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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Una pequeña inquietud / A small concern
« on: November 15, 2017, 05:09:07 AM »
Wow!  In all the time I've been on tfes.org - I think this is the first time an FE'er has ever been convinced that the Earth is round!

We've found an honest person who can follow a logical argument!

Hola, seguí investigando y me encontré este vídeo:

Creo que me parece interesante que se pueda notar al sol dentro de las nubes y el reflejo de su luz.

Y estoy viendo un vídeo sobre la perspectiva del sol. Si me convence lo publico aquí para sacar mas conclusiones

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Hi, I kept researching and I found this video:

I think it's interesting that you can notice the sun inside the clouds and the reflection of its light.

And I'm watching a video on the perspective of the sun. If it convinces me I publish it here to draw more conclusions

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Una pequeña inquietud
« on: November 11, 2017, 09:59:11 PM »
Great, great video .. Although I think that the slight curvature that you see is part of the perspective of the distance to where the camera is pointing, apart from the fact that the camera is not kept on a horizontal axis, when turning it you always need to straighten your shot to focus towards the distance, towards the line that we want to see to determine if there is curvature or not.

Nope - perspective is a linear transformation - it can only convert straight lines into straight lines.  It can't convert straight lines into curves because light travels in straight lines.

Sorry - but this IS a bunch of photos of a genuinely curved horizon - you can't hand-wave it away that easily.

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I say the horizontal axis because if you see the sun, it does not maintain a line of movement but moves according to the displacement of the camera.

If it were curved, always, from any view it would look curved, it turns out that it is noticeable at certain moments, which means that in that area of ​​the planet there can be very high mountains that create that effect with the clouds.

It DOES look curved...



...the red line is straight - the horizon CLEARLY curves above it.

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For example in Bolivia, which is said to be the top of the world because of the height at sea level that this country has, but that is another issue.

Another point: the flat earth is still a circumference, a disk, therefore, the perspective of distance will give us an effect of curvature towards where we look.

Ah - but that doesn't work because this video is taken from 115,000 feet - nowhere NEAR enough to see all the way across the flat earth to the ice wall.

Bueno, creo que por ahora aceptare la tierra esférica, al final, llegue aquí para despejar la duda de los atardeceres, apenas encuentre mas argumentos para debatir volveré y seguiremos la discusión, gracias por el tiempo dedicado!

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Well, I believe that for now I will accept the spherical earth, in the end, I will arrive here to clear the doubt of the sunsets, as soon as I find more arguments to debate, I will return and we will continue the discussion, thanks for the time dedicated!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Una pequeña inquietud
« on: November 11, 2017, 08:37:42 PM »
That’s a stunning video !  You’re quite right, if the Earth was flat, the sun would get smaller as it rotates over the Earth, and then ‘wink out’ as the spotlight passed over you.  It couldn’t set below the horizon if the Earth was flat because in the flat earth model, the sun never drops below the plane.

There are stunning views of the stars appearing to rotate too.  In actual fact, the stars are stationary and it’s the Earth rotating. 

I’m curious to know why you’re almost convinced that the Earth is flat.
Digo 95% porque si vemos a nuestro alrededor, obviamente en vídeos porque no he tenido la oportunidad de estar a una distancia considerablemente alta para sacar una conclusión personal, todo se ve plano, a lo largo y a lo ancho, en ningún punto de vista se nota una curvatura. Y que los vídeos que aparentan mostrar dicha curvatura parecen recreados como un videojuego o como una película de hollywood. Aparte que siempre he tenido la sensación de que el sistema nos miente por todas partes jeje

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I say 95% because if we see around us, obviously in videos because I have not had the opportunity to be at a considerably high distance to draw a personal conclusion, everything looks flat, far and wide, in no point of view note a curvature. And that the videos that appear to show this curvature seem recreated as a videogame or as a Hollywood movie. Apart from that I've always had the feeling that the system lies to us everywhere hehe

You should look at this post: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6926.msg126381#msg126381

It shows a CONTINUOUS video from launch to touchdown of a balloon that travels high enough to clearly demonstrate the curvature.   It was posted by an amateur balloon enthusiast - and really cannot have been faked.   I've even demonstrated that the lens of the camera isn't distorting the horizon (as many FE'ers claimed).

It's the clearest direct evidence I know of.

Genial, genial vídeo.. Aunque pienso que la leve curvatura que se nota forma parte de la perspectiva de la lejanía hacia donde apunta la cámara, aparte que la cámara no se mantiene en un eje horizontal, al girar siempre necesita enderezar su toma para enfocar hacia lo lejos, hacia la línea que queremos ver para determinar si hay curvatura o no.

Digo lo del eje horizontal porque si ves el sol, no mantiene una linea de movimiento sino que se mueve según el desplace de la cámara.

Si fuera curva, siempre, desde cualquier vista se viera curva, resulta que se nota en determinados momentos, lo cual significa que en esa zona del planeta puede haber montañas muy altas que crean ese efecto con las nubes.

Por ejemplo en Bolivia, que se dice que es la cima del mundo por la altura al nivel del mar que tiene dicho país, pero ya ese es otro tema.

Otro punto: la tierra plana sigue siendo una circunferencia, un disco, por lo tanto, la perspectiva de lejanía nos dará un efecto de curvatura hacia donde miremos.

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Great, great video .. Although I think that the slight curvature that you see is part of the perspective of the distance to where the camera is pointing, apart from the fact that the camera is not kept on a horizontal axis, when turning it you always need to straighten your shot to focus towards the distance, towards the line that we want to see to determine if there is curvature or not.

I say the horizontal axis because if you see the sun, it does not maintain a line of movement but moves according to the displacement of the camera.

If it were curved, always, from any view it would look curved, it turns out that it is noticeable at certain moments, which means that in that area of ​​the planet there can be very high mountains that create that effect with the clouds.

For example in Bolivia, which is said to be the top of the world because of the height at sea level that this country has, but that is another issue.

Another point: the flat earth is still a circumference, a disk, therefore, the perspective of distance will give us an effect of curvature towards where we look.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Una pequeña inquietud
« on: November 11, 2017, 05:20:48 PM »
That’s a stunning video !  You’re quite right, if the Earth was flat, the sun would get smaller as it rotates over the Earth, and then ‘wink out’ as the spotlight passed over you.  It couldn’t set below the horizon if the Earth was flat because in the flat earth model, the sun never drops below the plane.

There are stunning views of the stars appearing to rotate too.  In actual fact, the stars are stationary and it’s the Earth rotating. 

I’m curious to know why you’re almost convinced that the Earth is flat.
Digo 95% porque si vemos a nuestro alrededor, obviamente en vídeos porque no he tenido la oportunidad de estar a una distancia considerablemente alta para sacar una conclusión personal, todo se ve plano, a lo largo y a lo ancho, en ningún punto de vista se nota una curvatura. Y que los vídeos que aparentan mostrar dicha curvatura parecen recreados como un videojuego o como una película de hollywood. Aparte que siempre he tenido la sensación de que el sistema nos miente por todas partes jeje

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I say 95% because if we see around us, obviously in videos because I have not had the opportunity to be at a considerably high distance to draw a personal conclusion, everything looks flat, far and wide, in no point of view note a curvature. And that the videos that appear to show this curvature seem recreated as a videogame or as a Hollywood movie. Apart from that I've always had the feeling that the system lies to us everywhere hehe

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Flat Earth Theory / Una pequeña inquietud / A small concern
« on: November 11, 2017, 03:02:46 PM »
SPANISH/ESPAÑOL

Saludos a todos. Estoy 95% convencido de que la tierra es plana, pero solo me queda una duda por despejar. Y es la puesta del sol.
Se supone que si es plana, el sol debería alejarse desde el punto donde se ve hasta un punto que no se vea por lógica, causando un efecto de perspectiva volviéndose cada ves mas pequeño mientras se aleja. Pero al hacerlo el sol baja, se oculta, no disminuye su tamaño en proporción a su alejamiento. ¿Como podemos despejar esta duda? ¿Cual seria la explicación? Acá les dejo un video de youtube para que vean lo que me genera la duda: https://goo.gl/QdhCWF

Gracias de antemano!

ENGLISH/INGLES

Greetings to all. I am 95% convinced that the earth is flat, but I only have one doubt to clear. And it is the sunset.
It is assumed that if it is flat, the sun should move away from the point where it is seen to a point that is not seen by logic, causing a perspective effect becoming smaller and smaller as it moves away. But when doing it the sun goes down, it is hidden, it does not diminish its size in proportion to its distance. How can we clear this doubt? What would be the explanation? Here I leave a YouTube video so you can see what the doubt causes me: https://goo.gl/QdhCWF


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