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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 08, 2024, 01:10:41 PM »

Ukraine is a corrupt country, with a long history of supporting criminal activity for criminal gangs involved in human trafficking and money laundering.

Iran says America is a corrupt country, with a long history of supporting criminal activity for criminal gangs involved in human trafficking and money laundering. It's ok for them to invade us?


Yes, you, the Republicans and Trump support the expansion of righteous Russia. Russia is built on good, wholesome family values. Putin hardly ever assassinates or jails his adversaries. The people of Russia enjoy wonderful lives, free speech and protect Europe from the terrible Nazis in Ukraine. Russia's support will be critical to Trump in the next election and he nurtures it.

But of course, in the Bizarro world of flat earth, Russia is a country of liberty, hope and prosperity while Ukraine (a small country with a short Jewish comedy actor as president whose parents died in the Holocaust) is a Naxi threat to the planet.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 12:35:21 PM »

I think you're making a long line of assumptions, assumptions that those interested would like you to make. No one here was arguing there was a complete lack of election interference (there was, as evidence you provided shows!). That was the entire point of the Mueller report! Except, it didn't prove anything about Trump, you know, the person the title of the thread mentions?

The problem is your logical leap that Trump was personally involved, despite the lack of evidence. It's at best wishful thinking on your part, at worst, a purposeful attempt to muddy the waters.

While Russia was proven to be helping Republicans, it didn't work out for them. Because, and I know this is hard for you to accept, but the Russian government is dumb as bricks. They got Trump elected and then he immediately began telling NATO that they should expand their defense spending. The same organization currently fighting Russia in Ukraine? I guess big brain Putin wanted NATO to waste his resources the whole time! Wow!

Again, you didn't read the report, again, you are making massive assumptions about the state of reality based on some news articles you read. Your entire concept of modern geopolitics seems to begin and end at "Trump bad because Putin did thing "

No, you didn't read the report. You're mindlessly quoting Trump apologists.
The report could not connect Trump directly in a criminal context but outlines overwhelming circumstantial evidence that he was involved. The Russians broke into the DNC servers, stole emails and contacted the Republicans. The ideal that Trump didn't know anything about it and would have stopped it if he found out is ridiculous.

The Democrat House judiciary committee chairman Jerold Nadler opened questioning on Wednesday by asking Mr Mueller whether Donald Trump had been accurate to claim he was "exonerated" by the special counsel report, to which Mr Muller replied with an emphatic "No".

Download the report, seriously. At 400 pages, it sounds like a lot but there is a lot of white space and is not hard to read or understand.

But that was then, this is now. We know Trump planned to let Russia have Ukraine for which they would render all kinds of political support. There is a lot more evidence now. Giuliani's good buddies, Lev and Igor are getting out of prison and are writing books that you won't read filled with all kinds of stuff you don't want to believe.

And this from Trump's attempt to be America's first king....
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-denied-presidential-immunity-in-election-interference-case-court-rules

The bummer is that Biden doesn't have immunity to send Seal Team Six to assassinate traitorous insurrectionist who collaborate with enemies to subvert our democracy.

The cool part is that Trump's idiotic argument got shot down and he only has a couple of weeks to find a lawyer and mount an appeal to the supreme court.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 06, 2024, 01:02:42 PM »

Not one bit of what you provided had to do with 2016.

What about the US Government that is interested in securing the US border?

Seems they are more interested in securing the borders of Ukraine (against Putin, by the way) and Israel.

Can you even see straight, given all the crapola you have spewed lately?

WEAK...Weak...

We had a deal to strengthen the border that everybody liked but your daddy Trump ordered his minions to kill it before they even read it.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/05/trump-maga-senate-border-deal-mcconnell

Trump wants to screw up this country and tell us that he is the cure.

You remind me of the frightened senior citizens living in Northern Minnesota stockpiling weapons to fight off waves Mexican immigrants sweeping through the countryside. They believe all the stupid shit they see on NewsMax and don't understand where the food in this country really comes from.

Dude, you were ten years old in 2016. You think Trump is securing the nation and it's borders? He couldn't even secure his own twitter account (hacked 3 times).

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 05, 2024, 10:03:35 PM »

I have read it. It's a pdf in a folder on my desktop. 400 pages. I study that shit. I have screen shots from Russian websites, I download and translate documents. All your conservative heroes are there.

Uh huh...

The Mueller Report is still available for download...

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

You should download a copy and STFU.

Wow, instead of giving me all the hot specifics of your claims, you tell me "just read it yourself" right after claiming you've read it when you obviously have not. This is just embarrassing, why are you doing this? Like, why bother posting about it at all?

I guess it's tough to keep your worldview in line with your beliefs when your beliefs are based on a few op-ed's you read three years ago.

I just went through all this with Pete a few posts ago and you missed it just like the first time you missed it 2016.

But don't worry, You don't need to read anything, you can just listen to Trump. It's all a hoax. Russia is your friend.



U.S. Department of Justice
Attorney Work Product // May Contain Material Protected Under Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(e)II. RUSSIAN “ACTIVE MEASURES” SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN
The first form of Russian election influence came principally from the Internet Research
Agency, LLC (IRA), a Russian organization funded by Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin and
companies he controlled, including Concord Management and Consulting LLC and Concord
Catering (collectively “Concord”).2 The IRA conducted social media operations targeted at large
U.S. audiences with the goal of sowing discord in the U.S. political system.3 These operations
constituted “active measures” (активные мероприятия), a term that typically refers to operations
conducted by Russian security services aimed at influencing the course of international affairs.4
The IRA and its employees began operations targeting the United States as early as 2014.
Using fictitious U.S. personas, IRA employees operated social media accounts and group pages
designed to attract U.S. audiences. These groups and accounts, which addressed divisive U.S.
political and social issues, falsely claimed to be controlled by U.S. activists. Over time, these
social media accounts became a means to reach large U.S. audiences. IRA employees travelled to
the United States in mid-2014 on an intelligence-gathering mission to obtain information and
photographs for use in their social media posts.
IRA employees posted derogatory information about a number of candidates in the 2016
U.S. presidential election. By early to mid-2016, IRA operations included supporting the Trump
Campaign and disparaging candidate Hillary Clinton. The IRA made various expenditures to carry
out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S.
persons and entities. Some IRA employees, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their
Russian association, communicated electronically with individuals associated with the Trump
Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities, including the
staging of political rallies.5 The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons
knowingly or intentionally coordinated with the IRA’s interference operation.
By the end of the 2016 U.S. election, the IRA had the ability to reach millions of U.S.
persons through their social media accounts.

etc, etc, etc...


Yep, the Russians were behind "KIDS4TRUMP," "Tea Party News," and all kinds of other Trump crap that you gobble up.
Putin's calling upon you to "Be Patriotic" "Stop All Invaders" and "Secure the borders!" (all Russian Facebook groups) Putin wants what's best for our country.


It's probably best that you didn't read any of it and have no clue. If you knew the truth about Republicans, you wouldn't believe it anyway.
Just one Russian Facebook group made over 80,000 postings that got lots of likes from idiotic rednecks that will eat something they find on the sidewalk without thinking.

BTW- That was 2016. Today, Russia is promoting the stolen election lie and predicting civil war for America. You have Putin, Trump and Jesus all still working hard for the causes you believe in and support.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 04, 2024, 08:37:00 PM »

There's that apparent hatred again. This conversation really boils down to:
-I read a thing
-Oh? Name a part you liked
-[A multi-paragraph diatribe on how naming one thing wouldn't change anything, because no one would believe you anyway (and it's everyone else's fault ofc).]

Surely you can see how that would affect anyone's willingness to believe you. Especially when you're claiming something as mundane as reading a PDF.

Yeah... I am getting grumpier than usual. I've been a conservative all my life and supported Republicans. Then I find them in bed with the Russians, don't even get me started on the psychos at the NRA!

I'm an openly bisexual man with fairly strong liberal leanings.

You will not be asked to prove this with screencaps.

Coincidentally, I'm not sure you were around when this was put in place, but visits to this website from Russia are still redirected to https://ru.tfes.org/. Obviously that's trivial to circumvent, it's just an IP check, but I thought you might enjoy it nonetheless.

Oh yeah! Dude, I totally forgot about that.
Honestly, I never expected things to go this long. I thought that within a week of the invasion, Ukraine would be gone and by now a few other former Soviet countries would also be part of the new Russia. This was Trump's solution, he would have it handled in days.
I thought that this would be over and we'd all go back to bug bounties.

I made the decision and as long as they won't give up, I'm going to do what I can to help them.
I've been working to find a deal to get some free anonymous webhosting on a Russian webhost but it's harder these days. Things are more... fortified... lately. If something comes up, I could share that page with the good people of Russia. Public support for the invasion is weakening and could eventually fail like Afghanistan.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 04, 2024, 03:42:18 PM »

It shows personal growth that you admit you haven't read the document and admit your total ignorance on the subject.

Why are you so obsessed with what I do or don't know? I made no statement either way - I'm merely asking that you back up your own claims. But, for some extremely unclear reason, you keep trying to make it about what I know, not what you know.

It just boggles the mind. Why would someone so knowledgeable about a subject be so desperate to avoid recalling any of his knowledge?

My files are in large subjects generally chronological.  Since the invasion of Ukraine, Trump (and the Republicans) sucking Putin's dick just happens to be on the top of the stack right now.

So, no screenshot then?

As someone in the biz, do you sincerely agree with what Trump said about Russian attacks in 2016,
“I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK? You don’t know who broke in to DNC,” he said."

What are you talking about? There is overwhelming evidence that Russia attempted to, and succeeded to some extent, to influence the outcome of the election. What does any of that have to do with your claims of having read a document?

As someone who lives in Europe

I'm guessing you are comforted by [shit that has nothing to do with electoral systems]

Please elaborate - what does your comment on the most common electoral system in modern republics have to do with [checks notes] Putin something something evil gays?

Surely you see that doubling down on this lie doesn't do you any good.

I was under the impression you lived in Europe enjoying the peace and stability that Russia's defense of the continent brings. 

I liked the screenshot idea. But truthfully, there's nothing that would ever change the perceptions of a flat earther. They dismiss any form of evidence that doesn't agree with their beliefs.

Still, I thought it was a cool challenge. Really, without any documentation of my claims, I would just be another loudmouth on the internet spewing a lot of noise, like Pete.

So I went through my "hacker folder" and took a stroll down memory lane. My first 'date' with Russia was over nine years ago but the last two years have been the hardest.


https://imgur.com/a/iTSW0uu

So what's the point of this post?
 America in under attack from Russia and their most effective weapon is Republicans and the idiots they manipulate.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 03, 2024, 10:09:35 PM »

Preaching? Where did you get that idea? I haven't made grandiose claims about having read it, nor did I say anything about not having read it. You're the one who suggested that you've thoroughly scrutinised it, and how you believe every American should subject themselves to the very same ritual... and yet you're being awfully defensive about mentioning even a single detail you recall. Y'know, by now you could have opened the PDF that's totally on your desktop, picked a fun fact, and posted it here.

It shows personal growth that you admit you haven't read the document and admit your total ignorance on the subject.

Are all of these in folders on your desktop, or is it just the Trump-Russia case that earns this special spot?

If you can't recall any detail from this extensive research (wow!), perhaps you could post a screenshot of your desktop, with all these neatly-arranged folders?

My files are in large subjects generally chronological.  Since the invasion of Ukraine, Trump (and the Republicans) sucking Putin's dick just happens to be on the top of the stack right now.

I wonder - is there a document on your desktop listing all countries with a single nationwide electoral system, or is it just a PNG file with the word "Russia" poorly handdrawn on a laptop touchpad? Because, y'know, them's a few countries that should be on that list.

Excellent! A semi-genuine point! This is why I come here.

Many fucked up autocracies exhibit the symptomology of a heavily federalized election system. But, Russia is the one fucking with me now.

Now some questions for you...

As someone in the biz, do you sincerely agree with what Trump said about Russian attacks in 2016,
“I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK? You don’t know who broke in to DNC,” he said."

 I mean seriously, Putin is a man of integrity and Cozy Bear would never do anything like that. We'll just never know, no point in looking. Right? They would never involve themselves in the politics of other countries. Just like the U.S would never do that.

As someone who lives in Europe, I'm guessing you are comforted by Putin's work to defend the continent from Ukrainian Nazi extremist and hoping Putin's tanks will roll into town to protect you from America's homosexuality and drug addictions? It's strange that the people of Estonia and Latvia don't share your enthusiasm.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 03, 2024, 06:31:09 PM »

Kramer won't even try to detangle the Republicans want to be just like the Russians and Putin, supporting his expansion, while at the same time voting to send BILLIONS to Ukraine.

Got a reasonable explanation?

It's happening all around you. Trump tried to federalize the election system his first year in office (like Russia,) Republicans are pushing for unlimited immunity of the executive branch (like Russia,) Nikki Haley wants to make anonymous social media accounts illegal (like Russia.) It goes on and on.

Just go back to sleep,

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 03, 2024, 02:57:44 PM »

That was years ago

And you kept it on your desktop for years? Gosh!

and every American should have read it

Mhm, mhm. So, you consider it a foundational piece that all of your countrymen should have read, but you can't recall a single substantial detail?

I appreciate your attempts to set up a "joke's on you I was only pretending" conclusion, though. I'll dig out the jpeg.

So here you are, preaching to me about the report and you've never read it.
Yes, I have years of files (almost a decade) about cyberattacks, breeches, malware and disinformation campaigns. Russia has a special folder all its own.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 03, 2024, 02:36:22 PM »

I have read it. It's a pdf in a folder on my desktop. 400 pages. I study that shit.

Then you'll easily be able to provide us with more meaningful detail than that you store your files on the desktop like a savage, or an approximate page count.

Read your reply and throw in a few "believe me"s and" "it's true... it's true"s. That's how believable your story of Studying That Shit is, because you forgot to offer anything of substance.

That was years ago, and every American should have read it.

Honestly Pete, we give you all the resources you need to educate yourself on the world around you but you can't seem to grow in the slightest. If you can't deduce the truth from very basic materials provided then I nor anybody on the forum can help you.
I suggest you spend some time with the Wiki reviewing the events in question so you won't embarrass yourself further.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 03, 2024, 02:58:17 AM »

Putin supports a candidate because it is best for Russia. They did it in Crimea, Venuzuela, they're doing it in the Czech Republic now. The Mueller Report wasn't just accurate, it was just the tip of the iceberg. While the words "Russia Hoax" were coming out of Trump's stupid face, the Russians had the Solarwinds attack already underway and were exfiltrating huge amounts of our most secret data from the highest level of government computers at that very moment.

At the time of the Mueller report, the connection between Russia and Republicans was just political, Russia supported Republicans in the election and Republicans would support Russian expansion in Europe. But now the connection is ideological. The Republicans want to BE Russia, they want to have a leader with absolute immunity, they want to ban books, federalize elections, incarcerate homosexuals, jail their political opponents, have government run media and churches.

People that think the "Trump is a Putin puppet" narrative has never applied to the real world and still parrot Putin's propaganda are concerning.

I like how you say "The Mueller Report" like you've read it. But, if you had read it, surely you would give more specific information. And yet, you don't. Why is that? Ah, it's because it contains none. So, even if you had read it, which I find doubtful, it would still not help you. Sad!

Go on. Give me details. Give me convictions. Tell me the wide ranging stories of horrific collusion. I want to hear it all. Enlighten me.

I have read it. It's a pdf in a folder on my desktop. 400 pages. I study that shit. I have screen shots from Russian websites, I download and translate documents. All your conservative heroes are there.

Check out Putin's buttbuddy Tucker Carlson getting a shout out on dzen. Russia appreciates the support of Americans like you.

https://dzen.ru/a/ZQH6dLl1HHUtd_uC

Yep, just over 600,000 followers...

The Mueller Report is still available for download...

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

You should download a copy and STFU.

 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Americans think democracy is in peril

« on: February 03, 2024, 01:26:46 AM »

The reason that both parties are preaching collapse is because it's in their best interest.

No one ever went broke selling fear and anger.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 03, 2024, 01:20:11 AM »

The "Trump is a Putin puppet" narrative has never applied to the real world; that anyone still parrots it is concerning. Yes, Trump said Putin was very, very smart. He also said Kim Jong was very, very smart. He also said Ted Cruz was very, very smart. Trump says it about literally everyone he wants something from.

Absolutely wrong.

Putin supports a candidate because it is best for Russia. They did it in Crimea, Venuzuela, they're doing it in the Czech Republic now. The Mueller Report wasn't just accurate, it was just the tip of the iceberg. While the words "Russia Hoax" were coming out of Trump's stupid face, the Russians had the Solarwinds attack already underway and were exfiltrating huge amounts of our most secret data from the highest level of government computers at that very moment.

At the time of the Mueller report, the connection between Russia and Republicans was just political, Russia supported Republicans in the election and Republicans would support Russian expansion in Europe. But now the connection is ideological. The Republicans want to BE Russia, they want to have a leader with absolute immunity, they want to ban books, federalize elections, incarcerate homosexuals, jail their political opponents, have government run media and churches.

People that think the "Trump is a Putin puppet" narrative has never applied to the real world and still parrot Putin's propaganda are concerning.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 02, 2024, 12:45:03 PM »

Let's be clear on this point, especially given Action80's response to this. There is no genuine friendship or camaraderie between Trump and Putin. Trump probably thinks there is, but to Putin, Trump is nothing more than a useful idiot, someone he can easily twist and manipulate into saying and doing what he wants through flattery and favors. He successfully manipulated Trump many times while he was in office, and if Trump is reelected, he'll undoubtedly do so again.

It's not just Putin, a lot of world leaders feel this way about Trump. Also, a lot of Trump megadonors and other high profile people are working Trump in the same way to get themselves ahead.

The funny part is that Trump is thinking how his followers are the useful idiots to twist and manipulate.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 01, 2024, 10:07:09 PM »

You have a problem with two people getting along with each other?

I have a problem with a rich, spoiled man-child using his resources to collaborate with a national adversary in an agenda to subvert our democracy while conscripting an army of redneck idiots to violently overthrow our government and put him in power.

But, you should totally buddy up with Putin and Trump. All their friends and supporters seem to prosper and succeed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 01, 2024, 02:45:35 AM »

He doesn't have to pay anything until appeals are played out.

HAHAHAHAHH!!!

You're absolutely right!
In fact, you can help defend your homie!

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-doesn-t-answer-asked-171850059.html

Trump needs patriots like you to help defend him from these liberal jackals. You go Boy!!


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-50-million-donor-money-legal-bills-2023-1234956948/

Fuck those liberals at Rolling Stone supposed "magazine'. Your credit card can help fight the battle against woke homosexuals.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/haley-campaign-cash-trump-warned-donors-barred-maga

Don't send your money to that bird brain! Send it to me!

lol

I understand the logic of giving everyone fair justice and someone has to speak up for the accused but this is beyond flat earth belief. At least, the earth 'looks' flat and I can understand that. But even from a great altitude, Trump's bullshit is continental in scale. It's one thing to be part of the system to exonerate someone as an element of justice but to be a ding-bat sending Trump money that could be buying shoes for his kids is willful ignorance.
He is exploiting the ignorant and taking their money.

As frightening as it may be to think that his followers are allowed to vote, the idea that they can buy as many guns and bullets as they want with no questions asked about their past, no accountability, no financial responsibility, takes the whole thing to another level.
At least, they have to show ID to buy beer.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 20, 2024, 04:41:11 PM »

Roger Stone, Trump's henchman permanently tattooed with Nixon's face, who called in right wing extremist like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to attack our nation's capital along with the mob of sub-normal MAGAnoids is back in the news.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/19/roger-stone-prosecuted-eric-swalwell-alleged-death-threat

Which reminds us of this video.

Bonus question:
Which capeshit arch-villain are we looking at?
I was thinking Penguin but it could be Joker, maybe General Zod with his superpowers neutralized by some kind of force field.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 10, 2024, 03:48:46 AM »

Trump might want to rethink his claim of absolute presidential immunity.  Biden might just get some ideas about how to get Trump off of all the ballots once and for all.

"I asked you a yes or no question," the judge said. "Could a president who ordered SEAL Team Six to assassinate a political rival, who was not impeached, would he be subject to criminal prosecution?"

"If he were impeached and convicted first, and so — " Sauer began.

"So your answer is no," Pan said.

Trump was always so jealous of Putin because he could just make his opponents 'fall out of a window.' It sounds cool until you're not President anymore and have to stay away from windows.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 10, 2024, 02:29:45 AM »

I can't tell if it was made by a real-life Trumpian or somebody making fun of the Donald.
Sadly, Trump posted it like it's real.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 09, 2024, 12:41:34 PM »

It's fairly clear that in the full clip Trump is talking about electromagnets. Trump is shortening 'electromagnet' to 'magnet', as it is a type of magnet which is already explicitly defined in the full speech to be the type in question.

At the 1:30 minute mark of the below fuller video of the clip he even launches into a story about how an engineer named Bill Jones from the NAVY was talking to him and comparing the older and more reliable steam systems with the electromagnetic systems on ships. One of the problems mentioned is that when the electromagnetic systems were exposed to water they would shut down. This is where the concern about water comes from.

The electromagnetic systems the engineer worked on on those NAVY ships was assuredly "waterproofed", but the doors to the systems had to be opened for work and maintenance. The engineer suggests he is concerned about giant waves hitting the ship during maintenance and the water making its way inside and damaging the components, when this was not an issue with previous designs.

https://twitter.com/MostlyPeacefull/status/1744402395826737602

So Trump is giving away vulnerabilities to our naval ships now?

Every time Trump says something staggeringly stupid, I think I'm looking at at the absolutely dumbest piece of shit on the planet. But then I remember there are millions of idiots that believe him and support him. It makes me sad.