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Re: New laptop
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2021, 02:32:20 PM »
AMD has a good upgrade.  Didn't break my bank too hard but I had to upgrade everything minus the graphics card and power.
Does it? I mean, I have a Ryzen already.
The Ryzen 5000 series is a different animal than, say, the 3000 series. Much of a bigger leap than 3000 to 4000. Zen3 architecture is a huge improvement. AMD is out-innovating Intel quite a bit as of late.

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Re: New laptop
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2021, 02:45:41 PM »
AMD is out-innovating Intel quite a bit as of late.
They are still being handed their arses by Apple.

The future isn't power hungry x86 chips that compute generic workloads. Its going to be ARM with SOC tech, tuned to match the silicon to the software. I'm not running complex fluid dynamics computations. I watch youtube videos, make a the odd website, browse the internet and make a spreadsheet here and there. I want fast response times, low noise, low heat.

I'm happy to wait. As every day goes by, more and more apps are added to be m1 compatible and to make the experience better. I never like being an early adopter and beta testing someone else's software without being paid for it. But soon.

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Re: New laptop
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2021, 02:55:08 PM »
The future isn't power hungry x86 chips that compute generic workloads. Its going to be ARM with SOC tech, tuned to match the silicon to the software. I'm not running complex fluid dynamics computations. I watch youtube videos, make a the odd website, browse the internet and make a spreadsheet here and there. I want fast response times, low noise, low heat.

That's interesting. When I wanted that 7 years ago, this is what you said:

You bought a computer that is optimised for the internet and now you intend to unoptimise it for the internet?

You picked a computer with an Arm cortex A15 chip on it. And then put Debian on it. Do Debian have an app store? This is a tablet chip. Not x86. What could you possibly be intending to do on this computer? The only thing it is good for is browsing the internet ... and you just made it slower at doing that.

You're an idiot.

Why the change of heart? Are you sure you're not just regurgitating corporate marketing hype again?
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2021, 02:58:56 PM »
AMD is out-innovating Intel quite a bit as of late.
They are still being handed their arses by Apple.
For light use applications, they have a leg up. For workloads that require more horsepower, not so much.

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Re: New laptop
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2021, 03:04:54 PM »
The future isn't power hungry x86 chips that compute generic workloads. Its going to be ARM with SOC tech, tuned to match the silicon to the software. I'm not running complex fluid dynamics computations. I watch youtube videos, make a the odd website, browse the internet and make a spreadsheet here and there. I want fast response times, low noise, low heat.

That's interesting. When I wanted that 7 years ago, this is what you said:

You bought a computer that is optimised for the internet and now you intend to unoptimise it for the internet?

You picked a computer with an Arm cortex A15 chip on it. And then put Debian on it. Do Debian have an app store? This is a tablet chip. Not x86. What could you possibly be intending to do on this computer? The only thing it is good for is browsing the internet ... and you just made it slower at doing that.

You're an idiot.

Why the change of heart? Are you sure you're not just regurgitating corporate marketing hype again?

1) I have no idea who Ævan is.
2) You took an ARM chip that was optimised for a job and gave it a completely different job making it useless. I intend to use the chip as Apple designed it to be used. And 7 years later, it does a lot more than that awful crap you bought all those years ago. That Ævan guy was right. You are an idiot.

AMD is out-innovating Intel quite a bit as of late.
They are still being handed their arses by Apple.
For light use applications, they have a leg up. For workloads that require more horsepower, not so much.
I just said, most of what I do is light applications. I'm not a weather man or the NSA. I'd like those applications to boot instantly and run like a greased weasel.
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2021, 03:12:46 PM »
You took an ARM chip that was optimised for a job and gave it a completely different job making it useless. I intend to use the chip as Apple designed it to be used. And 7 years later, it does a lot more than that awful crap you bought all those years ago. That Ævan guy was right. You are an idiot.

So you are just regurgitating corporate hype. Here's a hot tip: ARM laptops are, in general, no more specialised for doing one task than x86 laptops are, you've just bought into some marketing drone telling you they are. They're just another kind of machine.
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2021, 03:54:34 PM »
ARM laptops are, in general, no more specialised for doing one task than x86 laptops are
Apple laptops are. It's a lot more than just a ringbus with some cache bolted to it. They have an SOC. Here ... check out this marketing diagram



And its all on 5nm making anything Intel have seem very old.
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2021, 03:56:57 PM »
They have an SOC.

Oh, well that changes everything. ::)
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2021, 04:01:54 PM »
I don't know what your problem is? Apple make their laptops in china. You have a penchant for Chinese laptops.

Here is some more marketing to get you excited.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/19/21574057/apple-m1-chips-laptop-performance-intel-qualcomm-competition
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2021, 04:16:32 PM »
I've been cycling through quite a few laptops lately, most recently a Yoga 6. I am considering just returning that and getting the base model M1 Air since I don't do any heavy tasks on mobile and I have a decent desktop for anything the Air can't handle. I should make a thread about it...

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Re: New laptop
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2021, 05:20:02 PM »
AMD has a good upgrade.  Didn't break my bank too hard but I had to upgrade everything minus the graphics card and power.

Does it? I mean, I have a Ryzen already.

I remember buying my first SSD. It was only 64Gb because that was all I could afford at the time. They were seriously expensive. I loaded my favourite operating system on to it (Parsifal - look away now) Windows, and booted the PC for the first time. It was like magic. Like the work of the devil. I couldn't believe how fast it instantly made my computer. That's the kind of upgrade i want. I want magic. And when I see ...

This is the first laptop I've ever used that seems to defy the laws of thermodynamics.
... magic. I want it. I want an M1 chip in my computer. That is the future. Not x86.

I mean, I don't think you'll get that kind of magic yet.  Maybe Raytracing cards are that.

But honestly, it sounds like you want a mobile phone with a desktop mode.  Dock it, have a full desktop on your mobile.  Or an ipad with a stand and keyboard.

Which is totally fine and that 5nm is damn impressive since 7nm wasn't that long ago.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: New laptop
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2021, 05:59:15 PM »
I've been cycling through quite a few laptops lately, most recently a Yoga 6. I am considering just returning that and getting the base model M1 Air since I don't do any heavy tasks on mobile and I have a decent desktop for anything the Air can't handle. I should make a thread about it...

Well I ordered it. Going to go pick it up today. Thork's hype convinced me.

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Re: New laptop
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2021, 06:24:04 PM »
Well I ordered it. Going to go pick it up today. Thork's hype convinced me.
I'd like you to bad mouth it and save me £1500 or more.
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2021, 06:29:26 PM »
I've been cycling through quite a few laptops lately, most recently a Yoga 6. I am considering just returning that and getting the base model M1 Air since I don't do any heavy tasks on mobile and I have a decent desktop for anything the Air can't handle. I should make a thread about it...

There’s nothing the Air can’t handle. I edit 4K video and RAW image files on it every week. My only regret is I didn’t wait for the upcoming Pro, since it’s supposed to bring back MagSafe charging.

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Re: New laptop
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2021, 06:34:11 PM »
https://twitter.com/bluerise/status/1354216838406823936

Looks like the M1 may actually be useful soon.
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2021, 01:55:54 AM »
I've been cycling through quite a few laptops lately, most recently a Yoga 6. I am considering just returning that and getting the base model M1 Air since I don't do any heavy tasks on mobile and I have a decent desktop for anything the Air can't handle. I should make a thread about it...

There’s nothing the Air can’t handle. I edit 4K video and RAW image files on it every week. My only regret is I didn’t wait for the upcoming Pro, since it’s supposed to bring back MagSafe charging.

Yeah this thing has been amazing to use so far. I was tempted to wait for the 14" Pro to launch as well, but I don't do anything on my laptop that would justify spending that much money. Not sure if they replace the 13" altogether and keep the 14" at the $1299 base price, or just start the 14" at a few hundred dollars more. I do miss MagSafe though, it was a bonehead move to ever get rid of it. Although it is nice to be able to use the same charger on my phone and laptop with usb-c.

Anyway, everyone should get an M1 Mac.

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Re: New laptop
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2021, 03:10:28 AM »
I've been cycling through quite a few laptops lately, most recently a Yoga 6. I am considering just returning that and getting the base model M1 Air since I don't do any heavy tasks on mobile and I have a decent desktop for anything the Air can't handle. I should make a thread about it...

There’s nothing the Air can’t handle. I edit 4K video and RAW image files on it every week. My only regret is I didn’t wait for the upcoming Pro, since it’s supposed to bring back MagSafe charging.

Yeah this thing has been amazing to use so far. I was tempted to wait for the 14" Pro to launch as well, but I don't do anything on my laptop that would justify spending that much money. Not sure if they replace the 13" altogether and keep the 14" at the $1299 base price, or just start the 14" at a few hundred dollars more. I do miss MagSafe though, it was a bonehead move to ever get rid of it. Although it is nice to be able to use the same charger on my phone and laptop with usb-c.

Anyway, everyone should get an M1 Mac.



The other thing is it runs a virtualized version of lightroom as well as my desktop PC running it on metal. That sounds like a wild exaggeration, but it isn't. Since I got the 256GB version of the laptop it means I can't store many photo files locally (they're 20-30MB each), so I have them populate from the cloud every time I run the program. This takes a few seconds on the Macbook. It took 5 minutes or more on the ThonkPad. And the ThonkPad's fan kept ramping up to 9000 RPM, and the system would hang every few seconds. No thanks, bro.
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2021, 02:11:25 AM »
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2021, 12:29:03 AM »
I exchanged the Air.

And bought the 512GB version instead. Apparently this version also has a higher binned processor that doesn't heat throttle as quickly.
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Re: New laptop
« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2021, 04:06:54 AM »
I downloaded a program called Wipr that blocks ads in Safari. I wish Apple wasn't so poopy and let you use regular addons like ublock, but this will have to do. The current version of Chrome uses too much battery power and isn't as responsive as Safari.
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