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« Reply #1280 on: September 05, 2016, 11:19:05 AM »
Amusing.
It didn't happen but it's amusing.
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« Reply #1282 on: September 05, 2016, 06:08:52 PM »
Levee, you have it backwards, the Federal Reserve lends to banks, not the other way around. The Federal Reserve's interest rate is a basic component to economics in the US.

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« Reply #1283 on: September 05, 2016, 06:27:29 PM »
Levee, you have it backwards, the Federal Reserve lends to banks, not the other way around. The Federal Reserve's interest rate is a basic component to economics in the US.
He's probably confusing the federal reserve with the various "loans" we've gotten from various nations.  Our "National Debt" as it were.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #1284 on: September 05, 2016, 06:51:22 PM »
One of the world's greatest experts on finances explains how the Fed gets its money:

http://www.schiffradio.com/the-trillion-dollar-trick/

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof.

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond (interest bearing) it can issue a dollar bill (interest-free). The element that makes the bond good makes a bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20 percent, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who contribute directly in some useful way. It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay."

"Among the early experiences that were helpful to me that
I recollect with pleasure was one in working a few days for
a neighbour in digging potatoes—a very enterprising, thrifty
farmer, who could dig a great many potatoes. I was a boy of
perhaps thirteen or fourteen years of age, and It kept me very
busy from morning until night. It was a ten-hour day. And
as I was saving these little sums I soon learned that I could
get as much interest for fifty dollars loaned at seven per cent. —
the legal rate in the state of New York at that time for a year—as I
could earn by digging potatoes for 100 days. The impression was
gaining ground with me that it was a good thing to let the money
be my slave and not make myself a slave to money."


Of course, the Treasury Dept. has also a more mysterious department: the Exchange Stabilization Fund.


The understanding of how the financial International has gradually, right up to our epoch, become the master of money, this magical talisman, which has become for people that which God and the nation had been formerly, is something which exceeds in scientific interest even the art of revolutionary strategy, since this is also an art and also a revolution. I shall explain it to you. Historiographers and the masses, blinded by the shouts and the pomp of the French revolution, the people, intoxicated by the fact that it had succeeded in taking all power from the King and the privileged classes, did not notice how a small group of mysterious, careful and insignificant people had taken possession of the real Royal power, the magical power, almost divine, which it obtained almost without knowing it.

The masses did not notice that the power had been seized by others and that soon they had subjected them to a slavery more cruel than the King, since the latter, in view of his religious and moral prejudices, was incapable of taking advantage of such a power. So it came about that the supreme Royal power was taken over by persons, whose moral, intellectual and cosmopolitan qualities did allow them to use it. It is clear that this were people who had never been Christians, but cosmopolitans.

They had acquired for themselves the real privilege of coining money ... Do not smile, otherwise I shall have to believe that you do not know what moneys are ... I ask you to put yourself in my place. My position in relation to you is that of the assistant of a doctor, who would have to explain bacteriology to a resurrected medical man of the epoch before Pasteur. But I can explain your lack of knowledge to myself and can forgive it. Our language makes use of words which provoke incorrect thoughts about things and actions, thanks to the power of the inertia of thoughts, and which do not correspond to real and exact conceptions. I say: money. It is clear that in your imagination there immediately appeared pictures of real money of metal and paper. But that is not so. Money is now not that; real circulating coin is a true anachronism. If it still exists and circulates, then it is only thanks to atavism, only because it is convenient to maintain the illusion, a purely imaginary fiction for the present day.


If you like, this is perhaps brilliant, but it is not a paradox. I know - and that is why you smiled - that States still coin money on pieces of metal or paper with Royal busts or national crests; well, so what? A great part of the money circulating, money for big affairs, as representative of all national wealth, money, yes money - it was being issued by those few people about whom I had hinted. Titles, figures, cheques, promissory notes, endorsements, discount, quotations, figures without end flooded States like a waterfall. What are in comparison with these the metallic and paper moneys? ... Something devoid of influence, some kind of minimum in the face of the growing flood of the all-flooding financial money. They, being the most subtle psychologists, were able to gain even more without trouble, thanks to a lack of understanding. In addition to the immensely varied different forms of financial moneys, they created credit-money with a view to making its volume close to infinite. And to give it the speed of sound ... it is an abstraction, a being of thought, a figure, number, credit, faith ...

Do you understand already? ... Fraud; false moneys, given a legal standing ..., using other terminology, so that you should understand me. Banks, the stock exchanges and the whole world financial system - is a gigantic machine for the purpose of bringing about unnatural scandals, according to Aristotle's expression; to force money to produce money - that is something that if it is a crime in economics, then in relations to finances it is a crime against the criminal code, since it is usury. I do not know by what arguments all this is justified: by the proposition that they receive legal interest ...

Even accepting that, and even that admission is more than is necessary, we see that usury still exists, since even if the interest received is legal, then it invents and falsifies the non-existent capital. Banks have always by way of deposits or moneys in productive movement a certain quantity of money which is five or perhaps even a hundred times greater than there are physically coined moneys of metal or paper. I shall say nothing of those cases when the credit-moneys, i.e. false, fabricated ones, are greater than the quantity of moneys paid out as capital. Bearing in mind that lawful interest is fixed not on real capital but on non-existing capital, the interest is illegal by so many times as the fictional capital is greater than the real one.

Bear in mind that this system, which I am describing in detail, is one of the most innocent among those used for the fabrication of false money. Imagine to yourself, if you can, a small number of people, having unlimited power through the possession of real wealth, and you will see that they are the absolute dictators of the stock-exchange; and as a result of this also the dictators of production and distribution and also of work and consumption. If you have enough imagination then multiply this, by the global factor and you will see its anarchical, moral and social influence, i.e. a revolutionary one ... Do you now understand?

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #1285 on: September 05, 2016, 10:29:02 PM »
Yeeeaaahhh....

No.  The power to print money is essential to any sovereign nation.  Your country's economy would literally fall apart if it could not print currency.  Well, unless you had a strictly barter system.

Now, printing money inflates it.  The more dollars the US has in physical currency, the less it's worth.  It's all about supply and demand.

As for why bonds are so great, it's simple:
You get money from someone else.  Money that was already in your economy (or someone else's I suppose) goes to you.  You don't have to decrease the value of your own currency to get more money.  So a bond is great.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #1286 on: September 09, 2016, 01:57:30 AM »
i'm p stoked that someone else agrees russia is an ally.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #1287 on: September 09, 2016, 02:18:20 AM »
It's interesting how many opponents of fractional-reserve banking limit their arguments against it to simply describing how it works and stop there, as if they've just blown the lid off of some horrible truth that's so self-evidently and obviously evil that no further discussion is required.  Sure, money multipliers and digital money exist.  So what?  Why is that such a deep moral transgression?

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« Reply #1288 on: September 11, 2016, 07:59:17 PM »
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« Reply #1289 on: September 11, 2016, 08:04:55 PM »
70s?
No.  That's not hot.

She felt weak.  But I won't hold it against her.  FDR couldn't walk at all.
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« Reply #1290 on: September 11, 2016, 08:12:32 PM »
70s?
No.  That's not hot.

She felt weak.  But I won't hold it against her.  FDR couldn't walk at all.

FDR's condition was physical only, his mental state was mostly unaffected until his death.

Hillary's condition stems from complications of her head injury in 2012. The FBI interviews that were released have her admitting that her injury has caused significant ongoing issues, including poor memory. She couldn't even tell them what the (C) stood for in document headers.
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« Reply #1291 on: September 11, 2016, 08:43:26 PM »
70s?
No.  That's not hot.

She felt weak.  But I won't hold it against her.  FDR couldn't walk at all.

FDR's condition was physical only, his mental state was mostly unaffected until his death.

Hillary's condition stems from complications of her head injury in 2012. The FBI interviews that were released have her admitting that her injury has caused significant ongoing issues, including poor memory. She couldn't even tell them what the (C) stood for in document headers.
Didn't't know she was injured.

Well shit.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #1292 on: September 11, 2016, 10:23:33 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-pneumonia.html

She has pneumonia, which is hardly a terminal illness.  It doesn't matter, anyway.  Even if all the memes about how Hillary's health and sanity are hanging by a thread ended up being true, she'd be succeeded by a VP equally qualified at not being Trump.

She couldn't even tell them what the (C) stood for in document headers.

You believed her when she said she didn't know?  I think it's far more likely that she was lying about it.

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« Reply #1293 on: September 12, 2016, 01:35:07 AM »
I don't know, I think we should all just make assumptions about things instead
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« Reply #1294 on: September 12, 2016, 05:02:09 AM »
I don't know, I think we should all just make assumptions about things instead

It's the American Way.
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« Reply #1296 on: September 12, 2016, 11:17:22 AM »

And?
Most of the Republicans trashed Trump and now they support him.

It's politics.
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« Reply #1297 on: September 12, 2016, 11:19:34 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-pneumonia.html

She has pneumonia, which is hardly a terminal illness.  It doesn't matter, anyway.  Even if all the memes about how Hillary's health and sanity are hanging by a thread ended up being true, she'd be succeeded by a VP equally qualified at not being Trump.

She couldn't even tell them what the (C) stood for in document headers.

You believed her when she said she didn't know?  I think it's far more likely that she was lying about it.

This is an interesting post you've made here, Saddam. You've managed to make the argument that I should believe Hillary and her campaign about her health while simultaneously arguing that she lied to the FBI about classification headers (why would she do that, I might add?).

Hillary's condition magically changes based on media coverage of her episodes. She's had erratic coughing fits for over a month but she's only had pneumonia since Friday, isn't that interesting? Furthermore, how does a presidential candidate catch pneumonia in the August/September time frame? Even worse, why would a presidential candidate with a contagious disease hug a little girl the same day that disease caused her to collapse to the ground?


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« Reply #1298 on: September 12, 2016, 11:24:47 AM »
I don't know if I'm going to buy the whole Pneumonia part.  What I would buy is simple exhaustion from the campaign trail.  She's not a young woman and the weakness of the knees (when she stumbled getting into the car) shows more fatigue than anything else.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #1299 on: September 12, 2016, 01:19:05 PM »
yeah i mean what are the odds of a 68 year old woman developing pneumonia

i think ill just believe whatever alex jones says it is that's probably smart
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