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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: veggero on August 24, 2015, 11:23:50 AM

Title: questions. ???
Post by: veggero on August 24, 2015, 11:23:50 AM
 Hello everyone!
Are veggero, one a little "skeptical" (I think it's acceptable, because you talk about international conspiracies).
Despite this if your theory does not have "holes" scientific, it should be feasible. So I have a few questions:
1) Do you think that the moon and sun are dishes?
2) There are Mars and the other planets?
2b) If you follow a trajectory similar to that of the sun and the moon shown on the FAQ?
2c) they are flat?
3) Why the sun and the moon turn to "circle" on the earth flat?
3b) Why the moon rotates 29 times slower?
4) Why are the "stages" of the moon?
5) On the FAQ shown that the sun is a trajectory to circle above the earth, illuminating one side as it spins. But in theory, a body (the sun) suspended on a flat surface (the land) should be seen by an observer wherever he is on this surface. Why instead we see the sun for only 12 hours?

I used google translator, I hope you understand everything.
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 24, 2015, 03:21:27 PM
Hi veggero and welcome to the forums.  I see you have a lot questions, and that is a good thing.  However, it is hard to give you good answers and have a discussion when you present us with list as long as my arm of questions.  Let's start with your first question, and we can progress from there.  No, I do not think any of the celestial objects are dishes or disks.  I believe they are likely spherical, but much closer than the lying satanists at NASA tell you they are. 

By the way, which country are you from? 
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: veggero on August 24, 2015, 03:34:14 PM
I'm from italy.
Quote from: jroa
much closer than the lying satanists at NASA tell you they are
So you can actually go, maybe easily? What we would find? At the height of the sun and moon, there's atmosphere? (that is, you can go "airplane"?)
Since gravity "does not exist" would not be attracted to the soil of the moon, right? And why the moon / sun may be spherical while the earth is flat?
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 24, 2015, 03:47:08 PM
It is not easy to go to space.  Amateur rockets only make it to around 20Km or so.  The sun and moon are farther than that, and the stars and planets are even farther.  The problem lies in fuel to weight ratio. 
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: veggero on August 24, 2015, 04:03:58 PM
It is not easy to go to space.  Amateur rockets only make it to around 20Km or so.  The sun and moon are farther than that, and the stars and planets are even farther.  The problem lies in fuel to weight ratio.
The V2 was a missile that hit London if I'm not mistaken (ie real) and came to 200km. How far is the moon / sun?
In addition, it was built exactly as they say they are built rockets. So why not build a rocket like the Saturn and "control"?
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 24, 2015, 04:41:34 PM
It is not easy to go to space.  Amateur rockets only make it to around 20Km or so.  The sun and moon are farther than that, and the stars and planets are even farther.  The problem lies in fuel to weight ratio.
The V2 was a missile that hit London if I'm not mistaken (ie real) and came to 200km. How far is the moon / sun?
In addition, it was built exactly as they say they are built rockets. So why not build a rocket like the Saturn and "control"?

How far was German held territory from London during WWII?  I am fairly sure it was closer than the 3000 miles that the sun has been calculated to be above the Earth.  ::)  Besides, when you launch something at the proper angle, it only needs half the fuel because it is falling the other half of the journey.  I am not sure what you are having problems comprehending here. 
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: veggero on August 24, 2015, 07:38:13 PM
It is not easy to go to space.  Amateur rockets only make it to around 20Km or so.  The sun and moon are farther than that, and the stars and planets are even farther.  The problem lies in fuel to weight ratio.
The V2 was a missile that hit London if I'm not mistaken (ie real) and came to 200km. How far is the moon / sun?
In addition, it was built exactly as they say they are built rockets. So why not build a rocket like the Saturn and "control"?

How far was German held territory from London during WWII?  I am fairly sure it was closer than the 3000 miles that the sun has been calculated to be above the Earth.  ::)  Besides, when you launch something at the proper angle, it only needs half the fuel because it is falling the other half of the journey.  I am not sure what you are having problems comprehending here.
Right :). So you think the sun is 3,000 miles (4,800 km) above the earth?
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 25, 2015, 12:14:55 AM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away. 
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: geckothegeek on August 25, 2015, 02:01:45 AM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 25, 2015, 05:52:52 AM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?

Mathematics and observations.  Or, do you not believe in mathematics? 
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: Pongo on August 25, 2015, 12:38:17 PM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?

Mathematics and observations.  Or, do you not believe in mathematics?

Or observations.  It's the primary method of discovery for all sciences.
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 25, 2015, 03:01:21 PM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?

Mathematics and observations.  Or, do you not believe in mathematics?

Or observations.  It's the primary method of discovery for all sciences.

Did you correct me by posting, "observations," right after quoting me saying, "observations?"  You are a very confusing individual.  ;D
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: Pongo on August 25, 2015, 03:40:55 PM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?

Mathematics and observations.  Or, do you not believe in mathematics?

Or observations.  It's the primary method of discovery for all sciences.

Did you correct me by posting, "observations," right after quoting me saying, "observations?"  You are a very confusing individual.  ;D

No.  In your second sentence you asked if the poster did not believe in math.  I was asking about observations as well; which you neglected to highlight in your second sentence.
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 25, 2015, 03:57:30 PM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?

Mathematics and observations.  Or, do you not believe in mathematics?

Or observations.  It's the primary method of discovery for all sciences.

Did you correct me by posting, "observations," right after quoting me saying, "observations?"  You are a very confusing individual.  ;D

No.  In your second sentence you asked if the poster did not believe in math.  I was asking about observations as well; which you neglected to highlight in your second sentence.

Just busting your balls a little, Pongo.  ;D  I haven't seen you around much lately.  How are things going?   
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: geckothegeek on August 25, 2015, 08:42:14 PM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?

Mathematics and observations.  Or, do you not believe in mathematics?

That's all right. Of course you don't believe the earth is a globe. But that's your problem. However I suspect you're just an actor. But congratulations on your talents if you are.

The mathematics and observations that the sun is 3000 miles away have long since been de-bunked anyway. There is NO evidence.

If you are also saying that both the sun and moon are 3000 miles away. Same thing.
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: geckothegeek on August 25, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
Hello everyone!
Are veggero, one a little "skeptical" (I think it's acceptable, because you talk about international conspiracies).
Despite this if your theory does not have "holes" scientific, it should be feasible. So I have a few questions:
1) Do you think that the moon and sun are dishes?
2) There are Mars and the other planets?
2b) If you follow a trajectory similar to that of the sun and the moon shown on the FAQ?
2c) they are flat?
3) Why the sun and the moon turn to "circle" on the earth flat?
3b) Why the moon rotates 29 times slower?
4) Why are the "stages" of the moon?
5) On the FAQ shown that the sun is a trajectory to circle above the earth, illuminating one side as it spins. But in theory, a body (the sun) suspended on a flat surface (the land) should be seen by an observer wherever he is on this surface. Why instead we see the sun for only 12 hours?

I used google translator, I hope you understand everything.

(5)One  common flat earth answer is that the sun is a spotlight and it just shines downward and only illuminates a circle of light on the flat earth. But wait ! Another flat earth answer is that the sun is not a spotlight. It just acts like a spotlight. I hope that makes it crystal clear. LOL.
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: veggero on August 25, 2015, 08:57:50 PM
Hello everyone!
Are veggero, one a little "skeptical" (I think it's acceptable, because you talk about international conspiracies).
Despite this if your theory does not have "holes" scientific, it should be feasible. So I have a few questions:
1) Do you think that the moon and sun are dishes?
2) There are Mars and the other planets?
2b) If you follow a trajectory similar to that of the sun and the moon shown on the FAQ?
2c) they are flat?
3) Why the sun and the moon turn to "circle" on the earth flat?
3b) Why the moon rotates 29 times slower?
4) Why are the "stages" of the moon?
5) On the FAQ shown that the sun is a trajectory to circle above the earth, illuminating one side as it spins. But in theory, a body (the sun) suspended on a flat surface (the land) should be seen by an observer wherever he is on this surface. Why instead we see the sun for only 12 hours?

I used google translator, I hope you understand everything.

(5)One  common flat earth answer is that the sun is a spotlight and it just shines downward and only illuminates a circle of light on the flat earth. But wait ! Another flat earth answer is that the sun is not a spotlight. It just acts like a spotlight. I hope that makes it crystal clear. LOL.
I could be wrong but I can not be a spotlight down, otherwise we would not see a sunset where the sun sets over the horizon but a sun goes down and disappear
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: geckothegeek on August 25, 2015, 09:09:40 PM
Hello everyone!
Are veggero, one a little "skeptical" (I think it's acceptable, because you talk about international conspiracies).
Despite this if your theory does not have "holes" scientific, it should be feasible. So I have a few questions:
1) Do you think that the moon and sun are dishes?
2) There are Mars and the other planets?
2b) If you follow a trajectory similar to that of the sun and the moon shown on the FAQ?
2c) they are flat?
3) Why the sun and the moon turn to "circle" on the earth flat?
3b) Why the moon rotates 29 times slower?
4) Why are the "stages" of the moon?
5) On the FAQ shown that the sun is a trajectory to circle above the earth, illuminating one side as it spins. But in theory, a body (the sun) suspended on a flat surface (the land) should be seen by an observer wherever he is on this surface. Why instead we see the sun for only 12 hours?

I used google translator, I hope you understand everything.

(5)One  common flat earth answer is that the sun is a spotlight and it just shines downward and only illuminates a circle of light on the flat earth. But wait ! Another flat earth answer is that the sun is not a spotlight. It just acts like a spotlight. I hope that makes it crystal clear. LOL.
I could be wrong but I can not be a spotlight down, otherwise we would not see a sunset where the sun sets over the horizon but a sun goes down and disappear

You will have to ask jroa. I am not a flat earth expert. jroa can give you all the answers.

Another flat earth answer is that there is no such thing as a sunset because the sun can not go below the horizon on a flat earth. There is some other flat earth definition of a "sunset" on the earth. One is that the sun gets so small and so far away it disappears and that is what causes day and night.

If you don't get answers from flat earthers, round earthers can supply you with all the flat earth answers. Are you beginning to catch on to what this forum is all about ?

One more attempt a flat earth answer.:
(4) The moon supplies its own light. It is "bioluminiscent". This is caused by either some kind of bacteria or some say "moonshrimps" or "moonshramps" cause the phases of the moon by migrating back and forth on the moon's surface causing the dark and light phases of the moon.

I should cease and desist at this point and defer to the flat earthers for the rest of your questions . I am just a paid shill and a liar anyway because I say I know the earth is a globe and not a flat disc . LOL. 

Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 25, 2015, 10:41:07 PM
The sun acting like a spotlight is not the same thing as the sun being a spotlight.  Please, do not post false information when people want genuine answers. 
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: geckothegeek on August 25, 2015, 10:46:07 PM
I am just quoting flat earth answers   that I see on this forum. LOL.

We have been through this old thing about "The sun is not a spotlight. It acts like a spotlight " before. LOL.

My neighbor has some kind of animal that sure acts like a dog . Does that mean it isn't a dog ? Maybe it's a cat that acts like a dog ?  But it barks like a dog and doesn't meow like a cat ?

Maybe I should recant and just leave the answers to a  flat earth expert such as you , jroa. I am sure you would be more than happy if all the RE's would stay off this forum.
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 25, 2015, 10:56:21 PM
My car can act like a tractor.  That does not mean it is a tractor.  It is a car.  ::)
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: geckothegeek on August 26, 2015, 01:14:55 AM
My car can act like a tractor.  That does not mean it is a tractor.  It is a car.  ::)

Perhaps you can clear up the confusion on the sun.

If the sun is not a spotlight but acts like a spotlight just how does it act  ?

I am assuming that the flat earth definition of the sun is :
(1) Is the sun the shape of a disc or is it the shape of a sphere ?
(2) Is the sun 3000 miles from the earth or is it at some other distance ?
(3) Does the sun just shine downward on the earth or does it shine  in all directions ?
(4) If the sun shines downward is this like the beam from a spotlight or flashlight ?
(5) Is this beam in a well defined circular pattern like a spotlight or a flashlight or is it in some other shape like an oval ?
(6) If (4) and (5) are true is there some kind of focusing condition to form the whatever it is : "spotlight" or "acts like a spotlight" if (3) is true ?

Please provide a detailed description of the flat earth sun. This might clear up these questions. Thanks.
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: jroa on August 26, 2015, 03:32:41 PM
Perhaps you can stay on topic and not try to turn a question and answer in to a debate in the Flat Earth Questions and Answers forum?  Just wondering. 
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: markjo on August 26, 2015, 10:14:08 PM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?

Mathematics and observations.  Or, do you not believe in mathematics?
Would you care to show your math?
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: geckothegeek on August 27, 2015, 12:19:23 AM
Perhaps you can stay on topic and not try to turn a question and answer in to a debate in the Flat Earth Questions and Answers forum?  Just wondering.
 

Those were intended as questions. I thought this was the Q&A Section ? I've got questions.
Do you have any answers ?
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: geckothegeek on August 27, 2015, 12:30:28 AM
The evidence seems to point to the sun being 3000 miles away.

What evidence ?

Mathematics and observations.  Or, do you not believe in mathematics?
Would you care to show your math?

Just show the method and the mathematics of how you arrived at the 3000 mile distance from the earth to the sun.

This may be considered off topic but one of the flat earth ideas presented is that the moon and sun are both 3000 miles from the earth.

In an earlier topic some time ago the methods and mathematics proving that the moon was approximately 238,150 miles from the earth were presented.

Can FES provide the methods and mathematics that since the moon and the sun are the same distance from the earth that the distance is 3000 miles ?

And why not just go through veggero's  questions one by one and give answers ?
Title: Re: questions. ???
Post by: veggero on August 31, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
Other replies?
Some tests: (sizes to scale)
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