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Re: Died Suddenly
« Reply #200 on: February 10, 2023, 08:02:48 PM »
The entire thing coincided with a time in history when the largest amount of people born into this world was ripe for the picking in terms of age and other health problems. No matter what, death toll numbers were going to rise at a faster clip during this time period we are witnessing now.

Glad to see Kramer laying the blame at the feet of a lifelong democrat and one of Clinton's best friends.
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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Re: Died Suddenly
« Reply #201 on: February 10, 2023, 09:07:32 PM »
The entire thing coincided with a time in history when the largest amount of people born into this world was ripe for the picking in terms of age and other health problems. No matter what, death toll numbers were going to rise at a faster clip during this time period we are witnessing now.

Glad to see Kramer laying the blame at the feet of a lifelong democrat and one of Clinton's best friends.

Trump’s neither a Democrat or a Republican in his heart because he has no heart. Which is why he’s a Republican.

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« Reply #202 on: February 10, 2023, 10:23:39 PM »
Covid should have been a wake up call for planet earth. A small change in a couple of proteins and the nightmare scenario would be upon us. We dodged a bullet and no one cares.

However, what we did learn is that when the big one does hit, our leaders will be corrupt and incompetent (Trump) and our public will be ignorant and uncooperative (Action80.) A viral pathogen would decimate humanity while Joe Rogan blathers on about fish medicine and Fox News tries to blame it all on Critical Race Theory.

Or, the more logical counterpoint, that the reason covid was not taken very seriously is precisely because it wasn't actually a nightmare scenario. For the vast, vast majority of humanity, covid was a nothing burger. There was simply no reason to obliterate the world economy over what amounted to just another flu. This is also why lots of people took it seriously at first and then the effect wore off because personal experience with the illness led to it being not taken seriously.

Based on limited research, I suspect its like 5%.
5% of people, healthy or not, would struggle with covid. (And this older article seems to back that up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7895685/ )

Thats still 95% who are just gonna be sick and then be fine, but 5% of 9 billion is... What?

450 million.

And if the death rate is 1%, thats 9 million.

I mean, globally, those are big numbers.

I think we also suffer from a short memory. I mean early to mid to late 2020 even into 2021, it was a shitshow. Especially with Delta. Lots of people were dying/died, lots on vents, hospitals overwhelmed, healthcare workers overwhelmed, etc. When was the last time NYC had to store bodies in makeshift refrigerated trailers out in parking lots because the morgues were full? So our utterly unprepared pandemic response swings the other way with all hands on deck in preparation for it getting even worse than it already was. And that had long-lasting positive and negative effects unto itself.

So hopefully, we have learned at least something about what works and doesn't work as a response because something like this will definitely happen again. And next time it may be a 25% kill rate or some abomination like that.

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« Reply #203 on: February 11, 2023, 03:48:47 AM »
Trump’s neither a Democrat or a Republican in his heart because he has no heart. Which is why he’s a Republican.
^ITT, a clear exhibition of the reasoning that gives birth to the worldwide response to the nothing burger of Covid.
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« Reply #204 on: February 11, 2023, 09:23:43 AM »
Trump’s neither a Democrat or a Republican in his heart because he has no heart. Which is why he’s a Republican.
^ITT, a clear exhibition of the reasoning that gives birth to the worldwide response to the nothing burger of Covid.

A world-wide response to something generally isn't considered a nothing burger. You know, being a world-wide response with 6.85 million deaths and all.

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« Reply #205 on: February 11, 2023, 09:53:21 AM »
Trump’s neither a Democrat or a Republican in his heart because he has no heart. Which is why he’s a Republican.
^ITT, a clear exhibition of the reasoning that gives birth to the worldwide response to the nothing burger of Covid.

A world-wide response to something generally isn't considered a nothing burger. You know, being a world-wide response with 6.85 million deaths and all.
^ ITT, the encouragement of dutiful acceptance of increased tyranny.
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« Reply #206 on: February 11, 2023, 10:27:07 AM »
Covid should have been a wake up call for planet earth. A small change in a couple of proteins and the nightmare scenario would be upon us. We dodged a bullet and no one cares.

However, what we did learn is that when the big one does hit, our leaders will be corrupt and incompetent (Trump) and our public will be ignorant and uncooperative (Action80.) A viral pathogen would decimate humanity while Joe Rogan blathers on about fish medicine and Fox News tries to blame it all on Critical Race Theory.

Or, the more logical counterpoint, that the reason covid was not taken very seriously is precisely because it wasn't actually a nightmare scenario. For the vast, vast majority of humanity, covid was a nothing burger. There was simply no reason to obliterate the world economy over what amounted to just another flu. This is also why lots of people took it seriously at first and then the effect wore off because personal experience with the illness led to it being not taken seriously.

Based on limited research, I suspect its like 5%.
5% of people, healthy or not, would struggle with covid. (And this older article seems to back that up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7895685/ )

Thats still 95% who are just gonna be sick and then be fine, but 5% of 9 billion is... What?

450 million.

And if the death rate is 1%, thats 9 million.

I mean, globally, those are big numbers.

I think we also suffer from a short memory. I mean early to mid to late 2020 even into 2021, it was a shitshow. Especially with Delta. Lots of people were dying/died, lots on vents, hospitals overwhelmed, healthcare workers overwhelmed, etc. When was the last time NYC had to store bodies in makeshift refrigerated trailers out in parking lots because the morgues were full? So our utterly unprepared pandemic response swings the other way with all hands on deck in preparation for it getting even worse than it already was. And that had long-lasting positive and negative effects unto itself.

So hopefully, we have learned at least something about what works and doesn't work as a response because something like this will definitely happen again. And next time it may be a 25% kill rate or some abomination like that.

NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #207 on: February 11, 2023, 01:13:37 PM »
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.
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« Reply #208 on: February 11, 2023, 01:54:34 PM »
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

As poosed to "Trust a random guy on youtube who says its a lie because he said so."
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #209 on: February 11, 2023, 01:56:56 PM »
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

What's always funny about the "I don't trust the numbers" people is never having numbers of their own. It's estimated that between 200-500k people die per year, worldwide, from the Flu. The 6.85m worldwide numbers of Covid mortality would have to be off by 73% for these people to claim it was/is, just the Flu.
For two, these "I don't trust the numbers" people would also have to rely on the entire planet to be in on the "the trust the government" cabal.
For three, what would be the motive for the entire world to agree to temporarily disrupt the supply chain, trash their economies with closures and lockdowns, swamp their healthcare systems, and pay out billions in aid and such? I'm not seeing a benefit to the NWO cabal of elites, especially in consumer driven economies. Oh yeah, maybe it's ye olde the encouragement of dutiful acceptance of increased tyranny gambit. Funny, I can think of myriad ways of doing that without blowing up a planet's economy. And yes, the tyranny is horrific. All that forced mask wearing was absolutely tyrannical. Oh, but wait, where did all the tyranny go? I guess the NWO elite cabal only wanted tyranny temporarily because I don't see any tyranny now. Maybe it was the NWO elite cabal just fucking with us for funsies.

Something killed 6.85M people and if you don't believe the numbers, let's say it's a whopping 50% off, that's still 3+ million people who died that perhaps didn't have to. And the "I don't trust the numbers" people are seemingly ok with that.

I guess for the "I don't trust the numbers" people, no one should have done anything. Just let it run it's course just to see how much damage it does for shits & giggles. Unless, of course, until it hits close to home. Then it's always a different tune.

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« Reply #210 on: February 11, 2023, 03:11:06 PM »
I think you meant 730%.

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« Reply #211 on: February 11, 2023, 03:51:56 PM »
Yeesh, apparently I struggle with math. In any case, I guess my point is, covid deaths far outstripped worldwide annual flu deaths by a massive amount. And that massive amount came from something other than the flu. Yet some people feel the world should have done absolutely nothing about it. Which, to me, is insane and inhumane.

Basically the argument is, "Kill off the boomers, they are going to die soon anyway. And yeah, take out any Gen Xers who are susceptible. And maybe even some younger folk who are comprised. We're cool with that, even on a worldwide scale....So yeah, don't do anything...nothing at all..."

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« Reply #212 on: February 11, 2023, 06:16:46 PM »
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

As poosed to "Trust a random guy on youtube who says its a lie because he said so."
^ITT The immediate urge to ignore actual government admissions of overstating the actual deaths of Covid, while making some imaginary "guy on youtube" because it is easier to argue with mythological characters.
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #213 on: February 11, 2023, 06:20:43 PM »
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

What's always funny about the "I don't trust the numbers" people is never having numbers of their own. It's estimated that between 200-500k people die per year, worldwide, from the Flu. The 6.85m worldwide numbers of Covid mortality would have to be off by 73% for these people to claim it was/is, just the Flu.
For two, these "I don't trust the numbers" people would also have to rely on the entire planet to be in on the "the trust the government" cabal.
For three, what would be the motive for the entire world to agree to temporarily disrupt the supply chain, trash their economies with closures and lockdowns, swamp their healthcare systems, and pay out billions in aid and such? I'm not seeing a benefit to the NWO cabal of elites, especially in consumer driven economies. Oh yeah, maybe it's ye olde the encouragement of dutiful acceptance of increased tyranny gambit. Funny, I can think of myriad ways of doing that without blowing up a planet's economy. And yes, the tyranny is horrific. All that forced mask wearing was absolutely tyrannical. Oh, but wait, where did all the tyranny go? I guess the NWO elite cabal only wanted tyranny temporarily because I don't see any tyranny now. Maybe it was the NWO elite cabal just fucking with us for funsies.

Something killed 6.85M people and if you don't believe the numbers, let's say it's a whopping 50% off, that's still 3+ million people who died that perhaps didn't have to. And the "I don't trust the numbers" people are seemingly ok with that.

I guess for the "I don't trust the numbers" people, no one should have done anything. Just let it run it's course just to see how much damage it does for shits & giggles. Unless, of course, until it hits close to home. Then it's always a different tune.

^ITT The idea that government can and ought to do something regardless, despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors, is perpetuated.
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #214 on: February 11, 2023, 07:05:01 PM »
NYC has a population of 8.5 million.
1% of that 85,0000

The highest amount of deaths was in April of 2020 with 808 deaths in one day.
It quickly dropped down but that was the shitshow we saw.  It was a BIG peak with thousands dying of ONLY covid in a month.
^ITT: The perpetuation of the "trust the government numbers," mantra.

What's always funny about the "I don't trust the numbers" people is never having numbers of their own. It's estimated that between 200-500k people die per year, worldwide, from the Flu. The 6.85m worldwide numbers of Covid mortality would have to be off by 73% for these people to claim it was/is, just the Flu.
For two, these "I don't trust the numbers" people would also have to rely on the entire planet to be in on the "the trust the government" cabal.
For three, what would be the motive for the entire world to agree to temporarily disrupt the supply chain, trash their economies with closures and lockdowns, swamp their healthcare systems, and pay out billions in aid and such? I'm not seeing a benefit to the NWO cabal of elites, especially in consumer driven economies. Oh yeah, maybe it's ye olde the encouragement of dutiful acceptance of increased tyranny gambit. Funny, I can think of myriad ways of doing that without blowing up a planet's economy. And yes, the tyranny is horrific. All that forced mask wearing was absolutely tyrannical. Oh, but wait, where did all the tyranny go? I guess the NWO elite cabal only wanted tyranny temporarily because I don't see any tyranny now. Maybe it was the NWO elite cabal just fucking with us for funsies.

Something killed 6.85M people and if you don't believe the numbers, let's say it's a whopping 50% off, that's still 3+ million people who died that perhaps didn't have to. And the "I don't trust the numbers" people are seemingly ok with that.

I guess for the "I don't trust the numbers" people, no one should have done anything. Just let it run it's course just to see how much damage it does for shits & giggles. Unless, of course, until it hits close to home. Then it's always a different tune.

^ITT The idea that government can and ought to do something regardless, despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors, is perpetuated.

You could apply that to anything and everything. So you want to abolish the government and actually, all governments of the world because of their shitty failed track record in all endeavors?

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« Reply #215 on: February 11, 2023, 09:24:45 PM »
Nice strawman.

The government certainly has no business in medicine and it is the socialists and fascists here beating the drum for government and corporate control over it.

I don't know why you are wasting your time writing about what I think anyway.

I know all of you and the fact of the matter is you all have what you most fervently desire.

The fact you are dead wrong on your philosophy will only be dealt with at a later date.
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« Reply #216 on: February 11, 2023, 10:30:22 PM »
Nice strawman.

Actually it's not. You're the one who said, "...despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors..." The operative word being 'ALL'. So one could assume you meant all government endeavors. Meaning, you know, all of them.

The government certainly has no business in medicine and it is the socialists and fascists here beating the drum for government and corporate control over it.

Would you propose, for example, we get rid of the FDA for starters? Let big pharma simply self regulate? Just trying to get a sense of what you mean specifically in regard to government and medicine. (see below regarding the use and meaning of '?')

I don't know why you are wasting your time writing about what I think anyway.

Twas a question, not a statement. The operative punctuation you seem to be unfamiliar with was a '?'.

I know all of you and the fact of the matter is you all have what you most fervently desire.

The fact you are dead wrong on your philosophy will only be dealt with at a later date.

Sounds like fun. Looking forward to it.

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« Reply #217 on: February 11, 2023, 11:24:39 PM »
Nice strawman.

Actually it's not. You're the one who said, "...despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors..." The operative word being 'ALL'. So one could assume you meant all government endeavors. Meaning, you know, all of them.
Wow, the reading comprehension has yet to kick in, uh?
The government certainly has no business in medicine and it is the socialists and fascists here beating the drum for government and corporate control over it.


Would you propose, for example, we get rid of the FDA for starters? Let big pharma simply self regulate? Just trying to get a sense of what you mean specifically in regard to government and medicine. (see below regarding the use and meaning of '?')
Government regulation is bad, regardless.

I don't know why you are wasting your time writing about what I think anyway.

Twas a question, not a statement. The operative punctuation you seem to be unfamiliar with was a '?'.
A question framed as to what I think, which was the setting up of the strawman.

I know all of you and the fact of the matter is you all have what you most fervently desire.

The fact you are dead wrong on your philosophy will only be dealt with at a later date.

Sounds like fun. Looking forward to it.
Easy for you to write now.
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« Reply #218 on: February 11, 2023, 11:36:20 PM »
Nice strawman.

Actually it's not. You're the one who said, "...despite its failed track record over the years in all endeavors..." The operative word being 'ALL'. So one could assume you meant all government endeavors. Meaning, you know, all of them.
Wow, the reading comprehension has yet to kick in, uh?
The government certainly has no business in medicine and it is the socialists and fascists here beating the drum for government and corporate control over it.

Would you propose, for example, we get rid of the FDA for starters? Let big pharma simply self regulate? Just trying to get a sense of what you mean specifically in regard to government and medicine. (see below regarding the use and meaning of '?')
Government regulation is bad, regardless.

Meaning you would prefer the FDA not regulate and let big pharma self-regulate?


I don't know why you are wasting your time writing about what I think anyway.

Twas a question, not a statement. The operative punctuation you seem to be unfamiliar with was a '?'.
A question framed as to what I think, which was the setting up of the strawman.

I was only going on what you wrote, which was "all" government endeavors. Perhaps "some" would have been a better word.


I know all of you and the fact of the matter is you all have what you most fervently desire.

The fact you are dead wrong on your philosophy will only be dealt with at a later date.

Sounds like fun. Looking forward to it.
Easy for you to write now.

Easier for you to write now. Apparently, you can see into the future. Impressive.

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« Reply #219 on: February 12, 2023, 06:15:48 AM »
The FDA is going to take 75 fucking years to produce the evidence it fucking used to approve an experimental vaccine (one that doesn't even fucking work, mind you...and one that forced all the wordsmiths to actually rewrite the definition of the word vaccine)and you fucking want them to regulate something?

Go ahead. Be my guest.

I'm not the fucking idiot here.

And I can look at current actions and draw highly reasonable conclusions as to outcomes.

So, yeah. It ain't gonna pretty for you and the rest of the usual suspects here.
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