[Iceman]

 So far the evidence here has been arguments that rediculous anomalies are possible and that "Joe Biden got more votes". Pretty poor.

That's literally been the standard of evidence for every election. ...ever. "joe biden got more votes" is the definition of winning a democratic election.

[Tom Bishop]

 So far the evidence here has been arguments that rediculous anomalies are possible and that "Joe Biden got more votes". Pretty poor.

That's literally been the standard of evidence for every election. ...ever. "joe biden got more votes" is the definition of winning a democratic election.

The question was whether there was supporting statistical evidence that Joe Biden got more votes, in order to contradict the many negative statistical anomalies. Your answer is that Joe Biden got more votes. Rather poor evidence there.

It doesn't answer the question at all and just restates what is being questioned.

[AATW]

Already discussed at length and shown to be false. You are unable to show that the bulk of the cases were dismissed on merit

I don't know about the bulk of them. Some of them I agree were dismissed because the people filing cases for Trump were so incompetent they couldn't even file cases which made sense. But at the ones where they managed to get that right when evidence was presented the judges laughed it out of court. I have shown you video of that happening. You have been shown transcripts of that happening.

Your argument is that a person accused of murder needs to prove they didn't do it. That isn't how any of this works.
Trump is alleging fraud. Many people who hang on his every word like he's some cult leader believe him for some reason.
They had 60 cases to try and show some evidence which would stand up in court and failed.
Every recount reaffirmed the original result.
Every audit reaffirmed the original result.
Every State certified their results.
The Electoral College voted Biden in.
He is the President.

You have no positive evidence to present, as you continue to argue from a desperate position.

Joe Biden is sitting in the Oval Office, yours is the desperate case.

I'm sorry you follow a loser. The only person to lose the popular vote twice and be impeached twice.
But continuing to have a tantrum about it doesn't change the reality of who your President is.

[AATW]

The question was whether there was supporting statistical evidence that Joe Biden got more votes

Yes there is. They counted them all. I'd suggest the number of votes is a pretty significant statistic in an election.
Biden got more than Trump. By a lot.
It's not me saying it, it's election officials throughout the US, many of whom are Republicans.

[Tom Bishop]

Being in the oval office doesn't prove that he was legitimately elected. Here is a senator who was pulled from office due to heinous democrat fraud which was finally litigated two years after he was sworn in - https://web.archive.org/web/20201114182126/https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-02-20-1994051024-story.html

I don't know about the bulk of them.

If you don't know, then you are admitting to baselessly repeating your claim that the court cases were dismissed on merit.

Every audit reaffirmed the original result.

Incorrect.

audit will go the way of every other audit this election

Nope. The court ordered and vetted the antrim machine audit, the only machine audit to occur, and found damning results.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20423772/antrim-county-forensics-report.pdf

"We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud. Based on our study, we conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not be used in Michigan. We further conclude that the results of Antrim County should not have been certified."

The audit also found that the logs were missing:

"Likewise, all server security logs prior to 11:03 pm on November 4, 2020 are
missing. This means that all security logs for the day after the election, on
election day, and prior to election day are gone. Security logs are very important
to an audit trail, forensics, and for detecting advanced persistent threats and
outside attacks, especially on systems with outdated system files. These logs
would contain domain controls, authentication failures, error codes, times users
logged on and off, network connections to file servers between file accesses,
internet connections, times, and data transfers. Other server logs before
November 4, 2020 are present; therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for
the security logs to be missing."

The auditors also said that there was evidence showing that the counts were flipped -
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/redacted-information-in-dominion-audit-report-shows-races-were-flipped-analyst_3625228.html

In Savannah, Georgia Machine Audit the court appointed expert from the Antrim county audit says Georgia tabulation machines were sending data to Germany and China - https://streamable.com/cad03h | Source 2

An Arizona audit found enough fraud to flip election, per Rep Paul Gosar:

https://twitter.com/DrPaulGosar



Arizona Supervisors then refused to comply with further subpoenas.

[garygreen]

What proof did they present that the votes were legitimate?

https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/01/940786321/barr-doj-has-no-evidence-of-fraud-affecting-2020-election-outcome

"To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election," Barr said.

Barr said that U.S. attorneys and the FBI have looked into specific allegations but that they have found nothing that would affect the outcome of the election.

the top law enforcement officer in the nation says that they investigated these claims and found them to be false. you are simply not qualified to refute the proofs of doj lawyers, fbi investigators, and election officials. sorry.

[Tom Bishop]

What proof did they present that the votes were legitimate?

https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/01/940786321/barr-doj-has-no-evidence-of-fraud-affecting-2020-election-outcome

"To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election," Barr said.

Barr said that U.S. attorneys and the FBI have looked into specific allegations but that they have found nothing that would affect the outcome of the election.

the top law enforcement officer in the nation says that they investigated these claims and found them to be false. you are simply not qualified to refute the proofs of doj lawyers, fbi investigators, and election officials. sorry.

This is not positive evidence. This is negative evidence of someone saying they didn't see something. You have no good positive evidence.

I also have quotes from over a dozen government officials saying the contrary, that there are numerous discrepancies, lots of evidence of fraud, and that the election is questionable.

Once again, where is your positive statistical  evidence to support Joe Biden's win to contradict the negative statistical evidence against him?

Where is your machine forensic audit which shows the Dominion machines to be flawless, to contradict the machine forensic audit suggesting fraud?

You can't present any good positive evidence because you don't have any, as you are arguing from a weak position.

[garygreen]

This is not positive evidence. This is negative evidence of someone saying they didn't see something. You have no good positive evidence.

if i search my entire refrigerator for a carton of eggs and fail to find a carton of eggs, that is positive evidence that my fridge does not contain a carton of eggs.

the top law enforcement official of the most powerful and well-resourced investigatory agency in human history says that they investigated the claims you're making and found them to be false. you are simply not qualified to refute their conclusions. sorry.

[Tom Bishop]

This is not positive evidence. This is negative evidence of someone saying they didn't see something. You have no good positive evidence.

if i search my entire refrigerator for a carton of eggs and fail to find a carton of eggs, that is positive evidence that my fridge does not contain a carton of eggs.

the top law enforcement official of the most powerful and well-resourced investigatory agency in human history says that they investigated the claims you're making and found them to be false. you are simply not qualified to refute their conclusions. sorry.

The quote you provided does not say that they investigated the particular claims made. They did machine forensic audits on Dominion? Really? Where?

You provided a quote from someone who says that they didn't see something.

People who have been hired by the Department of Justice as experts have said the contrary, that there is evidence of fraud - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988

[Rama Set]

Being in the oval office doesn't prove that he was legitimately elected. Here is a senator who was pulled from office due to heinous democrat fraud which was finally litigated two years after he was sworn in - https://web.archive.org/web/20201114182126/https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-02-20-1994051024-story.html

I don't know about the bulk of them.

If you don't know, then you are admitting to baselessly repeating your claim that the court cases were dismissed on merit.

Every audit reaffirmed the original result.

Incorrect.

Please show us an audit of election results that contradicted the certified result.  All you can show is some alleged experts saying "these machines are whack!"

audit will go the way of every other audit this election

Nope. The court ordered and vetted the antrim machine audit, the only machine audit to occur, and found damning results.

That wasn't an audit of the election results was it?  The audit of election results in antrim county agree with the certified result.

The auditors also said that there was evidence showing that the counts were flipped -
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/redacted-information-in-dominion-audit-report-shows-races-were-flipped-analyst_3625228.html

In Savannah, Georgia Machine Audit the court appointed expert from the Antrim county audit says Georgia tabulation machines were sending data to Germany and China - https://streamable.com/cad03h | Source 2

In Georgia, the audit of votes found agreement between the hand marked ballots and the certified results. 

An Arizona audit found enough fraud to flip election, per Rep Paul Gosar:

https://twitter.com/DrPaulGosar

Wow, a senator quoting Trump.  What a super legitimate source.

Arizona Supervisors then refused to comply with further subpoenas.

They refused to agree to the subpoenas because it is beyond the authority of the senate to take the sealed ballots.  There is an audit underway, there is nothing being hidden, they just don't want government overstepping their bounds.

if i search my entire refrigerator for a carton of eggs and fail to find a carton of eggs, that is positive evidence that my fridge does not contain a carton of eggs.

the top law enforcement official of the most powerful and well-resourced investigatory agency in human history says that they investigated the claims you're making and found them to be false. you are simply not qualified to refute their conclusions. sorry.

Not only that, but reportedly, "The president's theories about a stolen election, Barr told Trump, were "bullshit."

[AATW]

Being in the oval office doesn't prove that he was legitimately elected

But it's up to you to prove that he wasn't.

If you don't know, then you are admitting to baselessly repeating your claim that the court cases were dismissed on merit.

I've shown you a video of a judge dismissing the evidence as a steaming pile of garbage.
You have been shown transcripts of other judges doing the same.
So yes, some of the cases were dismissed because the legal team were so incompetent they couldn't even file court cases correctly.
But you have claimed that the judges wouldn't even look at the evidence. That has been shown quite clearly to be a lie.

Incorrect.

If your counter argument is merely "nuh-uh" then I'll just take that as you conceding the point.

[Tom Bishop]

Nope. You know that Bill Barr did not conduct a forensic audit on the Dominion machines to investigate all claims. The assertion that they investigated everything is false.

Your evidence is weak. You have no good positive evidence to present.

But it's up to you to prove that he wasn't.

Evidence for fraud has been provided in spades.

You have no contradictory positive evidence to present. You only have excuses and negative forms of evidence.

[Rama Set]

The quote you provided does not say that they invetstigated the particular claims made. They did machine forensic audits on Dominion? Really? Where?

Please provide positive evidence that they did not perform audits on machines.  lol

You provided a quote from someone who says that they didn't see something.

Who are you to dispute the expertise of Bill Barr?  Some internet rando?  lol

People who have been hired by the Department of Justice as experts have said the contrary, that there is evidence of fraud - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988

Yes there is evidence.  "There is some weak but inconsistent evidence of vote fraud for Georgia and Pennsylvania." lol

His paper is not peer reviewed and has been characterized as "long on fear mongering and failure to grapple seriously with evidence." by an expert in election law.  Who are you to dispute an expert in election law? lol

[garygreen]

The quote you provided does not say that they invetstigated the particular claims made. They did machine forensic audits on Dominion? Really? Where?

this is one of the perils of letting other people do research for you instead of doing it yourself.

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

Barr didn’t name Powell specifically but said: “There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that.”
[...]
“Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. ... And those have been run down; they are being run down,” Barr said. “Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/12/934377227/no-evidence-election-was-compromised-cybersecurity-agency-says

"When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary," members of committees, which include officials from the U.S. Election Assistance Commission and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency said in a joint statement.

"This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."

the top law enforcement official of the most powerful and well-resourced investigatory agency in human history, and the election security experts in charge of securing our elections, say that they investigated the claims you're making and found them to be false. you are simply not qualified to refute their conclusions. sorry.

[Rama Set]

Nope. You know that Bill Barr did not conduct a forensic audit on the Dominion machines to investigate all claims.

Instead of telling people what they do and do not know why don't you provide positive evidence they did not conduct a forensic audit on Dominion machines.

The assertion that they investigated everything is false.

Making a claim without evidence.  Thank you for conceding the point.

Your evidence is weak. You have no good positive evidence to present.

Bill Barr is an expert in criminal investigation.  He said there is no evidence of widespread fraud.  Who are you to dispute that?

Evidence for fraud has been provided in spades.

You have no contradictory positive evidence to present. You only have excuses and negative forms of evidence.

We have 81,000,000 counted votes and 100% of audits of those vote counts upholding the certified results.  This is positive evidence that you are unable to dispute, only provide excuses and negative forms of evidence. lol

[AATW]

Evidence for fraud has been provided in spades.

"Not all evidence is created equal" - AATW.

None of the "evidence" provided has stood up to the flimsiest scrutiny. That's why Biden is sitting in the Oval office. Soz.

[stack]

Being in the oval office doesn't prove that he was legitimately elected. Here is a senator who was pulled from office due to heinous democrat fraud which was finally litigated two years after he was sworn in - https://web.archive.org/web/20201114182126/https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-02-20-1994051024-story.html

Was the Senator removed because of positive statistical evidence?

People who have been hired by the Department of Justice as experts have said the contrary, that there is evidence of fraud - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988

Regarding the paper you cited:

Comment on “A Simple Test for the Extent of Voter Fraud with Absentee Ballots in the 2020 Presidential Election”∗
Andrew C. Eggersa, Haritz Garrob, and Justin Grimmerca
Political Science. University of Chicago
Democracy and Polarization Lab. Stanford University
Democracy and Polarization Lab, Political Science, and Hoover Institution. Stanford University

"In short, Lott’s (2020) analysis provides no evidence of anything distinctive or suspicious about the absentee ballot results in either Fulton County or Allegheny County."
https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/research/docs/comment_voterfraud_grimmer_garro_eggers.pdf

[Lord Dave]

I put Tom on ignore.

I feel so much better reading this thread.

[Tom Bishop]

The quote you provided does not say that they invetstigated the particular claims made. They did machine forensic audits on Dominion? Really? Where?

this is one of the perils of letting other people do research for you instead of doing it yourself.

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

Barr didn’t name Powell specifically but said: “There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that.”
[...]
“Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. ... And those have been run down; they are being run down,” Barr said. “Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”

Nope. Read your quote. It certainly does not say that they seized machines and conducted a forensic audit. It says that they "looked into" it, which could mean various things.

the top law enforcement official of the most powerful and well-resourced investigatory agency in human history, and the election security experts in charge of securing our elections, say that they investigated the claims you're making and found them to be false. you are simply not qualified to refute their conclusions. sorry.

If you want to go by "top law enforcement official" as your standard you fail there as well. Trump was the top law enforcement official of the executive branch (which includes the Justice Department) during the election, and he said that there was fraud.

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=rory_little_1

[AATW]

Trump was the top law enforcement official of the executive branch (which includes the Justice Department) during the election,

"They are saying what a wonderful job the Trump administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true"
- Donald J. Trump.