[Treep Ravisarras]

disregard

[inquisitive]

Would it not be better to live in the world that REs claim exist (such as myself)? All of those problems I said above disappear.

Unlike RE'ers, we do not much care for what sounds nice, what world would be better to live in, or what makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside. We care only about what is true, and what can be empirically measured and observed.

Who is 'we'?  Do you observe the path of the sun at many different places on earth?

[Beorn]

Would it not be better to live in the world that REs claim exist (such as myself)? All of those problems I said above disappear.

Unlike RE'ers, we do not much care for what sounds nice, what world would be better to live in, or what makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside. We care only about what is true, and what can be empirically measured and observed.

Who is 'we'?  Do you observe the path of the sun at many different places on earth?

Some of us do travel around to do our own experiments, yes.

[StinkyOne]

Would it not be better to live in the world that REs claim exist (such as myself)? All of those problems I said above disappear.

Unlike RE'ers, we do not much care for what sounds nice, what world would be better to live in, or what makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside. We care only about what is true, and what can be empirically measured and observed.

Who is 'we'?  Do you observe the path of the sun at many different places on earth?

Some of us do travel around to do our own experiments, yes.

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

[Beorn]

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

[Curious Squirrel]

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

[Beorn]

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

And yet you are so sure that there should be a curve. How convenient.

[AATW]

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

And yet you are so sure that there should be a curve. How convenient.

It is neither convenient or inconvenient, it's just the earth is really big. So a curve can't be discerned until you're higher than a commercial plane flies.
Loads of footage from weather balloons showing the curve, I guess you just dismiss those as fake which I guess is an easy way to prove yourself right.

[Beorn]

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

And yet you are so sure that there should be a curve. How convenient.

It is neither convenient or inconvenient, it's just the earth is really big. So a curve can't be discerned until you're higher than a commercial plane flies.
Loads of footage from weather balloons showing the curve, I guess you just dismiss those as fake which I guess is an easy way to prove yourself right.

Actually at university we once sent a balloon up with a camera on it, and we could not see a curve. Have you send any cameras up to see this curve for yourself?

[AATW]

Actually at university we once sent a balloon up with a camera on it, and we could not see a curve. Have you send any cameras up to see this curve for yourself?

Quite tempted to say "yes" to see what your response would be but that would be dishonest.
The honest answer is no, but while I can't sensibly comment on your attempt I've seen plenty of football from amateur balloons and of course the multiple space agencies which only backs up what we've known about the shape of the earth for thousands of years.

[Beorn]

Actually at university we once sent a balloon up with a camera on it, and we could not see a curve. Have you send any cameras up to see this curve for yourself?

Quite tempted to say "yes" to see what your response would be but that would be dishonest.
The honest answer is no, but while I can't sensibly comment on your attempt

Good, that is the whole point! Don't take my word on it, don't take someone else's word on it, but go out and do your own empirical testing. If you keep your mind open I am sure you will find that the idea of a round earth is not as self-evident as you would think. Heck, you might even come here to argue for FET in due time.

I've seen plenty of football from amateur balloons and of course the multiple space agencies which only backs up what we've known about the shape of the earth for thousands of years.

I don't know what you mean with football from amateur balloons. Did these amateur balloons show the curvature of a football? I can believe that.

[Tumeni]

Don't take my word on it, don't take someone else's word on it, but go out and do your own empirical testing. If you keep your mind open I am sure you will find that the idea of a round earth is not as self-evident as you would think.

Why do you insist on empirical testing for this ONE aspect of our existence, when you take so much else in your daily life at face value?

[Beorn]

Don't take my word on it, don't take someone else's word on it, but go out and do your own empirical testing. If you keep your mind open I am sure you will find that the idea of a round earth is not as self-evident as you would think.

Why do you insist on empirical testing for this ONE aspect of our existence, when you take so much else in your daily life at face value?

Who says that I do?

[StinkyOne]

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

And yet you are so sure that there should be a curve. How convenient.

It is neither convenient or inconvenient, it's just the earth is really big. So a curve can't be discerned until you're higher than a commercial plane flies.
Loads of footage from weather balloons showing the curve, I guess you just dismiss those as fake which I guess is an easy way to prove yourself right.

Actually at university we once sent a balloon up with a camera on it, and we could not see a curve. Have you send any cameras up to see this curve for yourself?

How high did it go?

[Beorn]

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

And yet you are so sure that there should be a curve. How convenient.

It is neither convenient or inconvenient, it's just the earth is really big. So a curve can't be discerned until you're higher than a commercial plane flies.
Loads of footage from weather balloons showing the curve, I guess you just dismiss those as fake which I guess is an easy way to prove yourself right.

Actually at university we once sent a balloon up with a camera on it, and we could not see a curve. Have you send any cameras up to see this curve for yourself?

How high did it go?

3km

[pablozablo]

3km

Not high enough to see curvature. You'd need to be over 10k. You've drawn your conclusion from incomplete data.

[Beorn]

3km

Not high enough to see curvature. You'd need to be over 10k. You've drawn your conclusion from incomplete data.

So in what experiments have you taken part? So far my own observations have shown me that the earth is flat.

[pablozablo]

3km

Not high enough to see curvature. You'd need to be over 10k. You've drawn your conclusion from incomplete data.

So in what experiments have you taken part? So far my own observations have shown me that the earth is flat.

What has my involvement in experiments got to do with your incomplete attempt to get a balloon high enough to see the curve? Your response is called "Whataboutism". Are you going to try your balloon again? How did you measure the height last time? Please provide workings.

[jimbob]

I have seen a ship disappear over the horizon with a powerfull telescope. It did disappear bottom first on a clear day, no shimmer or distortion however I cant be certain that it didnt sink slowly. If it did, it didnt send out any SOS because the Coast Guard didnt come running.

Would it not be better to live in the world that REs claim exist (such as myself)? All of those problems I said above disappear.

Unlike RE'ers, we do not much care for what sounds nice, what world would be better to live in, or what makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside. We care only about what is true, and what can be empirically measured and observed.

Who is 'we'?  Do you observe the path of the sun at many different places on earth?

Some of us do travel around to do our own experiments, yes.

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

[StinkyOne]

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

And yet you are so sure that there should be a curve. How convenient.

It is neither convenient or inconvenient, it's just the earth is really big. So a curve can't be discerned until you're higher than a commercial plane flies.
Loads of footage from weather balloons showing the curve, I guess you just dismiss those as fake which I guess is an easy way to prove yourself right.

Actually at university we once sent a balloon up with a camera on it, and we could not see a curve. Have you send any cameras up to see this curve for yourself?

How high did it go?

3km

LOL - 3km?? You can't see any curve at such a low altitude. This is exactly the problem with FEH. You fancy yourself a backyard scientist, perform an experiment, get the exact results one would expect on the globe, and then claim the Earth is flat. I think it is safe to say many, if not most of us, have been much higher than your balloon. You'd need to be about 20km up to really see the curve. This has been proven and witnessed by many people.