[Tom Bishop]

Chris Wallace during the first debate: “Will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?” Joe Biden: “Yes.”

Whoops.

Video:

https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/status/1326483692202635265

[Rama Set]

Chris Wallace during the first debate: “Will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?” Joe Biden: “Yes.”

Whoops.

https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/status/1326483692202635265

I am going to pull from your playbook: it was certified by the media who are independent of Biden.

Now please throw all the rebuttals that we shower you with when you make similarly terrible rationalizations.

On the other hand...  Who gives a fuck if Biden either changed his mind about that or forgot he said that?  I mean it's not like he is bragging about walking unnannounced in to the Miss Teen America dressing room or grabbing women by the pussy, is it?  Surely you can admit that Trump has made much worse ethical violations?  Surely.

[AATW]

Is Tom the first known victim of BDS?

[Rama Set]

Is Tom the first known victim of BDS?

Nah, go have a look on Reddit and he has many compatriots.

[AATW]

Is Tom the first known victim of BDS?

Nah, go have a look on Reddit and he has many compatriots.

Unfortunately, things could get pretty messy in the US and Trump is just adding fuel to the fire.
If...well, let's face it, when Trump's team's legal challenges are laughed out of court you'd like to think that people like Tom would think
"Oh, OK. Well maybe Trump was full of shit then and there was no widespread fraud that robbed Trump of a second term".

But you know what's going to happen. Trump will simply double down and say that the courts are "in on it" or evidence has been suppressed or do anything other to admit that he just lost bigly. And because of that his supporters will believe the same. Trump will continue to believe he was robbed and that means his supporters will believe that they were robbed.

And 70 million people - or a percentage of them - not just feeling pissed off about the result but actively feeling like they've been cheated out of the president they wanted is a recipe for a pretty toxic atmosphere.

[Rama Set]

Is Tom the first known victim of BDS?

Nah, go have a look on Reddit and he has many compatriots.

Unfortunately, things could get pretty messy in the US and Trump is just adding fuel to the fire.
If...well, let's face it, when Trump's team's legal challenges are laughed out of court you'd like to think that people like Tom would think
"Oh, OK. Well maybe Trump was full of shit then and there was no widespread fraud that robbed Trump of a second term".

But you know what's going to happen. Trump will simply double down and say that the courts are "in on it" or evidence has been suppressed or do anything other to admit that he just lost bigly. And because of that his supporters will believe the same. Trump will continue to believe he was robbed and that means his supporters will believe that they were robbed.

And 70 million people - or a percentage of them - not just feeling pissed off about the result but actively feeling like they've been cheated out of the president they wanted is a recipe for a pretty toxic atmosphere.

I agree, this is going to get worse before it gets better.  I personally would like everyone to cool their jets.  The EC doesn't cast their votes until Dec. 14th anyway, so despite Trump's break with decorum and seemingly undeniable loss in the election, it still isn't a legal win yet.  If the responses could be kept to the easy debunking of Trump's actual legal challenges, or reminders that Trump's rhetoric is simply that, the climate might be a little cooler.

[crutonius]

It's almost certainly a bunch of noise.  But still... I was really hoping to be done with Trump nonsense forever but I guess that'll have to wait 70 days.

[Rama Set]

It's almost certainly a bunch of noise.  But still... I was really hoping to be done with Trump nonsense forever but I guess that'll have to wait 70 days.

Once the electoral college votes are allocated it’s all done for Trump.

[AATW]

China congratulate Biden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54871890

Even they can see through Trump’s bullshit now.

[Roundy]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/final-states-called-biden-s-projected-electoral-college-victory-matches-n1247766

Well, it's official (barring something really unlikely in the Georgia recount). Biden won with 306 electoral votes, the same number that Trump got in 2016.

That means Trump officially lost by a landslide against the worst presidential candidate in American history*.

*Trump's own assessment

[Rama Set]

It’s not official. State counts haven’t been certified and the Electoral College hasn’t cast their votes.

It’s pretty obvious what will happen, but 2020 might have another surprise for us mortals.

[Roundy]

Fine, almost officially.

[Lord Dave]

Fine, almost officially.

Just another month ish.

[Crudblud]

I have a couple of questions for people more versed in the minute detail of the US democratic process than I. Could unpledged/faithless electors give Trump the win? Also why is the EC so amazingly retarded as to permit electors to vote contrary to the state they're supposed to represent?

[Rama Set]

I have a couple of questions for people more versed in the minute detail of the US democratic process than I. Could unpledged/faithless electors give Trump the win? Also why is the EC so amazingly retarded as to permit electors to vote contrary to the state they're supposed to represent?

It’s theoretically possible but it would amount to a constructional crisis and fundamental breakdown of their democratic process. If that happened I would expect things to get extremely ugly. The key swing states have already made statements pledging that such an eventuality is not conceivable for them.

EDIT: There are also states with laws against faithless electors. PA and Georgia notably don’t.

[Roundy]

That's my understanding, technically it can happen but there's no real reason to think it will, and to be fair it would require a hell of a turnover since 36 electors would have to flip to give Trump the win.

On the other hand there were two electors who did flip in the last election, actually giving Trump only 304 electors, so I suppose anything is possible.

[crutonius]

I have a couple of questions for people more versed in the minute detail of the US democratic process than I. Could unpledged/faithless electors give Trump the win? Also why is the EC so amazingly retarded as to permit electors to vote contrary to the state they're supposed to represent?

Going by a strict reading of the Constitution, yes.  Our votes for the president are just sort of a recommendation.  Technically Mike Bloomberg could have just bribed each member of the electoral college with 10 million a piece to make him president. 

I believe there are penalties against faithless voters but I don't think they're actually prevented from faithless voting.

To answer your second question, everyone knows it's ridiculous.  But the system works very well as affirmative action for republicans so they're loathe to change it.

[Tom Bishop]

Someone should tell Joe that according to Congressional intent and precedent set by President Clinton, that there there is no apparent President-Elect as of today.

https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/release/hice-gsa-administrator-must-adhere-to-constitution-past-precedent-in-determining-president-elect/

[stack]

Someone should tell Joe that according to Congressional intent and precedent set by President Clinton, that there there is no apparent President-Elect as of today.

https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/release/hice-gsa-administrator-must-adhere-to-constitution-past-precedent-in-determining-president-elect/

Biden Did Not Invent the ‘Office of President-Elect’
Quick Take
Social media posts falsely claim that former Vice President Joe Biden “invented the Office of President-elect.” Donald Trump and Barack Obama also used the term during their transitions to the presidency.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/biden-did-not-invent-the-office-of-president-elect/

[Tom Bishop]

There is such a thing as a President-Elect. Joe Biden just isn't it.

https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Letter-to-GSA-re-Transition-final-11.13.20-1.pdf