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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: New idea on observing Sigma Octantis from multiple locations
« on: April 15, 2024, 02:54:13 AM »
It does not matter that the model is made out of glass or if it is made out of mathematical equations for how the light behaves. It's a model - a representation of a scheme. If it were a mathematical equation, would you be asking where the equations are in the universe? That would obviously be very silly to do that. Hence, it does not matter if it is made of glass or not.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: New idea on observing Sigma Octantis from multiple locations
« on: April 14, 2024, 07:05:44 PM »
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Since our atmosphere is not made of solid magnifying glass material and the local Sun is only about 30 miles in diameter (per FET), what would your prediction be if the model was updated to not consist of a solid piece of magnifying glass and the local Sun was more accurately represented as about 1:266 scale to that of the Flat Earth plane?

In this question of "more accurately represented" you are making assumptions about how the light from the celestial bodies behave. This is the very thing in question. Hence, no scheme can be discarded because of what you are assuming in your head.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: New idea on observing Sigma Octantis from multiple locations
« on: April 14, 2024, 06:46:41 PM »
It's a model which seems to fit the patterns of light. A model is a proposed possible construct which explains occurrences, which may exist as a purely mathematical scheme, or a physical example as above. No one is proposing that the atmosphere is made of glass. There could be a number of mechanisms for this that are not glass. If you can find where I stated that the atmosphere was made of glass, please point it out.

Desktop and physical models are used all the time, to demonstrate that a pattern of phenomena exists with a consistent mechanism. The task here is to show that this model does not explain it. Pointing out that the atmosphere is not made of glass is not sufficient for this, as the behavior of light through the heavens and atmolayer are unknown variables for our purposes. You should attack this by showing that this configuration of light bending does not explain it, as this model could be expressed by a series of equations as equally as a physical glass magnifying dome.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: New idea on observing Sigma Octantis from multiple locations
« on: April 14, 2024, 04:52:33 PM »
In the Bi-Polar model this is explained by the existence of two poles.

However, the Monopole model persists, and it would be interesting to try to debunk the explanation for it.

There might be a time when two of the three southern continent locations such as South America and Africa see the night stars at the same time, but never all three (South America, Africa and Australia) at the same time.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

Here is summer on June 21, 2021 with added green marker for "a star":

Translating it to a Flat Earth Monopole map, with relative location:

The star is close enough to those two locations to be in range so that the star could be visible at the same time from both locations.

As seen above, it is possible in some situations for two locations to see the same star at the same time. If the star is encircling the Earth like the Sun, then different observers will observe that star when it is night for that observer.

When each observer South America and Africa in the above diagram looks in a general sense to the south, they see the that star swirling around a southern celestial pole. The true star is displaced from due South for each observer, but it could be shifted to be more due South for the observer through the below light mechanism.

Logically it makes more sense that there is only one mechanism for multiple phenomena, rather than multiple mechanisms for multiple phenomena. In the Monopole model the appearance of the South Celestial Pole could be related to the seasons. On a Monopole Model the seasonal daylight patterns, where wide extents of the Earth receive daylight when the Sun moves to the South, can be explained with a magnifying dome model where the light creates broad shapes at different positions. Since we do not live in a perfect world, it does not necessarily follow that the Sun's area of light will make a circular shape at all times, or that the light of the Sun will necessarily engulf all of the Earth at once. If the light is shining through imperfect affecting phenomena it may bend upwards and widen into a non-circular shape. The upwards bending of light here also explains the general phenomena of night and day.

In the above, the seasonal daylight patterns of the Flat Earth Monopole Model are satisfactorily, and coincidentally, simulated with a magnifying dome.

If light behaves as if it were coming through a dome magnifying glass, another interesting aspect is that it is seen that the view from the underside of the dome can create an effect which could create a southern celestial system.

The Southern Celestial system is artificial, and only encompasses the stars around the true area of stars.

Since the stars are rotating over the Earth like the Sun, the night sky is over South America and Australia at different times, observers in those areas will see the same stars spinning around their observed South Celestial Pole when it is night for those areas. In the case of Africa and South America, they may be close enough together that the stars they see are the same stars, except moved more towards the South for each observer and located on one part or side of the apparent ring of stars than the other.

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 12, 2024, 02:55:20 AM »
It's clearly the beginning of the end for Donald Trump.

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 11, 2024, 10:34:01 PM »
Quote from: WTF_Seriously
It is the fact that you have objects orbiting and rotating on different planes that gives you the answer to your question.

They are not on different planes during the Total Solar Eclipse.

During the Total Solar Eclipse the Sun and Moon are on the same plane with the Earth, the Ecliptic. The Moon is on the Ecliptic during the Total Solar Eclipse.

https://socratic.org/questions/why-don-t-we-have-eclipses-every-month

"The lunar orbit around Earth is tilted 5.8 degrees to ecliptic apparent path of Sun. Moon goes round the Earth once in 27 days 8 hours. But full moon to full moon is 29.5 days. Eclipses happen only at the point of intersection of both these orbits called nodes."

The Total Solar Eclipse can only occur when the Moon intersects the Ecliptic and the Sun.

The Ecliptic intersects the Earth here as in the previous figure we saw:

The highest apex above the Equator the Ecliptic touches on the Earth's surface is the Tropic of Cancer. The Tropic of Cancer clearly cuts through Mexico, at a lower latitude than the USA:

Yet in the recent April 2024 eclipse, the Path of Totality where observers could see the Total Solar Eclipse looked like this. The people in these cities saw a Total Solar Eclipse:

For some reason the Path of Totality was above the Tropic of Cancer, and was angled northward towards Maine. Why is this?

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 11, 2024, 06:46:38 PM »
Yes, the RE Earth is tilted in relation to the Ecliptic, and the the area of the Earth deviates to the North or South a bit, but I still would not expect those shapes, locations, or angles the shadow appears and takes. In Round Earth Theory, during the Total Solar Eclipse the Moon is in alignment with the Sun and Earth, on the Ecliptic, so I would expect the shadow to appear on the line of the Ecliptic upon the Earth -- the plane of the Sun-Earth system.

I would expect the Total Solar Eclipse shadow to appear here on this path upon the Earth:

The Total Solar Eclipse occurs when the Moon is aligned with the Ecliptic and the Sun:

https://www.space.com/solar-eclipses-all-ring-shaped-future

Here is a Partial Eclipse, as seen from Earth:

https://rwoconne.github.io/rwoclass/astr1230/4.2-eclipses.html

"Viewed on the celestial sphere from the Earth, the node is where the Moon's celestial path crosses the ecliptic. See the diagram below (click for enlargement). Only if the Sun and Moon are both near the node at the same time can a solar eclipse occur. If the Sun and Moon are both near enough to the node but the alignment is not perfect, a partial eclipse will occur, as in the figure"

Why is the Moon's shadow at the time of the Total Solar Eclipse placed elsewhere other than the plane of the ecliptic upon the earth? The time of the Total Eclipse should be where the Moon intersects the Sun on the Ecliptic.

The "Path of Totality", where the Moon completely completely covers the Sun in Total Solar Eclipse, and the point where the Moon crosses the Ecliptic in the sky to the observer, is often visible to observers from a very odd shape upon the Earth. All of the observers on this darkened path see the Moon completely covering the sun in complete totality:

https://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/2024-total-solar-eclipse-guide

I understand the desire to obfuscate, but it is clear that there is something not explained here.

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 11, 2024, 03:48:38 PM »
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It mentions it just after 3 minutes in.

No, it doesn't explain it. This is what it says at the 3 minute mark, that straight lines will look like curves at another angle:

Angle 1:

Angle 2:

This does not answer why the lines move North-South. It answers a different question of why they might appear curved.

To understand this just put Google Earth in Globe mode, define some straight lines across the globe and then go back in to map projection mode. Voila:

Basically, it's a 2D line - the shadow path - mapped on to a 3D object - the globe - which is also spinning. And the rate of that spin varies with latitude.

It's a bit complicated, but if you look at the example at just after 3 minutes in to that video you can have a go yourself to help you understand it. A lot of your FE belief seems to stem from you not understanding the RE model and thus declaring it impossible.

That's not an explanation for why it travels North-South. This is an explanation for why a line might appear straight on a globe and make those curves on a map projection. You drew the North-South line there, not explained how that could occur in RE with a Moon which moves East to West.

Also, the below are not map projections. The lines do not appear straight or consistently curved here:

http://eclipse-maps.com/Eclipse-Maps/Welcome.html

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 11, 2024, 11:28:26 AM »
The Solar Eclipse eclipse paths on a Flat Earth make more sense to me than the Solar Eclipse paths on the Round Earth.

I think I've identified the issue.
This is a bit complicated but this video does a reasonable job of explaining it:

The headline is that straight lines when mapped on to a globe aren't straight when shown on a 2d map projection.
And the earth is rotating at different speeds at different latitudes, which complicates things.
Also note that the width of the eclipse path changes with latitude. The size of the shadow isn't different, it's just that the angle of the earth's surface with respect to that shadow is different which means it can be seen over a wider area.

That video is titled "Why Do Eclipses Travel WEST to EAST?" and does not attempt to even explain the North-South movements. I am not asking why the eclipses travel West to East. I am asking why they make North-South movements, and make shapes like this:

Not only is there North-South movement, there many of them there is also a point of inflection, with one concave and one convex arch and where the eclipse changes direction.

The shapes are quite radical on a Round Earth, and there appears to be a lack of a coherent explanation for what is occurring here:

http://eclipse-maps.com/Eclipse-Maps/Welcome.html

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: gravity in different places and universal acceleration
« on: April 10, 2024, 11:59:22 PM »
The surface of the earth is most certainly accelerating upwards. See the page on Universal Acceleration and the sub pages in the end section which goes through the evidence. There is so much evidence for this that even in the official Round Earth Theory, the surface of the earth is accelerating upwards through the hidden dimension of curved spacetime to explain the multitude of physical and experimental evidence. The fact that mainstream physicists need this sort of meta-physics with hidden realities to conjure together an explanation is itself a proof, and one of my favorite proofs.

In regards to the gravitational changes by location, there have been some internal FE hypotheses over the years that the earth is accelerating upwards as the primary effect and there may be a small amount of gravitation as an addition. However, the latest research on gravitational variations seems to show that there is conflicting evidence on this subject and there likely are  no gravity changes. Universal Acceleration reigns supreme. See this page on that topic: https://wiki.tfes.org/Variations_in_Gravity

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 10, 2024, 11:46:26 PM »
"The former president owns a majority stake in the company and his stake was valued at about \$2.9 billion on Monday, down from a peak of over \$6 billion after its debut on its trading debut."

It sounds like Trump's stake is still worth billions. This still appears to be his most profitable venture, and appears to be a doing lot better than most business ventures.

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 10, 2024, 01:55:43 AM »
The Solar Eclipse eclipse paths on a Flat Earth make more sense to me than the Solar Eclipse paths on the Round Earth. Consider the map paths on a Round Earth. On the eclipse path maps the Moon's shadow is making quite sharp North-South movements over the course of a few hours. However, the Moon does not orbit the earth in a sharp South-West to North-East angle.

In RE Moon's orbit deviates by only 5 degrees from the plane of the ecliptic, the Sun-Earth plane. It is also only moving slightly slower in the Sun in the sky, setting 50 minutes later each day

https://web.archive.org/web/20190211123505/http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/Astr2016/lectures/skyappearance.htm

Consider how the above, with a Moon that moves slowly across the sky in comparison to the Sun, can make all of these wild shapes:

http://eclipse-maps.com/Eclipse-Maps/Welcome.html

Curiously, on a Northern Azimuthal FE map, the paths of the Solar Eclipse make symmetrical arcs:

From A Text-Book of Astronomy by George C. Comstock

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/34834/34834-h/34834-h.htm

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Fig. 36.—Central eclipses for the first two decades of the twentieth century. Oppolzer.

Future eclipses.—An eclipse map of a different kind is shown in Fig. 36, which represents the shadow paths of [pg. 114] all the central eclipses of the sun, visible during the period 1900-1918 A. D., in those parts of the earth north of the south temperate zone. Each continuous black line shows the path of the shadow in a total eclipse, from its beginning, at sunrise, at the western end of the line to its end, sunset, at the eastern end, the little circle near the middle of the line showing the place at which the eclipse was total at noon. The broken lines represent similar data for the annular eclipses. This map is one of a series prepared by the Austrian astronomer, Oppolzer, showing the path of every such eclipse from the year 1200 B. C. [pg. 115] to 2160 A. D., a period of more than three thousand years.

Also see this image:

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: April 05, 2024, 02:58:37 PM »

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 03, 2024, 02:42:13 AM »
Even transgender rights activist Caitlyn Jenner says that Biden is trolling and misusing the day -

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 03, 2024, 02:22:59 AM »
A presidential proclamation that Easter Day is the Trans Day is simply obvious far-left trolling, like with all of the I-am-Satan references Biden made during his campaign that we previously looked at.

Another hint of this trolling is that the White House didn't include the Transgender Day of Visibility on their Spanish feeds, despite them including other days.

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 03, 2024, 12:47:04 AM »
Joe Biden published it on the 29th. Easter was the 31st.

Is the argument here that he didn't know it was Easter and would have not published that had he known?

Is no one at the White House editing these proclamations?

The White House has a team of people. On the 28th they were planning Easter Egg hunts for Easter, so they clearly knew what day it was.

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 02, 2024, 10:17:40 PM »
It looks to me like he had a choice to declare this Easter a trans day and decided to do so. The argument that he didn't do this is clearly false.

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 02, 2024, 08:16:10 PM »
Apparently there are LGBT days every week: https://glaad.org/reference/calendar/

It was absolutely Joe Biden's decision to issue a presidential proclamation that Easter Day was transgender day. It just happened to be that day. If it was International Lesbian Day he would have proclaimed that instead. He had a choice not to do this, but he did it anyway.

Joe Biden has not issued presidential proclamations for each of those many LGBT days on that page. There are not weekly presidential proclamations for the gay day of the week. He chose to emphasize this Easter one.

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 02, 2024, 12:32:58 PM »
Wow, I hadn't heard that he did this.

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 01, 2024, 03:25:55 PM »
It's an admission that they don't have a real eclipse prediction method based on modern RE theories and are still using the Saros Cycle, an ancient pattern-based eclipse predicting scheme created by a society of Flat Earthers.

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