesn't mean you can't pull ahead. I believe in you! >o<
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WHO Chief Scientist says they have no evidence that the vaccine prevents viral transmission.
Listen to the circus clown say it herself:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/who-chief-scientist-warns-no-evidence-covid-vaccine-prevents-viral-transmission
(https://i.imgur.com/08GIV3X.png)
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Holy shit ... it begins. :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55471282
Absolutely disgusting. General Franco has returned to Spain.
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Holy shit ... it begins. :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55471282
Absolutely disgusting. General Franco has returned to Spain.
Imagine wanting to take steps to control this pandemic, what fascists. >o<
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WHO Chief Scientist says they have no evidence that the vaccine prevents viral transmission.
What's your point? We do have strong evidence it prevents the disease. Vaccinated people are much less likely to become ill and die. It's unknown yet if it's effective to prevent asymptomatic transmission. If it's effective, it will be easier to stop the virus from spreading and lift constraints. It it's not, or not as much as hoped, it will take longer, but the vaccines will still be very useful to mitigate the impact of the pandemic.
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Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.
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https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/dec/30/louisiana-congressman-elect-luke-letlow-dies-from-/
He's about your age, right Thork?
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Letlow had just undergone a medical operation before he died. What makes you think it was the COVID that killed him?
https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressman-elect-luke-letlow-suffered-a-heart-attack-during-operation/
Congressman-elect Luke Letlow suffered a heart attack following operation
"Louisiana Rep.-elect Luke Letlow, who died while battling COVID-19, suffered a heart attack following a procedure, a hospital official said.
The 41-year-old was receiving treatment in the intensive care unit at Ochsner LSU Health in Shreveport when he died Tuesday, the Monroe News-Star reported."
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Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.
Well. If people don't have symptoms, but can transmit the disease, it is asymptomatic transmission. Is it that hard to understand?
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Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.
Well. If people don't have symptoms, but can transmit the disease, it is asymptomatic transmission. Is it that hard to understand?
She didn't say anything about asymptomatic transmission. You did. Stop fibbing. Thank you.
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Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.
Well. If people don't have symptoms, but can transmit the disease, it is asymptomatic transmission. Is it that hard to understand?
She didn't say anything about asymptomatic transmission. You did. Stop fibbing. Thank you.
I know you struggle thinking things through sometimes, but if you have a vaccine that reduces the occurence of symptoms, and those symptoms increase the transmissability of the virus, then the virus would necessarily decrease the transmissability of the virus from symptomatic hosts. This also means that it doesn't say much about non-symptomatic cases. So perhaps instead of calling people liars, you should think for yourself once in a while.
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Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.
Well. If people don't have symptoms, but can transmit the disease, it is asymptomatic transmission. Is it that hard to understand?
She didn't say anything about asymptomatic transmission. You did. Stop fibbing. Thank you.
I know you struggle thinking things through sometimes, but if you have a vaccine that reduces the occurence of symptoms, and those symptoms increase the transmissability of the virus, then the virus would necessarily decrease the transmissability of the virus from symptomatic hosts. This also means that it doesn't say much about non-symptomatic cases. So perhaps instead of calling people liars, you should think for yourself once in a while.
Can you point out where she said anything like that?
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Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.
Well. If people don't have symptoms, but can transmit the disease, it is asymptomatic transmission. Is it that hard to understand?
Also contact transmission is a thing.
Like touching a contaminated surface then touching someone who then touches their face.
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Can you point out where she said anything like that?
It's a 13 second video, surely you aren't that dense.
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Can you point out where she said anything like that?
It's a 13 second video, surely you aren't that dense.
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to quote it.
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Can you point out where she said anything like that?
It's a 13 second video, surely you aren't that dense.
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to quote it.
It isn’t.
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Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.
Well. If people don't have symptoms, but can transmit the disease, it is asymptomatic transmission. Is it that hard to understand?
She didn't say anything about asymptomatic transmission. You did. Stop fibbing. Thank you.
Where did I say she said these exact words? I'm just trying to explain why, while we do know vaccines are effective against the disease, we don't know yet how effective they are against the transmission of the disease. That's not a bombshell: that's something pretty much everyone somewhat familiar with the subject knows. All it means is that people who got vaccinated shouldn't grab that "free hugs" sign yet, and they should still wear a face mask. At least until we get more data on that point.
Stop accusing me of things I haven't done. Thank you.
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Take your shots dogs. We're going to kill you, per Gates.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/watch-nurse-passes-live-television-taking-coronavirus-vaccine/
WATCH: Nurse Passes Out on Live Television After Taking Coronavirus Vaccine
LMAO
Nurse wakes up, oh I'm fine now..lol No ur not, you're now sterile, have bells palsy, your immune system doesn't work and will die in 5 yrs. Dumb A**
God what a scary place it must be to live in your head. Do you make this shit up or hear it from hanity?
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https://news.avclub.com/dr-drew-diagnosed-with-covid-19-1845971294
Well what do you know, professional medical hack and Covid-denier Dr Drew Pinsky got Covid. Is anybody surprised?
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EDIT: I originally called Thork myself stupid in this post. It has been edited to only strongly imply it.
I am under the impression that all of those persons having anything positive to write about this vaccine (i.e., pushing for mandatory vaxxes, how safe and effective it is) should now be rethinking their feeble attempts to denigrate those that were speaking out against the vaccine. You cannot vaccinate against respiratory illness. It is a fool's errand.
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You cannot vaccinate against respiratory illness. It is a fool's errand.
Sure you can. The flu vaccine is effective, as is the COVID-19 vaccine. It significantly reduces the likelihood of an individual contracting the disease, reduces the severity of the symptoms if they do, and limits exposure of the wider population. You shouldn't have to have one (I'm not a fan of forcing people to do stuff in general), but I don't think the fearmongering is helpful either.
The only way I can think of to argue otherwise would be to present this as a binary - either the vaccine entirely eradicates a disease, with no traces of it ever found again, or it doesn't. But that's very reductive and kinda pointless.
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My only regret is not being wrong about the Great Reset and how billions were gonna die. Its a sad day when people who can prove we're all gonna die are wrong.
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You cannot vaccinate against respiratory illness. It is a fool's errand.
Sure you can. The flu vaccine is effective, as is the COVID-19 vaccine. It significantly reduces the likelihood of an individual contracting the disease, reduces the severity of the symptoms if they do, and limits exposure of the wider population. You shouldn't have to have one (I'm not a fan of forcing people to do stuff in general), but I don't think the fearmongering is helpful either.
The only way I can think of to argue otherwise would be to present this as a binary - either the vaccine entirely eradicates a disease, with no traces of it ever found again, or it doesn't. But that's very reductive and kinda pointless.
I see the issue has relegated to the necessity of redefining the word vaccine.
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I see the issue has relegated to the necessity of redefining the word vaccine.
Yes, exactly - the anti-vaxxers decided to provide their own, new definition of what a "vaccine" is, and then tried to convince others to adopt it. It worked with some, but not with most.
I just happen to think it's unproductive.
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The vaccine was a psyop to see who, when blasted with propaganda, would take the government's mandate at their word. Within a very short time period, a disease, which did not even exist, was propagandized to be highly dangerous, the most virulent disease ever, and if you don't take the vaccine you will get [long list of horrible side effects, including death].
To put it another way, the pandemic was a desert of the real. It was entirely virtual; invented by mass media. It didn't exist. It never happened at all. If you turned your television off and ignored the internet, it would be business as usual for you and anyone you know. It was the perfect test of media penetration. If we tell you something blatantly opposed to reality, how many people can we get to fall for it? As it turns out: practically every human being on the planet. What a glorious success.
Know someone who "got sick", my good golly, perhaps they even died? We already had a respiratory disease that did that, it was called the flu. It killed millions of people every year prior to 2020, but you didn't mind that too much, now did you? Not until a bunch of screens told you to mind it, that is.
tl;dr the pandemic did not take place, is not taking place, and will never take place.
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I see the issue has relegated to the necessity of redefining the word vaccine.
Yes, exactly - the anti-vaxxers decided to provide their own, new definition of what a "vaccine" is, and then tried to convince others to adopt it. It worked with some, but not with most.
I just happen to think it's unproductive.
Having advanced to over 60 years on the flat earth plane, I believe it is exactly the opposite of how you choose to frame it in your post.
I point out, for instance, the smallpox vaccine, of which I heard of no one claiming it is "safe and effective," while at the same time claiming to have subsequently and successfully contracting the disease against which they were inocculated.
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I point out, for instance, the smallpox vaccine, of which I heard of no one claiming it is "safe and effective," while at the same time claiming to have subsequently and successfully contracting the disease against which they were inocculated.
But that doesn't contradict the definition at all. Our immune system is called, well, the "immune system", but I'm sure you've been ill before - so clearly it's not actually immune to everything ever. It's a spectrum, not a binary. You can be more or less resistant to certain diseases. Vaccines bring that resistance up, to varying extents.
And, yeah, different diseases are different. Different vaccines are different. If your argument is that the COVID vaccine is not as good/bad as the smallpox vaccine, meh, sure.
But, to me, that "all or nothing" approach just doesn't work. Should we abandon safety features in cars, just because they fail to prevent all traffic accident deaths? Should we get rid of lifeguards at beaches and swimming pools? After all, people still drown when they're around.
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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2 (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2)
"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."
780,000...that is a fairly large number.
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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2 (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2)
"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."
780,000...that is a fairly large number.
780,000 people who posted whatever they wanted at anytime. Yep, totally legitimate and helpful and in no way able to be abused.
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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2 (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2)
"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."
780,000...that is a fairly large number.
780,000 people who posted whatever they wanted at anytime. Yep, totally legitimate and helpful and in no way able to be abused.
I think you fail to realize these are reports that have been screened by the CDC and have been found to be legitimate.
"Talaat says the best source of research stemming from VAERS is the CDC, because they are able to trace the records backward and verify them."
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt)
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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2 (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2)
"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."
780,000...that is a fairly large number.
780,000 people who posted whatever they wanted at anytime. Yep, totally legitimate and helpful and in no way able to be abused.
I think you fail to realize these are reports that have been screened by the CDC and have been found to be legitimate.
"Talaat says the best source of research stemming from VAERS is the CDC, because they are able to trace the records backward and verify them."
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt)
Which hasn't been done.
https://icandecide.org/v-safe-data/
Read em for yourself. The raw data (which you are referencing) has alot of "no." "None" "just got the shot" "soreness" , etc...
So its much, much less than what you wrote.
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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2 (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2)
"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."
780,000...that is a fairly large number.
780,000 people who posted whatever they wanted at anytime. Yep, totally legitimate and helpful and in no way able to be abused.
I think you fail to realize these are reports that have been screened by the CDC and have been found to be legitimate.
"Talaat says the best source of research stemming from VAERS is the CDC, because they are able to trace the records backward and verify them."
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt)
Which hasn't been done.
https://icandecide.org/v-safe-data/
Read em for yourself. The raw data (which you are referencing) has alot of "no." "None" "just got the shot" "soreness" , etc...
So its much, much less than what you wrote.
Incorrect.
The CDC has screened the VAERS.
ICAN has absolutely nothing to do with the report issued by the CDC.
You are being highly disingenuous with your posts, when there is absolutely no reason to do so except to spread deliberately false information.
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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2 (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2)
"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."
780,000...that is a fairly large number.
780,000 people who posted whatever they wanted at anytime. Yep, totally legitimate and helpful and in no way able to be abused.
I think you fail to realize these are reports that have been screened by the CDC and have been found to be legitimate.
"Talaat says the best source of research stemming from VAERS is the CDC, because they are able to trace the records backward and verify them."
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt)
Which hasn't been done.
https://icandecide.org/v-safe-data/
Read em for yourself. The raw data (which you are referencing) has alot of "no." "None" "just got the shot" "soreness" , etc...
So its much, much less than what you wrote.
Incorrect.
The CDC has screened the VAERS.
ICAN has absolutely nothing to do with the report issued by the CDC.
You are being highly disingenuous with your posts, when there is absolutely no reason to do so except to spread deliberately false information.
Then why did the link you gave us, link to it?
And why are the two excel files showing all 780,000 messages you claimed were all damaging symptoms?
Seems suspicous that the link would claim 780,000 people had damaging symptoms from a "report" but the 780,000 messages don't support 780,000 damaging symptoms.
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The V-Safe is where the data screened from VAERS (by the CDC) is presented. That had nothing to do with the VAERS reports.
At this point, the CDC has looked at 780,000 reports of injury from the coof vaxx and has confirmed they are legitimate.
The article linked by Dr. Mittal states a lawsuit needed to be filed just to get access to this data from the CDC.
Sounds like a coverup, uh?
https://meganredshaw.substack.com/p/cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=395439&post_id=143267075&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2s9pt&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email (https://meganredshaw.substack.com/p/cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=395439&post_id=143267075&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2s9pt&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email)
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The V-Safe is where the data screened from VAERS (by the CDC) is presented. That had nothing to do with the VAERS reports.
At this point, the CDC has looked at 780,000 reports of injury from the coof vaxx and has confirmed they are legitimate.
The article linked by Dr. Mittal states a lawsuit needed to be filed just to get access to this data from the CDC.
Sounds like a coverup, uh?
https://meganredshaw.substack.com/p/cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=395439&post_id=143267075&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2s9pt&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email (https://meganredshaw.substack.com/p/cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=395439&post_id=143267075&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2s9pt&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email)
Again. WHY. DID. YOUR. LINK. SEND.ME.TO.THE.VAERS.reports?
let me literally qouote your own source for you.
It should be evident at this point why the CDC fought so hard to keep this information from being released. They likely knew that if it were made public, they would have better success marketing their shots to a group of penguins.
But don’t take my word for it—comb through the data (https://icandecide.org/v-safe-data/) yourself.
And it wasn't 780,000 reports of injury. Have you even READ the reports? Because I think its awfully coincidental that 780,000 MESSAGES were sent to V-Safe and you're claiming the EXACT SAME AMOUT are reports of injury.
Maybe, perhaps, you should show me where these released reports are? Because you seem to be telling me your own source doesn't have the right ones.
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Thanks for highlighting the CDC was attempting to cover up the reports.