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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:08:55 PM »
It's not faked and no that event is not why his credential was revoked.
Well doctored anyway.  Subtly but enough to show him in a negative light.

Then why was his credentials revoked?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: November 09, 2018, 08:17:42 PM »
Fucking people losing their minds because Sarah Sanders tweeted a video of Jim Acosta at a lower frame rate.  The absolute state of American politics.
Is that the video that InfoWars "adjusted"?  Or something else?

I looked at Euronews and Washington Post's side by side comparison. In both I saw nothing except more movement blur which suggest to me that frames have been dropped, or that the tweeted version had been compressed.   The doctored narrative seems absurd.


Audio was removed and a section sped up. Tge audio, as I heard, was basically a polite 'excuse me'.  But I have not seen it.

Yeah, thats right.  Yet people are behaving as if they have been caught faking the moon landing.
Maybe so but let's face it, faking or posting a fake anything from an official US account is pretty bad.
Also, didn't he use it as justification to ban him?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: November 09, 2018, 07:12:36 PM »
Fucking people losing their minds because Sarah Sanders tweeted a video of Jim Acosta at a lower frame rate.  The absolute state of American politics.
Is that the video that InfoWars "adjusted"?  Or something else?

I looked at Euronews and Washington Post's side by side comparison. In both I saw nothing except more movement blur which suggest to me that frames have been dropped, or that the tweeted version had been compressed.   The doctored narrative seems absurd.


Audio was removed and a section sped up. Tge audio, as I heard, was basically a polite 'excuse me'.  But I have not seen it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: November 09, 2018, 05:25:13 PM »
Fucking people losing their minds because Sarah Sanders tweeted a video of Jim Acosta at a lower frame rate.  The absolute state of American politics.
Is that the video that InfoWars "adjusted"?  Or something else?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 09, 2018, 03:33:16 PM »
Dave since when are Indians Africans? (Never, they arent.) Indians are Caucasians.

I know Islam is a religion. I stated what would be the most common race and religion in America in 100 years according to UN population estimates.

I intend to respond properly when I have time.

Edit. Calling me a racist doesn't debunk the facts and history I have presented here.
You asked for an example of when Euros were kicked out of a country and it was fine.  I picked India.
If you only want me to choose African nation's then I am no expert on them but I do know that they have their own unique set of problems that European colonization did not help.

India's a bloody basket case! Only need to look at how women are treated and the amount of 'honour killings' that go on. Not to mention the millions upon millions in poverty.

Speaking of 'white' rule I also believe the people in Hong Kong are going to miss being overseen by the British pretty soon. If you want to look at the effects of white rule, look back to Hong Kong vs mainland China in the 60s in the days of Mao Zedong.
Yes because obviously poverty didn't exist before, right?

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1. I never blamed "white people" for all of anyone's problems.  Europeans certainly didn't help but I never blamed them for all of it.  How you came to that conclusion is unknown.
2. Your quote about the toilet doesn't help your case.  If being under European control was so great for the nation, why didn't they have toilets then?  That person was poor before the British left and they were poor after.  The infrastructure wasn't put in (or he didn't have the money to put in a septic system).  Stating that basic plumbing was lacking after the British gave them their freedom generally means that they lacked it before as well.  Unless the British or the new Indian government outlawed it and ripped the plumbing out of people's houses.
And if you REALLY wanna look at history: Let's take Iraq.  A powerhouse and peaceful under the iron fist of Saddam Hussein.  Sure people died if they went against him but for the most part, it was stable.  Then America toppled the government.  Now Suni and Shiites fight eachother, there's constant attacks, the economy is weak, etc...  I thought America makes it all better?

Also also... as an American, I thought you'd be all about freedom.  Ya know, not letting an invader take over your country and tell you how to run it.  Interesting to see it doesn't apply to, I'm guessing, non-America countries.

3. Yes, she did.  And Trump threatened to punch people, called mexican immigrants rapists, mocked reporters, etc...  They kinda both sucked, yes?
4. He did condemn them, eventually.  You know, when he was told he should.  Like David Duke?  First he said he didn't know who the man was.  He also didn't want to condemn the kkk until he "did some research", ya know, because he didn't want to condemn a group that might be good.

As for his "condemnation", please read this:
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"Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," the president said in a statement to reporters at the White House on Monday. "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence."
He said that 2 days later.  That is not his words.  Those are the words of a speech writer.  You can tell by it's coherency and use of the word 'repugnant' and 'egregious'.  Both are words he does not use.
5. Nationalism is bad.  Nationalism is saying "My country is the best because it's my country".  This is how dictators and fascist governments gain power.  What you want is "Patriotism" because that's the "I love my country because of these reasons..." and "Yeah, we're not perfect and we can learn from others."


6. And while any illegal should worry about being deported, there's a difference between deporting someone who tries to cheat the system/does criminal activity and someone whose contributing to society.  Focusing on both means less time on the dangerous ones.  Kinda like pulling cops from a riot so they can sit in a speed trap.  Severity.

7. Globalism is the reason you can afford to live.  The cost to produce inside America is so high, they either need to automate it (so no jobs) or pay minimum wage (so nothing you can live off of). 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 08, 2018, 05:15:09 AM »
Dave since when are Indians Africans? (Never, they arent.) Indians are Caucasians.

I know Islam is a religion. I stated what would be the most common race and religion in America in 100 years according to UN population estimates.

I intend to respond properly when I have time.

Edit. Calling me a racist doesn't debunk the facts and history I have presented here.
You asked for an example of when Euros were kicked out of a country and it was fine.  I picked India.
If you only want me to choose African nation's then I am no expert on them but I do know that they have their own unique set of problems that European colonization did not help.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 07, 2018, 09:33:45 PM »
1. Trump ran on "Republican America First" which is not the same.  He literally calls half of America the enemy.  How is that helpful to America?
Source please.

I remember he called the media the enemy of the people which I totally support, see Operation Mockingbird and the documentary titled "Weapons of mass deception."
Well, looks like I have to apologize.  I thought I saw it but can't find it.  Must have mixed it up with his supporters.

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2. No one ran on a platform of genocide.  Stop being a snowflake.
You are incorrect, the Democrats have done nothing to distance themselves from the racism of the media supporting them. "We have to do something about white people."

If the Democrats had just publicly disavowed the overt racism and sexism in the media I wouldn't be nearly as upset.
Which ones?  There's a lot of it.
Also, I wasn't aware that a platform was "something you don't condemn".  If that's the case, does that mean the GOP's platform was Slavery of Blacks, since they didn't condemn that?

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3. Wanna talk about the African nation's that were colonized and controlled by a European minority for centuries as an example of America's future?  Guess you think Blacks and Indians are in charge, eh?
As it stands, Global population estimates from the UN put Africans as a massive global majority in the next century, couple this with the ruling class' hatred of white people and the media blaming every problem in the black community on white people and you've got a very scary situation indeed.
Oh my yes.  I mean, it must be scary to imagine that in the whole world, white people will be outnumbered.  And possibly hated.  I mean, that's never happened in history, ya know?  No group has ever been so afraid of being the minority, especially with a majority hating them.  Nope.  Never.

Seriously, do you realize how racist you're sounding?  You're basically saying "If blacks get power, I'll be afraid." 
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I can only comment on the history of majority African nations that have gained independence, if you have a good example of one please cite it. In the next one hundred years America will be majority African and majority Muslim. The attitude of the people in charge at the moment seems to be removing power as quickly as possible from Europeans in European countries.
Holy crap... more racism?  Also, you realize that Muslim is a religion, not an ethnicity, yes?  I'd be shocked as to how you came to the conclusion that islam is gonna overtake anything in America in the next hundred years.  If anything, Atheism will.

Also: wow... I did not know that America controlled European nations.  Also, I'm kinda wondering how you came to this conclusion.  Last I checked, most European nations still had European leaders.  And while a great deal of refugees have entered, most don't get far in politics.


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Can you cite an example of a nation in which this has gone well?
India.But seriously, you're essentially saying "Whites can control blacks better than they can control themselves." which is REALLY racist.

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When Jamaica gained independence in 1962, the murder rate was 3.9 per 100,000 inhabitants, one of the lowest in the world.[4] In 2005, Jamaica had 1,674 murders for a murder rate of 58 per 100,000 people.[5] That year, Jamaica had the highest murder rate in the world.[2]
I'm not denying I'm salty, feel free to put me in whatever compilation you desire.

Edit bbcode.
Did... did you just try to prove your point by quoting 2 statistics that are over 40 years apart?  Cause.. holy fuck....

Also, you shouldn't have stopped quoting...
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There were 1,682 reported murders in 2009 and 1,428 in 2010. Since 2011 the murder rate has continued to fall following the downward trend started in 2010, with increases in police patrols, curfews, and more effective anti-gang activities.[7] In 2012, the Ministry of National Security reported a 30 percent decrease in murders.[8] Many of the murders in Jamaica are connected to organized crime in the country's urban centers, and most of this organized crime involves the illegal drug trade.
Oops, going down now.





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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 07, 2018, 09:14:42 AM »
Okay so the media has called that the Democrats won the house while the Republicans are still ahead. Kind of weird but I guess they are leaning on California.

I'll congratulate you guys if you win. I do find it a bit concerning the democrats ran solely on "F*ck Trump and F*ck white people" and still won the house.

I hope you guys have an actual plan past "F*ck Trump and F*ck white people"


Trump literally ran on America first.

I know. It is the definition of evil to put your own people first. Trump should of ran on Australia first, or some sh*t.

I really hope you guys have a plan after you "f*ck white people."

I hope it doesn't turn into a situation like Rhodesia / Zimbabwe after they "f*cked white people"

Congratulations guys, forgive me for not being stoked that the people who want to "erase white people" won power.

I'm sorry if I sound a little bitter but I honestly believe you guys will kill my children for the colour if their skin, laugh at me all you like but I believe you wll genocide my children and grandchildren, before you say it will never happen, Zimbabwe and South Africa.

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Censor swear words.


1. Trump ran on "Repuican America First" which is not the same.  He literally calls half of America the enemy.  How is that helpful to America?


2. No one ran on a platform of genocide.  Stop being a snowflake.


3. Wanna talk about the African nation's that were colonized and controlled by a European minority for centuries as an example of America's future?  Guess you think Blacks and Indians are in charge, eh?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 07, 2018, 06:08:04 AM »
I wonder if we go back a few years to Obamas mid term election and the massive loss he suffered I wonder how the MSM were writing those up

Actually, lets go back to all the mid terms. How many Presidents have actually scored better as a result of them?

If the dems win, hopefully the demonstrate the so called 'maturity' they champion and work with the President on matters of national importance instead of just blocking everything going 'F U LOLOLOLOL'

I personally think its normally good when one party has to work with another to pass legislation - that way it it caters for much more peoples interests. In practice though, bi-partisanship is rarely practiced and oppositions block for opposition sake - especially in the age of social media and popularism. ALL political parties and sides are guilty of it


Well, you can read up on it, see how it went.


And yes, the Dems will block block block.  It'll be obstruction worse than when the Republicans controlled all three branches.  Well, maybe.


Also, while Trump has shown a willingness to work with Democrats in the past, remember how he basically dropped it like a hat once he realized it was unpopular?


Also, also: have you read the emails he's been sending out to his supporters?  If you trust them, Democrats are basically super evil, power hungry, and don't want America to succeed not share power with anyone but themselves.  (Themselves being the elected official, not the voters)


It's a pretty bleak image.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 07, 2018, 05:16:40 AM »
Okay so the media has called that the Democrats won the house while the Republicans are still ahead. Kind of weird but I guess they are leaning on California.

I'll congratulate you guys if you win. I do find it a bit concerning the democrats ran solely on "F*ck Trump and F*ck white people" and still won the house.

I hope you guys have an actual plan past "F*ck Trump and F*ck white people"


Trump literally ran on "Fuck Hillary and Mexicans and Muslims" so don't be shocked . Also, not "fuck white people, fuck assholes"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 06, 2018, 09:43:20 PM »


Trump is actually Jesus.
There are enough who think he was chosen by God.


Also: Romney is winning by a landslide.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 06, 2018, 06:56:56 AM »
I feel like I'm unable to communicate.  Like what I write doesn't actually mean what I think it does.  Or that I'm losing my ability to form rational thoughts.

>Being on the far left in 2018.
Being far anything, really.  Extreme sides are extreme for a reason.


Also: I am more moderate to mid-left.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 05, 2018, 09:49:43 PM »
So fuck off ya troll.

It's still PR&S, Dave. Keep it together, please. Warned.


Honestly?  I'm not sure I can.  I feel like I'm unable to communicate.  Like what I write doesn't actually mean what I think it does.  Or that I'm losing my ability to form rational thoughts.  I'm the liberal Thork for God's sake.  If that's not a reason to seek help, what is?


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: On the notion of trolling
« on: November 05, 2018, 09:45:08 PM »
Also, I have no time for videos.
Yeah, what would be the point of using the fastest learning mechanism known to man? A medium that can condense War & Peace down to 3hrs 28mins by conveying information both visually and through audio at the same time. 

Would you prefer my sources in semaphore, morse code or smoke signals in future?

I mean, Dave is wrong about nearly everything related to social/political topics, but I agree with him here. Videos are awful.


If I'm wrong about all that then I may as well just quit cause clearly I'm wrong about everything these days.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 05, 2018, 09:22:17 PM »
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NPC 1: But it was actually Democrats who were fighting and sacrificing even though they were called Republicans.  (Four legs good two legs better! I read it in my NPC history book!)
Not what I said Fake News.  The man clearly said conservative and meant Republicans but Republicans of that era were liberals.  They were closer to modern day Democrats.


So fuck off ya troll.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 05, 2018, 05:26:24 PM »
Wow, that navy seal sure was upset.  I guess now he knows what being (or looking) middle Eastern feels like.

Do you think Middle Easterners are discriminated against in Saudi Arabia? No? I wonder why?
Depends on your faith. 
But that's kinda the piont: the majority are more easily able to move around and setup things without suspicion then those who are minorities or part of ethnicities that are thought of as terrirosts.



Wow, that navy seal sure was upset.  I guess now he knows what being (or looking) middle Eastern feels like.


Also, ignoring the entire first half of the argument Don made is a shitty thing to do.


Finally: we all know the Republican party has swapped platforms in the last 100 or so years.
Don Lemon has no argument.

So there is nothing to ignore.

Claiming white males perform more domestic terrorism in the US ignores, for instance, this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Fort

I could go on, listing:
 
David Barksdale
Larry Hoover
Tookie Williams

All highly prominent white males.
Actually he's claiming that white males have an easier time comitting acts of terror than non-white males because said white males are not under automatic suspicion of criminal intent like blacks and middle-easterners.
Black men can't sit at a Starbucks without the cops being called.  You think they're gonna be able to hide a pack of guns while they check into a hotel room?

Finally: we all know the Republican party has swapped platforms in the last 100 or so years.

Oh, do we, now? Tell me, Dave, is Franklin D Roosevelt, in modern terms, a Republican or a Democrat? What party is Eisenhower?

Here's another, why did no congressmen actually change their political parties during the supposed party platform switch? Surely, everyone would have magically swapped sides?

How can you still believe "political parties magically swapped and that's why anything bad that the Democrats did wasn't actually us".

Was McCarthy actually a Democrat, then? Good, because you can have him.


Holy mother fucking misunderstanding....
Ok, seriously, am I really that bad at explaining something or are you all just really that incapable of reading?  I'm guessing the former but I'll take the latter too.

I never said anything bad or bad at all.  My point was that this man talked about his conservative ancestors, as though the republican party is somehow his heritage OR anything like the party now.  The party of the North that invaded the south was LIBERAL and Pro-Federal governemnt.  Which is the whole reason the Civil War happened.  The democrats were very pro-state and small government. 

https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
The thing takes decades to do and isn't some "magic" swap.  It's a slow shift of priorities and ideologies. 

My issue, primarily, is that this man is acting like Republicans today are  same as in Lincolin's time.  They aren't.  His views now would be more in line of southern democrats of that time.   Conservatives were in the south.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: On the notion of trolling
« on: November 05, 2018, 05:10:56 PM »
The instant you incentivise dreadful science with masses of cash, every charlatan on the planet comes out from under a rock, no matter how bad the science is.



How much are governments spending on climate change?
Once you threaten to take away incentives with science, all sorts of charlatan, looking to keep the status quo comes out.

Also, I have no time for videos.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Republicans take the house and senate.
« on: November 05, 2018, 06:20:45 AM »
Wow, that navy seal sure was upset.  I guess now he knows what being (or looking) middle Eastern feels like.


Also, ignoring the entire first half of the argument Don made is a shitty thing to do.


Finally: we all know the Republican party has swapped platforms in the last 100 or so years.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: On the notion of trolling
« on: November 04, 2018, 10:13:40 PM »
Also, belief in God requires 0 intelligence.  And typically, the more you understand how you the world works, the less sense God makes.

This doesn't add up. You can't functionally prove whether or not a deity exists, regardless of how much or how little you understand the world.
True, but the words/texts of said God, which is the whole basis of what the god is, stops working.  Like Noah's ark.  Once you figure out that there are more animals in the world than could fit on any boat, you start doubting it.  Faith with doubt is not faith.  And when you start figuring out things like vaccines and weather patterns and evolution, the idea that God controls everything starts looking remote.  So all you have left, logically, is a God who started the universe then stepped back. 

And once we figure out THAT mystery (if we do) it'll make God even less likely.And all this, of course, can be wiped away and ignored by simply having faith.

Let's take climate change, Dave.

What data? Environmental Studies is a $multi-billion industry. It was always going to be a money spinner from the time it ended up on national curricula around the world. The last significant change before that was adding computer science to national curricula.

Now climate change is funded by governments asking for research. So when asked "is everything OK" you can answer, sure, everything is fine in which case you get no more money. Or you can say "the end of he world is nigh and we need more money to tell you exactly when and how to stop it".

Overall data just shows we are more or less in the margins of error expected over millions of years of ice age cycles.

I would also add, what kind of scientists are climate scientists and environmental scientists? And the answer is  ... shitty ones. The ones not smart enough to do maths, physics or engineering. To do climate studies at Wolverhampton university in the UK you need 80 UCAS points ... 4 D's at A-level. That thick shit who isn't getting on a maths course anywhere is now going to get on the course with all the other thickos and they will be given a certificate of attendance by a university that just wants more students and suddenly they are a scientist. A scientist that likely can't even spell scientific method and yet you'll beat me up with "experts say ...". Experts? That's the kid in my class that stapled his own pants to a notice board. Its the guy who gave blow jobs round the back of the bike sheds for extra cash instead of going to class. That's your expert. And he is being peer reviewed by the girl who thought you could only get pregnant if you swallowed.

They are incapable of reading a graph like this ...

You're getting off topic.  You're also trying to tell me that experts are terrible because they can't read graphs made by experts.... who aren't terrible?  Seriously, you're cherry picking and painting a specific group as bad.
Which brings us BACK on topic: The why.  Why do you assume "experts" are bad because they don't come to the same conclusion you do?  The answer?  You don't like the answer, because you hate the results that came about that answer.  The UK had taxes increased, plus, I'm sure, all the little changes that were forced into effect. 

In essence: Climate Change has hurt you.  Thus, you, like many others, have decided that it's wrong and you find any and every excuse or reason for it.  There's also the people who look at the data, can't figure out why it is what it is, and just assume it's wrong, but I don't think you fit into that category.

See, you're not evil.  You don't want the world to be changed radically.  You don't want massive flooding.  But if you say "Climate Change is real but we shouldn't do anything about it" well... you're evil.  But if you say "Climate Change isn't real and here's why..." then it's fine and everything can go back to the way it was.




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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: On the notion of trolling
« on: November 04, 2018, 07:00:41 PM »
You are becoming conservative because you are getting older ... ie you have more experience of life. Everyone moves to the right as they get older. Only an idiot could hold onto Marxist ideologies as they gain experience of life. It has nothing to do with anything anyone tells you here. You have to see for yourself in life how creating a superstate that sucks all the wealth from its citizens and redistributes those in welfare programs is a stupid idea.

Interesting you pick believing in God or denying climate change as examples of things you wouldn't associate with intelligence. It's as if you are again saying, these people don't agree with me and therefore I expect them to be stupid.


Interesting how you've decided to focus mainly on a minor point I made...


Also, belief in God requires 0 intelligence.  And typically, the more you understand how you the world works, the less sense God makes.


Climate change is literally just ignoring data.  The main point I was making was that you can be biased to an idea that goes against logic and reason even if you are very intelligent.  Because even the smartest people have ideas that they just don't want to part with.


But here's another: anti-vaxxers.


Oh and ps. I live in a functional welfare state.  So suck it.

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