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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: February 20, 2017, 01:39:49 AM »
There are other small beaches in that area that point towards Santa Cruz.

I believe I used a reflecting telescope of about 500x. Everything was upside down.

What else would you like to know?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do things fall?
« on: February 19, 2017, 09:06:37 PM »
Does it really matter whether the earth is flat or globe shaped?

That is the primary subject matter here.

I don't see why it matters what mysterious phenomenon causes things to fall, however.

We want to know why things fall down for pretty much the same reason we are curious about the shape of the earth and all the other phenomena we observe.

I think it is just part of human nature to want to know.

Do people walk around all day racking their brains all day about what caused existence? Not really. You simply accept that we exist, and you should simply accept that things fall.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Sun
« on: February 19, 2017, 09:02:20 PM »
I would like to know what force is moving the sun and moon in a circle above the earth? If "gravity doesn't exist" then what causes the sun follow the circular path that the flat earth model describes? I have not yet seen an explanation for this.

Unknown.

The usual FE answer. LOL
On the flat earth, the earth stands still and the sun and the moon move around the earth.
IF the earth WAS flat, that is. Paraphraising the old Will Rogers saying, "All I know is what I read in the flat earth wiki and that's my excuse for ignorance." There are quite a few things that are "unknown" to FE's.6
They are both 32 miles in diameter and 3,000 miles above the earth, just under the ice dome above the earth.
They don't collide with each other since  " they wobble up and down."
I have also read that it has something to do with "the celestial gears."
On the round earth , the sun stands still and the earth  moves around the sun and the moon  moves around the earth . IF the earth IS round, that is.

Why do we have to know everything?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do things fall?
« on: February 19, 2017, 08:16:09 AM »
Does it really matter whether the earth is flat or globe shaped?

That is the primary subject matter here.

I don't see why it matters what mysterious phenomenon causes things to fall, however.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do things fall?
« on: February 19, 2017, 07:32:48 AM »
Does it really matter how things fall?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Sun
« on: February 19, 2017, 02:36:10 AM »
I would like to know what force is moving the sun and moon in a circle above the earth? If "gravity doesn't exist" then what causes the sun follow the circular path that the flat earth model describes? I have not yet seen an explanation for this.

Unknown.

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Yes, hardly identical. One guy has blue eyes and straight teeth and the other guy has brown eyes and a gap in his teeth.

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Keep in mind, we still haven't been shown any good evidence that it was a cover-up in the first place. Is the existence of a few lookalikes really the only "evidence" that you have? In the spirit of the season: Sad! Weak! Terrible!

Because identical doppelgangers with the same name are so common?

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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?

The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.
But why wouldn't they just cover up that there was any failure at all?

Millions of people saw an alleged space ship full of people blow up spectacularly on live TV. They had to do something about that.

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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?

The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.

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Bahahahaa! This makes zero since. So they are still operating under their old SSN? And that's not riskier than trying to get their name changed? Or did they get them a new SSN, forge a work history, family history, but decided "nah, let them keep their old name"? Lol.

Alright, that's all the stupid I can handle for today...

The author of the article exposing the astronauts notes that he searched ancestry.com for SSDI death records for several astronauts and they were not found. A later update towards the bottom in May of 2015 he says that he was suddenly able to find SSDI records for the astronauts on Ancestry and hints at the possibility of the government modifying the SSDI records similar to another case.

Presumably the government did not file proper death records until people started to investigate this matter and they had to sound the alarms and cover up their sloppy mistakes, just as they have tried to cover up so many other mistakes.

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Which is why witness protection never bothered changing people's names either... oh wait. They did.

That would involve convincing other federal agencies to join in on your scam. Sounds risky.

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I noticed you deleted some stuff questioning Judith Reznik's past. In case you are still curious...
https://www.law.yale.edu/judith-resnik
https://www.law.yale.edu/system/files/documents/pdf/JResnik_Publications.pdf

She wrote and dated all of that herself. But it appears that most of her career achievements took place after 2000. Pretty late for an old lady like that.

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"Hey, what should my back story be?"
"Pretend to be a CEO. That should be easy to get away with!"
"Brilliant!"

He went back to school for an MBA. If he was as ambitious as he was in his past life, it follows that he would be a CEO in his new one.

These dead astronauts were reckless and ambitious and achieved too much. Now their pictures are plastered all over the internet.

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So good that they managed to pull off a massive conspiracy without being caught, but so incompetent that they would let the people whose deaths they faked just walk out and live public lives without changing their names or appearances? Lol, ok...

Again, in 1986 the internet was barely an email and bulletin board system, no one had any idea what it could become. None of this would have been discoverable back then at all. The technology of today was unimaginable. People were more anonymous back then. Simple instructions like move to another city and work in a different field may have seemed sufficient to an organization who had never really done this before. They may have even offered to pay to send them back to school.

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And "lie low"? Richard Scobee was a CEO even before disaster happened!

Did you think he would list "Dead Astronaut" on his bio?

Notice how he does not list the date of graduation from his university.

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Right, and you are making that call based on a 30 year timelapse between the photos? Lol. You are seeing what you want to see.

Towards the end of my source article the author attempts to look for birth records of those brothers on Ancestry.com, the most comprehensive genealogy website in the US, and found no records of their birth.

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Newspapers and TV's were a thing back then. This event was all over the news. Their names and faces were all over the news.

Yes, but no one was really looking for them, and trust in NASA was through the roof. They may have had them lie low for a while, and figured that everything would be okay. No one said that NASA was very good at this.

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Like I said, you are seeing what you want to see. Their voices definitely don't sound alike. Finding a picture of them making a similar facial expression is not particularly convincing.

This isn't just passing resemblance here. They are twins right down to that odd lip dip thing she has going on.

They have the same name, they look alike, and have the same facial ticks. It's more than mere chance coincidence.

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2 of them are pictures of their brothers. Lol. Surprise, surprise, brothers look alike.

Plausible, but adult brothers of the same parents usually look different, not identical.

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The entire premise of this is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that if NASA really faked their deaths, they would let them keep their old names? Or that they would make them assume the lives of their brothers without anyone noticing?

The disaster happened on Jan 28th, 1986, long before the internet took off. They may have moved the astronauts to a new city and thought that would be enough. The internet was still very early and mostly in text only stage, and this kind of independent investigation may not have been forseen.

The Judith Resnik women are definitely the same woman.

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Notice the upper lip of the Judith Resnik woman:



Also compare the voice and tone of the astronaut Judith Resniks and the professor Judith Resniks:


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It's interesting that several of those people have the same or similar names as their Challenger doppelgangers.

Source: https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/04/30/are-the-crew-members-of-1986-space-shuttle-challenger-still-alive/












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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Foucault Pendulum
« on: February 15, 2017, 01:11:35 AM »
http://wiki.tfes.org/Foucault_Pendulum

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Mach's Principle explains that if the earth was still and the all the stars went around the Earth then the gravitational pull of the stars would pull the pendulum. As Mach said "The universe is not twice given, with an earth at rest and an earth in motion; but only once, with its relative motions alone determinable. It is accordingly, not permitted us to say how things would be if the earth did not rotate."

Amir D. Aczel, Pendulum: Léon Foucault and the triumph of science

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Latitude
« on: February 13, 2017, 10:14:57 PM »
Are you saying that days of an equinox are the only days that the FE version of the experiment ever work properly?  Why is it that the RE version works just fine on any day of the year?

Actually, the method described in the article works for RET as well. There are several ways to get your latitude, that is only one of them.
Of course it works for RET.  It works for RET on pretty much any day of the year and from pretty much any latitude.  The problem is that it only works for FET on certain days of the year and from certain latitudes.  Why is that?

The method being discussed doesn't work for RET on any day of the year.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Latitude
« on: February 13, 2017, 10:14:18 PM »

Are you saying that days of an equinox are the only days that the FE version of the experiment ever work properly?  Why is it that the RE version works just fine on any day of the year?

Actually, the method described in the article works for RET as well. There are several ways to get your latitude, that is only one of them.

You are right, Tom, it does say equinox.   I mis-applied the wiki latitude formula to a time that wasn't at equinox.   My bad.

Can you please explain how it works on a flat earth?   The north pole for example is 6215 statute miles from the equator.   If the sun is 3,000 miles above the flat earth right over the equator on equinox then its elevation angle would be 25.8 degrees at the poles.   Real observations show the sun to be right on the horizon during the equinox at both poles simultaneously.

How does the flat earth model explain it?   How has TFES derived its latitude formula?
To me, the observations are explained by the spherical earht heliocentric model.

The sun is at or near the horizon at the poles. This is due to other effects which limits its duration, otherwise the earth would be in perpetual daylight.

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