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Title: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Pickel B Gravel on January 13, 2018, 08:50:40 PM
Was it a staged shooting? I believe so.  There's no evidence a shooting happened (video evidence, photos of dead bodies, etc), no investigation into the shooting by independent researchers (how could they? The school was torn down immediately after the alleged shooting), and there is much inconsistencies about the whole thing. So, by default, I am forced to conclude that it is more logical to believe a shooting never happened, and because of the many inconsistencies (sealing evidence, father of a victim laughing before changing mood, etc), I'm not convinced that the official narrative can stand scrutiny. I think that the alternative explanations are somewhat better (though I admit that I'm open-minded to all sides). It looks like the only real evidence of a shooting is the testimonies, which aren't consistent and which are not evidence. If I am to accept testimony as evidence, am I not committing a logical fallacy? Am I not appealing to authority? Why not accept eyewitness testimony of Bigfoot or aliens as fact if I am to accept the sandy hook shooting testimonies as fact? Why is more weight given to one source of testimonies than the other? Because one involves the government's involvement? Again, isn't that fallacious and appealing to authority? What are your thoughts? Please, I want serious answers, for this is a serious inquiry. Thanks!
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: garygreen on January 13, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
of course it was a hoax.  obama and the dnc orchestrated sandy hook as a pretext for repealing the second amendment and securing a third term for obama.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Rama Set on January 13, 2018, 09:19:55 PM
I love it when people conflate not having access to evidence as equal to “there is no evidence”
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Lord Dave on January 13, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
Yeah.  I mean, why wouldn't they release crime scene photos of dead children and show it on the evening news?  Thats just unamerican.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: honk on January 14, 2018, 04:26:50 AM
father of a victim laughing before changing mood

Nobody ever laughs at any point of the grieving process. Grief is a very simple process that everybody experiences in exactly the same way.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on January 15, 2018, 09:43:16 AM
I always wonder why anybody would bother with false-flag mass-shootings when they're such a tediously regular occurrence in America. It would be like a sinister government cabal plotting a false-flag train delay in the UK.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 15, 2018, 01:03:46 PM
I always wonder why anybody would bother with false-flag mass-shootings when they're such a tediously regular occurrence in America.
What if they're all (or a vast majority, at least) staged, as part of a plot to disarm Americans and then do Terrible Things™ to them?
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on January 15, 2018, 01:13:24 PM
I always wonder why anybody would bother with false-flag mass-shootings when they're such a tediously regular occurrence in America.
What if they're all (or a vast majority, at least) staged, as part of a plot to disarm Americans and then do Terrible Things™ to them?

Then I'd say it's gotta be the longest-game conspiracy in history.

"So, we're agreed - we'll keep faking mass-shootings until our goals are achieved."
"Hang on, what goals are those?"
"Ah, well, it's simple. We scare people into handing over their guns, then we take over the country once the populace is disarmed and weak."
"Right. But don't we already control the country? I mean, how else would we be able to engineer hundreds of fake civilian massacres?"
"Ah, there's the clever bit. At the moment we just rule from the shadows where we're immune to protest or official sanction. With this plan, the NWO gets to rule out in the open, with all the headaches and problems that brings."
"Oh. Right, well, do I at least get to be a duke, or something?"
"No, no, no. we don't get to openly rule. America won't hand over their guns in a single generation, we need to keep this up for fifty, sixty years..."
"So... It will be my great-grandchildren who get to be dukes?"
"Exactly..."
"...right..."
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Lord Dave on January 15, 2018, 01:42:25 PM
No no no, they're all immortal because they made deals with Satan.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 15, 2018, 01:43:50 PM
Then I'd say it's gotta be the longest-game conspiracy in history.

[snip]
So your best response is that you personally find it unlikely?
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: PickYerPoison on January 15, 2018, 04:56:36 PM
Putting that 1595 SAT score to work by denying more tragedies, I see.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: garygreen on January 15, 2018, 05:07:51 PM
I always wonder why anybody would bother with false-flag mass-shootings when they're such a tediously regular occurrence in America.
What if they're all (or a vast majority, at least) staged, as part of a plot to disarm Americans and then do Terrible Things™ to them?

obama's third term is coming any minute now.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on January 16, 2018, 08:46:01 AM
Then I'd say it's gotta be the longest-game conspiracy in history.

[snip]
So your best response is that you personally find it unlikely?

Yup.

I find it so unlikely that bothering to engage with it on any deeper level feels like a waste of my time. Seems weird to fixate on Sandy Hook considering how many other massacres happened before, happened since, and will happen again.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on January 16, 2018, 09:37:14 AM

This individual does not follow the masses, other than the masses of other cognitively challenged, Infowar swallowing, tedious ranters.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Lord Dave on January 16, 2018, 09:40:00 AM

This individual does not follow the masses, other than the masses of other cognitively challenged, Infowar swallowing, tedious ranters.
What is popular is not always right.  But it usually is.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 16, 2018, 06:54:50 PM
Seems weird to fixate on Sandy Hook considering how many other massacres happened before, happened since, and will happen again.
That's why I posited a proposal that doesn't fixate on any particular one of the massacres. Providing irrelevant responses is worse than just not providing one.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on January 16, 2018, 08:36:12 PM

Perhaps, like me, he didn't think you could be serious, that for once you were showing a modicum of humour.

Especially as following the Sandy Hook school shooting, there was a significant spike in sales -- 3 million additional guns sold from December 2012 to April 2013, according to calculations based on FBI criminal background check data. Whether this was a reaction to the perceived threat to the 2nd amendment is moot, as a potential method of curbing guns it would have been a fail.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 17, 2018, 01:01:51 AM
Perhaps, like me, he didn't think you could be serious, that for once you were showing a modicum of humour.
It's as if you didn't know me.

Especially as following the Sandy Hook school shooting, there was a significant spike in sales -- 3 million additional guns sold from December 2012 to April 2013, according to calculations based on FBI criminal background check data. Whether this was a reaction to the perceived threat to the 2nd amendment is moot, as a potential method of curbing guns it would have been a fail.
I doubt the purpose would be to discourage people from buying guns in the short term, but rather to ban ownership altogether. How the proles behave before the legislative change is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on January 17, 2018, 10:42:42 AM

Notwithstanding the copious amount of evidence to the contrary, I still maintain there is an element of tongue in cheek in your proposal, that or the ability for joined up thinking has deserted you.

That any government would consider sanctioning a massacre of 20 children (plus the others) as a method of getting rid of weapons, that a sizable proportion of the country are convinced would have been prevented had the teachers, janitors and kids been carrying, (as god intended), then in the wake, only propose some restrictions on magazine sizes and background checks. All in a country that is that’s so obsessed with the right to blow each other away that civil war between coastal states and Jesusland would be inevitable the moment the job description went out for gun collectors?
No, it doesn’t fly, hold water, stand on its own feet, have even the semblance of truth or validity, and frankly you can do better.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on January 17, 2018, 10:52:05 AM
Seems weird to fixate on Sandy Hook considering how many other massacres happened before, happened since, and will happen again.
That's why I posited a proposal that doesn't fixate on any particular one of the massacres. Providing irrelevant responses is worse than just not providing one.

Then let me be clear - the scepticism I hold for the idea that SH was a hoax? Take that and multiply it by however many massacres you think are included in this increasingly bizarre conspiracy.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Lord Dave on January 17, 2018, 11:39:58 AM
A more believable conspiracy is the gun manufacturers/stock holders are bribing, drugging, blackmailing, or doing something to cause people to flip out.  The result being a surge of gun purchases every time a mass shooting occurs.

Keep'em scared, keep'em armed, keep yourself rich.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 17, 2018, 12:48:04 PM
Then let me be clear - the scepticism I hold for the idea that SH was a hoax? Take that and multiply it by however many massacres you think are included in this increasingly bizarre conspiracy.
Well, that's a bit circular. You don't think Sandy Hook was staged because of other shootings. You don't think other shootings have been staged because of other other shootings. It seems to me that you'd be a very confused man if you ever entered a theatre.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on January 17, 2018, 01:06:00 PM
You're right. You win. Well done...
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 17, 2018, 05:01:27 PM
It's hard to lose when your opponent is an actual straw man. Unless you're a crow.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on February 16, 2018, 06:51:16 AM
To be honest, I used to believe Sandy Hook was a conspiracy too. Until I looked at counter arguments and took a six month course on police procedures.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Lord Dave on February 16, 2018, 11:35:52 AM
To be honest, I used to believe Sandy Hook was a conspiracy too. Until I looked at counter arguments and took a six month course on police procedures.

Yes, the first step in questioning any conspiracy is to actually listen to the people telling you it's a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: JohnAdams1145 on February 20, 2018, 10:36:21 AM
Yeah there were far too many witnesses at the Las Vegas shooting for them to all be involved in the conspiracy. Clearly mass shootings do take place.

What happened to being a good Zetetic? What's the simplest explanation here?
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Skeptic on February 25, 2018, 09:15:54 AM
Grief is a very simple process that everybody experiences in exactly the same way.

Wrong. I speak from experience. I'm autistic and don't experience emotions the same way as most do at all, because my brain is damaged. I've lost both my grandparents and two best friends; never felt any denial over it, because there was no denying that it happened. I didn't feel angry, because there wasn't anyone to be angry at. I didn't try bargaining, because I knew they were never coming back, so there'd be no point to bargaining with anyone for them to come back from the dead. I didn't feel depressed, because I knew they were going to die sooner or later. People die all the time. The only stage of "grief" I felt was Acceptance, because life is busy, I have things to do, and that's all I could do. Move on. Some called me a monster for my reaction (or lack thereof, rather). That just made me feel Confused, because clearly I'm a human being.

I just don't experience emotions the same way other people do, and my face just has a flat-affect to it just about 24/7. I don't understand a lot of things people seem to take for granted. Jokes, sarcasm, metaphores, social niceties and norms, et cetera. They all just kind of go over my head.

I'd even propose that nobody experiences emotions the exact same way as the next person. People are different from one another. There's no two exactly alike because we all have different experiences in life, so we're all wired differently to one degree or another, some moreso than others. I recall a saying that goes something like "You have to laugh to keep from crying." Not quite sure what that means, but I think I've witnessed it a couple times. I remember finding it really weird.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Lord Dave on February 25, 2018, 10:18:40 AM
Grief is a very simple process that everybody experiences in exactly the same way.

Wrong. I speak from experience. I'm autistic and don't experience emotions the same way as most do at all, because my brain is damaged. I've lost both my grandparents and two best friends; never felt any denial over it, because there was no denying that it happened. I didn't feel angry, because there wasn't anyone to be angry at. I didn't try bargaining, because I knew they were never coming back, so there'd be no point to bargaining with anyone for them to come back from the dead. I didn't feel depressed, because I knew they were going to die sooner or later. People die all the time. The only stage of "grief" I felt was Acceptance, because life is busy, I have things to do, and that's all I could do. Move on. Some called me a monster for my reaction (or lack thereof, rather). That just made me feel Confused, because clearly I'm a human being.

I just don't experience emotions the same way other people do, and my face just has a flat-affect to it just about 24/7. I don't understand a lot of things people seem to take for granted. Jokes, sarcasm, metaphores, social niceties and norms, et cetera. They all just kind of go over my head.

I'd even propose that nobody experiences emotions the exact same way as the next person. People are different from one another. There's no two exactly alike because we all have different experiences in life, so we're all wired differently to one degree or another, some moreso than others. I recall a saying that goes something like "You have to laugh to keep from crying." Not quite sure what that means, but I think I've witnessed it a couple times. I remember finding it really weird.


He was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Skeptic on February 25, 2018, 08:21:35 PM
Grief is a very simple process that everybody experiences in exactly the same way.

Wrong. I speak from experience. I'm autistic and don't experience emotions the same way as most do at all, because my brain is damaged. I've lost both my grandparents and two best friends; never felt any denial over it, because there was no denying that it happened. I didn't feel angry, because there wasn't anyone to be angry at. I didn't try bargaining, because I knew they were never coming back, so there'd be no point to bargaining with anyone for them to come back from the dead. I didn't feel depressed, because I knew they were going to die sooner or later. People die all the time. The only stage of "grief" I felt was Acceptance, because life is busy, I have things to do, and that's all I could do. Move on. Some called me a monster for my reaction (or lack thereof, rather). That just made me feel Confused, because clearly I'm a human being.

I just don't experience emotions the same way other people do, and my face just has a flat-affect to it just about 24/7. I don't understand a lot of things people seem to take for granted. Jokes, sarcasm, metaphores, social niceties and norms, et cetera. They all just kind of go over my head.

I'd even propose that nobody experiences emotions the exact same way as the next person. People are different from one another. There's no two exactly alike because we all have different experiences in life, so we're all wired differently to one degree or another, some moreso than others. I recall a saying that goes something like "You have to laugh to keep from crying." Not quite sure what that means, but I think I've witnessed it a couple times. I remember finding it really weird.


He was being sarcastic.

Oh...my bad.
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: CuddleBuns on February 28, 2018, 12:30:32 AM
I'm little surprised you all think that Obama and the DNC faked sandy hook. There is a lot of evidence that sandy hook was real but it was an Illuminati cover up. That's why so much evidence is on lockdown or has vanished. That is why you cant find footage. The parents of one of the victims have suspected ties to the Illuminati. The Illuminati will shoot your kid in their own school, cover it up, and make the world argue over whether it is fake or not. They are the ultimate puppet masters. wake up everyone, we've been asking the wrong questions
Title: Re: Was the sandy hook shooting a hoax
Post by: Dither on March 01, 2018, 07:06:54 AM
Just an honest appraisal here, but I really dislike the person I become, when I set out to decide wether or not the lastest mass shooting is a random act by a lone nutter, or a false flag designed for who knows what purpose. Its just too upsetting and there's way too many of these events happening at the moment so I've switched off and ostriched the last few. (Head in the sand, na na na na na)