The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: geckothegeek on September 01, 2015, 02:48:51 AM
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What is the FES opinion of Gleason's Map of 1892 ?
http://maps.bpl.org/id/15442
It seems to be just a case of plagiarism. Gleason, or J.S. Cristopher , seem to have just made a copy of the Azimuthmal Equidistant Projection and claimed it as their invention. The source for the map is not cited. The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection dates to the year 1000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection
Gleason seems to claim the map as "scientifically and practically correct" and is the world "as it is" and "A New Standard Map Of The World."
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Middleton's Map
https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:7h149v83d
Middleton's Map (1878-1899) seems to be a crudely drawn map. More like a child's scrawl .
FES advises this post is permissible under their rules. If it is not I have no objection to their removal of it.
How does the FES regard The United States Navy and The United States Federal Aviation Administration ? The USN uses Oceanic Charts and the FAA uses Sectional Maps. Both are made from projections of the Globe. They are in use every day and have been proven to be accurate and reliable. Does the FES regard the USN and the FAA to be of satanic nature and part of the vast "Round Earth Conspiracy" ?
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Are you asking if this chapter of the Flat Earth Society has an opinion of the alleged plagiarism of the Azimuthmal Equidistant Projection by Gleason or Christopher?
To the best of my knowledge, no one cares.
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Are you asking if this chapter of the Flat Earth Society has an opinion of the alleged plagiarism of the Azimuthmal Equidistant Projection by Gleason or Christopher?
To the best of my knowledge, no one cares.
See Orbisect-64's posts on the "Flat Earth Information Repository"
Just wondering if the FES had any background information on J.S. Christopher ?
The only reference seems to be "The projection of J.S. Christopher". Usually most maps would have some kind of note such as maybe " The projection of J.S. Christopher Based on the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection." Why is there no such note on the map ?
Because of that . Wondering if Christopher was claiming it was his invention ? It is obviously identical to the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection.
That was the question whether Gleason's Map is regarded as plagiarism ? If he was presenting it as a "New Standard Map Of The World "? If he was presenting it as a flat earth map of the world "As It Is."? Seems to relate to the FES ? Whether or not Gleason or Christopher had any connections with Rowbotham ?
Middleton's Map is so crudely drawn that there would be no question of it not being of any use.
Just two curious maps seemingly intended to be "flat earth maps."
Also the question of any FES opinions of the USN and the FAA in regard to the maps they use as mentioned in the OP ?
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To the best of my knowledge, no one cares.
I agree with this statement, other than googlethegeek.
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Right, so the entirety of your argument is "those two maps look very similar, and that third map is ugly and I don't like it".
Enthralling. I can foresee a great discussion developing from these profound propositions.
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The comment was meant to question Gleason's Map. If Gleason had cited the map was simply made from the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection instead of "J.S. Christopher's Projection" there wouldn't have been any questions about plagiarism.
Other than claiming that there is no Flat Earth Map, some flat earthers have been claiming the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection is the Flat Earth Map and that is an accurate map of the earth . This seems to be what Gleason is claiming for his map.
And the comment on Middleton's Map was simply whether it was intended for any practical use due to its crudeness.
I am guilty of making the old Round Earth mistake of dealing in reality. LOL.
Just wondered if the FES regarded Gleason's Map about the same as they regard sceptimatic ?
PS- Do you have any comments on the USN and the FAA as mentioned previously ?
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Just wondered if the FES regarded Gleason's Map about the same as they regard sceptimatic ?
I have no idea what you mean by that.
I am guilty of making the old Round Earth mistake of dealing in reality. LOL.
Ah, yes, good old "reality". How's that religion working out for you?
PS- Do you have any comments on the USN and the FAA as mentioned previously ?
Any projection can be used for navigation if used skilfully. I guess "reality" precludes you from understanding computers and/or geometry and forces you to resort to "Satanism".
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(1)Just wondered if the FES regarded Gleason's Map about the same as they regard sceptimatic ?
I have no idea what you mean by that.
(2)I am guilty of making the old Round Earth mistake of dealing in reality. LOL.
Ah, yes, good old "reality". How's that religion working out for you?
(3)PS- Do you have any comments on the USN and the FAA as mentioned previously ?
Any projection can be used for navigation if used skilfully. I guess "reality" precludes you from understanding computers and/or geometry and forces you to resort to "Satanism".
(1) In the sense that Gleason's claims for his map in relation to sceptimatic's claims for his genius.
(2) Reality ? It works every day where I have worked.
(3)Glad to hear that. I've worked in the areas of using projections of maps , geometry and computers to some degree of being used skillfully. Or at least a lot of people have used them skillfully without resorting to "Satanism." Are you now acknowledging that maps are made from projections of the globe ?
Gleason's map is like the sun. "The sun is not a spotlight. It acts like a spotlight but it isn't a spotlight." Gleason's map looks like and acts like a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe but that doesn't mean it is a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe.
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For thousands of years maps weren't made as projections of globes and people got around just fine with them. From locations scratched in the dirt to seafarers colonizing the world. It's only after all the areas on the map were filled in did people start claiming they were projections of a globe. Funny how that is, isn't it?
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For thousands of years maps weren't made as projections of globes and people got around just fine with them. From locations scratched in the dirt to seafarers colonizing the world. It's only after all the areas on the map were filled in did people start claiming they were projections of a globe. Funny how that is, isn't it?
What's so funny about it ? For thousands of years people didn't travel very far from home by foot, horse, mule or camel . But later people started traveling by boats and stagecoaches and they needed maps. Then they started air travel and they needed better maps. Just sort of an evolutionary process. As travel progressed, maps, and then better maps were needed. That's where various types of maps-made from various kinds of projections were needed. So...What's so funny about that ?
But the subject was Gleason's and Middleton's maps. They really are based on a projection even if they are claimed they aren't projections.Is denial the same as lying ?
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(1) In the sense that Gleason's claims for his map in relation to sceptimatic's claims for his genius.
This attempt at explaining what you mean really doesn't help. I'm just going to guess what you mean, since you're unable to articulate yourself.
Gleason's map is pretty accurate, and unless you can name the original author of the projection in question, there is no one to plagiarise from.
(2) Reality ? It works every day where I have worked.
I see you decided to ignore my use of quotation marks. Your "reality" is very different from reality, and this is a great example of it. You see what you want to see, and only that.
(3)Glad to hear that. I've worked in the areas of using projections of maps , geometry and computers to some degree of being used skillfully. Or at least a lot of people have used them skillfully without resorting to "Satanism." Are you now acknowledging that maps are made from projections of the globe ?
No. This is, once again, a great example of you considering your religious convictions to somehow hold weight in the observable universe. They do not.
Gleason's map looks like and acts like a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe but that doesn't mean it is a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe.
Define "copy".
But the subject was Gleason's and Middleton's maps. They really are based on a projection even if they are claimed they aren't projections.Is denial the same as lying ?
Please substantiate or rescind this claim. We have no business dealing with unfalsifiable hypotheses here.
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(1) In the sense that Gleason's claims for his map in relation to sceptimatic's claims for his genius.
This attempt at explaining what you mean really doesn't help. I'm just going to guess what you mean, since you're unable to articulate yourself.
Gleason's map is pretty accurate, and unless you can name the original author of the projection in question, there is no one to plagiarise from.
(2) Reality ? It works every day where I have worked.
I see you decided to ignore my use of quotation marks. Your "reality" is very different from reality, and this is a great example of it. You see what you want to see, and only that.
(3)Glad to hear that. I've worked in the areas of using projections of maps , geometry and computers to some degree of being used skillfully. Or at least a lot of people have used them skillfully without resorting to "Satanism." Are you now acknowledging that maps are made from projections of the globe ?
No. This is, once again, a great example of you considering your religious convictions to somehow hold weight in the observable universe. They do not.
Gleason's map looks like and acts like a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe but that doesn't mean it is a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe.
Define "copy".
But the subject was Gleason's and Middleton's maps. They really are based on a projection even if they are claimed they aren't projections.Is denial the same as lying ?
Please substantiate or rescind this claim. We have no business dealing with unfalsifiable hypotheses here.
Gleason's Map is so obviously identical with the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection that one would assume he just copied it. He did include showing all the countries. Most of these maps just show land areas shaded green , brown, etc. You can argue whether he copied or not but it is identical to the projection. It was just curious that there was no note as to its true source.
Here is some information on the history of the Azimuthal Eqidistant Projection including the original source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection
I think Middleton's Map even went to a statement that it was not a projection.
By reality I mean that the earth is a globe and there are projections and Gleason's map closely resembles one.
As for Middleton's map I don't see how anyone could consider it being accurate in any sense.
If you can prove that Gleason's map doesn't resemble the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection I would be interested in knowing your reason. That is where the suspicion lies. Gleason claimed it was J.S. Christopher's projection. I can see this debate is going the usual flat earth way.
I have evidence that the map is a copy but you have no evidence that it isn't. And if you can prove these projections are accurate in all details such as distances and shapes and sizes south of the equator I would be interested. If you can show me an accurate flat earth map of the entire earth I would be interested. Even the Flat Earth Society says there is none.
If you really have doubts or beliefs about the accuracy of Gleason's or Middleton's maps I would suggest you consult authorities on the subject if you question my opinions.
I'll just leave it at that. No further comments. I will leave any further research up to you.
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Gleason's Map is so obviously identical with the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection that one would assume he just copied it.
But it's not identical. What you mean is "I think these are similar, and that's somehow bad". I don't understand why you think anyone cares.
It was just curious that there was no note as to its true source.
Define "true".
I think Middleton's Map even went to a statement that it was not a projection.
Yes.
By reality I mean that the earth is a globe and there are projections and Gleason's map closely resembles one.
Yes, I know what you mean. That's why I called it a religious conviction and insisted on differentiating it from actual reality.
As for Middleton's map I don't see how anyone could consider it being accurate in any sense.
My guess is that you don't understand what "accurate" means. Perhaps you mean "precise".
If you can prove that Gleason's map doesn't resemble the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection I would be interested in knowing your reason.
Define "resembles". For all I care, a dog resembles a cow because each has four legs. Your request is to falsify an unfalsifiable hypothesis. Unsurprisingly, I won't do that because I don't waste my times on the likes of you.
I have evidence that the map is a copy
Ah, you should have said so! By all means, present it! I'm all ears!
If you really have doubts or beliefs about the accuracy of Gleason's or Middleton's maps I would suggest you consult authorities on the subject if you question my opinions.
I'll just leave it at that. No further comments. I will leave any further research up to you.
rofl, what a pathetic cop out
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I suppose you could say that Gleason's map is not identical with the original Azimuthal Equidstant Map in one sense . Gleason just copied the map, filled in the countries and claimed he had made a "New Standard Map of the World 'As It Is'".
Why don't flat earthers check these things for themselves ? Just google on "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection" and you will find an illustration of the map , the history and the source for the map.
Research is not a cop out. If you need information you have to do some research on any subject. In this case it was map projections.
I know this forum for what it is . So no matter what any one posts you are going to say it is fake.
It's your forum. It's your game. But as long as I don't break any of your rules I'm still going to post the true facts about the earth when the opportunity presents itself. That's my game. I have a lot of fun at it as a lot others do. LOL.
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Gleason just copied the map
You keep saying that. You have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever. You claim to have it, so go ahead.
I have a lot of fun at it as a lot others do. LOL.
You really don't come across as having a lot of fun. All this religious zeal must be exhausting.
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Gleason just copied the map
You keep saying that. You have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever. You claim to have it, so go ahead.
I have a lot of fun at it as a lot others do. LOL.
You really don't come across as having a lot of fun. All this religious zeal must be exhausting.
It's not religious zeal. It's just the fun of posting true round earth facts and figures in to de-bunk weird flat earth ideas which are most often so inane and insane .Most of the time flat earth ideas are so stupid it's funny. Such as flat earth notions about the horizon. My excuse is that I worked so long as a technician that I am a confirmed realist. LOL.
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yes it was most definitely "made up" because it does not fit actual observation
In the flat Earth model only less than 25% of the Earth surface would be lit at any one time while in the round Earth model about 50% would be lit at any one time.
Assuming that people who believe the Earth is flat are most likely scattered around the world it would be fairly simple to pinpoint their location and then see if their local observation best matches the FE or RE models.
In the FE model the Antarctic even at the height of summer would only have a few hours of daylight at any one spot. Even places like Melbourne would experience a much shorter day because the sun is having to speed up as it moves to the tropic of Capricorn to complete a rotation in 24 hours.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Flat+Earth+model&view=detailv2&&id=74A8DDBF3688F974A994F68F9B47D1B28A6DE81D&selectedIndex=9&ccid=J3PUMrNH&simid=607995841707182624&thid=JN.%2bo%2bYPgI%2f0KuKABLH978DUw&ajaxhist=0
This simple animation of the FE model illustrates why the FE model does not work. A person standing in Melbourne Australia would only get light for a maximum of maybe 9 hours at the height of summer but the actual longest day is more like 14.75 hours.
It does not take any great deal of money or effort to prove that the FE model is a sham just by sun observation.
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The whole idea of a flat earth is a sham.
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The whole idea of a flat earth is a sham.
You have been warned multiple times. You should know the rules by this point. Have a day off to review them again.
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Some curious aspects of "Gleason's Map"
The map has a note of "The projection of J.S. Christopher, Modern (sic) College, Blackheath, England."
https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:7h149v85z
I have searched for information of "J.S. Christopher", but have found none.
Also , there is no "Modern" College in Blackheath, England, but there is a "Morden" College in Blackheath which seems to be sort of a charity operation as a home for poor merchants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morden_College
This is rather curious in regard to Gleason's Map ?
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Are you asking if this chapter of the Flat Earth Society has an opinion of the alleged plagiarism of the Azimuthmal Equidistant Projection by Gleason or Christopher?
To the best of my knowledge, no one cares.
Maybe no one cares, but it is just one more curiosity and one more nail in the FES coffin.
I was just asking if any one else noticed the obvious plagiararism.
Just curious. It is very obvious if you check it out.
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but it is just one more curiosity and one more nail in the FES coffin.
False.
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If you can prove it's not just a copy, is original, is "The New Standard Map Of The World", is the correct map of the world, etc, I would be interested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection
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The Gleason's Map is actually a Polar Azimuthal equidistant projection of the Globe. Heck, it's even stated on the map itself, that it's a projection! Anyways, the uneven latitude lines show an unequivocal sign of such projection. Just read Gleason's US patent application from 1895 (US 497917 A). He didn't get a patent for an already well known mapping technique which actually is an equidistant projection from a pole, but essentially for the various tools he added to the circular map which represented a novelty. In fact, the intent of his map was to create an educational apparatus:
« On the face of the map proper, and within another circle (still toward the center) is laid out the continents, principal islands, rivers and cities of the world; their latitudes and longitudes corresponding to the latitudes and longitudes of all other first class geographical globe maps or charts of the world.
(further down) The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student. The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles. »
In reply to SexWarrior who seems to use reverse psychology by pretending that all those who use the globe model would embrace some irrational "religious zeal"/belief, in fact the Flat Earth model is the religious one: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/featured/religious-references
...To the point of pretending that the equidistant projection, would be an attempt in conceptualizing a flat Earth model from its author, which is plain false.
Here's another evidence : a World Map by Peter Apian created in 1524
http://www.leventhalmap.org/id/m8769
Like for the Gleason's map it's essentially a polar projection of the globe. The difference here is that he's using a stereographic projection centered on the North Pole.
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In reply to SexWarrior who seems to use reverse psychology by pretending that all those who use the globe model would embrace some irrational "religious zeal"/belief, in fact the Flat Earth model is the religious one: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/featured/religious-references
Ah, great, so now you're putting the words of other organisations in our mouths? If I find a crazy round earther saying nonsense, can I also tell you that your beliefs are equal to his? Or are we going to be mature about this?
And no, there's no reverse psychology at play here. It also has nothing to do with the round earth belief (although of course people do often approach it with religious zeal too). Gecko, specifically, is completely detached from reality, to the point where he often forgets what he said just hours prior. Given how well documented this is here, I find it probable that any and all of his references to "reality" are in fact references to his madness-induced visions.
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I am still curious about that °Modern College" notation.....And who was "J.S. Christopher" ?........ LOL..
If it was just a mis-spelling of "Morden College" I would doubt that you would find maps produced by a home for retired merchants.
If it did refer to a "Modern College" I doubt that you would find any institution of higher learning by that name in Blackheath, England.
Perhaps TFES can clear up this point by some research on their own ?
Incidentally. Amateur Radio Operators find AEP's centered on their location useful for aiming their antennas at contacts at any direction in the globe for "DX QSO's"
( Long Distance ) The AEP is a useful for obtaining bearings or directions from the point on which the map is centered.
Adding this today .
I have sent an e-mail to Morden College in Blackheath to see if they have any information on "Modern College" or "J.S. Christopher."
I am waiting for their reply.
Does TFES have any information on that notation on Gleason's Map ?
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Another item.
How about the measurements of the distance from the earth to the moon ?
238,150 miles or 3,000 miles ?
Which of these is "a madness induced vision" ?
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BTW & FWIW.
There are at least two colleges with "Modern College" in their names - in India and Oman.
But so far, the only thing that has turned up in Blackheath, England is : "Morden College, a charity organisation for a home for retired poor merchants, dating back to 1700, founded by Sir John Morden in 1695 ."
Still searching for information on "J.S.Christopher." No luck so far.
Nice e-mail from Morden College explained the use of "College" was in the sense of a "collegiate" institution rather than to a college or university.
They could find no information on the map or J.S. Christopher but are continuing to do some more research.
The bottom line is. : " Why did Gleason put this notation on his map and what was its source ? "
I have also sent an e-mail of inquiry to The Blackheath Society. No reply has been received as yet.
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Could Gleason's use of " Modern College" and "J.S. Christopher" just have been a ruse ?
Blackheath Society also responded they had no information.
They suggested I contact Morden College, which I had already done.
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Could Gleason's use of " Modern College" and "J.S. Christopher" just have been a ruse ?
Blackheath Society also responded they had no information.
They suggested I contact Morden College, which I had already done.
I stand corrected and offer my apologies for my errors, especially to the FES.
I received an additional e-mail from Morden College with the following information.:
"Modern is a commom mis-typing of Morden." They have found frequent use of this in their records.
°Joseph Steers Christopher was a resident of Morden College from 1875 until his death in 1894 at the age of 89."
In his application for residency at Morden College, Christopher " Listed himself as a merchant , but there is no mention of any cartographic interests."
It might be that Christopher took up the study of cartography or map making as a hobby or interest during his retirement years at Morden College.
He might have used the same methods fot his own projection as stated. If so, the results would naturally resemble those of the Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection.
Since the years of 1875-1894 are within those of Rowbotham's , there might have been a Christopher-Rowbotham connection.
Morden College could find no information as to whether Christopher was a flat-earth believer or not.
There was one letter (in 1890) that Morden College was asked if there was a flat-earth believer in resident at Morden, with the comment, " Not Mr. Christopher ? "
Whether there is a Gleason-Christopher connection is another question.
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In reply to SexWarrior who seems to use reverse psychology by pretending that all those who use the globe model would embrace some irrational "religious zeal"/belief, in fact the Flat Earth model is the religious one: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/featured/religious-references
Ah, great, so now you're putting the words of other organisations in our mouths? If I find a crazy round earther saying nonsense, can I also tell you that your beliefs are equal to his? Or are we going to be mature about this?
And no, there's no reverse psychology at play here. It also has nothing to do with the round earth belief (although of course people do often approach it with religious zeal too). Gecko, specifically, is completely detached from reality, to the point where he often forgets what he said just hours prior. Given how well documented this is here, I find it probable that any and all of his references to "reality" are in fact references to his madness-induced visions.
Could you kindly give me a list of my "madness-induced visions" ?
And any which are "completely detached from reality" ?
I have tried to use the correct facts and figures in my posts, at least in the one case of the distance from the earth to the moon.
If I have made some errors of which I was unaware, I would like to correct them. Please let me know what they are so that I can correct them.
It is absoutely true about the reverse psycholgy . You have just got it backward.It is obviously apparent that some flat earthers approach it with relgious zeal, avoid all reality, with madness-induced visions, et cetera, et cetera, and so forth.
Most "Round Earthers" don't fall into any of those categories. They just approach it with reality, not believing, but knowing how things really are.from knowledge or experience. There is no "religious zeal" in "Round Earthers" althought it seems to be pesent from some "Flat Earthers."
But Flat Earthers, don't let that discourage you. Keep coming up with those ideas about how things wouid be if the earth was flat.
I find them interesting and entertaining.
Especially the ones about the blur instead of the horizon and the ship going beyond the horìzon.
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These postings were just, as one poster put it, "in the spirit of things", in reference to "Gleason's Map."
Since at least similar to the Unipolar AEP and the UN flag maps, just curious as to what FES considered it.
After doing a bit of research it seems Gleason's was just sort of an educatiional exercise for finding times in different parts of the world.
Couldn't find any definite information on Cnristopher except that he was a resident at Morden College.
Gleason did note that it was a projection, so I don't know if he was claiming it was a flat earth map.
Couldn't find any connection between Gleason and Christopher other than the notation on the map.
Alexander Gleason was a Civil Engineer who lived in Buffalo, New York. Most likely he would have been familiar with all types of maps.
It's really just a curiosity of trivial interest.
I did find another website which held the map in a lot of reigious zeal. If you didn't believe the earth was flat and you believed the earth is a globe , you weren't a " true born again believer".
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I'm just curious about the connectons between Gleason, Christopher, "Modern" College, Morden College and the map and its projection.
I haven't been able to find much except "Modern" was a common mis-spelling of "Morden."
Morden College is a charity home in Blackheath, England for retired merchants who have no income.
Christopher was a retired merchant.
Christopher was a resident at Morden College,
Gleason was a civil engineer.
Gleason lived in Buffalo, New York, in The United States Of America
I stiill haven't found any logical explanations for any connections for the above.
Did Gleason just make up the notation concerning Christopher and the projection hoping it would add an authentic note to his map ?
Were Gleason and Christopher friends or relatives ?
Does some historian have any more detailed information on these connections ?
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In reply to SexWarrior who seems to use reverse psychology by pretending that all those who use the globe model would embrace some irrational "religious zeal"/belief, in fact the Flat Earth model is the religious one: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/featured/religious-references
Ah, great, so now you're putting the words of other organisations in our mouths? If I find a crazy round earther saying nonsense, can I also tell you that your beliefs are equal to his? Or are we going to be mature about this?
And no, there's no reverse psychology at play here. It also has nothing to do with the round earth belief (although of course people do often approach it with religious zeal too). Gecko, specifically, is completely detached from reality, to the point where he often forgets what he said just hours prior. Given how well documented this is here, I find it probable that any and all of his references to "reality" are in fact references to his madness-induced visions.
It's been my observation that it is the flat earth people who approach it with religious zeal. There is at least one or two "Flat Earth Christian Forums" on the Internet.
I would be interested in a list of any of my posts which are "completely detached from reality."
If I repeat some of my posts, it is just for emphasis, hoping I will get a reply.
Also a list of "madness induced visions" ?
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I would be interested in a list of any of my posts which are "completely detached from reality."
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Also a list of "madness induced visions" ?
Read the thread again.
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Just additional comments.
No claims apparently that the map itself was any thing but a projection.
The patent was apparently for the addition of the features by Gleason, intended as a teaching tool.
Also Morden College reported that they could not find any connections between cartography and Christopher , nor any connection of exchanges of correspondence or other means between Alexander Gleason and Joseph Christopher.
The notation of "........J.S. Christopher , Modern (sic) College, Blackheath, England...." must remain something of a mystery.
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You're very excited about this clerical error in print, aren't you? Do you mind if I ask why? Do you find it somehow surprising that an American print company (or the closest equivalent thereof for the time -
mimeograph, perhaps? electrotype) would misspell Morden as Modern?
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You're very excited about this clerical error in print, aren't you? Do you mind if I ask why? Do you find it somehow surprising that an American print company (or the closest equivalent thereof for the time - mimeograph, perhaps? electrotype) would misspell Morden as Modern?
The error in mis-spelling of "Morden" as "Modern" is probably one of the least exciting things I can think of.
Morden College has explained it is just a commom error.
I'm not excited about the whole thing. Just curious.
I'm just curious about "What is the connection between Alexander Gleason, an American Civil Engineer, Joseph Christopher, a retired English merchant, Morden College, a charity home for poor retired merchants such as Joseph Christopher, and a map which is a copy of the Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe."
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The error in mis-spelling of "Morden" as "Modern" is probably one of the least exciting things I can think of.
For once, we agree. It's just that your obsession with it is a bit peculiar, to say the least.
I'm just curious about "What is the connection between Alexander Gleason, an American Civil Engineer, Joseph Christopher, a retired English merchant, Morden College, a charity home for poor retired merchants such as Joseph Christopher
What is so surprising or interesting about two people working together to produce a print? Or is it the fact that an elderly man lived in a retirement home? (You are of course incorrect about it being a "home for poor retired merchants" - that stopped being the case many decades before J. S. Christopher moved there. But you knew that already!)
and a map which is a copy of the Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe."
This continues to be incorrect regardless of however many times you say it.
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Maybe Gleason and Christopher were just distant relatives or friends.
Might be as simple as that.
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The error in mis-spelling of "Morden" as "Modern" is probably one of the least exciting things I can think of.
For once, we agree. It's just that your obsession with it is a bit peculiar, to say the least.
I'm just curious about "What is the connection between Alexander Gleason, an American Civil Engineer, Joseph Christopher, a retired English merchant, Morden College, a charity home for poor retired merchants such as Joseph Christopher
What is so surprising or interesting about two people working together to produce a print? Or is it the fact that an elderly man lived in a retirement home? (You are of course incorrect about it being a "home for poor retired merchants" - that stopped being the case many decades before J. S. Christopher moved there. But you knew that already!)
and a map which is a copy of the Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe."
This continues to be incorrect regardless of however many times you say it.
From all appearances, the map is at least based on the AEP. It certain resembles the AEP. And it is noted as a projection.