[Tom Bishop]

Where did I say that 'corporate cabals' should be implicitly trusted?  Please read my post again, carefully this time.

It seems the entirety of your complaint here is this group being called a 'corporate cabal'.  Again, you are focusing on a word and disregarding the entire rest of the article.

You are acting as if there are no 'corporate cabals' working for the right wing trying to get laws passed.  The GOP has been "touching every aspect of the election" for decades.  Are you going to complain about them too and use their existence as proof Trump cheated in 2016?

Do you think right-wing corporate cabals are good? You seem to think so. Why do you think that?

Actually, I would have a problem if there was a corporate cabal trying to get Trump elected, to the extent that they were influencing every aspect of the election like described in the article. I supported Trump's efforts to audit the 2016 election that he won, even though the states didn't participate in the end, and would mean that he would need to resign if it was somehow found that Clinton won due to pro-Trump fraud.

I can see that you don't care if someone influenced the election in your favor, however. Your accusation that I wouldn't care is indicative that you don't care. Your message there is basically saying "why should I care? You don't"

Leftists generally don't care about election fraud. Immoral. You're probably rooting for cheating to occur for the left.

[Rama Set]

The Koch brothers spent $889M influencing the 2016 election in favor of down ballot republicans. They refused to help Trump because they think he is a dingus, but certainly used their influence to get what they wanted from Trump’s tax cuts that drastically favored the rich over the average American. They also do a lot of Astro-turfing on behalf of Conservative talking points.  They helped create the Astro-turfed Reopen movement.

Corporate interests influencing the election does not mean the election was fraudulent. Your oligarchy has many legal avenues for them to influence who gets elected and what happens once the election is done. Don’t let your caveman brain get overwhelmed by this new information. In the USA billionaires gonna billionaire and they don’t really care which party it is as long as it gets them more billions.

[JSS]

Where did I say that 'corporate cabals' should be implicitly trusted?  Please read my post again, carefully this time.

It seems the entirety of your complaint here is this group being called a 'corporate cabal'.  Again, you are focusing on a word and disregarding the entire rest of the article.

You are acting as if there are no 'corporate cabals' working for the right wing trying to get laws passed.  The GOP has been "touching every aspect of the election" for decades.  Are you going to complain about them too and use their existence as proof Trump cheated in 2016?

Do you think right-wing corporate cabals are good? You seem to think so. Why do you think that?

Actually, I would have a problem if there was a corporate cabal trying to get Trump elected, to the extent that they were influencing every aspect of the election like described in the article.

Well they are.  You think there is any part of the election process the GOP doesn't have a hand in?  You don't think their 'corporate overlords' don't spend huge amounts of money?

It seems like you are fixated on this new 'corporate cabal' label you discovered.  It's just a word.  You can call either side a 'corporate cabal' or not.  It's just name calling.

In my opinion the GOP does far worse than what's described in the article with their voter suppression tactics. 

[Tom Bishop]

First there was no fraud. Then no 'widespead' fraud. Now the election was manipulated and fortified top to bottom by an anonymous cabal of leftist elites to save us from ourselves. 

[Rama Set]

First there was no fraud. Then no 'widespead' fraud. Now the election was manipulated and fortified top to bottom by an anonymous cabal of leftist elites to save us from ourselves. 

Lol.

[Iceman]

Its unacceptable that corporate interest groups used their leverage to influence the election! Or, at least, its unacceptable now that a left-wing socialist commie gun-stealing, tax-hiking, snowflake stuttering old man democrat has been elected

[JSS]

First there was no fraud. Then no 'widespead' fraud. Now the election was manipulated and fortified top to bottom by an anonymous cabal of leftist elites to save us from ourselves. 

Yes, we have to clarify with 'no widespread fraud' now because Republicans were pointing to literally 1 or 2 cases and saying "See, look, fraud! You said no fraud!"

So now we leftist elites have to be pedantic.

Also, apparently I'm part of a cabal now due to my cheating by voting for the wrong president. Or something.

Trump lost, deal with it.  There was no widespread fraud, and just because someone used a scary word like 'cabal' in an article is no reason to panic.  I can see 'cabal' is now going to be someones favorite word for a week or two.

[Action80]

First there was no fraud. Then no 'widespead' fraud. Now the election was manipulated and fortified top to bottom by an anonymous cabal of leftist elites to save us from ourselves. 

Yes, we have to clarify with 'no widespread fraud' now because Republicans were pointing to literally 1 or 2 cases and saying "See, look, fraud! You said no fraud!"

So now we leftist elites have to be pedantic.

Also, apparently I'm part of a cabal now due to my cheating by voting for the wrong president. Or something.

Trump lost, deal with it.  There was no widespread fraud, and just because someone used a scary word like 'cabal' in an article is no reason to panic.  I can see 'cabal' is now going to be someones favorite word for a week or two.

The fraud that took place was specifically targeted.

[Lord Dave]

First there was no fraud. Then no 'widespead' fraud. Now the election was manipulated and fortified top to bottom by an anonymous cabal of leftist elites to save us from ourselves. 

Yes, we have to clarify with 'no widespread fraud' now because Republicans were pointing to literally 1 or 2 cases and saying "See, look, fraud! You said no fraud!"

So now we leftist elites have to be pedantic.

Also, apparently I'm part of a cabal now due to my cheating by voting for the wrong president. Or something.

Trump lost, deal with it.  There was no widespread fraud, and just because someone used a scary word like 'cabal' in an article is no reason to panic.  I can see 'cabal' is now going to be someones favorite word for a week or two.

The fraud that took place was specifically targeted.

Stop being dumb.  We all know what "widespread" means.  And it does not mean "two votes in a county"

[JSS]

First there was no fraud. Then no 'widespead' fraud. Now the election was manipulated and fortified top to bottom by an anonymous cabal of leftist elites to save us from ourselves. 

Yes, we have to clarify with 'no widespread fraud' now because Republicans were pointing to literally 1 or 2 cases and saying "See, look, fraud! You said no fraud!"

So now we leftist elites have to be pedantic.

Also, apparently I'm part of a cabal now due to my cheating by voting for the wrong president. Or something.

Trump lost, deal with it.  There was no widespread fraud, and just because someone used a scary word like 'cabal' in an article is no reason to panic.  I can see 'cabal' is now going to be someones favorite word for a week or two.

The fraud that took place was specifically targeted.

Yes it was. Trump cheated! In Pennsylvania the three votes fraudulent they found were all targeted at helping Trump. Three.

The simple, verifiable fact is that nobody can find more than a handful of fraudulent votes. Nowhere near the MILLIONS needed to put Trump first in the popular vote like he claims.

If you need millions and can only find... well a few that are fraud in TRUMPS favor... your argument is very very poor, lacking in facts and logic.

You fail to make your case, just as Trump failed to make his case to the public. You have both lost.

[Tom Bishop]

Wrong. The cases are ongoing, with many of the adjucated cases favoring Trump.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/trump-is-winning-election-lawsuits-in-case-you-havent-heard

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Wrong. The cases are ongoing, with many of the adjucated cases favoring Trump.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/trump-is-winning-election-lawsuits-in-case-you-havent-heard

I would suggest you look very closely at the data that this propaganda blogger has cited. It is the most saddest, most desperate cherries picked by a sad, desperate cherry picker.

It is a level of spin that Putin would be proud of.

[AATW]

I would suggest you look very closely at the data that this propaganda blogger has cited. It is the most saddest, most desperate cherries picked by a sad, desperate cherry picker.

It is a level of spin that Putin would be proud of.

Who needs to look at the details when you can cherry pick your source and bold the words which you think make your case?
Another excellent, reliable source from Tom.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/life-site-news/

I note that none of these "big wins" relate to dead people voting, people out of state voting, Dominion machines "flipping" votes etc, etc.
Almost like there's no evidence for these things which will stand up to any scrutiny...

[Rama Set]

Oh wow. A team of scientists and engineers decided to weigh in on legal matters. Tom’s standards of expertise in full force today. lol

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Oh wow. A team of scientists and engineers decided to weigh in on legal matters. Tom’s standards of expertise in full force today. lol

Dig into wiseenergy dot org.   Utter propaganda. No real science...

[JSS]

Wrong. The cases are ongoing, with many of the adjucated cases favoring Trump.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/trump-is-winning-election-lawsuits-in-case-you-havent-heard

This is just hilarious.

I looked at the source for this data, and a lot of these so-called wins occurred BEFORE the election.  Most of them dealt with trivial matters that had NOTHING to do with voter fraud. None of these have ANYTHING to do with the MASSIVE WIDESPREAD FRAUD OF MILLIONS OF VOTES that Trump has been crying about, and does not exist.

Lets look at these wins of Trump that are listed.

1. The GOP sued Iowa in August BEFORE THE ELECTION because ballots had some information pre-filled, like the applicants name. The GOP wins the case, Iowa re-sends blank ballots. NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAUD, doesn't change anything.

2. Minnesota has to keep track of late ballots and set them aside after counting. NO EFFECT on the outcome, the votes were still counted. They just are in separate boxes now in storage.

3. The GOP asks for extending poll hours. Granted. NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAUD. It probably got Trump some more votes, but he STILL LOST.

4. The GOP demands PA not let people supply ID after voting ends.  GOP wins, and some votes are thrown out. No fraud here, both Democratic and Republican votes were thrown out, and Biden still won PA by a significant margin. Trump STILL LOST.

Then the rest, what a bunch of nothing.  The GOP sues to get access to voter data before the election.  Wow, big win there that doesn't change anything at all.

This entire article is garbage and cherry picking of the worst kind.

There is nothing, nothing at all in here that indicates Trump has even the slightest chance of overturning the election. 

It's all hand waving and misdirection.  Show one lawsuit that found massive fraud?  There isn't.  Find one lawsuit in progress that could overturn the entire election... none.

It's over.  Trump lost.  Get over it.

If you keep your hopes up like this, they are just going to keep getting crushed every day that nothing happens and Biden continues to sit in the White House. 

[Tom Bishop]

The cases weren't about "trivial matters." Among the few things you got right in that is that these aren't fraud cases. Few of them are. Therefore the constant claims that "Trump lost 60 cases" as the proof against voter fraud is bunk and tells us nothing about the veracity of fraud which has occurred. They weren't about fraud. Fraud tends to be much more complex, and can take years to properly litigate.

The fact that some cases were started before the election is also irrelevant considering that Dems were attempting to fiddle with the mechanics of the election and change voting laws.

All in all, Trump won many of the cases which were adjucated. You wanted to look at all of the cases, so here they are. The bulk majority aren't about fraud, and your insistence that they need to be about fraud makes you guys look foolish in light of your previous claims on the subject and useage of the cases in response to allegations of fraud.

[Rama Set]

The cases weren't about "trivial matters." Among the few things you got right in that is that these aren't fraud cases. Few of them are. Therefore the constant claims that "Trump lost 60 cases" as the proof against voter fraud is bunk and tells us nothing about the veracity of fraud which has occurred. They weren't about fraud. Fraud tend to be much more complex, and takes years to properly litigate.

The fact that some cases were started before the election is also irrelevant considering that Dems were attempting to fiddle with the mechanics of the election and change voting laws.

What a boring and sad attempt to try and divert the narrative.

[Roundy]

The cases weren't about "trivial matters." Among the few things you got right in that is that these aren't fraud cases. Few of them are. Therefore the constant claims that "Trump lost 60 cases" as the proof against voter fraud is bunk and tells us nothing about the veracity of fraud which has occurred. They weren't about fraud. Fraud tend to be much more complex, and takes years to properly litigate.

Wow.  Tom undermines his own argument and thinks he's helping it. The mental gymnastics involved to keep this going... I just can't anymore, lol

[JSS]

The cases weren't about "trivial matters." Among the few things you got right in that is that these aren't fraud cases. Few of them are. Therefore the constant claims that "Trump lost 60 cases" as the proof against voter fraud is bunk and tells us nothing about the veracity of fraud which has occurred. They weren't about fraud. Fraud tends to be much more complex, and can take years to properly litigate.

You are the one claiming there is massive fraud, and that Trump is somehow winning... but your own sources show that these cases don't have anything to do with fraud.

Your argument seems to be there is fraud, but the fact that Trump lost every case about fraud and that most other cases have nothing to do with fraud means... that in a few years we will suddenly see him start to file cases and will win them and THEN he will be President!

That's weak, even for the whole 'Trump won' nonsense conspiracy theory.

There was no fraud. If there was all this 'proof' would have been released by now. It hasn't. We have nothing, no evidence of anything. It's all lies Trump has been telling, none of it has turned out to be true.

Trump lost, get over it.