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Other Discussion Boards => Arts & Entertainment => Topic started by: Rushy on December 02, 2015, 12:25:47 AM
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I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to the new gadgets coming in a few weeks. The HTC Vive is supposed to release here in about two weeks, with Facebook's Oculus Rift being released Q1 2016. I'm going to be preordering a Vive, assuming I'm able to before stock runs out.
For anyone that doesn't know, the new virtual reality headsets are meant to not be entirely immersive, but offer a new kind of gaming experience for the wearer. The Oculus Rift, based on statements by the developers, will be centered on a "seated experience" with accurate head tracking similar to TrackIR. I'm not going to buy the Oculus because Facebook is just a social platform, not a gaming or consumer company. Whatever they have planned for the device, I don't want any part of it.
The HTC Vive is a headset made in partnership with Valve. HTC is a fairly popular mobile device company, while Valve is a top (if not the top) PC gaming and social platform company. Valve is the company that originally helped created the Oculus Rift, but stopped doing so when Facebook acquired Oculus. The Vive is supposed to be a standing/room experience. It will come with motion controllers and a base station that detects the position of the headset, apparently very accurately.
It's impossible to actually show a video of what virtual reality is without someone experiencing it. I haven't tried any of the headsets, so I can't say exactly how good they are, but I hear a lot of good things.
Here's a quick video of the Vive's controller seen inside the game world. It gives you an answer to "why would I even want this?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCOx93MzJLI
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I want the Vive, but I will probably not afford it for a long time.
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Have we not been here before?
(http://www.emulator-zone.com/gallery/emulators/virtualboy/virtualboy.jpg)
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Have we not been here before?
We have not.
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It would be pretty sweet if Star Citizen ended up having support for VR. That would actually be super baller.
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I'll end up buying the first headset with a baseball simulator.
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The Vive was delayed until April 2016 and the Oculus is still Q1 2016. My hype has been thoroughly deflated.
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Vaporware...
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Vaporware...
That would be true if there weren't already working developer kits that were given to thousands of people.
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Vaporware...
It's definitely not vaporware, but I don't think it's the next big thing either.
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Virtual reality really is going to be the next big thing, though. These headsets represent a stepping stone. They aren't the penultimate ideal of virtual reality, but they are a proof of concept. They are proof that you can in fact trick the human mind into thinking it isn't where it actually is with just a few simple wearable devices. This is why when people say "lol virtual boy" they obviously have no idea what these new headsets even do.
We won't see extreme virtual reality until we have 16k screens with omni-treadmills and real haptics as controllers. Of course, this isn't entirely necessary, several studies (which I have tried to look up again, dammit) noted that people displayed immersion in VR regardless of graphical fidelity. They found it very interesting that the mind can apparently accept a world as real without necessitating that the world have the same visual structure as the real world. As long as the presence is persistent and the world around you can be modified by the user, immersion surfaces and the line between what is real and what isn't won't be readily apparent to the user.
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In before Facebook somehow manages to secure the rights to all forms of virtual reality.
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In before Facebook somehow manages to secure the rights to all forms of virtual reality.
They can't lock the hardware down since so many kinds already exist (PSVR, Vive, GearVR, Cardboard, etc.) but they are trying to software lock the ecosystem. Facebook wants to be the EA of virtual reality. They've already announced their "Oculus Store" bullshit.
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I'm not convinced that any hardware which requires people to wear so many gimmicky gadgets will take off as anything but a fringe interest or fad regardless of the level of immersion or price. People aren't even prepared to accept wearing what look like sunglasses to get 3D TVs, is it likely that many people are going to be happy with a big treadmill platform with a goofy headset dominating the living room?
I predict that, like 3D TVs, there is going to be a marketing saturation bomb dropped on people when the technology is finally ready, there'll be a massive initial take-up and they'll be gently rusting in sheds by the following Christmas.
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HTC Vive controller consumer version image (might be horizontally squished)
(https://i.imgur.com/E2F1jey.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NSce6wj.png)
Developer kit second edition image
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Oculus revealed their new headset and the preorders at a whopping $599. They're also charging about $50 for shipping ($140 for international) meaning the base cost of this headset is about $650.
I'm betting the Vive will be ~$700. I'll wait and see what happens. I'm not preordering anything yet.
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($140 for international)
Motherfucking what?
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($140 for international)
Motherfucking what?
That's before taxes, too. A lot of Euros, Canucks and Aussies are very not happy with the whole deal.
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$$$
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($140 for international)
Motherfucking what?
That's before taxes, too. A lot of Euros, Canucks and Aussies are very not happy with the whole deal.
Some were reporting total costs over $1,000 AUD upon checkout lolololol
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Surely they're going to sell a shit-ton of units with this price tag.
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I''m going to get one because I'm not a poorfag.
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>buying Facebook-owned shit.
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Surely they're going to sell a shit-ton of units with this price tag.
Works for apple.
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With taxes, that's about £620-£650 for a toy which will have three games for it before it's dumped by developers.
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Some interesting applications are being shown off at CES for VR: https://www.envelopvr.com/solutions
Here's some interesting gameplay from the folks that made Fantastic Contraption. They're making a new one built entirely for VR (more specifically, for the Vive): http://www.twitch.tv/colinnorthway/v/34121601
Chet Faliszek from Valve talking about the new features on the Vive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9a_8x5p3QM&feature=youtu.be
The Vive's new software/hardware suite allows it to "mix" AR/VR applications. This is huge because anyone using the headset won't necessarily have to take it off in order to interact with their surroundings. It will have passthrough and Chaperone fuctions, the previous of which will show pretty much the exact world around the user and the latter will show outlines of physical objects projected into the game world. This is to make sure you don't start running into things while inside the game. Apparently the current Vive developer hardware isn't capable of the full Chaperone system abilities. The finalized consumer version will have a better camera system.
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Some interesting applications are being shown off at CES for VR: https://www.envelopvr.com/solutions
Here's some interesting gameplay from the folks that made Fantastic Contraption. They're making a new one built entirely for VR (more specifically, for the Vive): http://www.twitch.tv/colinnorthway/v/34121601
Chet Faliszek from Valve talking about the new features on the Vive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9a_8x5p3QM&feature=youtu.be
The Vive's new software/hardware suite allows it to "mix" AR/VR applications. This is huge because anyone using the headset won't necessarily have to take it off in order to interact with their surroundings. It will have passthrough and Chaperone fuctions, the previous of which will show pretty much the exact world around the user and the latter will show outlines of physical objects projected into the game world. This is to make sure you don't start running into things while inside the game. Apparently the current Vive developer hardware isn't capable of the full Chaperone system abilities. The finalized consumer version will have a better camera system.
That's actually pretty smart. You don't have to leave the headset to find a dropped controller or to answer a phone.
Also:
www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/naughty-america-invites-you-to-experience-a-virtual-threesome-during-comic-con-300108755.html
I know, 7 months late.
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Here's another interesting look at some VR applications that don't necessarily involve videogames:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdcvhyVexVc&feature=youtu.be
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Version 2.0 will be out in a year or two at half the price with a lot of bugs worked out.
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Just pre-ordered the Vive shipping date set in April. Hype!
Three games are bundled with it: Fantastic Contraption, Job Simulator 2050 and Tiltbrush. (I also already own Elite, which works with the Vive)
These are the total games (most are just 'experiences') for the Vive so far: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?#sort_by=_ASC&vrsupport=101&page=1
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I look forward to your review, which will help determine if I buy one.
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I honestly don't think I'll be positive about it. Unless it's absolutely mind blowing I'll probably advise not to spend the money. All of this hype has set my expectation super high and I'll be disappointed if this ends up being just a monitor strapped to my face.
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Trust in Lord Gaben
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Some pretty neat new concepts for the controllers. The most amazing thing about all this is all of the genuinely new ways to play the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNMOxkmWB0Q
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that guy needs to learn how to sound volume.
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After some deep thought I have decided to cancel my HTC Vive purchase. I had extraordinary trouble justifying the price to myself and ended up recognizing that I currently need the $900 much more than I need the headset. It's a sad day and I still believe in VR, but VR will have to wait.
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Due to the resolution and framerate requirements, the technology required to run a VR headset wirelessly does not exist. Fortunately for us, MSi thinks it has a solution:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/msi-vr-one-backpack-pc-details-specs/
Just wear the entire computer on your back, cords are no longer a problem!
http://vr.msi.com/