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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1320 on: December 25, 2021, 09:04:46 AM »
What would be more convincing is you posting a pharmacist with the ability to answer all the questions posed shown here in this simple Twitter post in a straightforward manner. None of the answers he provided support informed consent.


LMMFAO! You see anything in there remotely similar to what Tom presented?

Answer=no.

No one wants to see a controlled narrative.

Life =/= controlled narrative.

All you asked for was:

- Pharmacists
- answer(ing) all the questions posed shown here...in a straightforward manner

Asked for and delivered.
LMMFAO!

Wrong again.

Nothing live, no dialogue between people.

Just a fucking script. READ WHAT IS ON THE CUE CARD OR ELSE!!!
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1321 on: December 25, 2021, 09:12:17 AM »
As stated elsewhere,  more people born 1945-1960 equals more deaths now.

Has nothing to do with a president or politics.

People achieving the end of natural life expectancy.

I'd have to disagree with the conclusions you've drawn.

Of course the older demographic(s) will have a higher rate of death, but it can't be totally correlated
with the incidence of contracting Coronavirus.  You have to consider the far higher incidence of pre-existing
medical conditions as one ages, an increasingly deficient immune system, a degradation of vital bodily
organ function, a slowing metabolic rate, and an inevitable physical body frailty.

In fact, the incidence of contracting Coronavirus is more than three times higher in the 20 - 39 year
age group than it is in the 60- 79 year age group. [Australian NNDSS, 24 December.]

And of course the world record incidence and death rate has everything to do with Trump.  The following
abbreviated list of his stuff-ups is a long one, but proves the fact that Trump actually had not the faintest
notion of what he was talking about, downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic for 4 months, ignored
advice from epidemiologists and CDC data, and caused thousands of unnecessary deaths.

January:  "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s —going to be just fine".

"We do have a plan and we think it’s going to be handled very well. We’ve already handled it very well. We’re in very good shape".

"It will all work out well".

"We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!"

"We have very little problem in this country at this moment —we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us".

February:  "My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat".

Trump again claims  the coronavirus is “under control” in an impromptu South Lawn press conference.

"We’re very —very cognizant of everything going on. We have it very much under control in this country".

"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done".

"It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear".

March:  Trump spent much of the month promoting potential treatments like hydroxychloroquine.

He walked back previous statements downplaying the coronavirus by comparing it to the seasonal flu.

"The US has only 129 cases and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!"

Trump says falsely that “anybody that wants a test can get a test”.

He again compares the coronavirus to the common flu, a comparison which at that time had already been debunked.

Trump makes an error-ridden prime-time address from the Oval Office —"The vast majority of Americans, the risk is very, very low".

He incorrectly claims that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine for treating Covid-19.

Trump says "it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if things don’t go as planned it’s not going to kill anybody".

He again touts hydroxychloroquine —"Let’s see if it works. I happen to feel good about it, but who knows, I’ve been right a lot".

Trump says "I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter".

"If we have between 100,000 and 200,000 we’ve all together done a very good job", Trump says.

April: Trump claims to have the legal right to overrule governors’ shelter-in-place orders, asserting that the president’s “authority is total.”

He floats bleach as a potential coronavirus treatment:  "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs".

May:  Trump claims that the US is “the world leader” in responding to the coronavirus, and claims that the US coronavirus response "is the toast of world leaders".

"We are getting great marks for the handling of the Coronavirus pandemic;  Compare that to the Obama/Sleepy Joe disaster known as H1N1 Swine Flu".

Trump tells reporters that he is taking hydroxychloroquine.

Etc, etc, etc...

—The man was an utter disgrace as a world leader, and has made the US a laughing stock amongst
similarly wealthy, enlightened Western countries.     And, sadly, a source of pity.
Anyone who thinks Trump actually advocated the physical ingestion of bleach is in possession of or is:

The level of intellect comparable to a one cell organism
OR
A gaslighting leftist

Regardless, you wrote nothing counter to the facts I posted..
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1322 on: December 25, 2021, 07:23:35 PM »
Hey look, the leftists claiming that the blank inserts was unrepresentative of most pharmacies were completely wrong. J&J is also distributing blank package inserts. A pharmacy technician opens a sealed box on camera.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/veREM17I9j16/
« Last Edit: December 25, 2021, 11:15:15 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1323 on: December 25, 2021, 11:38:29 PM »
What would be more convincing is you posting a pharmacist with the ability to answer all the questions posed shown here in this simple Twitter post in a straightforward manner. None of the answers he provided support informed consent.


LMMFAO! You see anything in there remotely similar to what Tom presented?

Answer=no.

No one wants to see a controlled narrative.

Life =/= controlled narrative.

All you asked for was:

- Pharmacists
- answer(ing) all the questions posed shown here...in a straightforward manner

Asked for and delivered.
LMMFAO!

Wrong again.

Nothing live, no dialogue between people.

Just a fucking script. READ WHAT IS ON THE CUE CARD OR ELSE!!!

All you asked for was:

- Pharmacists
- answer(ing) all the questions posed shown here...in a straightforward manner

Asked for and delivered.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1324 on: December 25, 2021, 11:44:14 PM »
Hey look, the leftists claiming that the blank inserts was unrepresentative of most pharmacies were completely wrong. J&J is also distributing blank package inserts. A pharmacy technician opens a sealed box on camera.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/veREM17I9j16/

From May, 2021:

Fact Check-Blank Johnson & Johnson vaccine insert is not proof the company is hiding safety and efficacy information
Suggestions that Johnson & Johnson has included blank inserts in medical packaging to conceal the safety and efficacy information of its COVID-19 vaccine are false. The insert was intentionally left blank – and it includes a QR code and website to see the most up-to-date information on the jab...
“The U.S. package insert that accompanies the Janssen COVID-19 vaccine includes information regarding how to electronically access expiry dates and Food & Drug Administration (FDA)-authorized Fact Sheets, which are available at www.vaxcheck.jnj,” a Johnson & Johnson spokesperson told Reuters in an email.


Wow, you guys will fall for anything that even remotely fits your narrative.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1325 on: December 26, 2021, 01:21:37 AM »
We cracked the code! It’s not COVID, it’s deep-state anthrax attacks:

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/rumor-reawaken-america-tour-anthrax-attack/

Checkmate, scientists.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1326 on: December 26, 2021, 02:51:25 AM »
I might have fallen for it but I can spot CGI and wires too. 
You can lead flat earthers to the curve but you can't make them think!

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1327 on: December 30, 2021, 12:38:41 AM »
The issue is that the two products are "legally distinct", as indicated in the article.

EUA drugs and vaccines are given a special status that prevents lawsuits. You can't sue if an EUA drug or vaccine injures or harms you, but you have more legal standing to sue if an approved drug or vaccine injures or harms you. This is why they are playing games and not releasing the FDA approved version.

Apparently you are incorrect:

The false claim that the fully-approved Pfizer vaccine lacks liability protection

“The statement that the products are ‘legally distinct with certain differences’ refers to the differences in manufacturing information included in the respective regulatory submissions,” said Pfizer spokesperson Sharon J. Castillo in an email. “Specifically, while the products are manufactured using the same processes, they may have been manufactured at different sites or using raw materials from different approved suppliers. FDA closely reviews all manufacturing steps, and has found explicitly that the EUA and BLA [biologics license application] products are equivalent.”

“The liability protections afforded under the PREP Act are tied to the declared public health emergency and not whether the vaccine is sold under an EUA,” Castillo said. “Therefore, both Comirnaty and the Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine receive the same liability protections as medical countermeasures against covid-19.


A lawyer says that you are wrong about this and that EUA vaccines do come with special benefits.


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« Reply #1328 on: December 30, 2021, 05:17:11 AM »
The issue is that the two products are "legally distinct", as indicated in the article.

EUA drugs and vaccines are given a special status that prevents lawsuits. You can't sue if an EUA drug or vaccine injures or harms you, but you have more legal standing to sue if an approved drug or vaccine injures or harms you. This is why they are playing games and not releasing the FDA approved version.

Apparently you are incorrect:

The false claim that the fully-approved Pfizer vaccine lacks liability protection

“The statement that the products are ‘legally distinct with certain differences’ refers to the differences in manufacturing information included in the respective regulatory submissions,” said Pfizer spokesperson Sharon J. Castillo in an email. “Specifically, while the products are manufactured using the same processes, they may have been manufactured at different sites or using raw materials from different approved suppliers. FDA closely reviews all manufacturing steps, and has found explicitly that the EUA and BLA [biologics license application] products are equivalent.”

“The liability protections afforded under the PREP Act are tied to the declared public health emergency and not whether the vaccine is sold under an EUA,” Castillo said. “Therefore, both Comirnaty and the Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine receive the same liability protections as medical countermeasures against covid-19.


A lawyer says that you are wrong about this and that EUA vaccines do come with special benefits.

Lawyers say lots of things. So you found a lawyer that disagrees with the Washington Post assessment. So what?

You might want to take a note from Dr. Robert Malone who is referenced in the WaPo article I cited above (Your Lawyer was also mentioned in the article as he had made the same erroneous claims as Dr. Malone):

These claims are false, based on a misunderstanding of the law, as Malone acknowledged after we contacted him.

Malone quickly conceded his statement on the Bannon show was wrong. “When one is doing rapid analysis on the fly, one does not always get everything right,” he told The Fact Checker. “On this particular legal liability issue I did not hunt down the details myself, and relied on comments from a third party lawyer which were not fully correct.” He said the statements we received from Pfizer and HHS “are consistent with my current understanding.”

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1329 on: December 30, 2021, 05:36:11 AM »
Lawyers say lots of things. So you found a lawyer that disagrees with the Washington Post assessment. So what?

The person who wrote the article you posted is not a lawyer. The source I presented is a lawyer. You are one lawyer short of answering a legal question.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1330 on: December 30, 2021, 11:46:02 AM »
Lawyers say lots of things. So you found a lawyer that disagrees with the Washington Post assessment. So what?

The person who wrote the article you posted is not a lawyer. The source I presented is a lawyer. You are one lawyer short of answering a legal question.

You are one fallacy heavy of a real arguement.

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« Reply #1331 on: December 30, 2021, 12:28:11 PM »
So you found a lawyer that disagrees with the Washington Post assessment. So what?
So this is one of Tom’s go to debating techniques. It’s very dishonest in my view.

In any field of expertise like doctors and lawyers there are enough of them that you’re going to get a range of opinions. So it’s generally easy to find someone who backs up what you want to believe, hold them up as an expert and declare yourself right. I’d suggest that’s only valid if their opinion is common amongst professionals in the field. If it isn’t then it’s cherry picking.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #1332 on: December 30, 2021, 04:10:38 PM »
It is more as if I went to an actual lawyer for a legal opinion and you keep shouting that your cousin knows legal stuff and he could do the same or better as someone with a Juris Doctorate and that the lawyer is a quack.

Just... no.

In the video this lawyer states that he makes a living from suing pharmaceutical companies. It's not just any lawyer, it's a specialist to the niche field. That puts him far above any non-lawyer who doesn't know the intricacies of the law. You may as well be claiming that a homeless person is your source, as you don't have anything comparable.

This is just like the time you claimed that a comedian without credentials was a better authority on economic and mathematical questions than someone with a PhD in those fields.  ::)
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« Reply #1333 on: December 30, 2021, 04:31:18 PM »
It is more as if I went to an actual lawyer for a legal opinion and you keep shouting that your cousin knows legal stuff and he could do the same or better as someone with a Juris Doctorate and that the lawyer is a quack.

Just... no.

It’s almost as if you aren’t interested in addressing the substance of anything but as AATW said, cherry-picking someone who agrees with you. It’s a dead giveaway that you describe the Washington Post as a “cousin who knows legal stuff”.

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In the video this lawyer states that he makes a living from suing pharmaceutical companies. It's not just any lawyer, it's a specialist to the niche field. That put him far above any non-lawyer who doesn't know the intricacies of the law. You may as well be claiming that a homeless person is your source, as you don't have anything comparable.

What about Castillo, the Pfizer representative who makes a living off of this? It’s incredible that you are so biased that you are willing to ignore these things.

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This is just like the time you claimed that a comedian had better credentials than someone with a PhD and was an authority on economic and mathematical questions.  ::)

They weren’t an authority on mathematical questions, how did you decide that? Let me guess, a source you agree with declared them that?

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« Reply #1334 on: December 30, 2021, 06:10:52 PM »
It is more as if I went to an actual lawyer for a legal opinion
There are a lot of those. Do they all have the same opinion? What a coincidence that you keep finding experts who just happen to say things which fit your narrative.

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This is just like the time you claimed that a comedian without credentials
By which you mean someone who has a maths degree, is a former maths teacher and has written several books about maths?
The level of maths he explained in that video were not particularly advanced. At no point did you try and address his argument. He wasn’t saying what you wanted so his qualifications are downplayed. One person who happened to say what you wanted was the expert you trusted. What a coincidence.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #1335 on: January 03, 2022, 08:30:34 PM »
Fauci claims that omicron breakthrough infections among the vaccinated are so severe, it is best for vaccinated people to only hang out with vaccinated people (who can spread the virus regardless).

"The first time in history the ineffectiveness of a medicine is blamed on those who haven't taken it." - Dr. Robert Malone
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« Reply #1336 on: January 04, 2022, 12:44:36 AM »
I have been ill. Very ill.

I spent 3 whole days in bed. Unable to sleep, just sweating and sweating, a headache the whole time and all my muscles and skin was sore. My eyes hurt too much to watch TV or read so I just lay there. Bored and unhappy. Its been a long time since I've been that ill. I lost half a stone in 3 days and I was only 11 stone to begin with.

Now I don't believe it was Covid. Felt exactly like a 24 hour flu, albeit lasted longer. No snotty nose, no sore throat, no cough. It was just a straight up fever. However, this does not matter. The fact that I am unvaccinated seems to mean that
a) it must be covid and
b) I thoroughly deserve to have been that ill

I'm finding the vaccinated not to be the compassionate and loving people they profess to be. It seems they aren't interested in my welfare at all. They are only interested in being right and if my death proves that, it's a good thing. Pious bastards.   >:(
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« Reply #1337 on: January 04, 2022, 12:48:22 AM »
Now I don't believe it was Covid.
Are you telling me you got feverishly ill during a pandemic and you didn't bother to even take a self-test for the disease that's going around?
when you try to mock anyone while also running the flat earth society. Lol

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« Reply #1338 on: January 04, 2022, 12:52:53 AM »
Now I don't believe it was Covid.
Are you telling me you got feverishly ill during a pandemic and you didn't bother to even take a self-test for the disease that's going around?
I could barely crawl out of my bed for a shit, let alone go out to a place to get a test. Besides ... in my room I infected no one. Going out to get a test out of 'intellectual curiosity' would be irresponsible because I would be out potentially spreading whatever the hell it was that I had.

I decided ... am I dying? No, probably not. Ok, then I'm not going to hospital so here I shall stay.
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« Reply #1339 on: January 04, 2022, 01:01:18 AM »
I could barely crawl out of my bed for a shit, let alone go out to a place to get a test.
Ah, so it just didn't occur to you that it might be prudent to buy a self-test before you got sick while a deadly virus was making the rounds.
when you try to mock anyone while also running the flat earth society. Lol