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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Eurovision
« on: May 25, 2023, 10:16:48 AM »
You're suggesting I was intending to mislead? Really?
Yes, and I explained to you why I think so. You're encouraged to reply.

What was I trying to do
Yes, that is the question I asked you. I'd be very keen to hear your answer.

But sure, I don't know for a fact. So yeah, my bad, I don't actually know one way or another.

It just felt like pointless pedantry. We all agree this doesn't really matter. In general I do think that truth matters, but there's no consequence here.
It was pointless, inconsequential, and unimportant, and therefore you fought back. Even if you don't see why that would be suspicious, you must see why it would come across as strange.

I'm not at all convinced that the notion is "incredibly popular", or even popular at all. It sounds to me like you're mistaking seeing lots of posts on social media expressing that viewpoint for the viewpoint being common.

Please remember that SoMe is extremely unrepresentative of the population, with some voices being artificially amplified or suppressed. This isn't even necessarily intentional - it's just that emotive posting attracts responses, and the recommendation algorithms like engagement.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Eurovision
« on: May 24, 2023, 09:31:44 PM »
I think a better question would be why you are obsessing over this tiny detail when you've just agreed it doesn't matter.
Because that's how the seed of disinformation* is planted, textbook-style. Many of those of us with a sceptical eye will take an issue with you so casually planting disinformation and then insisting "it doesn't matter" when it's highlighted. It rightly arouses suspicion, for the first time ever, around your intentions.

The normal course of action, since you agree the issue is unimportant, would be to say "oh, huh, yeah, my bad, I don't actually know one way or another" and to move on. After all, the issue is unimportant, and you are not invested in it. But you can't do that. You have to fight back, you always do.

Why do you have to fight back, AATW? Where is this drive coming from? Explain your intentions, so I do not have to speculate about them.

* - Since I expect you to abuse terminology here, as you've been known to do so before, I'm providing a reference for the words "disinformation" and "misinformation" in advance - I mean them as described in this article.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 15, 2023, 05:31:29 PM »
why on earth would he appeal? this judgement is a huge win for trump.
Because he could win again - don't forget, the goal is to make us tired of winning.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Eurovision
« on: May 15, 2023, 11:38:48 AM »
Then it's not mansplaining, is it?
It most certainly is. The word "mansplaining" originated as a gender-specific term more than a decade ago, but it has since evolved to represent a general attitude - that of an arrogant person confidently explaining something they have little knowledge about to someone of equal of greater level of expertise than themselves, presenting themselves as superior to the mansplainee. It's still commonly associated to men talking down to someone (n.b., not women), but it's hardly a requirement.

Now, you're gonna go on a truly heart-tugging story about your iNtEnTiOnS, I know; but you simply have to work on how you present yourself. If it talks like a duck, and walks like a duck, etc., etc.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Eurovision
« on: May 15, 2023, 10:38:20 AM »
You can fuck off with that shit. My gender and yours are irrelevant.
Indeed, your mansplaining has extremely little to do with your gender, and extremely much to do with your attitude.

Flat Earth Media / Re: New Photos of Moon suggest Flat Earth?
« on: May 12, 2023, 07:17:15 PM »
There are mainstream narratives I don’t believe, thank you for asking.

Such as?
This is a very interesting question, and it's a shame our resident sceptic didn't find it in himself to answer.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 10, 2023, 07:30:59 PM »
It is perfectly possible that Trump is a despicable person and a serial abuser, and that the American justice system is nonsensical at the same time. Countering Rushy's point of "the system is insane" with "but Trump bad" is not really addressing what he's saying.

AATW - your proposed system has a critical flaw. If we accept that Trump has grossly misconducted himself around women in the past, and that that is sufficient evidence for future accusations, then any woman aged 40 and up should be able to accuse him of rape and get, say, $10-$20k automatically per accusation. After all, he's done bad things before, so why would we doubt every single accusation?

Which, ngl, is kinda based from my radical anti-capitalist perspective, but I'm not sure I'm brave enough to propose it publicly as you did. I suspect it would cause any proponent not to be taken very seriously.

Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors
« on: May 08, 2023, 09:17:28 AM »
if they were just making this stuff up, they wouldn't have to wait another 2 or 3 years to actually work out how to build something.
As the resident expert in epistemology, how have you established that they have to wait 2 or 3 years, as opposed to simply deciding to?

You'd do well to learn about the Flat Earth Theory before coming here and claiming you're ready to resolve the debate once and for all. Your idea is not original, and by acting the way you are, you're showing a lot of disrespect to both sides of the discussion.

I think that's a very cool idea! I don't immediately have any suggestions, but I'd be very keen to see how it develops!

So your position is that a random guy on the web messing around with autocad and some eclipse data has single-handedly debunked centuries of heliocentric geometry in about 90 minutes, ergo, the earth is flat? And nary a Nobel to show for it? I guess I forgot that everything on the internet is true and should be taken unquestionably as such. Compelling argument.

I suppose equally compelling, the flat earth model doesn't even have a usable, relevant map, let alone work GEOMETRICALLY, even though you've had thousands of years to make it work.
Yes, I suppose humans don't usually look at where and when the predictability of an eclipse totality will occur. A truly novel approach. Perhaps people just randomly show up somewhere snd get lucky...

And I'm guessing you have verified this random guy's findings as well. Especially comparing it to your flat earth map...Oh wait, that's right, there's no such thing as a flat earth map. I wonder how you lot get yourselves and your stuff from point A to point B without getting lost. I guess it's just by happenstance.
Stack, take your crap where it belongs, unless you're requesting another vacation. This is the nicest I'll ever be to you on this subject.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Do liberal elites worship Satan?
« on: April 29, 2023, 05:29:07 PM »
As a member of the liberal elite, I confirm that we all worship Satan. This is not a secret, you could have just asked.

I'll have you know I am functionally illiterate and have no idea how IRC works as I use discord.
Instead of whining about the fact that you don't know something, just Google it. There is no need to repeatedly spam this thread with "hurrrr idk how IRC works"

Globe model wants you to believe that when you're 2 km underground you're 2 km closer to the center of the Earth, but there's no such thing as the center of the globe Earth because the Earth isn't a globe. So in reality what you're doing when you go underground is getting further away from the center of whatever is causing gravity, which explains the decrease in weight. Easily shown and understood with a simple sketch:

Disclaimer: I am not a Round Earther, but I don't think you're representing RE correctly here. In their model, gravitation is not caused by some "element", but rather the entirety of the Earth. Matter pulls other matter towards itself. So, as you go undeground, there is a little bit less Earth underneath you, and a little more Earth above you. All of that still exhibits a pull on you, but not all of it points downward.

It's important that we don't strawman each other in these discussions - what's the point of disproving a RE model that no RE'er believes? We don't like it when they do it to us - let's be better.

A more pressing question for the FE community would be: 'why does g vary at all - surely it should be the same everywhere if any of the FE models are correct?'.
Similarly, this is an intentional misrepresentation of FE. If you can't have this discussion without fairly comparing the sides, consider not participating.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: An entire thread disappeared?
« on: April 18, 2023, 09:09:20 PM »
Hey A80,

The thread was moved to Complete Nonsense, and can still be found here.

The reason is that we've realised the author of the thread is an alt of a prolific troll - pricelesspearl - whose entire MO is to make Round Earth sound stupid by posting ludicrous arguments "in favour" of RE. He (and many of his alts) has been permabanned on the forum for quite some time, so the alt should have been spotted and banned much sooner than it was - that's on us. However, now that we did spot it, the alt has been added to the permaban, and since the thread was started under dishonest premises, it's been moved out of the public-facing boards.

Ah, this went about as well as I expected. Thank you, Tom!

But her posts seem pretty reasonable to me.
That's surprising, though potentially attributatble to you not knowing much about her.

EDIT: I forgot Elon unbanned her personal account. Now that it's back up, we don't need to rely on a screenshot, so here's a direct link:

I appreciate your willingness to engage in this discussion. It's important to note that the Flat Earth community is not only focused on photographic evidence. We also emphasize the importance of empirical observations and physical measurements that can be conducted by individuals, which we believe support the flat Earth model.

I understand that many people believe there are countless photographs demonstrating a globe Earth. However, we maintain that these images can be manipulated or altered, and thus cannot be considered as definitive proof.

An acceptable source for a photograph of Earth as a globe would need to meet several criteria:
  • Independence: The source should be impartial and have no vested interest in promoting either the flat or round Earth theories.
  • Verification: The photograph should be accompanied by a clear and transparent explanation of the equipment used, the methods employed to capture the image, and any post-processing that was done.
  • Reproducibility: The photograph should be able to be independently reproduced by other parties using the same equipment and methods.
  • Consistency: The photograph should be consistent with other verifiable observations and measurements of the Earth's shape.

An acceptable source for a globe photograph would be one that is independently verifiable and not subject to potential manipulation by any organization or government. This could involve a transparent and open process, where multiple independent parties are involved in capturing and verifying the image, ensuring no opportunity for tampering.

Moreover, it would be ideal if everyday individuals could replicate the process and obtain similar results, further bolstering the authenticity of the evidence. Until such a source and methodology are provided, we will continue to question the validity of globe Earth photographs and advocate for the flat Earth theory.

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